IS THAT A FAMAS???

>Are the French right to replace the Famas?
Definitely, that thing is old as fuck and every attempt to modernize it has been marred by poor distribution (generally due to lack of funds) or just being shit (like the latest one with the wiimote for a foregrip that links into a smart optic that was issued to a grand total of nobody.). They haven't even produce replacement parts in over a decade.
Whether the 416 is a sound choice is another question entirely.
>Standard 5.56 rounds won't fragment if they're slower than 750 meters per second, and they reach that point at about 200 metres.
Pretty sure this was only the case for SBRs in the cold war, different loads and barrel twists have improved them in the last 20 odd years.

>>32424187
I guess I can see how different rifling could help it fragment better. It won't fragment unless it yaws, and it has an 80% chance of doing so before 200 metres, where it plummets to "don't count on it."
Am I correct in saying the rifling twist is slower than before? Because that may hinder accuracy a little, but it would be good for the yaw and fragment probability.

>>32424157
>Are the French right to replace the Famas?
Yes, it's fucking atrocious by modern standards, it can't even shoot normal 5.56x45mm ammo without chewing the shit out of the brass, causing extraction and ejection problems, not to talk about the bores being 1:12 twist.

They simply don't have the logistics to use it anymore, they HAVE to replace it now.

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>>32424676
>Yes, it's fucking atrocious by modern standards, it can't even shoot normal 5.56x45mm ammo without chewing the shit out of the brass, causing extraction and ejection problems
This meme again, pic related and link related on the ammunition, they fixed the brass tearing with buffers. They stopped issuing F1A, F2 and F2A a loooon time ago
>https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/french-m193-with-gmcs/7564/9
>not to talk about the bores being 1:12 twist
The G2 fixed that problem, too bad the French are a bunch of poor fags that the other branches couldn't replace it

>>32424906
>the French are a bunch of poor fags that the other branches couldn't replace it
And years later, they buy HK.
Puzzling.

>>32424976
Its more economical to drop a lot of cash on a car from 2015 that will last you till 2025 than to spend a medium amount of cash every year to keep a car from 1986 running.

>>32424157
>Piston AR
One failure to another. Good job, France.

France has their own 5.56 load whose performance I don't know.

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>>32424157
I'm not so sure...

>>32424157
Yes.

>>32424157

It's meters not metres. The correct measurement of velocity is feet per second. Oh europoor....you so funny

>>32425379
>feet per second
That's retarded
I count in dicks per second so I only need to count to four, which is the number that fits in your mom

If they do it I'll join the FFL.

My main reason for not trying yet is the shit gear they issue.

>>32425542
You and every other LARPING high school kid.

>>32424157
>Standard 5.56 rounds won't fragment if they're slower than 750 metres per second, and they reach that point at about 200 metres. Average engagement range is 300 or less.
Fragmenting bullets are no go for eurocucks anyway.

>>32425542
The FFL will be the very last regiments to get it though

>No it's not, but the french are considering replacing the Famas with this
>the french are considering replacing the Famas with this
>considering.

Surprise : it's already done.

The HK416 won the competition, the F version is in production for France, the first rifles will arrive in 2017. Several french SOF units already use the HK416 A2 and A5. Actually they have been using it for at least 7 years.

>>32425581
KEK

>>32425004
>t. Bitter faggot that can't afford a good piston ar.

>>32425581
Lmao.

TRUTH.

>>32429134
There's no such thing.

>>32425004
Eh, it'll work, the HK416 IS well made, that can't be disputed.

It however doesn't have all the strengths of a normal AR.

>>32429134
There really isn't a good reason to make an AR use a piston over proper gas-expansion.

>inb4 .gif from H&K marketing material showing how the action DOESN'T operate

>>32429525
Sure there is, the Ruger SR556 and the H&K HK416 are both quite good.
Thing is that it's because they're just well made, they would still be just as good (if not a little better), if made with the regular gas system.

>>32430177
>Sure there is
No, there isn't. There's no way to get around it unless they change the bolt carrier, upper receiver, and bolt designs.

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>>32424157
>Not F2000.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32430212
The HK416 does work though, as does the SR556.

>>32430407
Sure it works, but it will eat bolts quicker than a real AR.

>>32430222
I hate that muzzle device tho

Also nice digits

>>32430422
No it doesn't. When will this meme die? There have been countless tests conducted by countless militaries including the US's where it's been ascertained that the HK416 has a far superior parts durability than the stock M4A1 used by the Army, which is why it's so more expensive.

>>32430561
Ok, produce them.

>>32424256
Heavier bullets. 77 grain MK262 MOD 1, 62 gr xm855, etc

>>32430571
Why the hell should I? HK already does it and it's swimming in cash thanks to their brilliant marketing campaign to demonize Stoner's impingement gas system. Just because several other companies have screwed the pooch when trying to introduce a piston operated system to the AR-15 project doesn't mean all of conversions are shit. One of the reasons the 416 is so damn expensive is exactly because it uses far more durable parts to compensate for that added structural stress.

>>32430571
Btw, I'm not disputing the fact that you could build a SF God tier Stoner Impingement AR-15 with all the money you'd spend on a 416, cause you can.

>>32430597
>Why the hell should I?
Because you claimed they existed, moron.
>HK already does it and it's swimming in cash thanks to their brilliant marketing campaign to demonize Stoner's impingement gas system.
I don't care what HK marketing says.
>Just because several other companies have screwed the pooch when trying to introduce a piston operated system to the AR-15 project doesn't mean all of conversions are shit
It does mean that. The AR-15 design is basically inseparable from the Stoner gas system. Overbuilding the rifle just to improve longevity because of the design flaw is not the way to go about it.

>>32430222

Probably because as a military rifle it's shit.

>>32430619
>It does mean that. The AR-15 design is basically inseparable from the Stoner gas system. Overbuilding the rifle just to improve longevity because of the design flaw is not the way to go about it.
So the 416 is durable as fuck, immensely reliable, easy to take apart and clean, as reported by Marines issued with the M27 it's also more accurate. Why is it a shit conversion? Is it because it costs much as a kidney?

>>32424157
>are the french right to replace the FAMAS
Its a mediocre gun that can't run NATO-spec ammo. It Also doesn't play well with modern tacticool tech.
>whats with the trend in SBR ARs
Personally, they look aesthetic.

>>32430561
>which is why it's so more expensive
A lot of that expense comes from development costs of making a functional and reliable piston action, as well as it's production.

Believe me, it's absolutely possible to make a rifle which is just as good with the classic gas system, while being cheaper and lighter.

>>32430669
Wut.
>Reliable as fuck.
>Easy to strip.
>Runs any ammo.
>Accurate.
>Comfy as fuck.
>THICC.

>>32430750
>NATO-spec ammo
No such thing.

>>32430805
>Reliable as fuck.

Lol. Having to carry around spare parts for your gun because they break too often does not mean reliable.

>>32424996
Wrong

>>32430883
Lol good luck memorizing a meme when your gun jams.
>AR15 SPOR...
>F2000 LOL blam!

>>32429134
in regular ar, the bolt is the piston you double eurotrash

>>32432626
The bolt is not the piston. The carrier is more like the piston. The bolt itself would be the gas block.

>>32430709
> more accurate
>what a dope

>>32432640
The bolt forms a stationary piston while the bcg is the cylinder.

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>>32424157
>tfw the santa hat stops the ATF from noticing you illegally put a stock on your AR pistol

>>32432660
I could see how you'd think like that but it's retarded.

>>32432683
That is literally how it's described by the designing engineer in the patent.

>>32432735
Then he misspoke because a piston is by definition a moving part.

Did someone screencap the thread where a frog detailled all the special modifications the 416F will have? It was interesting.