Arms race

Also, does this mean we are gonna jump start "Project pluto" again?

Is expansion really needed when the existing fleet needs some serious TLC?

I got a shit feeling that this is part of his plan to increase jobs in the US, few people were unemployed during ww2 right?

>>32415108
About fucking time, hated how every other president has been pussying around the whole nuclear armament stuff, while other countries keep building them. I say we build many as we can.

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Is that all he said? I know now that the media loves to get just one line, take it out of context and use it as a sound bite over and over to try and influence people. I doubt I'm ever getting the full picture when I read shit like this.

>>32415108
>What exactly are we gaining with another arms race?
Increased proliferation, and increased danger of nuclear terrorism as a consequence. And increased political tensions as a result of the brinkmanship, since countries like Russia and China will seek to match us.
Oh, and the loss of money. Quite alot of it. Nukes and their delivery systems aren't cheap.
That's it.

We already have more than enough nukes to accomplish the destruction of anyone who might threaten us. Building more won't change the needle of capability in any direction when it's already so far into the "Nuclear Armageddon" zone. It's essentially pointless. Which is why both the US and Russia have been decommissioning their stocks since the end of the Cold War, once we realized that having so many was expensive, useless, and only a catalyst for things nobody wanted.

In short, it's a retarded statement made by an idiotic PEOTUS completely out of his depth, and one hopes he'll renege on this. Given Trump's track record, there's a good chance this is bluster, and if it's not, the DoD will hopefully talk him out of it.

>>32415121
All the men were employed in the military and the women in the factories

>>32415108
And we will all go together when we go

>>32417228
I hope I'm just far enough to see it coming and not be able to do anything about it

>>32415123
>hated how every other president has been pussying around the whole nuclear armament stuff, while other countries keep building them.

u wot. We have the largest, most modern nuclear arsenal. Russia is the only nation that compares, and they're barely able to maintain the treaty maximum, while we're constrained by it.

There's no reason to be gung-ho about nukes publicly, because it's a complete non-issue. The United States dominates.

>>32417901
>most modern nuclear arsenal.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MEME?

Our nuclear systems are 30 to 40 years fucking old. 60 MINUTES did a fucking story about how shitty our nuke facilities and forces are. And people are claiming we have the most "modern" arsenal? Fuck off.

>>32415259
>Nukes and their delivery systems aren't cheap
That's not true. There were debates in the 1970s that said the United States didn't need a large standing army because just having nuclear weapons were cheaper than a full armed forces.

>>32417953
Dont get mad at him, he doesn't know any better. Already Russia has the ability to recycle their plutonium for power needs and they made fun of us for not being able to.

There's always a chance he's baiting other countries into investing a lot of their money and man power into nukes while the U.S. just updates their own to modern standards or does nothing at all. He could also be putting it out there now to 'lose' it later on in negotiations. I might be over estimating him though, the guy might just think nukes are pretty cool.

>>32417953
Our ICBMs are old, yes. But they're still the best ones around. The missiles and warheads have been continuously upgraded.

Our SLBMs are a bit newer. They're also the best ones around.

No other country tests their weapons systems like the United States does. No other country has the reliability that the United States does. No other country compares at all.

>>32417987
>Already Russia has the ability to recycle their plutonium for power needs and they made fun of us for not being able to.
Russia went for twenty years without that capability. They lost the infrastructure when the Soviet Union broke up. For twenty years they sold their decommissioned nukes to the United States for reprocessing, and we powered our cities with them. A decade ago, they built new facilities. They had to, because their weapons had gone unmaintained for so long that our simulations suggested most of their arsenal would fizzle if used. Even now, most of their arsenal isn't believed to be functional.

As for Russia making fun of us, it's because we started a program to replace our aging facilities, which hasn't been very successful. Cost overruns everywhere, the project is far behind schedule. We do not, however, lack the capability to remanufacture our nukes, and have been doing so continuously, throughout the period Russia was not.

>>32418147
Our nuclear forces have not been modernized or updated for two decades.

Our ICBMs are from the 70s.
Our Ohio-class subs are supposed to last only 30 years. They are now 12 years over their lifespan.
We have not tested our nuclear systems for decades.
Our fucking nuke silos use the large floppy disks and can't even get contractors to repair their vault locks.
Dems fucking blocked their own president from modernizing our nuke forces in 2011.

>>32418147
>They had to, because their weapons had gone unmaintained for so long that our simulations suggested most of their arsenal would fizzle if used. Even now, most of their arsenal isn't believed to be functional.

That's hilarious. As I've started my way through reading Command and Control I can't imagine how bad it is on the Russian side.

>>32418241

I thought Obama was the cause of that.

>>32418284
Actually, dude was going to spend cash on modernization, but dem fucking dems went full CTR on his ass.

>>32418241
>Our ICBMs are old, yes. But they're still the best ones around. The missiles and warheads have been continuously upgraded.

You never disproved this. Our systems are still the most advanced and they have been upgraded continuously through the years, you know, like damn near every plane in service. The next most powerful nuclear power is Russia and they don't even have a fully working orbital launch detection system. We are far ahead of anyone else, we new arms race would be wasteful and I doubt anyone would actually try and compete with us.

That said the infrastructure could use some sprucing up.

>>32418303
>been continuously upgraded
SIXTY FUCKING MINUTES DID A DAMNING REPORT SAYING OTHERWISE TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO
The report was so damning, even Congress got involved. We do need to upgrade our nuke systems. What kind of jingoistic ultranationalist are you that you don't understand that we need to upgrade and develop our nuclear weapons?
Even Obama, not Trump, wanted to do the same in 2011, because the damn shit hasn't been upgraded for a decade. Dems fucking blocked his ass.

>>32417953
Just because something is 30-40y/o doesn't mean it isn't modern compared to the rest of the world.
>>32417975
Just because something is less expensive than something very expensive doesn't mean it's cheap.

Why does /k/ suck so bad at basic logic?

>>32418241
We are on the cusp of another modernization cycle, which Congress has been resisting. But the situation is not as dire as you seem to think it is.

>>32418303
>That said the infrastructure could use some sprucing up.

This. If we're gonna do anything, it needs to be modernizing the silos and maybe building new subs. (Which would do a lot more for jobs then building new nukes, too.)

>>32418296

Damn, well thanks for setting me straight.

>>32418336
>>32418337
Read >>32418329
It was bad enough that a DEMOCRAT President wanted to upgrade it FIVE years ago.

>>32418336
>Just because something is less expensive than something very expensive doesn't mean it's cheap.
Yeah, they're just cheaper than everything else about our standing army.

Reminder that it costs 1 million bucks per soldier upkeep per year. When deployed, the number is 2.1 million per soldier. There's a reason why governments not just in the US, but our allies considered just having nuclear weapons rather than a standing army. Because they are cheaper than a standing army.

>>32418329
>SIXTY FUCKING MINUTES DID A DAMNING REPORT SAYING OTHERWISE TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO
That was about how our silos weren't being maintained very well. Shit's old, nigga. It does need to be replaced. It will be, soon enough.

The military was playing up the deficiencies to put pressure on Congress to approve funding. You got propaganda'd.

There isn't going to be an arms race. Putin backed down and said he doesn't want one. Donald knows that the last time there was a nuclear arms race, the U.S., already the most powerful nation in the world, grew more powerful, and the USSR ceased to exist. He's just threatening one to show Putin that he's not going to be a bitch about it like every other politician. His words are just as much deterrent as the nukes themselves.

>>32418395
>implying the antiwar liberal mainstream media carries water for the Pentagon

>>32418361
Ohio's are to be retired in a little over ten years from now, they're holding up pretty well but if a replacement is made in half that time I wouldn't complain. The Colombia class is on schedule though.

>>32418380
>Reminder that it costs 1 million bucks per soldier upkeep per year. When deployed, the number is 2.1 million per soldier.

Really? For 12 soldiers you could run a high tier western frigate for a year. Wtf that doesn't add up.

>>32418398
Trump actually called Putin's bluff and Putin backed down almost immediately, saying "we won't spend too much money" the next day. I have to tell ya, Trump might be more of a strategical genius that we might have thought.

Where's Oppenheimer?

>>32418421
United States puts a high premium on our troops. Also, naval ships don't get financial and other benefits. Troops do.

>>32418434
What would he know about this situation though?

>>32418406
It's not that hard to sucker them. Show them a broken blast door and some floppies, and they freak out. That's par for the course, though.

>>32418421
Our soldiers really get a lot of money spent on them, huh? That's a lot of money.

>>32418454
At the very least provide an accurate overview of the actual state of our nuclear deterrent.

>>32418473

From what he's said in the past, America's deterrent is in need of some desperate tender, love and care.

>>32418428
wtf i love trump now

>>32415108
This thread needs a lot more Oppenheimer in it.

>>32418428
Putin basically said that he wasn't dumb enough to engage in a completely unnecessary unclear arms race. If Trump actually thought other leaders would take the statement seriously thats laughable, but if he spends a massive amount of money on nuclear weapons that we don't actually need and no other country reciprocates with spending of their own then he really is a tremendous idiot.

>>32418534
That's not what he said.
Putin initially said that Russia has to expand and modernize their nuclear weapons to be able to bypass defenses now and in the future.

Trump replied afterwards that we should also do the same until people wise up about nukes. When asked to clarify, all he said was if you want an arms race, let's have an arms race.

Putin said in his year-end press conference is that he does not want an arms race and considering domestic issues, he will not spend much money in such an arms race.

He didn't say he was dumb enough or whatever implication you made. He diplomatically backed down to Trump's challenge.

>>32418567
>He diplomatically backed down to Trump's challenge.

I see the news reports. Unusual for Putin to say that publicly but again most news from the US wont be visible for average Russians and the US news still screaming bloody murder.

It still wont change much, Putin has been known to make nice on public but his actions so far indicate otherwise.

>>32418147
>>32418241
actually obama signed a 30 years plan to modern the arsenal.

>>32418692
News reports? How is it unusual for him to say that? Putin is mostly a straight talking guy at his annual multihour press conferences.
Also, if you've studied guys like Kissinger and many other Cold War politicians, you would have known that Putin would have invaded Ukraine when McCain and the EU literally fomented the downfall of the pro-Russian government in Ukraine. You wanna start WW3? Fuck around in Ukraine.
Putin has to help Syria, since they have the only Russian warm water base in the Mediterranean.
Georgia did attack Russian "peacekeepers" in South Ossetia first.

What did you expect them to do? Everything they have done since 2007 made sense.

I have not actually seen much that was provoked by the Russians first if we examine US and UK news.

On the other hand, Putin is also a transactional guy like Trump. If they manage to negotiate a deal, it would probably turn into a signed deal that stops NATO from expanding eastward while Russia stops buzzing our allies in exchange.

>>32418736
Money hasn't gone anywhere yet, and that's a problem. The feds sign things all the time, but you need money for them to actually happen.

>>32417975
>There were debates in the 1970s that said the United States didn't need a large standing army because just having nuclear weapons were cheaper than a full armed forces.
A) A meaningless addendum, since Trump isn't recommending that we swap our conventional forces for ICBMs. He's saying we need more nukes. Where are those billions going to come from? The same place we're going to get money for a 5th Gen Super Hornet, I imagine.

B) Guess why we didn't rely on nukes instead of conventional militaries? Nukes are useless, 99.9% of the time.
Try playing chicken in the South China Sea or in Ukraine with nukes. You can't. They're a 0-100 asset. You drop them, congrats, WW3. You don't, and they aren't a substitute for, say, an aircraft carrier establishing facts on the ground.

Trump can never win with Never Trumpers.
First, he's a tool for Putin.
Now, he's trying to start an arms race with Putin.

>>32418806
>Where are those billions going to come from?
Did you just forget the independent report about how the Pentagon "misuses" $125 billion every year? That's a quarter of the Pentagon's annual budget.

>>32418567
this all happened in the span of one day? either Trump's a genius or it's staged.

>>32415259

Yeah, all that anti-proliferation stuff sure stopped NK, and also Saudi Arabia from buying off the shelf from Pakistan

>>32418842
4 days

>>32418814
Maybe he should stop giving people a solid reasons to believe those things and just show his birth certificate

>>32418849
2 countries out of 190. Not bad

WILL DONALD DISAVOW DONALD?!

>>32418862

Meaning, it hasn't worked, simply because when a country gets to a certain level, they can get nukes if they want.

The US increasing numbers isn't going to put them in the wrong hands.

>>32418830
There is no amount of money which could fall into the lap of the US which would make engaging in a nuclear arms race a smart idea. It's not only pointless, it's arguably counterproductive. The US gets nothing, nada, zip, from having a hat on its head that says "biggest nuke arsenal". It just ups the chance of proliferation, and something going "missing".

At a time when the US finds itself increasingly competing in the conventional domain with adversaries catching up, focusing on conventional forces (you know, the ones that US can actually use in wartime and peacetime) gets far more bang for the buck.

>>32418842
>Putin initially said that Russia has to expand and modernize their nuclear weapons to be able to bypass defenses now and in the future.
Happened yesterday.
>Trump replied afterwards that we should also do the same until people wise up about nukes.
Happened within a couple of hours after Putin gave his nuke statement.
>When asked to clarify, all he said was if you want an arms race, let's have an arms race.
Happened after half a day later.
>Putin said in his year-end press conference is that he does not want an arms race and considering domestic issues, he will not spend much money in such an arms race.
Putin gives this reply to Trump's clarification within an hour or two of it being made.

It happened around the span of one day, so you're kinda right.

>>32418849
>>32418880
>>32418862
the anti-proliferation treaty also serve as a way to limit the amount of fund going into nuclear program. It's easier to do that when your closest rival also agree to limit their arsenal.

>>32418567
Trump asks Putin "want to go bankrupt by wasting your money on a useless arms race?". Putin says no.

Wow Trump is a master diplomatician.

There won't be an arms race because no one else will end up spending any money on more weapons, we'll just be shoveling money into a fire if he's dumb enough to go through with it.

>>32418902
Your question was "WHERE THE FUCK THE MONEY GONNA COME FROM?"
A quarter of the current Pentagon budget is being "misused" by the Pentagon. You can literally fund Trump's policy plans with just that.

>>32418880
Yet only 2 out of 190 have so it's as good as its gonna get

>>32418912
He got Putin to back down from a much harder stance that was made a day before. That is hard to do. The West hasn't been able to do that for his entire fucking political career since he was Bush 43's best friend.

>>32418917
>You can literally fund Trump's policy plans with just that.
Waste exists perennially in all bureaucracies. That's not money you can just "tap into" like some magical "waste fund".

>Trump will make things more efficient! He'll get all the money!
>Citation needed

But it doesn't matter either way. Even if the US could get it, it would be a poor investment, as previously noted.

>>32418951
>independent report finds government waste that is ONE QUARTER the agency's budget
>B-but you can't just raid those inefficiencies because that's the way things have worked for decades!
And that's why Trump got voted into power. Because of people who keep saying "You can't do that!"

>>32418932
Putin's stance before and after the debacle was that Russia would continue to modernize its weapons and replace some of its aging hardware, the only difference is that now they are saying that they will not allow themselves to be drawn into an arms race.

So it's gonna be Cold War: 21st century edition?

>>32418968
No, Putin said that while the arms race goes on, he won't spend as much money on it. He didn't say he won't get dragged into one, he'll just not spend as much. And the stance before also included an expansion of their capabilities to make sure they can penetrate current and future defenses.

>>32418986
Putin already said no to having a really hard arms race.

>>32418960
>He's a miracle worker! He'll do it! It's all here, in my magical jar which tells the future!
And your magic ball also tells you that Congress won't slash the defense budget once all waste disappears? You should work at Delphi.

But it doesn't matter. Since even in this unbelievable, incredible situation where all waste disappears from the DoD, nukes are still a bad investment.

>>32418998
Aw shucks

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>>32418998
The Russkies always back off if you call their bluff.

>>32419004
>implying Congress will slash that defense budget completely
Even just half of that 125 billion a year would be good enough for Trump. Our current nuclear stockpile's maintenance are around 30 billion a year.

THE ELECTION IS OVER. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE PAID ANY MORE.

>>32418998
>>32418992
>>32419016
it's still a step back from the pre-existing nuclear treaty we have with Russia, that Reagan negotiate.

We are getting played. This is literally Putin haggling to get out of the treaty. First he aimed high and then go lower.

>>32418992
>he won't spend as much money on it. He didn't say he won't get dragged into one, he'll just not spend as much.

I'm not sure I follow. I was saying that the Russians were saying that they wouldn't be dragged into a costly new arms race and would continue to develop weapons at their current rate and not get carried away. Really an arms race can be measured by the funds and resources that both sides devote, if only one side actually increases their efforts than it isn't really an arms "race".

I've been keeping up with Russian nuclear capability for a few years now, since around when the first Borei was launched and their development process is one that has been pretty consistent and steady. There was never any real indication that any significant increase in development was occurring, or would even be allowed to occur.

>>32419042
>implying the Russians were even following the treaty that were signed decades ago
Also, the Russians already deployed 250 warheads above any treaty we have signed with them right now.
Trump's just setting a new bar: If you fuck with US, we'll just build more nukes.

>>32419056
Did you miss both of Putin's speeches/conferences in the last 36 hours?

>>32419042
>We are getting played
The Russians are already violating those treaties. While I think we can work with them in nuclear disarmament, we can't just say we're getting something good out of this.
Trump has the right idea. If other countries don't follow the rules, we also break the rules.

>>32418329
>>32418380
The US warheads and buses have been upgraded many times.
New pits are produced all the time to support SLEPs.

Our command and control systems have older legacy systems and elements that could be replaced.

Our nuclear forces are fully capable of performing their assigned missions. There is no capability that Russia or China has that the US lacks.

>>32419070
>>32419112
> the Russians already deployed 250 warheads
>The Russians are already violating those treaties

and after this whole mess, 250 new warhead is going to seem "reasonable".

>>32415108
Yeah I'm sure this is legit and not just sabre rattling to shitpost IRL in the press

I feel like journalists are asking Trump these kinds of questions in order to trap him with some kind of clickbait titled "HOT SCOOPS" to reinforce their lie that he's a loose cannon who will nuke the middle east over trivial reasons. Did Obama get asked crap like this too and I just don't remember anyone talking about it?

>>32419373
trump hasn't even had a press conference since the election. All the clickbait title is just him on twitter.

>>32418410
I wouldn't mind if the Columbia's had 24 silos.

>>32418567
Is the GPS guided B61 very useful? I mean it would turn all our stealth fighters into strategic systems, able to place the nuke very close to the target.

>>32417901
Lol at this guy saying we have a modern nuclear arsenal. How clueless can one guy be? Holy shit.

I noticed that Putin was talking about matching any military threat which might assail Russia. After Trump's shitpost, Vlad responded with, "Of course we weren't talking about the U.S."

What are the odds that the U.S. actually wasn't the threat that ol' Papa Putin was referring to?

I notice that he (Putin) is president of a country with few warm water ports and most of those in precarious territory. This whole Syria business has been about a warm water port. Could he be worried about his Pacific coast near China?

>>32419160
Hi OPpenheimer. Nice to see you out of retirement.

>>32418406
They literally do though.

>>32419525
Putin is trying isolate the US from NATO and china. He's pretty good at manipulating Trump.

Trump also have a fetish at grabbing China's sore point. I find it hard to believe Putin and Trump are not coordinating somehow.

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>>32418917
>WHERE THE FUCK THE MONEY GONNA COME FROM?
It's not like the govt can just make money appear out of thin air.

>>32419669
So... those CTR checks still clearing?

>>32418567
>>32418534

Since we're allies now, why don't we simply share nukes and point them all at China? Realistically, they're the only target worth using them on, and the objective of the B-21 is hardly subtle, while sharing nuclear technology would go a long way towards reparing US/Russo relations.

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>>32415108
>>32419160

Oppenheimer. What's your opinion on this? Should we be worried?

>>32419714

>It's not like the govt can just make money appear out of thin air.

It can't. The Federal Reserve controls the supply of cash.

>>32420054
>((((Eichenwald))))
It never fuckin' fails.

>>32420054
Just more fear mongering leftist bullshit

>>32420054
>Unironically believing Kikenwald

This is the same faggot who thinks gifs are assault

>>32420054
Kek, turns out liberals are also tinfoil hat users. The Pro-Russia guys in US government are General Flynn and Rex Tillerson. Trump will go where the money is, if Russia can't offer business or money, Trump will go somewhere else.

>>32420054
>Stuxnet SSH keys
Imagine I just told you like AR15 cooling condenser unit.

That is exactly what that sounds like

>>32415108
ABM's and our ICBM's work a lot better with our satellite network operational.

To counter this Russia and China both are openly working on anti-satellite weapons.

>>32420197

>To counter this Russia and China both are openly working on anti-satellite weapons.

Any military worthy of mention already has anti-satellite capability, and yes that definitely includes Russia, China, United States, India, Britain, India, France, etc. It's not really something that is hard to do. Satellites travel in a predictable path, they have no armor, no weapons, no defense of any kind. They are an easy target for missiles.

>>32420236
Well yeah that's the point, you need to rebuild the shield when someone is able to get around it. This is just an extension of MAD until we reach Project Pluto tier scramjet nukes and by then everyone else with have either collapsed economically/politically/socially or know it's worth more to cooperate with the US than oppose their interests. It's neo-liberalism at its finest.

>>32420328

>until we reach Project Pluto tier scramjet nukes

Modern ICBM's are already far more devastating that what was planned for Project Pluto. That would be a downgrade.

>>32420511
It's not about the devastation, it's the speed. Knowing if you fuck up bad enough and that you & your government will cease to be in under 10 minutes and there is literally nothing you could do about it exerts a lot of fear and fear is how for better or worse you control what nations can do without invading them.

Non-retarded people will see the benefit of cooperation over insubordination and by that point nobody will have the capital needed to resist by any real means.

>>32420119
>Trump will go where the money is, if Russia can't offer business or money, Trump will go somewhere else.

isn't that the biggest reason Trump is trying to lift the sanction? And Putin would be more than happy to help Trump's business in the US if it mean getting a back door.

>>32420054
You're literally believing a lying asshole who said he lied about claims he said about Trump, because he wanted to joke about the guy while defaming him?
The fact that the MSM hasn't pilloried this guy for actually making real FAKE news is all you need to know about that fuck,

>>32417953
minuteman III came out in '62 I think

>>32421849
Damn, that's old.

>>32415259
>Given Trump's track record, there's a good chance this is bluster,

Ummm?

>>32421849
It was actually 1970. Minuteman I came out 1962. Then again the F-15 is from 1972, yet through continuous upgrades still remains a first rate aircraft to this day. The current Minuteman III is still on top.

>>32419373
Crooked msnbc tricked him into posting on twitter huh

>>32420054
>Trump wants to castrate the USA into a Russian vassal state and then nuke it
How do these people look at themselves in the mirror?

>>32422018
Fuck off, CTR.

>>32419160
OPpie, if a "reasonable" amount of funding were to be provided (over and above that needed just to complete already-planned projects such as Columbia), where would be the best (nuclear-related) place to spend it?

What needs money?

>>32419453
Yes.

>>32419525
Syria is about Europe.
Mostly.

>>32420054
That is the dumbest thing I have read on the internet.
Including /pol/

>>32420197
ICBMs dont need sats.

>>32422600
New common warhead design with new bus.
Testing program for said new warhead.
Moving current pit production from LANL to a seperate facility.

>>32422600
>>32422934
How old is our current arsenal and what kind of shape is it in, as long as you're here? k/k does a lot of griping about it.

>>32422948
Some parts are very old, but the warheads are rebuilt with new pits and limited upgrades from time to time.

There is no capability that Russia or China has that the US lacks.

>>32415112
Let us only hope

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto

>>32415108
China is trying to compete with us now obviously. Russia is also updating it's nuclear delivery systems while we keep our thumbs comfortably snug up our arseholes. I don't think it's a bad thing we got to keep the lead to keep the peace.

>>32423233
How have we been keeping our thumbs up our butts? Those nukes haven't exactly pushed society forward. They just sit there in their silos with incompetent handlers. What more do you want from an unneeded party of the military?

>>32423302
>deterrence is unneeded
You could literally use the same argument about having guns for self-protection.
How the fuck can /k/ even make this argument?

>>32423322
It's neo-/k/.

Which opposes everything Trump does.

>>32415115
>Is expansion really needed when the existing fleet needs some serious TLC?

"Expansion of capability" doesn't necessarily mean "have more of them;" in fact, in the context of the condition of America's present arsenal, it's quite likely that isn't what it means at all.

>Trump hires more generals
IT'S A MILITARY COUP!
>Trump wants to expand the military
IT'S POLICE STATE
>Trump says Putin is good
PUTIN IS THE DEVIL!
>Trump says China is bad
DUMB TRUMP, DOES HE WANT A WAR WITH CHINA?
>Trump says F35 is overspent
IT'S NOT, TRUMP IS AN IDIOT!
>Lockheeb says it's going to lower price after Trump talks with them
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN EITHER WAYS, TRUMP DID NOTHING

Modern /k/ might as well be renamed cucks.

>Trump threatens an arms race against Russia
>WARMONGER!

And just last weak they were saying he was a coward for not standing up to Russia

>>32423378
I know right. Why the fuck is CTR still on /k/? Trump is already president elect officially.

>>32423453
A lot of people are intellectually dishonest. They just hate Trump and don't want to admit to it.

>>32415165
Part of the problem is that Trump avoids news conferences like the plague and communicates chiefly through Twitter. Hard to have a lot of depth in 140 characters.

>>32423536
What is CTR?

>>32423709
Correct The Record. It literally is, or was, Hillary Clinton's campaign of paying people to shill for her on the internet.

>>32423581
For as smart as he is, he doesn't like conversations that aren't scripted. I think he is just a 1 track mind kinda person and shifting gears quickly isn't his thing. We all have our flaws

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>>32420119
>Russia
>offer business

Almost every foreign investor is gettingTFO Russia while they can, because they've (re)acquired this nasty habit of nationalizing private assets.

>>32423581
>Trump avoids news conferences like the plague
What? He had an in-depth interview with his archnemesis New York Times less than a month ago, where the NYT criticized every answer he gave.
He has answered questions directly when asked at his hotels.
Heck, the only reason we even know about his "let it be an arms race" statement is because he was literally asked about it in a morning show today.

If anything, he's the most mass media transparent POTUS we've had in almost 20 years. He doesn't even check with advisers before answering media questions.

>>32423716
From the looks of it, they're still functioning today.

>>32423752
>If anything, he's the most mass media transparent POTUS we've had in almost 20 years.

You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me anon. He hasn't had an official press conference in a long time and all his media interviews last as long as the elevator door is open. He went to the NYT to ask them to be nicer to him even though that's not the news job. You don't see Obongo begging fox to chill out

>>32423716
Thanks. I lost interest in the elections other than the down ballot last year. To be honest i just kept getting that one south park stuck in my head even before nominations started. You know the election for the school mascot.
Guess i will have an opinion of trump when i can understand what it is he wants to do. Until then i am going to sit back and hope for the best.

>>32423769
The NYT was an actual interview and not at the elevator door. It was also an interview done by the most anti-Trump news organization. He has answered questions just about every time he stepped outside from his hotels AND the answer he gave directly at Morning Joe today was done straight off the bat with no consultation from anyone.

He doesn't answer with scripts. He just answers them. Stop lying. Even Bush wasn't this forward.

>>32423769
To Trump's defense, an in-depth interview with the NYT is like Obama having Sean Hannity interview him. Trump made a much harder choice than a regular press conference.

>>32423861
Not really. A press conference would be televised and the press corps are chomping at the bit to embarrass him for the fraud he is.

Helen Thomas would tear him a new asshole if she were still alive.

>>32423880
>NYT does an interview of Trump
>they shit on every single answer he makes
>easier than a televised press conference
Also, you've clearly not seen Trump do press conferences. He shouts you down if you're getting on his case. And since he got elected on his bravado against the press, it will probably just be another victory for him.
Showing your CTR colors there, anon.

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>>32420054
>access to US nukes by handing over stuxnet SSH key
Fucking rich

>>32423378
It's only the recent crossboarders.

>>32423904
>Trump will shit his pants on live television if you make him mad
>another victory
Well, it's hard to refute that logic.

>>32423848
>He doesn't answer with scripts. He just answers them. Stop lying.

You don't watch him at rallies telling himself to stay on script? At least listen to what the guy had to say outside of tweets anon

>>32417953
The thing is, their age makes them secure. They physically cannot connect to the internet and good luck making something that is compatible with the ports

>>32423963
Rallies are different from press conferences. Ain't no one asking questions and it's more about keeping the crowd happy. Hence, him getting out of script.
>>32423922
A lot of people actually loved his fights with his press conferences, especially the SIT DOWN event with the Telemundo or some Spanish-language channel journalist that challenged him.
And even with those antics, he got elected, so obviously he did something right and didn't "shit his pants" at all.

You again, show, that you haven't watched the 2016 campaigns of both candidates.

>>32424436
That is a very good point.

>>32423716
No one is being paid to shill for Hillary by the way. It's a Republican-funded lie and a pathetic attempt to smear her campaign.

>>32424905
I don’t care for trump but she did the smearing of herself on her own. So did trump but i guess i guy bragging about cheating on his wife does not matter anymore.

>>32422934
>New common warhead design with new bus.
>Testing program for said new warhead.

will there have to be a full-scale test if we make a new warhead?

>>32418692
>Unusual for Putin to say that publicly
Likely a show of faith before Trump takes office

>>32418858
>Maybe he should stop giving people a solid reasons to believe those things and just show his birth certificate
How are you any different than the people doing this EXACT same thing to Obama?

>>32418842
Neither, It was Russia stating they need to remain a credible nuclear power

Media interpret this as "THE REDS ARE AT IT AGAIN!"
Trump shows a strong response

Putin's response essentially "That sounded worse than it did in my head, Trump we still wanna be friends"

>>32425094
Yes

>>32418567

So, Trump called Putin's bluff and Putin backed down in a day?

>>32425405
Watching both interviews, it seems like it.

>>32415108
We already knew that Russia was making their nukes better equipped.

Jesus what the fuck is wrong with our media.

>Clamoring for us to get in a war with Russia
>Now they're complaining that upgrading our most important strategic asset against Russia is going to lead us into war

>>32425029
Isn't Bill Clinton still famous despite doing that?

>>32428152
No, it's probably because Putin said on TV that Russia will become stronger than any threat to it, after talking about the nukes. That's what Trump responded to, probably.

>>32428167
Oh so he used "threatening" words. Is the correct course of action then to not say "we'll match you?"

Is Cold War Doctrine outdated already?

>>32428180
Actually, we won the Cold War by doing the same shit Trump is doing. It's like people forgot the crazy shit Reagan did that scared the Soviets (and our allies) when he became POTUS.

>>32428155
Bill Clinton is famous, not sure if popular.

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>>32428234
I'm just surprised the media doesn't understand they're de-legitimizing themselves.

>THE RUSSIANS HACKED THE ELECTION WE BETTER GO TO WAR WITH THEM
>THE RUSSIANS ARE GENOCIDING SYRIANS WE BETTER GO TO WAR WITH THEM
>OH MY GOD TRUMP TALKED ABOUT MATCHING NUKES TO RUSSIA IS THIS THE COLD WAR AGAIN?

>>32428234
Not exactly.

Regan's spending spree caused Soviets to also increase their spending to fund their gigantic war machine. This in turn caused people in the Soviet Union to turn their backs as soon as a major political crisis happened. No support from the average person plus elements of the government were so apathetic that no amount of help would fix an otherwise an increasingly corrupt government. So when it fell, only the hardliners tried, everyone else went meh.

The Soviet Union collapsed because people got sick and tired of communism. It collapsed with a whimper. US just postured and the Soviet Union tripped on its own feet.

>>32418147
mmm I'd love to fondle some 1950s-60s era manufactured ICBM components.

>>32415108

US doesn't need nuclear expansion of any sort, but it certainly needs nuclear modernization. Land and air based parts of US nuclear have been neglected since end of Cold War. Retiring AGM-129 ACM and LGM-118 Peacekeeper were massive mistakes. Only part of US strategic deterrence that is reasonably modern compared to other nuclear powers is Trident.

>>32428329
Trident replacement soon anon. Bongs are making their SLBM tubes for their next gen SSBN common with the upcoming US SSBN.

I'm all for it if it means that other important nations actually do ANYTHING at all with their military and start modernizing.

>>32428668
The only other nations who would consider doing anything would be adversaries.
In fact, it would probably make allies with nuclear arsenals spend less on their own defense, and rely on the US even more.

>>32428329
>Retiring AGM-129 ACM ... massive mistakes
I'm hearing murmurs of JSOW-ER being the next air-launch nuke carrier