357 sig

>>32431074
I've gotten conflicting answers really, some say it's okay, some say it's shit. the only objective negative I've really heard is the price, which is absolutely true.

>>32431079
also nerve damage

>>32431079
i've considering getting one as a carry gun but haven't heard much about it.

>>32431074
Might as well 9x25 dillon, for the price, if the guns where there as much, anyways.

>>32431115
This

357 sig is 9x25 dillon lite

357 sig is easier to find, 9x25 is basically unobtanium

from what i've read up on it seems like it is a really good round besides large muzzle blast and snappy recoil.

>>32431074
It would be a great round but no one uses it so truns to complete shit.

I think it would have been more widely accepted if it didn't have a company's name on it.

>>32431074
Nah, use .38 super or .40 S&W instead.

>>32431197
>if it didn't have a company's name on it
are you 100 kinds of retarded?
>45 automatic colt pistol
>380 automatic colt pistol
>38 S&W special
>308 winchester
>30-30 winchester
>40 S&W
>223 reminton
>270 winchester
>6.8 remington SPC
>.300 AAC blackout

>>32431338
>40 S&W
literally the most milquetoast of all handgun rounds with the weaknesses of both 9x19 and .45 and the strengths of neither

>>32431074
it's a great round
I carry a P229 in 357SIG and it performs flawlessly
Objective pros:
>bottlenecked case feeds more reliably
>more penetration and higher KE and p than 9x19 para
>higher pressure round than both .40 and 9mm
Subjective pros:
>higher penetration than both 9x19 and .40
>high power even in short barrels thanks to high pressure
Objective cons:
>lower capacity than 9mm while still firing a 9mm diameter bullet
>subsonics defeat the purpose of the round
Subjective cons:
>price

>>32431074
I don't like it. Has really high velocity and ft/lb impact though.

>>32433162
>literally the most milquetoast of all handgun rounds with the weaknesses of both 9x19 and .45 and the strengths of neither

>"my knowledge of handguns is based completely on fuddlore."

>>32431074
>is the 357 sig a meme or is it legit?

It performs well, but like the 10mm, it's still just a novelty round and will stay that way without more support for it.

its a good round, but out of a subcompact its kind of pointless

>>32433337
More support comes with more users. And more users won't come without support. It's a vicious cycle.

Also:

http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/happened-357-sig/

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>>32431115
>>32431135

The 9x25 Dillon is basically unobtanium because it’s an impractical cartridge that has a retardedly huge muzzle blast and which is based on an already limited production cartridge that is chambered in only a handful of pistols to being with.

>>32433331
>muh fawty
>muh knowledge is based on niggerlore

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Fighting over handgun calibers is like fighting over beer brands.

No matter which one you think is the "best", they still all taste like piss and get you drunk.

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>>32431151
I like it. To me, the recoil is like punching your hand. No crazy muzzle flip. Recoil not much different than .45 acp.

>>32433162
>".40 is a meme"
>in a thread about .357 sig

Clearly the FBI isn't as smart as you, anon.

>>32434658
They should talk to the secret service.

>>32434658
Yeah that's why they're switching back to 9mm and buying Glock 19s right? Where did you think the high availability of fawty came from.

>>32434658
>FBI
>"muh 10mm is too hot for female agents so give us 10mm but weaker"

>shoot .40
>everything goes fine

Yawn

>>32434641
Grow up college kid, lrn2beer.

Don't listen to /k/ when it comes to novelty shit. The sig round had a direct purpose and fulfilled it masterfully. /k/ is full of turbo retardshit autists who get info from video games so they like to look at things like a popularity contest, just like women do with purses.

Don't be a women. Don't be like /k/.
357sig is a great round with lots of potential. Even the light loads start at 1250fps, but unlike a lot of other high fps rounds come in purpose made defense rounds like Speer gold dot. If there's a clear advantage the sig has over bottlenecked rounds, its that.

Speed is a good thing, but since most bottlenecked rounds are small production, most bullet developers wont waste marketing for them. But high fps+a round that actually transfers it into velocity reduction = higher likelihood that whatever is being shot at will stop doing whatever the fuck it is its doing.

Price has really fallen A LOT in the past 4 years. It used to be $40/box. I get it for a couple of my pistols under $17 box now. I'm not sure what caused the drop, though I think it had a pot to do with sandy hook. After not being able to smith food many people finally gave it some attention. Or at least that's my theory.

>>32434127
You reload it.

After all, it has a huge reloading brand right in the name.

I cant see anyone owning a handgun chambered in Dillon who wouldn't reload for it.

>>32435195
>Thinking 10mm is practical carry ammo
>Top kekington

>>32434641
>He's never had a good Kolsch
Nah, you're just a retard who buys mass produced shit.

>>32435765
>thinking .40 has any practical advantage over 10mm in terms of carry
I bet you think .38 +P is comparable to .357 magnum and .380 is better for CC than 9mm para

>>32435793
Mah nigga, Kolsch is god tier. I get a growler of it at any possible opportunity.

>>32435622
t. SIG Sauer employee

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>>32435179
No they aren't that's fake news.

>>32434141
>spoonfeed me daddy

Son, typical loads put the power of the .40 closer to that of a .45 and capacity closer to a 9mm.

>>32431115
now this is podracing

>>32433333

>>32437971
>Lets confirm or deny this statement
.40 S&W, 180gr max load 1050fps, 440 ft/lb
.45 ACP, 185gr max load 1050fps, 450 ft/lb
9mm, 115gr, max load 1240fps, 390 ft/lb
.357 sig, 115gr max load 1510fps, 580 ft/lb
10mm, 180gr max load 1210fps, 585 ft/lb

Looks like a true statement.

>Source: Lyman's 50th

>>32431338
357 sig is more common than 38 super
It also fits in short frame pistols and has better performance

>>32431097
I like mine. It shoots flat and has a snappy but manageable recoil. Very accurate

Delivers a bit more penetration and a lot wider wound vector when fired at ballistics gel.

Its my winter carry.

>>32438411
That's top end 357 sig and low to mid end 10mm

Also this stuff probably doesn't effectively mean much in terms of terminal ballistics since these will all expand and do roughly the same with the exception that 10mm can be loaded hot for true magnum performance. 40 Cal and 45 Cal bullets do perform better against barriers like windshields though

>>32431074
It's very legit, it's just comparatively expensive and harder to find.

Beats the pants off 40S&W for sure. Think of it as a 9mm +P++ that isn't risking your gun.

>>32438715
357 sig is issued for the purpose of punching through barriers, such as heavy truck doors and windshields.

It has superior barrier penetration to every other common service caliber.

>>32438715
No, it's max load 10mm. I suppose you could shoot some 10mm +P, but that's a different goal post.

All of those loads are also the highest energy for their respective caliber available in my reference book.

>>32438777
This is true, if you have a heavy bullet weight.

A smaller hole with a heavier bullet will attain better barrier penetration. Although, I wouldn't expect .40S&W to beat .357 sig anyway, since it is a much lower energy round.

>>32438752
>harder to find
If you aren't shooting 9mm or .40, start reloading.

>>32438792
Velocity kills steel.

A bonded 125gr bullet at 1350-1500fps will do everything you need a bullet to do in relation to car doors and auto glass.

>>32438804
I don't doubt it. I'd be more worried about deflection through heavier barriers, but I also wouldn't be too worried.

>>32438778
No, it's not, top end 10mm is closer to the original Norma loads and there isn't really 10mm +p

>>32438777
>>32438792
>>32438804
>>32438827
Docgkr:
"Is the 357 Sig bad? NO! It is a very reliably performing 9mm bullet, but it is does not offer significantly better terminal performance compared with the best current 9mm ammunition. When firing through heavy clothing, automotive steel panels, automobile windshield glass, interior wall segments, exterior wall segments, and plywood, both the 357 Sig Speer 125 gr JHP Gold Dot and 9mm Speer 124 gr +P JHP Gold Dot exhibited nearly identical penetration and expansion results THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT BARRIERS, as demonstrated by both our testing and that of the FBI. Most 357 Sig loadings, unless the fail to expand, do not offer excessive penetration; in fact, the exact opposite, under-penetration, can be a problem. Several .40 S&W and .45 ACP loads offered superior terminal performance through barriers compared to the 9mm and 357 Sig loads."

http://www.lightfighter.net/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-357sig

check em

>>32431074
It's not worth the money.

>>32439204
Hmmm I stand corrected, I guess my reference is underloaded on 10mm.

Father has one in a P239,
It's a good round ballistically... but is not easy to find and expensive when found, so when you have it you don't practice too much with it... so yeah for my carry needs I would rather go 9mm instead. Cheaper and more ammo availability to practice with. Others go .40, but I prefer 9mm

>ib4 lol only 9mm

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>>32431074

Legit. I'd carry every single defensive handgun I have in it if I could.

>mfw when no USP tactical in 357 sig

>>32431079
An Ffl friend of mine said it was his experience that it beats guns to death, even those designed for it. On paper, its halfway between 9x19 and 9x25. Performance wise that is.

>>32431074
It's great for revolvers

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>>32438715
A 10mm IS a .40 cal bullet.

Whatchu talking bout.

>>32437971
>it's another episode of 40S&W

>stopping power is a myth
>9mm has better capacity
>why use a .40 when i could get a 10mm
>why use 10mm when 9mm makes everything else shit in comparison

>>32442981
>why use 10mm when 9mm makes everything else shit in comparison
This one isn't true.

bmiop

>>32442912
>>32442930
Are you really gonna just come in here with your low quality bait?

>>32431074
Get 9x23 Winchester.

>>32431197
Secret Service uses it.

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>>32438411
Who the fuck carries anything but 147gr for 9mm? You people scare me