Anti Tank Weapons

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>>32447033
Put a faster missile behind it.

A two-part explosion would do it. An initial charge of aluminum fibers to blind the radar and secondary thats the actual charge.

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One counter can be sniping the radar sensors on the tank before engaging it with HEAA warheads. Without the radars, the APS will not be able to act.

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>>32447061
The newer Trophy system on the Merkava tanks can counter multiple missiles at once.

>>32447033
Chuck missiles at the tank until the APS can no longer keep up, or use small, fast, difficult to affect to any useful degree AT weapons such as extremely fast moving long-rod penetrators.
Basically, either human waves; or smaller, faster projectiles.

>>32447033
Perhaps clusters of smaller missiles or just increasing the velocity of the projectiles. Or maybe as one anon said, missiles with inbuilt counter measures, that maybe deploy chaff. Maybe higher angles of attack aswell. Most current APS only protect a limited arc on the side of the vehicle so top-attacking from a great enough altitude over the vehicle may still work. Maybe even missiles with inbuilt radar dazzlers/jammers that blind sensors as they fly in?

That's all I could think of.

Put moar ERA

>>32450878
What if we make an APS where instead of EFP we put in ERA, a missile is approaching so we launch an ERA towards it.

Decoy rockets? They wouldn't even have to be well done. Something that fired a few decoy rockets in fast succession before the real one was launched out of the tube?

>>32450946
What if we put ERA on the missiles?

>>32450946
>Shoot a second time on the same spot
>what do ?

>>32451029
What if we put APS on the ERA on the missile ?

>>32447033

They also work against multiples at the same time

You have to go back to AT guns

Really big IED.

There is that picture floating around of a tanks treads devouring a miles worth of Barbed wire and choking on it

Bombs.

Good luck having your active protection stop a 500 lbs JDAM fucking your world up, let alone a 2000 lbs JDAM. Crew might live, which is awesome, but tank will be done for.

There's various electronic things that could be done as well to fuck over the system. Hard noise jamming wouldn't do it but there's advanced systems out there that hamper close in targeting.

>>32447033

APFSDS recoiless rifles.

>>32447033

Shoot something at the AP system that it can't detect or isn't equipped to defeat.

What about dual rockets. First one is designed to spray frag everywhere in the tanks direction as it is intercepted destroying APS sensors. Second one is delayed half a second and has conventional tandem HEAT.

>>32451149

That only works against third worlders that won't have APS on their tanks anyway

Against first worlders your planes will be fighting the enemy airforce and SAM systems

>>32451151

Too much velocity loss

Hypersonic rockets with a solid head would work, but you'll only be good for the weak areas (better than nothing, of course)

>>32451184

Possible

A claymore-effect that's triggered by detonation (when it's intercepted) could damage the APS enough

>>32451195
That's true, but fighters aren't going to be deterred as much as a large aircraft. Can still defeat systems like SA-20 with certain techniques and JDAMs lofted from 20k' have a nice range.

Wouldn't be able to bomb tanks on day 1 of course, would take some time to knock the IADS out to be effective. Russian SAMs scare me.

>>32451210
Could do a rocket-propelled pure kinetic kill weapon, pretty much a long rod on a break away rocket that leaves the projectile a small, hard to deflect target closing with extreme speed.

The flaw of course is that you'd need a large rocket and plenty of space to speed up.

In the end, it might again be the time of the big gun.

>>32451239
Longer range point defense systems could easily intercept bombs falling at terminal velocity.

>>32451324
The US built this already then stupidly cancelled it before APS was common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiojguQy8pI

>>32451330
Yes they could. The whole warfare thing becomes so complicated when you add in the electronic attack element though. Deception jamming could screw up any point defense system with it being a close range thing.

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>>32447093
There's a big difference between stopping 6 missiles at Mach 1 and stopping 1 missile at Mach 6.

>>32451037
Put more ERA

>>32447033
Coaxial Vulcan cannon. Time your APFSDS so it arrives right in the middle of a 50 round burst. Good luck shooting all that shit down.

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>>32447033
>How can a shaped charge be designed to counter an active protection system?

>Have it come with a sniper team firing anti-materiel rifle (AMR) to blind the tanks opto-electronics

>have the warhead have a pre-precursor charge that spreads a massive dust/smoke cover before it is in range of the APSs thus blinding it.

>have the pre-precursor charge be a massive, ultra fast (HEAT explosions propagate at up to and past Mach 20) propagating HESH-type warhead that blows the opto-electronics off the tank itself

>>32447033
Shaped charge launched out of a tube buried in the ground.

>>32452102
ERA has a tendency to blow off ERA next to or around it

>>32452367
Maybe if it's shitty backwards American ERA.

What if the HEAT warhead on the ATGM was replaced by an EFP that detonates before the APS reacts?

>>32447033
something that throws EFP charges into its proximity, have them detonate outside of the APS hardkill range.

>>32452413
yes sergi, if you say so sergi

-Drop a really big rock on it
-Throw grenades down the hatch
-Force it near a parking garage or similar structure and collapse it on top of the tank
-Use a crane and shove it somewhere else
-Drop it into water with the same crane
-Cover it and the surrounding area with napalm and burn the crew out/starve it of oxygen
-Feed barbed wire into its tracks
-Throw strong acid all over the electronics and external junk
-Grenade in exhaust pipe
-Dummy warhead filled with steel powder/low explosive a la flash powder to disorient the system, then a regular tandem charge rocket a quarter second behind

source: zero military experience and autism

Some ATGMs like the BGM-71F TOW variant use top attack EFPs to attack a tank while passing over it.

Is that more effective against APS equipped tanks? Or can they deal with it.

>>32453639
>Throw grenades down the hatch

>infantry approach tank
>engineers leave in manual "APS test fire" button just-be-fucking cause
>infantry on tank
>./APS_debug_fire.o -chmod 777
>raining grunts for days

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>>32452565
Show me American ERA that remains in place after detonation and cuts effective APFSDS penetration ability by 1/5th, Eugene.

>>32447074
>sniping the radar sensors
would this not alert the crew to the possibility of an imminent attack causing them to act accordingly?

>>32447093
Trophy on Merkava's consists of two "launchers" that fire MEFP and have 3 shots each.

>>32453715
Image not related against modern APFSDS.

>>32454125
Actually, it's mroeso that instead of making self limiting, they instead put it in a box to limit the chance of fratricide.

Should be easy, use decoys, have double-barreled ATGMs, one that fires small guided rockets and one that fires the actual ATGM.

>>32451210
Better tank is best anti tank weapon

>>32451324
Kinetic missiles are stupid. They'll always have much less velocity than guns, thus having much less penetration. If you are considering using kinetic missiles, just get a gun ffs. Best anti tank weapon is another tank.