Best .357 automatic handgun for self defense carry?

Stupid meme gun, even more stupid carry gun

>>32428304
Thanks for that elaborate and well thought out reply.

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>>32428278

>>32428313
So you have a brain? It's easy to see both of those are true
>Rimmed cartridges in an autoloading magazine fed gun
Asking for problems, especially for a carry gun when you should expect it to work 100% of the time every single time you may need it. If you want a .357 carry gun get something with a 3 or 4 inch barrel, or just settle for .38+p from a snub
>Wanting to concealed carry a heavy all steel big (bigger than a normal old 1911) gun
Do you understand how "weight" works? Do you understand you'll be carrying that thing concealed on your person for hours at a time? Do you understand how uncomfortable that will get? And for what, 8 rounds? Carry a Glock 17 or similarly sized polymer pistol and get 16 rounds of 9mm (+P if you're really concerned about 9mm not being "deadly" enough (Protip: it is)) in a lighter less bulky gun. Or, you could do what literally everybody else who carries does and carry a light little subcompact or compact pistol and not have to worry about it printing or being heavy or huge. There's a reading why they exist and are as popular as they are

Might as well just carry >>32428380 by your logic.

>>32428278
Just look for something in 10mm auto. You should readily be able to find a load that replicates .357 mag ballistics without trying to deal with loading a rimmed case into a straight box mag.

>>32428278
>.357 automatic handgun instead of 10mm or .45
Why? It's a revolver cartridge, it belongs in revolvers.

>>32428402
With all due respect, I am used to carrying heavy when it comes to self defense. The weight isn't an issue for me. I asked for suggestions not why it wouldn't work in your opinion.

>>32428441
>>32428442
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>>32428457
If weight isn't a relevant concern for you, get a revolver in .45-70 gov't or 12ga. Then there's no possibility of feeding issues and you're all but guaranteed to incapacitate your target in one hit.

>>32428457
>I am determined to be retarded so please help me

>>32428492
>My opinion differs from yours hence you are retarded.
Yea, thanks again for the stellar recommendation.

>>32428489
I assume you mean the thunder 45-70?

>>32428504
shitty answers to a shitty question m8

>>32428457
>I asked for suggestions not why it wouldn't work in your opinion.
It isn't opinion, it's fucking fact. Have fun with your fucking three pound gun being concealed on your hip

Again, by your logic carry a Deagle. Weight and size isn't an issue on concealed carry apparently so why sell yourself short? Hell just carry a S&W 500 of weight and size isn't an issue

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Just carry hollow point 9mm with pure nicotine in the void in the bullet.

t. Breivik

p.s. please don't shoot my dog, ATF.

>>32428278
There are .357 automatics but seriously, if you want .357 get a fucking revolver.

When it comes to revolver ammunition there's multitude of different loads on the market so you end up like this >>32428380 which gets a false cred of being super-unreliable because unsurprisingly enough it only cycles specific range of loads which most people don't use for their range toys. So they get few jams and think it's gun's fault. However, you don't want a gun that won't like some ammo as a self-defence option, so instead either get 10mm Auto, it's not as powerful as .357 but it's close.

>>32428551
>instead either get 10mm Auto, it's not as powerful as .357 but it's close.
without that either

>>32428543
Coonan works fine both on feeding and cycling. Using the Deagle cop out just shows you're vindictive and starting arguments just for the sake of it.

Just CC an AR pistol with a brace OP

>>32428578
Already tried that, not that concealable as it turns out.

>>32428551
Yea I guess a revolver would be the best option for .357 in the end but I'm just exploring options. I'm 6'4/245 so people automatically assuming the weight is a deal breaker just put their own manletness into play.

Thanks for the legit reply.

>>32428623
It has nothing to do with anything about weight vs your size

>>32428675
I'm sure it doesn't. A 5''8 carrying a heavy gun is exactly the same as me.

just get a regular 1911 and run .45 super through it with heavier springs

+P would be more than adequate

>>32428700
The point everyone is trying to make is that if you're okay with carrying a heavy gun, carry something else. What exactly is your complaint against the .50 Desert Eagle that the Coonan .357 does better?

>>32428402
>Do you understand how "weight" works?
I'm amazed that anyone cries about carrying anything less than 5lbs. Are you a child?

> Carry a Glock 17 or similarly sized polymer pistol and get 16 rounds of 9mm
Learn how to shoot.

> you should expect it to work 100% of the time every single time you may need it
I have not seen any question about this platform's reliability.

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>>32428442
>no pistol rounds in a rifle!

I've shot a Coonan and it was a ton of fun, but it's a ridiculous carry gun.

>>32428838
Deagles are fucking huge. The point of a Coonan is hi power/ velocity in a slim 1911 package.

>>32428582
Were you using a concealable, lightweight build?

10mm is actually more powerful than .357.

Remember .357 inches is equal to 9 millimeters. A 10mm bullet is bigger and can pack more of a punch with than .357.

>>32428977


get a .38 super you fucking doofus

>>32428380
Don't they only offer the .50ae desert eagles in gold plating?

>>32429033
Congratulations, you drank the same kind of fuddlore-flavored Kool-Aid that causes people to think that .45 ACP is way more powerful than 9mm.

Compare the muzzle energy graphs on Ballistics By the Inch for .357 Mag and 10mm. Any of the .357 Mag loads have around 100 ft/lbs more muzzle energy than their equivalent 10mm loads assuming identical barrel lengths.

Just carry a Judge.

>>32428278
This thread is a breeding ground for retardation
>357 sig

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>>32428278

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>>32429047
>I don't give a fuck about what other people like

If you're dead set on .357 Magnum, just get a TRR8. No problems cycling any load, even .38 Special, 8 rounds, and lightweight. Much better instead of carrying a $1500+ automatic that might have trouble cycling some weaker loads.

>>32429033
10mm out of a semi on it's best day is a decent .357 loading.

A good .357 coming out of a decent barrel length is superior to 10mm every day of the week.

There was some site a few years ago that had a bunch of autopsy results while pretty much everything came down to 'shot placement' there was one outlier - .357 Magnum was killing a lot of people it hit.

>>32429148
Bullshit. Straight up bullshit. 10mm hot loads blow .357 hot loads out of the water.

>>32429418
>No problems cycling any load, even .38 Special,
wow a 357 revolver that can cycle 38 special thats so cool and rare

>>32429627
Yeah, that or get a special snowflake 1911 that can't use anything but hot .357 loads.

>>32429480
10mm can have energies ranging from 420 ft/lbs to 770 ft/lbs but typically is in the 650 ft/lbs and up range.

.357 can deliver energy in the same range but typically is in the 550 and up range.

>>32429672
fuck you dumb fuck

>>32429602
Do you have any actual evidence to support your claim?

Because

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/357mag.html
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/10mm.html

contradicts what you are saying and is corroborated by other sources.

10mm and .357 are literally the same round if magically fired from the same pistol

Theyre both in the range of "pistols you won't realistically get all shots on target with rapidly in a SD scenario but this ballistic gel video i saw says it'll definitely kill a man so i trust it"

i'll take 15 rounds of 9mm accurately into target over 6-15 rounds of 10mm/.357 slower any day

yes i own 2 10mms, no I would never carry either for self defense. it's unecessary. I've shot at people in combat with and seen people killed with 9mm plenty fast and i've got no doubts about the ability of the round.

comes down to personal preference I guess, it's alot more about what makes you feel safer and almost nothing to do with your execution in a SD situation.

>>32429672
Depends where you're looking. Of course people can hot load 10mm over .357, but you're at a higher risk of damaging your gun.

.357 can be in the same range as you listed, but there are just as many 740-ish ft/lbs as their are 550 ft/lbs in load outs, and .357mag can top 800 ft/lbs in some loadings.

>>32429090
i think you can get them in 44 magnum too

>>32429659 see >>32429328 pic related

>>32429737
Those graphs show that 10mm is better out of pistol barrels. This, combined with 10mm's higher reliability and capacity, make it a superior round for self defense.

>>32429824
Are we looking at the same graphs? It shows that the majority of 10mm loads out of a 4 inch barrel average 550 ft/lbs of muzzle energy, while the majority of .357 Magnum loads out of a 4 inch barrel average 650 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.

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>>32429672
>420 ft/lbs

>>32428545
That works? Can you get into more shit for poisoning bullets?

>>32428278
Please prove your meme that surviving attackers have a reasonable higher chance of winning a lawsuit compared to a dead attackers family.

I think .357 automatics are cool but if you're actually looking for something defensive just get a fucking 10mm auto.

>>32429875
i mean, shooting someone with a "poison bullet" could probably turn a justified self-defense kill into premeditated homicide charge if the DA has a competent lawyer

>>32429875
Literally and specifically outlawed by the Geneva conventions.

Get a gun in .45 Super and prepare to pay out the ass for ammo.

Cartridge is the same size as .45ACP but way hotter.

>>32428929
>heavy handgun
>good

>>32430273
Good thing he's not a signatory of them. Seriously, they only apply to the signatories using them against each other's uniformed combatants.

>>32429824
>combined with 10mm's higher reliability
aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

No.

>>32428380

>Giggle brand Diggle

Very finicky gas system. If it gets clogged with crap or worse metallic shavings it's fucked.

>>32432394
Only happens with unjacketed ammo.

>>32428278
Dont listen to these faggots, my lgs is a coonan dealer, these guns are superb quality and as far as ive ever seen fully reliable.

The faggots that will bitch about this as a cc choice are the same that say revolvers are obsolete l, which of course is completely untrue.

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