Drone warfare

Sure why not.

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>>32416961
Is bet theyre real food for seeing over the next tree line.

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>>32416961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcjvTlVBxOA

Drones are the shit. Look up all the off the counter drones in Syria and Ukraine. Only a few hundred bucks can get you a drone and the possibilities are endless.

Note the video is a Russian drone but a lot of Ukrainian civilian groups have been manufacturing, flying and handing over intelligence.

>>32418322
I was thinking about getting a DJI mavic pro and modding it so it can go past 5 miles. When you dont wanna be seen and want to know whats around you can get a huge upperhand. I'll add it to the bag.

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Kinda fun toys, good for light intel shit. Won't do you any good in a real situation as they basically throw out a strong "Hey everybody with a frequency counter, I'm over here" signal and they are stupid easy to jam or hack.

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>>32422071
Speed Trap located

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>>32416961
>>32416976
Fucking maintenance you cock monglers. It'll be okay until it breaks and you can't fix it. Then you're fucked, just like every autist and unicorn round fetishist out there after SHTF.

If you want to live through a SHTF scenario get a 12 gauge and a 9mm. Make sure they're simple and reliable, then practice with them. Obviously, you also need a lot of other supplies too, but we're only addressing the /k/ aspect here.

>>32422099
I could have someone riding shotgun with the controller. Ebin

>>32422211
So learn how to fix it?

The problem with having one drone is that you'll reveal your location when you retrieve it. Disposable drones might be useful. Especially if they explode.

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>>32416961

Some vigilante in oklahoma city uses one to bust prostitutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trJ9pzZS3ao

>>32422252
> fixing a drone
> after SHTF

You won't have the machinery or materials.

>>32422427
Why wouldn't there be? Why couldn't you just purchase maintenance materials with your drone if you're preparing for shtf?

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>>32416961
Drones are shit, balloons are where it's at.

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>>32422099
Speed Trap located

>>32422507
>not a zepplin
gtfo

>>32422478
Because they're precision machined, and it's essentially impossible to repair motherboards and CPUs if they're damaged.

>>32422968
Fine. I'll give in to your defeatist attitude.

But wouldn't it be nice to have one for a year or so?

>>32423047
Until some actual operator follows it back to you and pops a cap in your ass while you jerk off to how l33t you are.

>>32423093
I guess you're right. Nothing more than a gun and a nice pair of boots. Hell why use a gun? That shit is LOUD. Why not just use a big purple dildo. Maybe some red ones. I'm definitely not butthurt that I can't afford a drone or anything, I'm just a l33t operator giving sweet advice. ( I was a navy seal). Infact I know many great techniques like smoke signals and buffalo semen smoothies. You people think you're operators? pfffft. You're just spoiled brats with toys. Only elite COD fans like me are going to survive the absence of machinery and materiel apocalypse. Nothin personal kiddo.

>>32423158
> being this mad

Cool shit doesn't keep you alive. Practical shit does. Get a 12 gauge in 2 3/4", an AR-15 in .223, and some reliable pistol in 9mm. Those rounds are the most common so after SHTF they'll take the longest to run out. More important than anything else is being in shape, and having good cold weather clothing and some supplies for the first month. After that everything else is gravy.

>>32423192
>No buffalo semen smoothies

I bet you don't even filter water, coward.

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>>32423231
> still being this mad
> yfw

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>>32422968
>Because they're precision machined, and it's essentially impossible to repair motherboards and CPUs if they're damaged.
Drone parts are easy to build by hand. I make prototypes and custom components all the time. Automated is just cheaper and easier provided you're building hundreds of the same thing.

>>32423261
No one's mad dude. I had a good laugh typing that. But I really want to know where the drone touched you when you were a boy.

If you had one for free wouldn't you at least try to find a use for it somehow?

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>>32423280
>But I really want to know where the drone touched you when you were a boy.
holy shit top fucking kek

>>32423192
mate why are you policing the actions of others, if anything you should be happy that he's doing something you see as dumb, simply because he'll die and leave more resources for you when he does.

>>32423280
Ayy lmao. If I had one I'd use it, but I wouldn't get one as part of a survival kit.

>>32423277
Including all the electronics?

>>32423331
Trying to be realistic here.

>>32423429
well you're just being a cunt mate

>>32418322

Allegedly the Russian """"""separatists"""""" have been running a pretty good EW game, Ukrainians constantly complain that their drones get shut down remotely.

Plan accordingly OP, what works against durkas in pickup trucks wouldn't work against any half-modern force.

>>32423093
>follows it
Can he run as the crow flies across rooftops at 15mph? If not then he's not following shit

>>32416961
I honest to god thought your pic was a screenshot from wargame, OP
anyways, a little personal drone is a great asset to have for any sort of combat situation
recon and BDA is what they excel at, so far. using them as perimeter guards is still not practical, but will be as soon(tm) as battery tech unfucks itself

>>32422211
>It might break at some point, so never ever bother to learn how to fix it

With your moronic logic I assume you don't use any machinery or electronics?

>>32422968
>>32423422
not him but the electronics are not that fragile. Think "nokia phone", not smartphone. If you manage to fry it then you majorly fucked up. The wires to the motors might break if the body is damaged but those are easily replaced with a soldering iron. Some misc shit on the board like capacitors can be ghettoed in from other scrapped electronics, even if it's hilariously improperly size, as long as you match the specs

>>32423093
Cause they can totally track something flying in the air going 40mph.

>>32425720
Yes, easily.

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I feel like alot of people here are pretty butthurt that they cant afford a drone (ignoring the proven battlefield, intel gathering advantages), could be me, I'm just saying.

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>>32425720
If only there was a way to like see something a long way away without physically having to move after it

>>32425770
>yes, easily.
Compelling argument, I stand corrected.

>>32425795
Have you ever hunted waterfowl or turkey? It would be like that, but it would sound like a Gillette automatic razor. You can easily track something in the sky, and see where the drone returns "home". What would be interesting is using the drone itself as bait.

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>>32425775
You're right, you'll never have anything blocking line of sight. What are obstacles for 500.

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Insurgents have made use of drones since 2006.

Since their use is getting greater and greater every year that should tell you something about whether they're useful or not.

>>32425824
The whole point of a drone is for the drone to get above obstacles so that it can get a clear picture of the surroundings. They aren't apache helicopters that perform pop-up attacks...

>>32425824
Things drones fly over you retard.

>>32425824
>Surveillance aircraft that is also apparently hiding

Something tells me you don't really know what you're talking about

>>32425843
But chameleon camoflauge.

>>32425823
I find it would be extremely difficult to track something that sounds like an electric razor with a range of 5 miles. You really cant hear them past 150 feet.

>>32425850
People shoot these down with small arms yet apparently they're invisible to a set of binoculars huh

>>32425840
Re read my comment, You are confused. A pair of binoculars will ony get you so far.

>things that drones fly over

....I know that..

>>32425850
Depends a lot on the environment I would say. And yes, you could track at the very least the egress direction to find the origin of operation.

>>32416961
>Are drones effective enough on the battlefield
-Jam signals so the troops on the ground cant operate them.
-Home-in on the signals used by troops to control the drone and fire a rocket or pepper the area with artillery
Effective until the troopers are killed.

>>32425863
If you can shoot something that size flying that high at that speed then I guess everyone here is Chris fucking Kyle and those 300 confirmed kill copypastas are actually true. Please spare me Mr spec ops sniper.

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>>32425897
Knock Knock

It's real life calling

>>32425897
>Shooting down a quadcopter is hard

Jesus Christ do you measure your groupings in square meters?

>>32425913
Holy shit dude please show me a video of you icing something flying 300ft in the air with your fucking 556. Please show me.

>>32425957
Just look at the images of drones shot down.

I don't need to prove anything to you, you need to realize that I'm not bragging, it's something that happens.

>>32425897
How are you so utterly ignorant of all the small drones that have been shot down.

Like, five seconds on Google and you wouldn't sound like such a prat.

>>32425983
Im not saying that it cant happen. But something flying over 30 mph in the air at an altitude of over 150m is an extremely difficult shot, if it were done so easily then they wouldn't still be using them in Syria so much. They obviously have a use. I doubt anyone on this board can make that shot with anything they have in their arsenal.

>>32423496
lol k

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>>32424001
> "what is reconnaissance" the post

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>>32424226
After SHTF is different from now. Currently I have the resources to repair my shit. After SHTF I won't have the resources to repair stupid shit like drones. Are you intentionally being stupid?

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>>32425897
> what is birdshot

Dumbass talking about people following your drone back to you:
Don't fucking fly it back to yourself, idiot.
Fly it to some random spot and pick it up later, if you want to be safe. Also,
>implying drones can't fly like 2ft off the ground
git gud at piloting the damn thing.

If you can't see the use of a fucking flying eyeball in ANY situation, you're a retard.

>>32426463
>what is sheet metal
cheap, light, and abundant, that's what.

>>32426447
>My magical apocalypse scenario is different from yours

>Why don't you get this?!?!

>>32426031
Then you're clearly a shit shot, or completely ignorant of what a group of people with automatic rifles are capable of, or both.

>>32426604
>Fly it to some random spot and pick it up later

So not only have you run the risk of leading whoever you were spying on back to you, you've given them the time to set up an ambush for when your retarded ass tries to go and get your drone back.

>>32426604
Because you think the people won't then get whoever comes to pick it up?

Think before you post.

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>>32426447
I don't know what retarded scenario you masturbate to as you imagine it finally giving you an excuse to rescue the girl you don't talk to, but if someone that lives here can get a drone off Amazon then you can get spare parts in a conflict.

>>32426647
Lol ok clearly this board is full of ex mall ninjas, I'll take my leave.

>>32426702
>You need to be a Navy SEAL sniper to shoot a small drone down!

>Google images is packed with small drones that have been shot down in Iraq/Syria/Ukraine/Yemen

>>32426652
>>32426665
>implying picking up the drone is more important than surviving
Think before you post? Fuck off, practice what you preach.
Enjoy wasting your time watching an empty building that has a drone and a battery in it.
I hope you have food on you.

P.S. The done has a fucking camera, if you're forgetting. It's not hard to keep an eye on you while you "ambush" the nobody who's coming.
And what if the drone takes off again? Do you follow it?

>>32426463
>Shooting at objects at this altitude with birdshot

Literally kill yourself fudd

>>32426690
I'm assuming SHTF == end of the world, total societal breakdown. That's what SHTF means.

>>32426756
Excellent argument.

>>32426736
Shot down with any caliber of weapons you own? Besides hunting with birdshot at close range I doubt anybody has experience shooting that long a distance with a rifle, or any moving target experience at all.

>>32426755
>forgetting that drones can carry weapons
My bad, let me fix this up.

While you wait in ambush around a drone's hideout, another drone flies up and shoots you all with a beltfed .22 cal.
Then, a fleet of RC cars comes out and drags your gear away to a third location.
When your magic spetsnaz SEAL delta team 99 backup arrives, an RC tank rolls out and shreds them with MGs.

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I was looking for sound advice, instead I got this. O /k/ u never disappoint.

>>32426862
I tried to give advice while shitting on the naysayers, but I will spell it out:
RC ground vehicles for support
Drones with weapons
barebones Scout drone
heavy combat drone for bad situations
never forget your drone has a camera
ditto for weaponry if you got it
rule the wasteland from a secret lair, with flying assassin robots.

>>32426918
Just start the Mechanist quest line in FO4?

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Ok, here is some real-world info from someone who actually owns and flies a few UAV, since some people here seem confused:

>Drones are loud. Like, seriously. 1500ft up and 1200 ft out it sounds like a swarm of bees.
>ANYTHING in the sky is going to be easy to spot and track, unless it's a dark color and your flying at night with no lights on your UAV.
>Current tech limits battery life to around 20minutes at best under ideal conditions
>These things are STUPID easy to hack into, easy to jam or disable, and an infant could detect the signal and track it's origin.
>Quad types are generally not super fast. Like maybe 55mph top speed under ideal conditions for the top of the line kit, and that high speed is going to kill battery life.
>If your UAV is hidden from sight, so is whatever your trying to see.
>getting shot out of the air is a very REAL possibility and something that happens to drone operators fairly regular.

None of this is to say Drones aren't useful, cause they are, but know the limitations. Just like a .22lr is still useful but your not going to use it as a combat rifle.

Do some research instead of just arguing on 4chan. Many of the points addressed in this thread are actually pretty common knowledge among people who actually fly. Here is a good starting point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGoiNZjmYfE

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>>32422328
>using drones to catch hookers as opposed to literally anything else

But fucking why?

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>>32427271
Also:
>You see all these amazing looking videos and photos taken with UAVs, but that isn't real-time. The live feed is much lower resolution. 720 max. So smaller things often go unnoticed until you see the recorded footage. Not great if your trying to live track something.
>Fucking birds. Hawks, vultures, eagles, and large bird will try to fuck you. They hate these things being in their airspace. I can't hardly even fly down by my local river because the turkey vultures come from a mile away to chase the fucking thing out of the air.

>>32416961
I have a buddy at West Point where they play around with handheld drones on some of their exercises.

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>>32423807
The EW is differently a problem. However in these conflicts there are so many drones in the air from both sides that a number do get through. Also those jammers can't be everywhere and they can't always be on. The US if flying RQ-4 Global-hawks and are sucking up data and tracking these systems. The Ukrainians also target these systems. There is actually a Ukrainian drone video if it coordinating an artillery strike on a compound with one of these systems in it.

Not the video but Ill keep looking for it. But something noticable in the video is that before the drone even took off the radios were jammed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFF3at7YCkU

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>drones
Do you think AA sights like on the Type 99 could make a comeback?

>>32422211
Spares are a thing and many /k/ tards are skilled technicians and mechanics.

SHTF would be like SHTF anyfuckingwhereelse in the world where SHTF is fucking normal, not some Walking Dead bullshit.

>>32422427
>You won't have the machinery or materials.

Because the accumulated technology of the world will suddenly vanish? Wigga pleeze.

All non-techies STFU and go learn how things work. You will need technical skills more than combat skills in SHTF for long term survival. If you live in the country, mobs of goblins cannot maintain themselves in the field. Murder them then get on with life.

>>32423093
Like there will be operators everywhere with leisure time in SHTF....

>>32427516
Basically this, SHTF basically means US is the new Africa. So with that in mind look at how Africans live and look where they fail and where they succeed.

>>32425827
What would real combatants know about war vs the genius NEETs of 4chan?

>>32426763
No, it doesn't. SHTF will only ever be local because local causes. Atmospheric testing detonated the equivalent of a modest nuclear war aboveground in various parts of the world.

Overlay that many warheads on the Middle East, and they could go off without unduly annoying rest of world.

>>32416961
For shtf, I could see drones being useful for a couple of different scenarios-

1- scouting your route, for when you're moving a number of people. You'll need a dedicated drone operator, and, ideally, a dedicated transport method which allows the operator to do his magic on the move. Motorhome or pickup with a shell come to mind.

2- as one of the outermost sensors for a base/BOL. Send the drone out to check status of mechanical ambushes or telltales. If possible intruders are detected, use the drone to monitor their progress.

You can also use a drone to practice some misdirection. Bring it home via roundabout means, instead of straight line. That way, if somebody spots it they don't get a direct bearing to your location.

>>32425827
>>32427580
Lul, when I was in Afghanistan we used a small Raven drone and it was ok. Not super reliable and it would constantly go out of range and land. Also the video quality while good would still cause things like large bushes to look like a hole or cave. For us it was a stupid toy we would use once in a while to help us land nav. That said drones have gotten a lot better since then and if you have something that has a long range, quality video and can hover you do have a great device to scout locations before you insert and to monitor rival troop activity as long as they don't have a counter.

>>32418322

Poor Ukies. Ib4 Grad on their position. ;_;

>>32427285
Odds are it is religious nutjobs who themselves have serious untreated sex addictions. That or they just live in a neighborhood where the major criminal element is hookers, but I doubt that.

People who have a need to peer into the private lives of others are the ones who will get the hobby drone market shut down.

>>32427554
All it takes is one, dumbass.

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>>32422968
>He can't make his own boards
>Or even figure out how to use other boards
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

>>32416961

Drones have no purpose whatsoever.

>>32423192
>Those rounds are the most common so after SHTF they'll take the longest to run out
Or because they're so common and so used, they'll be the first thing to disappear from use and stockpiling.
Snowflake shit is rare and snowflake, but it's nothing anyone else will want.

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>>32430499
Okay, Mr. Electrical Tech.

>>32430519
This is so dumb I'm not even going to explain why you're wrong.

>>32430643
Nice argument.

>design a drone capable of engaging in air-to-air combat.

>>32430643
If the comment were worthy of an argument I could have given one, but it's so colossally retarded that I don't want to dignify it with an actual response.

>>32430679
>>32430705
Gahh, clicked the wrong one.

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>>32427580
Insurgents are dumb as fuck. If /k/ was physically in shape and had the mental fortitude to deal with combat I'm sure it would put hajji battalions to shame.

>>32430712
First one.

Boards aren't hard to make yourself, and there's enough books on how that anyone can learn.

Using other boards? Laughably easy. Even then, there's even *more* books on how to do that. Hell, children can do it, and children are being taught to do it.

Second point.

The fact that you suggest .223 instead of 5.56 means you have no idea what you're talking about. You should honestly kill yourself.

>>32430879
> caring this much about a naming convention

okay.gif

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>>32430917
>Naming convention
>223 Remington is the same thing as 5.56 NATO and they are 100% interchangeable

Maybe not personal, but like fire-team or squad level, sure

>>32427285
>using drones to catch hookers

It's like hunting hogs from a helicopter.

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>>32431120
Top fucking kek.

>>32423422
>Including all the electronics?
Yes I solder parts 2mm x 2mm in size and BGA mount with no pins. The way to do it is hot air soldering. A computer cpu or gpu is difficult because they have 500+ connections spread over several cm. It's difficult to heat it evenly by hand and there's no way to check if every connection was soldered correctly.

If you stockpiled parts and soldering supplies you could build drones, remote turrets and many things for years without any trouble. Consumer grade equipment is better than what the military have, procurement and military approval is very slow. The only exceptions would be advanced communications and thermal imaging, you can't buy some of those.

>>32431306
Congratulations, you're far more competent than me. Electronics are black magic.

>>32431306
>The way to do it is hot air soldering.
old school

http://www.masterbond.com/techtips/conductive-epoxy-replaces-lead-soldering
new school

>>32422328
Hahaha what the fuck.

I mean why. But still that shit is funny.

>>32416961
Marginally effective for post-SHTF. You won't have very good real time vidya,so you'll be seeing old information on your computer with anything recorded.
With the limited flight time,you may be better sending scouts,although scouts in tandem with a drone could be huge. If you knew someone was out watching you, putting eyes over/behind them would be great, but that would let them know you had that capability. That might make you a sweeter target.
My 2 biggest SHTF fears are an EMP or a pandemic. If an EMP were to hit,do you have a faraday cage to protect your electronics?

>>32427554
>Garden-planted.
>Logs for mushrooms innoculated last week.
>Have a heart and conibears set.
>Set lines for fish set.
>Water drawn from the well.
>Finished splitting wood days ago.
>Foraraged for edible plants this morning.
>Guess I'll take the trail around the lake,where I've been seeing that drone flying into that neighborhood over there.
It's not all work all the time. Adventure is good for the soul.

>>32427335
>I can't hardly even fly down by my local river because the turkey vultures come from a mile away to chase the fucking thing out of the air.
You need to put a gun on it, dogfighting birds will be the sport of the future.

>>32435693
You're welcome to share a meal.
I sell drones and random electronic crap that looks like garbage but still works better than Chinese.

I don't know how far away you are and it's none of my business, but take one of these radios in case you ever need help or get attacked. I'm a fair carpenter so hit me up.

I WOULD really appreciate it if you could let me know about anyone being aggressive and hostile, I really have no time for that behaviour and I'll gladly drive them away.

>oh hey cool I'm also not an asshole let's be friends.
Awesome!
Uh, I really hope you know some women.
>no
Oh... fine then, but no homo.
>of course!