/ktg/ #65 Knife Thread General

Fuck. I apologize for the shitty watermarks/stock image. I'm on mobile and it's late where I am so I'm tired as fuck and obviously I can't brain.

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>>32422733
My wife got me this for Christmas. Is it good?

ordered some O-1 bar stock
the COD generation convinced all the knoifemakers that only tacticool bullshit sells, so i'm gonna make my own knoife

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>>32422843
I agree. 1095. Shitty polish, but I use it reg.

>>32422733
how awesome is the kershaw leek?

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>>32422912
Pretty gud fampie.

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Just got an ontario SP-1 as my first serious fixed blade. Did I do good?

>>32422993
you did senpai

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>>32422843
I have a block of lignum vitae laying around, I'm thinking about making a new knife for it.

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Whelp, looks like no one wants to talk about knives at the moment.

>>32422759
>$10 ganzo

It's trash

>>32423733
>I have a block of lignum vitae laying around,

hey it's me your long lost sibling I'm in debt and need one block of lignum vitae plz help

>>32425024
Might as well,whatever I end up making I'm going to hate.

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This Hunting Knife, butschi it comes in january....

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>>32422843
Think that's why I make mostly kitchen and butchers knives and a tiny amount are the odd skinning or bush knife. I know they'll be used, beat on and loved every day as a good tool should.
Plus, it means you're not talking to spergs and other assorted dickheads that want you to make a sword good enough to kill an entire evil ninja clan for $50.

Been working on-off on this sucker for a day or so, run out of low-grit sandpaper and wont have much more done on it until into the new year. Its a nice lump of English made O1 I've been using a lot of lately, bolsters are 304SS. Not real sure on the materials for the handle just yet, have a few types of nice timbers around but its always making that first cut into a block of timber that kind of makes it hard...
>I'm a wood hoarder and I have a problem.

>>32423733
>lignum vitae
Its fucking awesome and takes a really nice lustre to it without anything more than a 1000grit polish.
I found a 3ft long strip of it at a salvage yard I've used in the past, its probably 70-100 years old but its so damn tough they made bearings for submarine prop shafts out the shit, so be prepared to give it a real beating to get into any kind of shape.

>>32425110
Yeah, I made a cut in it once, it promptly told me to fuck off and go away.

>>32425183
Extremely sharp, thin saw blades. A hacksaw will clog up and die, coping or back saw with about 10-15PPI seemed to be the easiest.
Files and rasps for shaping, forget mechanical sanders like a drum or belt, they'll gum up and die. Hand sanding from 150-1000grit will work but be gentle as the more heat and friction it gets the more oil comes out of the timber.

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hey /k/ I'm designing some knives for /tg/ things.

Could you be so kind as to post some Throwing Knives?

Ideally heavier/larger ones- the ones I'm making use the 5e Hand Axe statblock, and ones you could fit a whole bunch of inside one case you put on a belt/bandoleer.

I'm going to base them off something along these lines, but I don't know jack shit about throwing knives so if you've got a better suggestion I'd be glad to hear it.

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+a buck 55 for edc

>>32425270
Thanks. Scroll saw busted blade after blade. My band saw just started burning it. Probably needs a new blade or something.

>>32424961
Man the spydiechef looks like a great cooking knife.i know it's advertised for general EDC, but I would probably use it only for cooking.

>>32422843
Nice. Forge or pattern removal? I want to I just don't have the time or the tools.
>>32422912
Meh-tier. 420HC is a shit tier steel along with the #Cr#MoV series. Spring assist is retarded, it's only there because the cheap washers would make it have shitty action. Blade profile is pretty useful I guess. Overall knife profile is real thin, sorta nice. Ergos are shit. Handle material is shit. Price could be better. I think you'd be better off with a Rat or a basic Dragonfly 2 for a similar price.

>>32425323
If you've got variable speed saws, run it down as slow an rpm as you can, otherwise its time to get sweaty and do it with a coping saw, it'll still beat on your arse though :)
Gluing can be a bit tricky for handles, cyno works as does 24hr epoxy- but it'll tell PVA or anything else to go fuck itself.

What you get though is a timber that'll last decades and its got some very high compressive and flexural qualities, so that can let you make some really fancy stuff with it.

>>32425412
pattern removal. the bar stock is already the thickness i want the knife to be, but i'll use my forge to heat treat

Don't be a Bitch-Made buy a Benchmade

>>32425412

8cr13mov can be fine is it's heat treated properly and you actually do some quality control. It's the latter two that exclude Kershaw and not the steel itself. Spyderco's 8cr13mov is fine.

>>32422733
Considering making a DIY knife in my home forge out of a steel mending plate. I'm just a babby when it comes to steel. How much of an edge will it hold? I'm at least looking for bayonet tier when it comes to holding an edge since I know this isn't proper knife making metal.

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>>32425363

It's truly a GREAT EDC knife because it's the first modern production folder to have the kind of edge geometry you normally only find on customs.

As long as you don't use your EDC knives for anything more strenuous than whittling pine, zip ties, carboard, carpet, rope, clamshell packaging, food prep and the like, the Spydiechef has plenty of edge strength and toughness but it being ~25% thinner behind the edge than a PM2 and ~50%+ thinner behind the edge than all ZTs and most Benchmades means it has incredible cutting performance compared to most production folders.

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Forgot to add my esee 6 and looking at adding a micro tech doc next

>>32426825
Got other thicker knives for that. Both fixed and folder, so that's a non-issue.

>>32426825
How do you think it would fare for skinning?

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Lt Wright Patriot

>>32427056

Ah, well I'm more in the camp of hoping the knife is successful so it encourages Spyderco to make more knives with high performance edge geometries.

It sure beats reprofiling thicker knives by hand on stones or paying for regrinds.

>>32427123

I have no idea, as I've never done any. Sorry.

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Parents gave a pretty great present.
>Wootz steel
>UHC (1.8%)
>68 HRC
>Tensile strength 2500 MPa

>>32425305
A good throwing knife is just a good knife in general.

If you want to be sure you're hitting your target, you could always go for double bladed knife.

Otherwise, just make sure the balance is good. And obviously the heavier it is, the more lethal it's going to be when thrown.

>>32427701
It could do well if it wasn't for that price tag. At that I can get a custom fixed blade chef knife, santoku, or paring knife.

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>>32428124

True, but people seem to have bought the shit out of Slysz's other designs, so hopefully this one will sell like hotcakes as well.

I'm going to have to send a few of my knives out for regrinds soon. A bunch of them would be much more fun to use with an edge geometry similar to the Spydiechef.

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Hey guys, I just got the go ahead from my co that I can carry a blade on me when we do field ops. This is more for allowing us to have blades on us at anytime/ have blades in garrison than it is for actual ops.

So what fixed blade should I get? I don't wanna get a kabar cause that's what every boot gets. I want something that's sharps, stays sharp and will outlive me. Any ideas?

>>32425412
Man, this makes me imagine a Leek with Ti scales, a manual bearing action, and high-end steel. I bet there'd be a market for such a thing.

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>>32429333
Oh shit, I just did some googling and I guess that already kind of exists. It's still AO and seems to be long out of production though.

>>32426825
Like that alot. Wanted one. Maybe next year.

>>32427717
Very nice!

>>32427717

Is that 68 HRC rating independently verified? That would mean they are taking a relatively pure carbon steel to damn near maximum attainable hardness. That would be relevant to my interests.

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Whats the consensus on AK bayonets and how much abuse can they take

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>>32429412

I've been carrying the knife almost continuously since I got it.

Doesn't hurt that LC200n takes really well to a convex microbevel on 16 micron CBN on balsa wood.

>>32425679
That's what I was considering since I don't have a forge, anvil, or smithing hammer and those are all more expensive than a set of metal files, a hacksaw, and a workbench. Still I don't have the time.
>>32426428
Benchmade is Bitchmade, ya dingus. Their QC is horrid and their knives overpriced.
>>32426758
It's still soft outclassed by all of the modern steels. I guess it's okay for a starter but in general just bad in comparison to even lower mid-range steels like VG-10.
>>32429333
It's called the ZT0808 or ZT0450.

>>32429763
Probably not as much as the AK itself. Knives are still pretty limited. Judging by the pic I'd say ergos are shit, blade would be facing up instead of down if mounted and that's shitty, serrations on back would be better if designed differently, and there are a lot of fakes and no real good AK bayonets out there. Even the originals pale in comparison to most good fixed blades these days

>>32429763
steel is pretty soft

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>>32422733
My employer gifted me this as well as a few other things. Really nice people. How is 420 stainless?

>>32429431
It is.

>>32429742
I don't know about the methodology but their website says that the rating is 66-68 HRC. I just noticed that the leaflet that came with the knife says 64-66 HRC, so either they have improved the steel or there's a typo somewhere. 66 HRC would be a safer bet. Also the term Wootz is used loosely here, because Wootz is a historical term. It would be more correct to say that this is a modern interpretation of Wootz. In any case this is an incredible little puukko based on the few hours I've had it. Heimo Roselli is the guy who makes these, if you're interested. He's one of the most respected smiths here in Finland.

Newfag here just got some Christmas gifts and finally have a few knives in my collection that aren't Saks, chinkshit, and fighting knives.

What a the best oil for these qts?

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>>32432094
Forgot pixc

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Some knives of mine (1-?)

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(2-?)

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(3-3)

Disregard the batarang things. They were a gift from the lady.

>>32429306
TOPS BOB. Big handle for glove/large hands. Good steel, can remove the coating if you like that, good Kydex sheath, comes razer sharp. Better than the esee knives just because I go hiking in the winter with gloves and the esee knives handles are too small, I got some big mitts. The only thing I would change is how you strike firesteel, put an edge on the back instead of it being more rounded. I give it a 9/10 and I have bark river knives, condor, and esee. My main knife if I ever require a fixed blade, like hiking hunting camping ect.

>>32432163
Take the trip off. And refrains the edge profile and remove the back pet of your Ontario pilot knife, so it's just the front finger guard. Much easier to use then.

>>32432418
Reprofile* stupid phone

>>32432094
I use raw linseed oil because I'm a woodworker and already have it on hand but it leaves kinda an odd feeling on the metal, boiled will work as well but unless you want lead and cobalt poisoning don't use it near food. Hoppes would work.

>>32432094
Mineral oil- get the food grade stuff

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>>32431793
even worse than most fixed blades? damn. well at like 13 bucks, i imagine its not bad. gotta question the plastic handle though. if anything goes first, i expect itd be that

>>32431814
strangely i got that feeling too

>>32432010
420 is pretty standard for most lower priced folders. Don't take that to mean it's bad though. As long as you sharpen it every month or so it should treat you well

>>32432786
420HC is decent (Leatherman, Buck), 420 regular is a fast sign of cheap garbage with poor heat treats.

>>32432120
If you're going to us it for food, then olive oil or mineral oil is good. If not, then 3 in 1 or wd40 is fine.

>>32422733
what knife is this?

>>32422733
Do they make balisong machete?

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>>32431759
But my wife bought me this and I like it is my first expensive knife

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>>32422733
I'm a practical guy.

>>32431759
>It's still soft outclassed by all of the modern steels. I guess it's okay for a starter but in general just bad in comparison to even lower mid-range steels like VG-10.

No.

In the first case, the notion that cutlery steels can be divided into "low-end" "mid-range"and "premium" is nothing but marketing nonsense.

Each cutlery steel is simply one particular mix of materials properties: Strength, toughness, wear resistance, apex stability, corrosion resistance and ease of heat treating.

It's usually the quality of the heat treatment, quality control, and fitness of the steel for the intended use case of the knife that determine how the blade performs more than the steel choice per se.

A perfect example of this already exists in the knife world. 13c26 is, in the hands of Kershaw, is complete hot steaming underhardened not QC'd garbage, but the very same steel in the form of AEB-L is highly regarded by custom makers and by custom knife buyers as basically a stainless equivalent of 52100 when it is run to 61-63 HRC with a well done heat treatment protocol.

Now, if the only steel property you care about is wear resistance (and that certainly describes a large portion of modern pocket knife buyers), then there are certainly better choices than a steel like 8cr13mov, but not everyone worships that one steel materials property as if it were a God.

>>32432016

I'm not interested in the "wootz" part , I'm interested in a pure carbon steel at what amounts to damn near full martensite hardness (that is, the absolutely max hardness a carbon steel can reach is ~67 HRC and in order to reach it pretty much 100% of the steel has to be converted into martensite during the HT process, with almost zero retained austenite left) This normally cannot be done on a carbon steel without getting into exotic stuff like cryogenics in the HT.

If they actually are achieving ~66 HRC on a pure carbon steel the knife should have close to the maximum possible apex stability, which would very much be relevant to my interests.

>>32433877
If I remember correctly, Juha Perttula is a key person in understanding this steel. I think he either developed it or helped in the process. The goal was to recreate Wootz but with the power of science the steel turned out to be even better. Some blades are labeled UHC Nano instead of UHC Wootz, which is an interesting detail. But yes, this steel is something special. While I'm studying mechanical engineering, I'm not specialized in material science, so I can't give any deeper insight and the manufacturing process is a secret. Roselli's puukkos are expensive but I think you should try them. I don't think you can find many knives with similar steel.

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My parents gave me a 940-1 for Christmas

Is s90v good?

Whats a good cheap bayonet? Im looking at this right now
https://www.amazon.com/Romanian-AK47-Bayonet-1st-Pattern/dp/B00CSWFHVA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482681382&sr=8-1&keywords=AK+bayonet

>>32433745

That's a big lino cutter.

>>32434709
I thought the same.

>>32433877
Knife steels are one of those things which don't really get as much development compared to a lot of other fields of metallurgy- in saying that I think what Roselli's doing is quite interesting from a bladesmith's perspective. Plus he's been doing it for a long time so I'll defer to his experience, but its definitely falling into the more specialist tool properties that value sharpness over anything else. It should/would chip on hard impacts on other hard things and its lateral stability wouldn't be very good either- however! On something short and relatively thick, that as a tool is specifically designed for cutting, it fulfils its job as a tool.
Now, if you lengthen it out by about 8"/20cm or so and still carrying that kind of hardness its a whole different story.

>>32434406
>Is s90v good?
Its sort of a derivative of 420 with added Vanadium to increase its wear resistance a bit more and still maintain its corrosion resistance

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Fresh off the sleigh this morning.

>>32434406
s90v is a great and fantastic steel, it's a last generation "super steel" but is still is fantastic. High vanadium count.

>>32434406

Steels are not inherently good or bad, usually, they are just better suited to certain types of uses rather than others (assuming they are heat treated correctly).

S90v is has extremely high wear resistance and good corrosion resistance at the expense of being quite brittle and having very low apex stability (which is to say it is prone to microscopic chipping in thin sections).

As used in a 940-1, it's a good steel if left at nearly stock edge geometry and run with a fairly coarse (~320 grit) apex finish.

Used that way it will keep slicing soft abrasive materials like cardboard for an absurdly long time before getting dull enough that you MUST sharpen it.

The high vanadium, high chromium steels like s90v tend lost their razor sharpness very quickly (due to the lack of apex stability) but keep their "working sharpness" for an extremely long time in soft abrasive slicing.

>>32434805
>>32434736
>>32434717
Thanks guys. I mainly just cut tape and cardboard so I think it'll be good for me.

>>32434717

Considering that brittle steels like s110v, 121REX and 10V are not starting to be regularly used for pocket knife sized blades, I would be entirely unconcerned about the toughness of a carbon steel at ~66HRC.

I don't even really care about the "wootz" part at all, I'm strictly interested in whether they managed to get a carbon steel to near full martensite hardness properly precisely because it should maximize the ability of the knife to resist microscopic apex chipping or rolling in use, and thus retain its razor sharpness the longest and be easiest to keep touched up between uses.

I already have plenty of knives in steels more suitable for anything more strenuous than whittling wood.

>>32434846
*Now starting to used

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Nothing too special, compared to customs or stuff like sebenza but is damn nice

>>32435033
Nigga the 940 is one of the best pocketknives around and they're not cheap either. Lots of people ITT would probably love to have a 940.

>>32434406
940-2 is better bc s30v is better imo
S90 isnt bad tho ive heard

>>32433616
Bemchmade are overpriced, but designs arent shit like zt, and arent all the same like spyderco

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>>32435056
If I traded mine in for an S30V 940 then I'd get the regular aluminum 940. My dad has one and the anodizing actually becomes really smooth and soft feeling with use. All while holding up really well. He uses his knives hard as fuck and the anodization still looks great, but it's gotten really smooth to the touch.

>>32422759
>purposely evading md5 filters

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>>32435098
The green spacers are so sexy tho

>>32435077
>Bemchmade are overpriced,
no

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>>32422733
Wife bought me pic related. She tried to surprise me with it, but she bought it off Amazon and my phone gets automatic updates from them when a package is shipped. I felt bad that I already knew about it, but she did a great job picking out a new blade for me.

>>32435124
I really liked the full purple titanium spacer on his, but with use the anodizing has worn off a bit and it's not as vibrant a purple as it was. That green looks good. I like the blue on mine.

Just gonna have to be careful I don't use it against anything too hard and chip the blade it seems.

>>32435130
Dont get me wrong, i have no issue paying it, but were there more competition st that price range that were quality, itd def be lower priced. Theres not a better option for edc than oenchmade at that price range unfortunately

>>32427123
I think it would do decently, you dont need a lot of edge stregnth for simple skinning, wouldnt try to go through bones or anything with it, also has a bit shallow of a belly for skinning. This is coming from a knife enthusiasts perspective not a hunters though.

>>32422879
>>32422915
Breddy gud, but it seems like it might need a larger bevel before that sharp edge ending. What thickness? Already Heat-treated?

I'm still new to knives and have been shopping around, when today my gf got me a Kershaw Kuro. What do you guys think? I'm just glad she didn't get me a Gerber since that's what she likes.

>>32434846
Those tool steels generally require a number of specialist heat treatments which don't make them as appealing for smiths to pick up and experiment with and they're starting to wander out of the niche into somewhat 'odd' territory when applied to a blade. They do work well in their industrial applications (dies, presses, sheers etc), backed up by a complex to properly engineer them to the purpose.

As an occasional cutler, I'm entirely concerned with the toughness of my knives at any HRC.
People will use them under the weirdest, oddest ways you can imagine! If the knife breaks, chips, fails in any way- that's my name on the fucker and entirely on my shoulders, despite whatever abnormal stuff the user was doing with it. So there is that safety net that needs to be factored in from the thickness, intended use, edge profiles, ease of sharpening + a bit more for those 'just in case' moments where someone drops it on a tile floor and drop kicks it into a stainless cabinet. If someone wanted a super-high HRC blade for some specialist application, I'd do it, but with none of the usual guarantee of survivability.

In terms of properties, you'd really need to throw it through a lab with a decent set of microscopes to see how the grain structure is and see how much martensitic/austenic formation ended up, then you're going to run a set of tests with consistent pressures, materials and comparative steels side by side.
Which is a lot of trouble to go do for something that's generally not used in an industrial or medical application.

Not knocking tool steels by the way, I use O1 a lot and have used others, but when you start into higher carbon stuff like D2 or even higher, it really comes down to a cost vs effectiveness vs effort and kicking shit uphill for not a huge improvement that the majority of users don't need.

>>32435298
Looking for something for skinning small game honestly
Anything from squirrel and mink to racoons and possibly otter
(Trapper not a hunter)

I should just have a small fixed blade made for me but the guy I know who makes knives uses o1tool steel and I don't think k that'll be the best choice for something I might not Maintain super well

That an he isn't very good at making thin blades ( just a beginner I can't give him Too much shit )
Actually have found alot of custom knife makers make thick knives simply because they haven't ever carried and used a knife on a daily basis

>>32432010
Thanks. Appreciate it.

I'm a butcher so I can sharpen pretty well. Then again that does mean much these days. Idiots with power sharpeners I tell ya.

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Got this knife on Friday. The sheath it comes with is absolute shit so I made my own. My original idea didn't work out so I changed the design a little. Kind of a blade only sheath.

>>32435755
*doesn't not does.

>>32435518

I don't disagree with any of what you wrote, I specifically meant that with respect to *my* intended uses, *I* was entirely unconcerned with the toughness of a pure carbon steel at or near full martensite hardness because *I" wouldn't be doing anything with it that I shouldn't because in my typical EDC uses the benefits of a carbon steel at ~66+ HRC would way outweigh the drawbacks (for me).

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Best gf ever got me best knife of 2017

Spyderco Gayle Bradley Advocate

CPM M4 and Titanium orange peel handle scales. Very beautiful!!!

Merry Christmas/k/ hope you guys are safe and warm.

>>32436143
Nivea, my gf got me a kydex sheath for my esee 6 cause I lost my old one

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Got this Phil Wilson Sprig, going to use it for kitchen duty tonight

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>>32435546

Consider hitting up Loreno Kmives.

He has a good reputation as a fixed blade maker and does reasonably thin grinds in AEB-L, which behaves like a carbon steel in the 52100 or O-1 type vein but is relatively corrosion resistant.

He could probably make you exactly what you want. I actually plan to eventually order something from him myself.

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>>32434709
>big lino cutter
It couldn't do the job, the point is used as a claw and is always blunt. But it has an unmatchable chopping power!
I also have an Opinel, but I never go innawoods without this tool.

>>32435355
1/8" thick
Full flat grind, only second knife to complete, the ricasso is shit. Home heat treat, file skated after scale removal, tempered to dark straw color.

>>32438089
What did you use to drill the holes in the wood? I do some woodworking now and again and notice around the drilled holes there's indentations, usually a sign of repaired tearout.

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What's a decent beginner innawoods knife?

>>32437197
What do his prices look like?
I might just buy a havalon barracuda or another havalon with replaceable blades o won't feel bad about neglecti ng it

>>32435546
>Actually have found alot of custom knife makers make thick knives simply because they haven't ever carried and used a knife on a daily basis

Fucking this exactly. I used to be a "lol 6"+ or go home fag" with knives until I actually used them, this trend of overly built knives is killing me, rarely are knives needed to be over .1", and never above .125, and just use a hatchet and a 4-5" knife.

>collect higher end knives
>Most around $200
>Family gets me a 70 knife for Xmas that would be nice normally
>Already carrying a $220 knife and a $50 baby k ife for around family so they don't get scarred
>Have to pretend I like it
>It's not even sharp
>Maybe can return it not sure yet

Feels bad man I want to like it but it's just something g I wouldn't ever carry or buy for myself

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My Dad got me this for Christmas. Handmade, custom, sharp as fuck damascus steel. Best blade I have ever had.

>>32438443
See I still like larger knives my recent EDC is just over 4 inches and a Spyderco dragonfly for use around yuppies

But thick knives can drive m crazy

Co sidered buying a Medford but I. Not in need of a tactical prybar

>>32438455
>not liking presents you get no matter what they are if they legitimately thought you'd like it

SPOILT MANCHILD REEEEEEEEEEE

>>32438465
thems some classy mosiac pins, not normally a fan of them.

>>32438522
I appreciate the effort but I tend to only like very practical gifts stuff that IL use
And my family knows that
>Spoiled
Not really I just like what I like

>>32438534
Yeah, my Dad knows the guy who made em. The pic doesn't do it justice. It's a fantastic blade.

What you guys think about colt's 02z and 03z? Can't decide between the tanto or slightly longer straight blade

>>32438551
Crkt* not colt

what do /k think of mk 3 mod 0? Thinking of getting one, had one in the past really like the look and feel, some faggit stole it...

>>32438428

I don't remember off hand. Another option is to look in the BladeForums subsection where small knife makers sell their blades until you see something in AEB-L that fits your needs:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/754-For-Sale-Fixed-Blades

>>32438455
Lol I got a half serrated mt rainer crkt with a combo edge, and the shitty autolawks feature. Got it yesterday.

Carried it today because I was going to see the person who got it for me. Soon as I got home I clipped my spyderco back on. It was sweet of her, but I don't ever see myself carrying it.

Also got a China cheapie with my initials on it, and a knock off leatherman.

>>32438859
Mines a crkt as well
Fossil
Would be a great knife if I was in the next price bracket down
Or two price brackets down
But I'm used to my zt0452cf or my pm2 in s110v , maybe my Benchmade 940 or even my manix 2 XL

And the crkt is nice and smooth ( not as smooth of any of my higher end knives )
But the styling on it isn't my style and the recurve ( albeit slight) on the blade is going to suck for sharpening

Plus 8cr vs s30 s35 s110 etc is a big step down

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kinda wanting a Half face blades dirtnap lately.

>>32438443
Are kukris pardoned?

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Just picked up this beauty for skinning yotes and bambi.. did i do good /k?

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>>32438891
420j2 steel, zinc alloy handle, 420j2 liners.

Gotta say it really has a nice smooth action, came with a good edge, clip is sturdy, and it's not uncomfortable in the hand.

Just not what I would have bought for myself. I'll keep it in the drawer and if I'm going to see her I'll clip it to my pocket. It's fine, just doesn't outdo my spyderco for edc.

And fuck combo edges.

>>32439022
Nice sheath, nice shape, useable size for a skinner. Idk bitchmade makes good shit if pricey. What's the steel ?

Looks like you did fine.

>>32439060

the steel is CPM-S30V

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My little brother gave me this today. I really like it so far. The assisted open mechanism took a little getting used to but I needed a middle ground between my Leek and Nimcub 2 so it'll be a great little heavy use folder for camping and such. It's big for a folder and it feels solid.

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>>32439047
8 cr13mov
At least it's a plain edge I guess

My 2 other edcs today to compare

>>32438891

You sound like the biggest fag.

>>32439237
Pretty much spot on

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>>32438899
if you're gonna pay that much for a knife his combat filet seems like a better design

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>>32439275
I mean it's probably more practical yeah but not exactly the same aesthetic

>>32439143
Should do you just fine for skinning. Which really isn't very hard on a knife anyway, just keep it sharp as fuck and you can use most anything with a decent belly and a handle you can choke up on.

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I got this.
Worth it?

>>32439443
I hear good things. Haven't used one.

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>>32436143
looks just like a kershaw volt 2 SS

>>32438455
Cry about it, at least you got something. I got nothing, not upset, or sad about it, not going to complain. It's called being an adult.

>>32438455

Literal autism.

>>32438427
Depends in your location, if you're american you're in luck. Loads of good, afoordable knives.
Gerber strongarm -Rust free
Becker bk16 -not Rust free, but coated
Ka-bars -not Rust free, but coated
Buck 119 - Rust free
Mora
BK 2

Euros
Cima 1 -30 bucks esee 3 clone
Cudaman - italy made and Rust free i think
Mora

Just look for knives in the 50-80 Dollar range and see what other people say about it for your first solid knife, and dont listen to all these knife snobs.
It's a cutting tool and should be sharp enough, sturdy enough and you have to like it, nothing more

>>32439443
I have one, have a ceramic stone one too, and the extra course one. gets them like fucking razors

>>32438455
Give it to me since I'm poor and appreciate the gifts I get from my loving family

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I know it's nothing special, but I got a Gerber Strongarm. 420HC, but a solid knife nonetheless.

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>>32439579
I was thinking the exact same thing, however the fit and finish not to mention materials are better than the ss volt. The keeshaw volt is a great budget knife with good looks and if you like it you'll love the spyderco advocate.

Pic:Just finished putting my own 30° edge on.the advocate next to my other gayle bradley folders.

>>32440583

I realllly want to get the mantra.

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Im thinking about getting this ontario 6277-m7b ontario
1080 carbon steel
47-53 hardness

Id mostly use it as a bayonet but was wondering how good was it

>>32440932
Ontario is generally one of the better production fixed blade companies. Not sure about 1080 as the only carbon steel I'm familiar with is 1095 but judging by the numbers it's gotta be fairly similar. How much is it? I'd say it's probably good if under $70.

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Just got this. If the handle was a tad bit longer it'd be great for my hand.

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>>32435546
O1's fine for a skinning knife, on your small critters, fish and birds something around 2-3mm thick with a 90mm long blade is about right and after it gets a grey patina on it, is good enough to repel corrosion at least until you get home at the end of the day and give it a bit of a scrub.
Paring knives also do the trick as well if you're after a budget knife for skinning, sometimes a bit of a re-profile with a diamond hone will get them tricked out nicely. Generally carbon steels are the way to go for field skinning as they'll hold a razor edge a bit longer than some of the stainless in 420C or lower, 440C well treated should hold for a days work though.
15N20 is also a pretty decent, (if a little more uncommon) knife steel for a lot of field work that can take a beating, holds a good edge and will mirror finish up real nice. Svord use it in some of their knives which aren't hugely expensive and its generally trouble free

My dad is a knife collector with a huge collection and I bought him a pretty sweet knife for Christmas. Afterwards he gave me quarter. He believes in some superstition that if you've given a knife you must give the knife-giver a "coin" of any kind in return for the gesture or else it's bad luck.

Have you ever heard of this before? Do you practice this?

>>32442562
a quarter*

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>>32442562
Did you even google it man? It's apparently a pretty common European superstition. If you give a knife, it will "cut" your friendship, but a coin given in return makes it a de facto purchase and that drives away the bad juju.

Anyway, I came here because my little brother gave me a little pocket knife for Christmas. This little guy. Seems like a decent knife. Far less bulky than the box cutter I currently use when I'm throwing the load at work. I'm not really a /k/ kinda guy, but what do you guys think?

>>32442562
Yes, always

>>32442562
Common practice here. As well as grabbing the knife by the blade when you want to give it to someone, in order to make sure it's not an aggression.

>>32442562
Yes, I also never shut a folding knife that was given to me open, and you cannot give away any knife that has cut you.

>>32439965
Don't listen to this faggot.

First off, if it has carbon in it it is not rust free. And if it's coated that just means after use it'll wear off and you'll have to practice proper knife maintenance.

Mora would be a good first innawoods knife in conjunction with a woods axe. A thicker knife such as BK, Ontario, or ESEE can offer could work without an axe depending on your woods, but it's important to remember they're still knives. They are not intended to do an axe job.

>>32440583
You need the Junction and the Bradley Bowie now

>>32442605
Tanto tips and serrations are meme features for a knife otherwise CRKT M-16 is a good EDC knife and you'll find it useful in your work.

>>32443098
You just recommended exactly what i die, are you stupid? I even said what high carbon knives Rust and which have something like 420 steel (gerber strongarm, buck 119) which is a lot more Rust resistent, or free everyone knows even those steels rust a bit, but not even comparable to high carbon.

You should really think about if shitposting here brings you farther in life brother

>>32444215
Out of those suggestions only the bk16, bk2, and mora are worth looking at with your own provided guidelines. This is based off the steel that the knife is made out of and intended purpose as well as your recommended price range.

What good is a clip point for bushcraft needs? Gerber is shit, why suggest it? The cudeman that I found are over your recommended limit, why list it? You completely left out ESEE and Ontario who both make knives in 1095 intended for innawoods for a fair price.

Also you keep mentioning rust free or rust resistant. That's entirely dependent on the anon's location. If he has brackish waters by him or even salt water near his location then that's out the window. Be better to practice proper knife maintenance.

I gave completely sensible suggestions and even further suggested he needs to consider a mora in conjunction with a woods axe. Far from shit posting.

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new knife day!

>>32435033
I'm jelly but I can't justify spending $200 on a knife right now

>>32444669
Looks comfy, what kind of steel?

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>>32422733
Got a light my fire series Mora, I dig it

>>32444756
440Chinesium

It's a $12 Shirogorov F3 knockoff.

It's actually pretty nice for what it is. I can't believe you can buy a $12 knife with ball bearings.

>>32438455
So many Clint Eastwoods complaining about this complaint.
>you should enjoy whatever your family gets you. It's not their job to actually make any effort or understanding, but it's your job to pretend they did or you're the asshole.

>>32438455

That's why I never ask for knives or even mention I like knives to normies or people that arent close to me.

I'd rather buy what I want whenever I want.

>>32438465

Paki shit, kek

>>32438465
He didn't buy it off eBay did he?

>>32445335
you're the asshole if they obvious did make an effort as shown by them giving you something they know you're interested in, such as a knife, and still complain.

>>32442605
Garbage to my standards. To a not knife guy its fine

>>32439965

Gerber. You sick fag.

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>>32444692
I mean is a 940 a meme, its based as fuck. It was a gift regardless, so i cant comment on thenprice much, altho ive spent around that on pic related

>>32444623
Esee is just as much out of the price range, and how is a 70 dollar cudeman knife out of my 50-80, do you just want to find something to complain about?

Same with rust, ofcourse he doesnt need a rust resistant steel if he lives in the desert but he didnt say where he lives, so i listed several knives.
And yea gerber knives usually suck but if you say the gerber strongarm sucks youre one of those knife snobs i talked about, do you actually use your knives or do you have 20 knives just laying around that are in the 100-200 dollar range that have never seen use?

>>32445864
ESEE Izula is plenty with the right supplies. Esee 6 if anon can afford it.

And if it's a knife in my household it gets used. Some for basic tasks depending on the steel, others for outdoors and tool work. It's not being a snob to own knives for the sake of owning either. At least a legit knife collector would buy knives that are actually good versus Gerber.

>>32445851
>cuck knife and two prison shanks
>$200
What country are you from

>>32445851
>I mean is a 940 a meme, its based as fuck.

It's time for you to take a step back from the internet, and spend some time somewhere without cellphone reception until you've regained the ability to express yourself in your own words again, instead of making a jigsaw puzzle from worn out phrases.

>>32446401
Probably the Swazi land

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>>32444803
Ayyyyyyy my man

How are ESEE knives? I know jack shit about knives, looking for a decent fixed blade for field/tacticool use, and a separate one for EDC.

>>32446747
Love my 6 and they have a great warranty. Get a 6 for the field and the izula for edc.

>>32422733
College fag here. Will still be living with parents for a little while, and while I have my rifles they are scared of handguns for some reason so I can't have one. Don't know what else to carry for last ditch self defense. Fixed blade knife recommendations?

>>32447936
Aren't you an adult? What are your parents gonna do, ground you?

>all these anons going full on retard shreek about the one anon who said feels bad about his gift
>None of them even considered he might feel bad because they put in the effort and it's something they won't use

At least that's how I looked at it
That's how I would feel if I got a knife from a family member that I knew I wouldn't use

Almost got caught up in a right between hundreds of nigs today in a mall
On the verge of a riot
Not sure over what tbqh

Glad I had my knife just Incase
Peace of mind I guess

>>32447990
Kick me out, end financial support. Yes, I'm an adult, that's what makes this so precarious, they don't have to support me. But I don't have the time or finances to go to school full time without their support. So I have to suck it up

>>32448114
Nigs will be nigs

>>32448358
Luckily I was in a different section looking at tools and shit
Suddenly wondered why there was a bunch of people leaving the mall and then multiple cop.cara came rushing in
Stuck my head outside the store and nigs everywhere fighting and shit

>>32448043
You can stop samefagging nigger

Newfag here. I'm looking into getting an EDC that is also decent for self-defense due to a bunch of muggings in my area. After reading the sticky, I've decided on either the kershaw leek or the Spyderco CatG 10. Which would you guys recommend, or what would you suggest that's better in $50+ range?

>>32448943
While I'm not going to outright suggest you don't carry anything for self defense.. You should be extremely cautious before drawing a knife to protect yourself. Ignoring the legal argument that a knife is lethal force and may not be justified in the court of law, pulling a knife to defend yourself will almost always be a bad idea. If the mugger has a knife, what are you going to do, get in a knife fight to the death? Are you ready for that? If the attacker has a gun, are you ready to get shot because you panicked and drew your knife out? A knife is not a shield.

The only time you should pull a knife in a situation like that is if you honestly believe you are going to have to fight for your life, meaning there is an imminent threat to your life, and you don't have an option to run away.

>>32435133
nice man, I love my Delica4 and I bought one for my brother this christmas

>>32449040
This sounds pretty reasonable. In any case, I suppose I'd still like an EDC since it seems like something a man should have. This is also why I didn't bother looking at the tacticool shit.

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Got this for christmas

More coming

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Bet 4chans gonna cuck my picture at a shit angle

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Toilet photos best photos

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Hey anons, looking for some opinions on the Spyderco Manix 2 Lightweight version.

So far the only two downsides I see are
>no steel liners
>not capable of being opened, uses pins not screws.

With these in mind, is it a shitty knife?

>>32425314

What is the blade steel on the griptilian? Mine is D2 but I've there are other types as well

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So, I'm looking at a thick or lean cut Scrap Yard Chop House. Anyone have any experience with both or can help me decide which one would be the best?

>>32435518
Talk to me about XHP

My dad gave me a case stockman, but I also just got a Benchmade 860, which is better for daily use?

>>32449735
>no steel liners
Not really a big deal. Spyderco's FRN is plenty sturdy on its own.

>not capable of being opened, uses pins not screws.
Also not that big of a deal. You can still clean it fine without taking it apart.

>>32449876
Carry both. One for light/public use and the other for medium use.

>>32449735
>FRN scales. Sometimes not bad but in the case of the Manix the G10 is king
>Definitely a downside on no steel liners too.
>Pin construction sucks ass. Disassembling would void Spyderco's warranty anyway but fuck the warranty, I doubt even they could fix the pin versions anyway.
Overall I'd say get the regular size, G10 version. If you're going to carry a workhorse have the best workhorse you can get, or start wearing pants with bigger pockets. There's also aftermarket scale availability.

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>>32449809
Because you wanted all the pain in the arse problems of working with D2, but now with even less corrosion resistance than 440C!

Just kidding, its a great steel that like all the stainless tool steels tends to require an extremely exacting heat treatment, you need to protect it extensively from de-carb during the hardening/annealing/normalisation treatments (or all that nice carbon burns off) which makes it impractical and very risky for hand forging certain shapes. Pretty much exactly like 440C for the tempering- needs 3 heat cycles with a cryo to get the most out of the temper and scavenges back 1-2HRC of hardness.
Generally, a kiln with a slow feed of nitrogen or some other inert gas running through it or packing it inside a SS foil that will reduce its exposure to oxygen, because once you get over about 800-850C its liable to de-carb

Essentially, it lends itself really well to industrialised stamping and a production line process, it doesn't really tend to appeal to small production knife makers as we just can't really make a product with a profit. Kilns capable of cracking 1000-1100C cost a lot and various other sundry processes like labour, a salt bath, cryo treatment, gas feeds and what not just keep adding onto the costs- the people who will pay 1000's for a custom knife made out of it are generally a tiny fraction of the market. I used do SS knives a couple of times just out of interest/prove I could do it to myself, but its just too damn labour intensive and the overheads are ridiculous to say the least.
Big companies production lines can do all that easily and in enough volume to offset the overheads.

As a steel, I wouldn't recommend it for a high corrosion chemical contact environment (kitchen) it'll be ok in high moisture, not great around salt and not something which would take well to axe-like, severe impact shenanigans you see youtubers doing to trees.
Pocket knives, metal sheers, cutters, some valves etc are all great though.

>>32450739
>Pin construction sucks ass
Citation needed. Pin construction can be just as strong as screw construction and knives aren't like guns in the sense that you have to being able to strip them apart.

>>32429763
I think they can take quite a bit abuse.
I think the steel is decent. I used mine as a hammer countless times and I used it to dig foxholes on few occasions, mostly used it for hard labor.

But apart from that, the single-side blade is fucking retarded.
It's more of a crowbar that can open cans and cut stuff if you're desperate, really.

>>32449809
>>32450884

XHP was pretty much designed to be a stainless equivalent to D2.

Expect high hear resistance, low apex stability (ability to resist microscopic apex chipping and rolling), and limited toughness.

In general XHP is one of the few times I would call one steel a strictly better substitute for another, as XHP is pretty much strictly better than s30v (I.e. it's at least as good at everything while being better at some things).

>>32450573
>not a big deal
I'll take your word for the FRN stability, but my secondary concern with being able to take it apart is simply general repair. What if the spring somehow falls out (of place)? What if something else falls out of place? What then?

>>32450739
You share a different opinion than other anon regarding the steel liners?

Anyone have a benchmade emissary? I heard it was a decent knife just pricey.

What's a good, inexpensive, fixed blade knife that can be used as a self-defense option? Been debating a boot knife of some sort. As for why fixed blade and not folding? The main use of a short blade is stabbing and palm-thrusting, so a hinge is a structural weak point.

>>32449040
>If the mugger has a knife, what are you going to do, get in a knife fight to the death? Are you ready for that?


If a mugger has a knife, it's probably already in you by the time you realize it and you're on the ground bleeding out as they're making further holes in you. So at that point it's about striking a quick fatal blow on them so you can get away before you bleed out.

Knife fights are a meme.

Kershaw Kuro, good or bad?

>>32433579
I agree what is OP's knife

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Is this a good knife? Granddad gave it to me when I was a yung chillen, and I basically forgot about it until recently when I moved all my tools out of the old tool box into an actual tool stand/chest.
Needs to be sharpened, and the blade is around 5in. Whats the purpose for this? I'm moving next month to a more hunter and gun friendly state so I plan on doing a lot of hunting then; would this suffice? What's this type of blade called?

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>>32454575
Clinch pick is the bomb.

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Before anybody says it yes I know the camouflaged one is just an old toy but it looks nice

>>32448140
Hey I hear that our uncle has a good gig for you to do and in turn will pay for your school and get you a loan on a house.

>>32455513
Can confirm, I gave up after 1.5 years community college and living with my parents to go chill with my Uncle Sam.

>>32446747
Own one of each. Except izula I own 2 and the wife own one.

Broke 2 of them. Only question asked was "which color would you like for the new one?"

>>32455334
There are codes by the buck stamp of the blade, and you can see when the knife was made by googling buck knife date codes, tell us what year it is or what the symbol looks like. And yes a great knife, perfect for whatever you're doing outside like hiking, hunting, camping etc

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>>32455334
Nigger do you even google? I just searched Buck 105 and found all your answers. It's general purpose outdoor hunting knife according to Buck.

>>32422733
anyone know some quality Bowie makers? While itd likely never see use, id want it to be able to if needed. Is cold steel the best option? if not, who are some good makers.

>>32455383
>the knife you will never use.jpg

>>32456370
Hey man, if I never have to use this shit for real I'll be happy. Same goes for my pepper spray, my BJJ practice, and my gun.

If you just mean the knife is shit for utility, that's probably true. It's not the worst for cutting stuff but really it's only good on meat and paper.

>>32456452
I meant it's shit for utility (really...), and you will never experience the nightmare scenario where you have to use this knife.
I recognise that it's a perfect design, but its only task is higly unlikely.

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>>32422733
its in the mail and should arrive in first half of January
i wanna hold it real bad

>>32453146
>but my secondary concern with being able to take it apart is simply general repair
It's a valid concern, but really you shouldn't really need to replace anything. I've had an uncaged ball-bearing lock knife and its been going strong for at least a couple of years.

>>32456223
How much money are you willing to spend?

>>32457078
The spring, as far as I know, is exposed from the inside of the handle gaps, which gives me the impression it's at least slightly feasible it /could/ shift loose and fall out, without being able to be placed back together. However then again, the design of the locking mechanism seems such that it's generally not possible for it to actually slip out without the full removal of the handles and mechanisms.

I really don't know, I'm just worried, not sure if irrationally or not yet.

>>32454605
>If a mugger has a knife, it's probably already in you by the time you realize it
Uh no
The vast majority of muggings take place with nobody getting injured. Most of the time if you just comply you'll get away unscathed. Drawing a knife of your own could potentially escalate the situation and actually turn it into a knife fight. Drawing a knife against someone with a gun is a good way to get shot or laughed at. Drawing a knife against someone who is unarmed could probably be ruled unjustified in the court of law. Knives are not good self defense tools.

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>>32457396
>I really don't know, I'm just worried, not sure if irrationally or not yet.
I say it's irrational. I can only remember one story offhand of somebody losing a spring or ball bearing, and it's explicitly because the guy took the knife apart and lost it.

Are there any affordable, decent knives with ball bearings that aren't a Buck Marksman?

>>32457078
Preferably not over 250

>>32457955
Define "affordable" and "decent"

>>32458277
Similar price as the Marksman and not made from 440 stainless.

>>32458175
Look up Plowshare Forge.
http://www.plowshareforge.com/

The Laredo by Cold Steel is pretty good, though out of your price range. I'd avoid the other cheaper bowies by them just because I think the cable tang they use is gimmicky and bad

>>32455611
>>32446840

Alright, good deal. Gonna add that to the list.

These are my know. How boned am I?
Top to bottom:
Some Gerber bullshit with serrated blade because duck whittling you're cutting paracord today
Some bullshit I picked up from a camp commissary back when I was in Boi Scunts. Stainless at least.
Some Chinese knock-off Swiss Army bullshit, hate this one the most.

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>>32459393

Sell them all for $20 and put it towards a nice knife.

>>32459451
Probably gonna keep middle for sharpening practice desu.

>>32449665
>>32449679
>>32449716
>>32449730
Tip for future posts:

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I don't know anything about knives really.

I carry a Cryo II.

I like the flipper.

What should I buy to replace it?

>>32459992

Do you need to replace it? Is it not filling the role you need it to?

>>32453581
Handled one. Comfy to hold. Spring assist is retarded, if I had one I'd pull the spring out and make it a manual. Aluminum was light but I hate aluminum's feel in hand so I'm biased. Anodizing was good. Handle fairly thick, but profile was slim and blade fairly short. Would make a decent carry if not for the aluminum. Definitely not worth the price. 90% of Benchmades nowadays are not worth half the price they ask, save for the Contego and the Ritter Griptilian.

>>32459992
If you like the general design of the Cryo but want a higher-quality knife, one of the ZT Hinderer knives would be perfect.

If you just like flippers, there are a lot of options. I just got a Lionsteel TRE and love it. I've handled some Rike knives and they're really nice for the price. I've heard really good things about Kizer.

>>32459992
Look into blade steels. I find researching the properties and uses for each steel fascinating.

Why do you want to replace it? Does it not do what you want it to? What do you like besides the flipper? Looking for something bigger or smaller? Thicker, thinner? Better blade steel? Different ergonomics?

Just based on materials alone, there are a lot of better knives out there. Just depends on what you want and how much money you're willing to pay. In my opinion it's better to have the best you can find for a medium to high price than cheap out. Better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it right? So to prevent reliability issues and increase durability, find and buy the best one you can find. Just do your research and find what fits you.

>>32460119

It's getting old and I recently replaced my gun belt and wallet, so I figured I might as well look into new knives. I suppose that's stupid woman logic.

>>32460287

Are there any real deficiencies with the Cryo II? Thing fits my hand perfectly and I like the blade size. Maybe I'll just buy the blackwash version this time. I'd be willing to spend around $150 but I guess everyone's right in that there's nothing much to gain with a different knife other than better steel maybe.

>>32460443
Design wise the Cryo is sorta solid but some weird quirks. Assisted is unnecessary if it had decent pivot bearings or washers. Thumbstud on top of flipper is a waste of space. Steel is lower end. Little on the heavy side. For $160 you could get a Zero Tolerance 0450. ZT is Kershaw's older sister company so you'd be sticking with KAI just getting a much higher quality knife.

Titanium handle slabs, S35VN steel (one of the best all around in my, as well as many others' opinion), caged ball bearing pivots with hard flipper detent makes for out of this world action, standoffs to reduce weight but keep knife held together, simple to disassemble... In short, for $160 I think the ZT0450 is one of the best bang-for-your-buck knives and worth every penny. Definitely an upgrade to the Cryo.

You'll be surprised at how versatile it is. Light and low profile enough to make tight pant/jean carry easy, but sturdy enough to be used for some decently rough work and disappears in larger pant pockets. Blade is thin enough to slice well but thick enough to handle some abuse. Blade length is just perfect, reduces pocket space taken up by the knife when folded but long enough to be used for whatever you need. But, if you don't like the ergonomics or the aesthetics there are other options. ZT has a wide variety, while Kizer and Lionsteel are fairly good non-mainstream flipper brands. Spyderco is starting to get into flippers too.

>>32460766

The weight and size of the Cryo has never bothered me, in fact I would probably prefer the (what seems to be) wider handle.

Would the 0450 be appreciably better than the ZT Hinderer mentioned here? >>32460269 The Hinderer seems VERY similar to the Cryo outwardly.

>>32460915
The 0450 also has an older brother, the 0452, which has a carbon fiber scale on the flat side and titanium on the lock side. It's 1 inch longer blade, so the rest of the dimensions have scaled accordingly. So if you want something bigger that is a great option.

The ZT Hinderer is really just a collaboration between Hinderer Knives and Zero Tolerance, in that Hinderer designed the knife with a ZT twist and then ZT produced it. There are 2 ZT Hinderer collaboration knives, the 0566 and the 0562. The 0566 has the spring assist mechanism rather than the ball bearing pivot, with an Elmax blade steel (better than S35VN in my opinion), and available in a full titanium handle or titanium/carbon fiber combo. The price is around $160 on the 0566. Personally I hate spring assist knives, because the spring doesn't give you that much faster of an opening yet it makes it more dofficult to close with one hand. With ZT's standard KVT pivot in most of their other knives, it means you get a fast yet smooth opening, and an easy one hand close. With the spring assist, you have to fight the spring the entire way to close it. Really, deploy speed is sort of a penis size competition when it comes to manual flipper vs auto/assisted. The blade steel is better, but I think the spring assist is a deal breaker, but that's just me.

The 0562 is virtually the same design with an Elmax blade, but it does include ZT's KVT ball bearing in the pivot, and is available in full titanium or titanium/carbon fiber combo handles. Keep in mind this brings the price up over $200, but if you personally like the design better as far as ergonomics and aesthetics that's up to you. Desirable is really subjective but objectively speaking the 0562 is probably the best. I would love an Elmax blade, but I think the versatility of the 0450 as well as the ergonomics and aesthetics are better for me.

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>>32461034
ZT no has here, looking to gleam some knowledge about ZT.

All these variants and such,what's all the hype for, is it warranted? What makes a ZT a ZT, what's something that you can pretty much identify immediately about all ZTs? Is there a flagship ZT that everyone recognizes?

And since it's knife general, have a knife.

What does /ktg/ have against SOG? This is coming from someone who doesn't visit knife generals and doesn't know a lot about knives. Is it just a meme? Enlighten me, /k/omrades.

>>32461227
SOG is just one of those companies that's cashing out on their name without putting out a good product. People like to buy recognizable things, I'm sure companies would slap "SEALs" onto the end of every knife name if they could. God knows it'd just bring more cash in from the "muh SEALs use it, must be god tier" people.

>>32445820
What specifically is garbage about it? Someone else mentioned the serrations and tanto tip which really just seem like they'll make it harder to hone. Was there anything else bad about it? Mind you, I work in the meat department of an upscale grocery store, so this is mostly going to be used to open boxes and cut plastic wrap; I'm mostly just curious.

>>32461343

>upscale grocery store
>upscale

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Had a G-10 Manix 2 and dug it a lot, I've never had a 940 but I hear good things, which one do you advise, /k/?

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how gay is this knife?
in /k/'s opinion of course

>>32422733
Any good chisel/blunt tip knifes?

>>32461958
old woodworking man/10

>>32461476
Manix has much thinner blade stock, is (arguably) available in a better variety of steels, is less expensive, caged ball bearing lock is much less susceptible to becoming bound by grit/pocket lint/etc., and even the versions with Maxamet and S110V are cheaper than the 940.

The 940 has a stronger tip, a thicker blade, and carries much thinner/smaller in the pocket. It also feels more like an expensive knife in terms of build- the polymer-handled Manixes can be a little rough in terms of f&f and the FRCP they use lacks the "soft but strong" feel of the Japanese FRN handles. The opening action also feels smoother than the Manix.

They are both very good knives, it just boils down to which better suits your purposes. In the spirit of full disclosure I have a M2 XL and it is rarely used/never carried due to the size (akin to having a smartphone clipped inside your pocket). I have handled and used 940-1 but do not own one.

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>>32425412
>Meh-tier. 420HC is a shit tier steel along with the #Cr#MoV series.
Leeks aren't any of those steels, they're 12c or 14c Sandvik apart from the odd sprint run which uses higher end steels like Elmax.
>Spring assist is retarded, it's only there because the cheap washers would make it have shitty action.
As far as the AO goes, I've not used a Leek personally but I do own multiple Blurs which are made in the same place and they're smooth as butter manual, so no the AO is just AO, the action works great either way.
>Handle material is shit
I'd also ask why 410ss is bad as a handle material? You could argue it's heavy but a Leek is a 3" blade at 3oz which is ballpark middle ground leaning towards light, plenty of G10 3" knives are heavier, I can understand if you don't like metallic handles but how does that change the materials effectiveness.
>Ergos are shit.
Have you used a Leek, so far it doesn't sound like it, as I said earlier I haven't used a Leek, I'm not a great fan of Wharncliffe style blades but I've yet to hold an Onion knife I didn't love the ergos on, for me they all look odd and handle great, he pretty much pioneered the handle style with a raised centre section and drop away heel which is becoming more and more common now, as seen here
>>32426825
And here
>>32426866

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>>32449735
Love mine, no regerts. I would probably love the G10 version too but I've no interest in carrying a knife that heavy.
My thoughts on it revolve around the blade steel, the Manix 2 is a seriously tough knife with a pretty fragile steel, in testing the Manix pretty much always fails in the blade before the lock, so why would you need all that strength and weight if the blade is S30v? The Manix LW has a tougher steel, meshed with a weaker frame so the frame may fail before the blade in some situations(but I would think not many) but does this matter? In either case the knife is fucked but one was cheaper and IMO more pocketable.

Now if I could find a Manix 2 Cruwear for decent money, colour me excited.

>>32462150
Got you, senpai.

https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP101CFPCW2/spyderco-c101cfpcw2-manix-2-folding-knife-cru-wear-satin-plain-blade-carbon-fiber-handles-knifecenter-exclusive?utm_source=website&utm_medium=slider&utm_campaign=kc-spyderco-manix-2&kcno=123

Anyone know where to buy Spydercos or Emersons in Osaka?

>>32461343
Like most big companies it depends on the knife, if it's a decent design made in the US or Taiwan it's probably fine and tainted by all the mall ninja chinese crap they sell alongside, much like Cold Steel.

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>>32462162
Holy shit they're back, that's awesome - wish they didn't have CF scales but it's a minor gripe. Haha cheers dude.

>>32461958
Excellent knife, excellent blade.
I don't know how many were sold, but probably hundreds of millions, there must be a reason...

>>32429763
Shit steel that can't be sharpened and will break instantly if you abuse it a little.

>>32462498
350 million in 71 countries

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I just finished polishing up my Schrade F26.

What would be a nice paint job for the handles?

>wants to make a knife or two
>18" barstock of 1095 costs $13
>noice
>calculates shipping
>$30 shipping
>not noice.

Well there goes that dream.

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Any opinions on the ontario spec sp10 plus marine raider bowie?

Full tang
1095
57-59 hrc
65$

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>>32461958
Honestly i just got one and i cant stop fingerfucking it. Its kind of got that unassuming "le oldskool charm"

but excellent blade geometry, and decent enough steel to take a wicked edge.

Its a $10 knife and it works

>>32462951
Buy a second hand file from a local pawn shop, it'll cost fuck all.

>>32462951
What country?

>>32461093
Their F&F is in the top tiers for production knives. Above Benchmade, above Microtech, neck and neck with high end Spydercos. The materials they are made of are top notch. Each of their designs fulfills a role and they have so many for different roles. The ball bearing pivots make each model the best flipper you'll ever feel. The warranty isn't bad. In my opinion most ZT's are definitely worth the money, especially the 0450 because of how versatile that one knife is. I'd say the flagship, or the one I always recognize is either the 0350 or 0450, but there are a lot of recognizable models. Zero Tolerance is pretty much the best you can get at reasonable prices. Microtech makes good knives but are overpriced, have a shit warranty, and have bad F&F. Benchmade has a great warranty but most of their knives are subpar and overpriced, especially the gold class. Spyderco has a bad warranty but makes amazing knives for good prices, but I think ZT has Spyderco beat in the flipper framelock department. Sure there are other options out there like Kizer or Lionsteel but in my opinion those are just alternatives, I don't think anything other than a midtech or custom will come close to ZT's bearing pivots in smoothness, and the alternatives may have slightly better F&F but the materials are pretty much the same.

>>32463122
Ah I hadn't thought of that at all. Good idea. I could buy fucktons, the problem is removing thickness. I prefer very thin blades and don't have powertools so I'd have to remove thickness by hand and sand flat.

>>32463131
USA.

>>32461476
G10 Manix comes in more varieties of steel, has thinner blade, ball bearing lock is more reliable than axis lock. The 940 is slimmer and lighter with slightly thicker blade but usually worse blade steel. Benchmade's F&F has been spotty recently. If it were me, I'd get the S110V Manix G10 over a 940 any day but I guess it depends on what you're going to use it for.
>>32461958
Not gay. Decent quality for low price makes it a good loaner, beater, or entry level gift for someone looking to get into knives. Better than your average chinese cheapo and better than most low end Kershaws or CRKTs, and miles better than Gerber or Outdoor Edge.
>>32461969
Graham Razel is the only one I know of. Pricey though.
>>32462114
I assumed the Leek was 420 just like the Scallion and Chive, but Sandvik steels aren't that much better. I haven't *used* a Leek but I have held several, and I personally did not like the handle shape. It would have been great if there were rounded off G10 scales over the steel, but since the handle is so thin my hands don't wrap around it properly. And with just titanium slabs it could have been a lot lighter and less cheap-feeling. Still, assisted opening is a novelty and offers no real advantage other than being more susceptible to dirt or grime holding back the reliability. The blade shape isn't my favorite either but the tips are known to snap way easier because it's cheap steel with a really thin tip. I'd have the Elmax one just for giggles, but I wouldn't buy or recommend the Leek to anyone looking for something good but cheap. That award goes to the Spyderco Dragonfly or Delica.

>>32462951
Where you getting your stock? Last I checked Amazon had decent prices and with prime you can get free shipping

>>32463151
Depending on the size of the blade you want you can get smaller/thinner files, also you could try to find saw blades, power hacksaw blades etc.

>>32463218
>Graham Razel is the only one I know of. Pricey though.

CRKT did a Razel chisel, it's OOP but I still see them for sale at some shops.

>>32463242
Amazon has o-1 for $25 of 1/8th thick, although I was looking for 3/32 for like $1 less, kinda expensive but cheaper than njsteelbaron, which I constantly see recommended despite the incredibly shipping costs.

I'll stalk around flea markets and pawn shops for files and shit first.

>>32463218
>The blade shape isn't my favorite either but the tips are known to snap way easier because it's cheap steel with a really thin tip

The tips break because they're super fine, which has it's uses but as I said, not for me. The steel itself is one of the toughest stainless steels around, it's a very low carbide, fine grained steel run at decent hardness which gives it good strength and for stainless, good toughness. IMO the 12/13/14c steels are a way better daily option than the usual 8cr/Aus8 options simply because they sacrifice a little wear resistance for better toughness and the ability to hold a finer edge angle.

>>32463265
>>32463291
That's me. I'm sure I could but I hear saw blades are a hit and miss as sometimes they can be non-heattreatable.

>>32463151
>USA.

I'm not, but the NJ Steel Baron, Admiral Steel are generally the ones a lot of the yank bladesmiths tend to use, they do have awesome ranges

>>32463302
It's about age, go for old, it's still semi unknown but the steels were simpler because heat treat practices were simpler, for a fair while now most US saw blades and tools like them have been 15n20 generally which is pretty close to L6 and both are very tough but as you get more recent you get more hardware being imported from elsewhere with unknown makeup.

>>32463321
NJ steel baron and whatnot charge out the ass for shipping, more than the actual price of the item. I'm guessing they're more orientated to people who buy large amounts at a time or pros.

>>32463319
Yeah I've also heard that, I'll keep an eye out. I need a round file anyway so hopefully there'll be an old one.

>>32462957
Help pls?

was gifted a becker bk16 for christmas. It's my first large fixed blade and I'm thinking it'll end up in my get-home-gear in my car. I live in a moist, cold place so would it be better to leave the coating?

Full knife collection:
-Becker BK-16
-Mora Light my Fire
-S&W SWAT millennium folder (old edc)
-Benchmade North Fork folder (new edc)

For my next purchase im thinking of something from Bark River Knives....they're less than two hours north and they look very pretty. I probably need something hunting/fishing related, but I really don't do much of that when /out/ . I'm also that crazy backpacker that actually carries a hatchet for wood tasks. Don't need to worry much about batoning my mora that way.

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>>32463402
forgot pic

>>32463347
Only other one I can remember off the top of my head was Texas Knifemakers Supply, not sure on their shipping costs but they do have some really nice looking handle materials and stuff like Mokume I was looking at awhile ago.

>>32463423
>>32463402

BK-16 is probably a much better knife than Bark River

>>32463429
>the thinnest they have is 1/8th

FUCK

Come on why are thick knives so in fashion right now.

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>>32463402
>>32463441
c'mon. Tell me this is not a sexy knife. And at over $200 dollars I'd hope it would beat the pants off a Becker.

Or are bark rivers just showpieces?

>>32463528
Because that's where the bladesmith comes into play to shape that lump of metal into something

>>32463441
>>32463561

>bk-16
>better than bark river

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>32463568
Stock removel doesn't require smithing anything, There's two very seperate markets for forging and stock removal. For stock removal you start at the desired thickness.

>>32463575
I know what it is mate, I'm just saying- you make with what you can get.
That might mean you're not making exactly what you want, I'd like to get back into making stainless steel blades again, but my kiln's 500km away, so I make stuff out of tool steel instead

>>32463643
Fair enough. but I can't forge so if I go that direction I'm essentially stuck with 1/8th thick knives, which is more suited to 5" and beyond knives, as opposed to what I like, sub 4" knives.

>>32463683
1/8th, think that's about 3.1 or 3.2mm which isn't all that thick.
Most of the little 3.5"/90mm paring knives and stuff >>32442195 are in 3mm base stock, I just run a full flat grind on them nearly all the way up to the top and a very small bevel at the bottom. Keeps a nice thick spine in the back for lateral and torsional twisting, then tapers down to about 18deg at the bottom.

>>32463756
It's not too thick for most people, yeah, but I prefer 2-2.5 mm for almost all knives.

>>32463769
Get some 15N20, it's practically always in 1.5-2mm
Plus it works just as well as something like 108x or 1095 on a smaller blade, polishes up really well

>>32463808
Well the shipping is down to a managable $11 with 12" of 15n20 from texas knife supply.

Man I wish amazon had more steel selections than o1 and their prices weren't so high.

>>32461958
I've no idea why people like these. I won one in an ice fishing competition years ago and it's the worst knife I have. It feels like it's going to fall apart if I look at it the wrong way, the blade is flimsy, the handle feels bad due to the cut in the middle... It's cheap and you can definitely feel it. A simple puukko can be had for the same price and it will definitely outperform this in every way.

>>32463959
There are lots of counterfeits of this knife. The original ones are pretty robust.
>the handle feels bad due to the cut in the middle
Yeah that's a folding knife...

>>32461343
I didnt say the knife was garbag, just to my standards.
Bad steel
Bas blade shape
Bad fit and finish
Bad design
Weight isnt justified for its size and performance
I have a similar knife.

In comparing this to stuff like spyderco Paramiltary 2, and my bew edc, the benchmade 940-2
It cant be good compared to those, my standards are too high.

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Posting pic of all my blue blades cause why the he'll not. Enjoy

1: Coldsteel skull crusher (silly name awesome blade! Xhp steel G10 handles)

2: Benchmade 710 (m390 steel)

3: Manix 2 (CPM s110v steel Blupurple g10 handles)

4:spyderco endura (vg10 steel, fun handles, emerson opener)

5:spyderco delicate ( vg10 steel, frn handle, emerson Opner)

6:benchmade G10 large griptilian (cpm 20cv steel a.k.a m390 with 3d machined gray/blue g10)

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can we have a useless knives you own general? I don't know what else to do with this little shit...

>>32466095

Stick it up your butt.

>>32463218

Judging Sandvik steels based on the underhardened and totally non-QC's way they are used by Kershaw is unfair.

Their steels are perfectly fine if heat treated correctly.

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>>32466095
I wouldn't call these completely useless but definitely more of a novelty.

Griptilian is only in pic for size comparisons.

>>32466218

I just looked at a grip and mini grip and fuck me is the grip huge.