So.... has there been a thread about this?

Yes, and it will never happen.

He just wants Lockheed to come on bended knee just like Boeing did.

POTUS doesn't decide military acquisition. He just commands forces. Sure, he could veto the next defense budget, but that is many months from now.

>>32414083
>POTUS doesn't decide military acquisition
Not normally, but he can push for something if he really wanted to.

>>32414191
No, not in his capacity. Congress makes the budgets, pushed money towards certain acquisitions. POTUS has no control over the military budget except either signing it or vetoing it.

>>32414287
Little more fine grained than that.

POTUS gets to say "If you changed this and this and this, I would not veto it."

Give and take.

But I think the necessary parties have super majority to nullify his veto, so we'll see.

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>YOU CAN'T KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE
>WHO CARES IF IT CAN ONLY GO HALF AS FAST AS AN F-15
>MILLIONS OF JOBS DEPEND ON IT
>YOU CAN'T KILL IT
>YOU JUST CAN'T

that's where you're wrong kiddo

Yo, I realize you guys decided to go full retard on this election (not that you really had much of a choice) but please don't fuck the F-35 up for everyone else that is acquiring them.

Don't be like France.

>>32414083
Don't be so sure about that. Mattis has seen his beloved corps eaten alive by this lead turkey.

They will kill it.

>>32414332
Thanks for Correcting the Record.

>>32414332
This bird is as good as dead. You're going to have to find a real job soon. I'd start searching now.

Check the fucking catalog you absolute piece of shit fucking garbage cancer shitposter.

Triggered, saged, reported, hidden, called the cops, called my friend and bitched, announced vexations on irc, sage in all fields etc etc.


Just to contribute:

Competition is always good, but it's too late in the game now. Shit would've been faster and cheaper if the Pentagon didn't try to screw Lockheed and then get btfo in court, but that's another issue entirely.

Part of how the US does intsec/geopol is absolutely retarded amounts of innovation and sparing little to no expense in warfare development. It's gotten to the point that whether or not it's 9001% overkill for what we'll ask the airframe to do is 100% irrelevant to why we're fucking building it.

Also the tech developed on this thing is fucking cool, and will eventually make it's way down to the civilian world just like every other major military project in history.

>>32414317
>WHO CARES IF THE THINGS IT'S REPLACING ARE LITERALLY STARTING TO FALL OUT OF THE SKY DUE TO THE AGE OF THE AIRFRAME

I can greentext too.

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>>32414347
Fucking picture got eaten:

>>32414347
> but it's too late in the game now

Wrong. Now is the perfect time to cancel it. Before they start pouring billions into retrofitting the already built but not working F-35s.

>>32414349
are you retarded? Why would brand new built super hornets fall out of the sky?

>>32414353
>Retrofitting a brand new fucking plane
>Not knowing what retrofit is

>Not taking the actual two seconds it takes to think about how much more resource-intensive it will be to shitcan one Gen 6 project and have Boeing begin a brand new one from scratch with nothing

Please, /k/omrade, tell me another retarded opinion that won't stand up to basic scrutiny

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>>32414358
>he doesn't know what concurrency is

Yes. The already built F-35s have to be taken apart and rebuilt to fix the flaws that came up during the tests.

>>32414358
>will be to shitcan one Gen 6 project and have Boeing begin a brand new one from scratch

Who says they will start from scratch? The advanced super hornet is already more capable than the F-35 will ever be.

>>32414347
>>32414350
Looks like he posted after I did.

Maybe you should complain in his thread, faggot?

>>32414334
Mattis has not said one god damn thing about the F-35 you fuckwit.

The F-35 is a good fucking plane! Better than anything else in the world including the F-22!

Wow.

Just accept the fact that the F-35 is dead and move on.

And to all lockmart shills that will lose their jobs. I hear that Boeing is hiring.

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Hail the turkey slayer.

>>32414287
The government can cancel contracts at will and have wide latitude to do so at their discretion.

Now is not a good time to be investing in defense suppliers.

>>32414499
Looks like he's 'slain' a lot of turkeys desu.

Few thousand cows too.

>>32414512
They can.

You just don't, unless you're comfortable with no having a timely replacement. Which the US isn't, nor should be.

it sounds like he's pressuring lockheed into lowering the bill for the F-35 by saying he'll take his business elsewhere

>>32414637
This isn't a contract for business cards.

There isn't an alternative that won't take 20 years to complete or be shit-tier. He's too dumb to realise that doesn't work

>>32414356
When they're hit with any number of SAMs cause lol nostealth

Jesus, Trump is a doofus.

>>32414666
>Yes goy, just let lockheed fuck you over, Trump is such a dummy for trying to lower costs
What kind of fucking retard thinks that this is a bad idea, jesus

>he's too dumb to realize that doesn't work
He's far smarter than any of us.

Durrrr lets talk nuclear politics on twitter

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811977223326625792

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I see this thread is hosting all the Bern Outs and Hillary Holdouts.

>>32414765
'Give me lower prices or I'll go to the competition' only works if there IS a competition you mouth breather.

It's not happening. There are already training squadrons with active F-35s. There is no leverage, all he's doing is pissing around

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>>32414334
>They will kill it.

It’s too late to cancel the the F-35A and C models for the Air Force and Navy but Trump ought to absolutely cancel the even more expensive F-35B for the Marines.

The vertical landing capability is nothing more than meme just as it was for the Harrier, as it so seriously cripples both the range and payload that it’ll only be used for showing off at air shows.

But more importantly; it ain’t the Marines job to be some kinda half-assed Jr.Navy.

Naval airpower must remain the purview Navy and must be based on fully-capable super-carriers, not neutered babbby carriers that also have neutered amphibious capabilities (the entire reason for the Marines…) due to the need to support the F-35B Boondoggle.

>>32414823
>too late to cancel the the C model

Wrong. Now is the perfect time to cancel. Before they dump this shit plane onto the carriers.

>>32414823
Lol

>>32414835
There are already training squadrons with the C model doing conversion training, drumpfkins.

Not tol

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>>32414792
>mfw the media says Bernie can't win
>mfw we can still prevent congress from certifying the results
It's not even close to over, Trumpkins.

>>32414816
> only works if there IS a competition
If there isn't competition, you start competition. Hence, "I called boeing to come up with a comparable f-18".

Will it work ? We will see.

But it's obvious that Trump didn't just come up with the plan.

Yesterday he had a meeting with admirals and generals, and the subject of the discussion was how to bring down military costs, and especially, F-35 costs.

>>32414855
I bet the navy and the marines told him they don't want it.

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>>32414854
>Libshits are ready to lose a 4th time this election

>>32414855
There isn't a comparable f-18.

It doesn't exist.

You can't make the f-18 comparible to the f-35.

>tfw liberals, who had previously wanted to convert all the money used by the Military into welfare for niggers, want to defend the most expensive weapons system in history because Trump hates it.

>>32414855
>If there isn't competition

What. The super hornet outperforms the F-35 in every metric. Expect stealth where the F-35 is slightly ahead.

>>32414869
Yes, you can, lockheeb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F-15SE_Silent_Eagle

>this kills the Lockheed Jew

>>32414875
Yes, and that isn't compatible.

>>32414875
>There isn't a comparable f-18
>Yes there is, here's a modified f-15!!

Makes you think, trumpykins

>>32414879
It proves you don't need your fancy dedicated stealth fighter designs, though.

>>32414882
>>32414879
F-18 Advanced Super Hornet.

Better leave while you still can, redditors.

>>32414874
>F-35 is """slightly""" ahead of the f-18 in RCS

This is the level of delusion we're working with folks

>>32414884
>>32414887

>Can modify a 4th gen to have better RCA and some new avionics
>This makes it as good as a 5th gen


Hahahaha

>>32414893
>YOU NEED OUR SUPER EXPENSIVE DESIGN, GOY
>GOY WHERE ARE YOU GOING?
>GOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>32414888
Exactly. The F-35 is a lot less stealthy than you want it to be. Especially with the bumps that have grown on its underbelly over the years.

>>32414871
a closer investigation into other threads actually reveals that most people defending lockheed actually parrotted points like "hurr durr muh tax returns", "hurr durr trump is not a good business man", etc

It's pretty fucking incredible how liberals defend the military industrial complex because Trump isn't sucking their cock.

>>32414897
Might be confusing the f-35 with yourself

>>32414896
It's cheap.

Development was expensive, but that's all spent already.

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>tfw you cancel the lead turkey and there is nothing the lockshills can do about it

>>32414909
>96 million per

>cheap

>>32414914
...Yes?

What the fuck do you think the alternatives cost, retard?

>>32414918
>THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES TO LOCKHEED GOY

The Hornet costs 60 mil per.

>>32414666

>Trump
>Dumb
>Self-Made Billionaire
>Managed to snag an election despite having Hollywood, Mainstream Media and 2 Political Dynasties against him.
>meanwhile you post on a chinese airsoft forum

yeah.

>>32414920
The legacy hornet?

You think that's a fucking alternative?

Guess it's officially a troll thread then. Peace.

>>32414927
You won't be missed.

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>>32414906
Just look at this shit.

The airframe is so tiny they have stuff modules into semi external little fat pockets. Completely killing the RCS.

It's gotten so bad they might as well carry the missiles externally.

>>32414925
> self made
> daddy have him a few million

>>32414940

lol

G A R B A G E
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>>32414947
According to forbes, Trump is a 5 out of 10 in the "self-made" score, which means that he could be considered "self-made" under circumstances.

Forbes considers those with a score higher than 5 to be self made.

He isn't really the definition of self-made, but he's a pretty good businessman.

What alternatives are there for Singapore, since lightining is killed. Buy the PAKFA that's supposedly 90 mil each ?

>>32414992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2

>>32415002
Probably the moron that suggested legacy hornets earlier

>>32415002
Probably not for export.

Isn't it quite close to the F16? What are the differences?

>>32414823
>Richest country in the world which actively starts and participates in wars on a regular basis
>Removing the Marines' ability to coordinate and control their own aircover and resupply and handing it to another branch with their own interests and ideals

>>32414976
>He isn't really the definition of self-made, but he's a pretty good businessman.

I have no issue with that statement. He knows the system well. Its just Daddy giving you a few million and letting you sit in on his meetings and use his connections wasnt my idea of "self made".

>>32414334

Mattis is on the board of directors of General Dynamics.
Thats the company that makes the F35's cannon.

You think he'll kill a gigantic contract for General Dynamics?

>>32415440
Do you think he'll kill a program that delivers a proper fighter for the Marines?

Fuck Drumpf and white people

>>32414378
>The advanced super hornet is already more capable than the F-35 will ever be.
>IMPLYING

>>32414378
>The advanced super hornet is already more capable than the F-35 will ever be.
And here we see anon make a total fool of himself.

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>>32414005
y the fuck not This

geez

its like choosing to play a game on a harder difficulty when you have easier options already available

>>32417462
WHAT IS THIS A PLANE FOR ANTS?

Where are the people supposed to sit?

>>32415043
Don't forget the numerous bailouts of millions of dollars when Donald went broke.

>>32415440

Mattis probably agrees behind closed doors that the contract should be cancelled. But because of internal politics yknow, he's not going to say a damn thing.

Besides any aircraft cannon thats under 30mm is obsolete since they're more useful for going after ground targets (and 20mm doesnt cut the mustard and it fires too fast)

>>32414695
F-15se has amount of stealth close to f-35, f/a-18 can be modernized same way.

>>32417487
Uhhh, his beloved corps NEEDS the f-35.

>>32417510
>F-15se has amount of stealth close to f-35

Nope.

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>>32414666
oh hello there

Yeah the dude has an IQ of 156, I say he's smoking somebody out with this to get a reaction, looking to see who jumps and makes calls the most.


>>32415043
>>32417486

So?

It may be unheard of for somebody to double-cross big business but its not impossible for the choice to be made.

I think I know where Trumps heart is in all of this and he's made deals all over the map. Alot of them are double crosses. And I think alot of the people he's appointed as advisors have also given their former masters a middle finger, or at least turned double agent.

If they havent managed to kill trump yet, there isnt much they can do to threaten him.

>>32414788
Trump knows about the Micro-Nukes now and what they can do.
> plutonium based
> b a s e d w e a p o n r y
> about 50-500 tons yield, fits in a duffle bag
> not much good for anything other than terrorist attacks
> radiation is gone so fast nobody checks it

>>32417510
The dumb in this post is layered so thickly, you could cut it with a knife.

>>32414788
RIP in peace US budget

>>32417462

You are better off starting from scratch rather then trying to force a modernized version of a 1980's designed airframe into a new project for a (near) future fighter. Its basicaly on the same tier as the Avro Arrow right now.

>>32417510
>F-15se has amount of stealth close to f-35

Not even close my friend

>>32414788
>>32417589

Asides the twitter stuff, he is right when it comes to US nuclear capabilities. While the Trident II-D5 is still perfectly capable, the Minuteman-III is getting old and needs to be replaced.

All the US needs is just a simple ICBM that can hold 10 RV's with 4 or 5 of them being nukes (Treaty limitations and stuff) and the rest decoys and jammers.

>>32414287
Because Obama didn't cut F22 production you dumb nigger?

>>32417634
How about make three less F35s and use the money for more A10s?

>>32417745
Minuteman may be old but its still first rate, that and the current iteration will be in service until 2040. I'm just not sure what can be improved with it other than the actual infrastructure for the missiles the computers are pretty old but they will still get the job done. Its just not an expense that is necessary at the current juncture.

The nuke/missile/bomber gap is a tactic that politicians always use, and its normally baseless.

>>32417763
>More A-10s
You'd get maybe 3-6 out of that if Fairchild-Republic still existed and built them.

>>32417792

>I'm just not sure what can be improved with it other than the actual infrastructure for the missiles the computers are pretty old but they will still get the job done.

Well, you can improve raw throwing-weight, range, CEP ,reduce the weight of the missile itself and make it even more reliable.

Introducing things like advanced decoys and jammers will give a decent first step into designing missiles that can breach ABM systems.

>Minuteman may be old but its still first rate, that and the current iteration will be in service until 2040.

Thats a rather optimistic length of expected service for such an old missile. Also, keeping a missile that long in service brings a new problem into the equation as i will explain later.

>Its just not an expense that is necessary at the current juncture.

An ICBM doesnt have to be that expensive and it is quite necessary because if you wait too long with designing and building new missiles, all the knowledge of ICBM R&D will be lost as the engineers who have worked on the Minutemans and Tridents will have retired or gone to other lines of work and thus you will lose industrial momentum which will make designing, developing, researching and building new missiles a whole lot more expensive.

Are there hypersonic nukes?

>>32417911
Minuteman may be old but it still holds up remarkably well, I also think better decoys could be developed at an acceptable cost.

Also, the ICBM program has lost inertia, almost no one developed completely new ICBMs after the Cold War except the Russians and they only did it because they literally had to or be left with a totally obsolete stockpile. Unfortunately there really is no inertia, but the program should be restarted for looking for new designs in around ten years. A new arms race would really wreck our budget, and really no one can actually afford a nuclear arms race right now.

>>32418152
All nukes are technically hyper sonic considering they re-enter at many times the speed of sound.

>hurr Durr Trump is going to kill Lockheed welfare

No he's not, they're a fucking great industry and asset to america and provide a lot of high tech jobs and aerospace aspirations.

This is basic negotiations, they start with scare tactics.

>hurr he can't change the military
1. He's the most influential, powerful man in the world
2. Thanks to king obongo, he has the precedent of using executive orders to do whatever the fuck he wants
3. He can tell the heads of military what to do

>>32414854
Congress is controlled by a massive Republican majority.

>>32414512
>The government can cancel contracts at will and have wide latitude to do so at their discretion.
Damn. No wonder the stock markets went haywire for those companies.

>>32414512
They don't though, especially if they get something from it. You know, like how the F-35 has hundreds of thousands of jobs across the country and going against something that puts jobs in your district is political suicide.

>>32418620
Stock holders are easily frightened. That and they have a tendency to rebound within the next week.

>>32418665
Not doing doesn't mean they can't.

>>32418708
They could decide to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike to wipe out North Korea.

There are reasons people do logical things rather than batshit crazy ones "because they can".

>>32417763
How about scrap all a10s and use the money for more f35s?

>>32418731
Nuking NK is far different from saying "fuck this waste of money unless you lower costs."

>>32418796
Its hyperbole, but its """"fixing"""" a problem using a hammerheaded solution that ends in a result as bad or worse than the original problem.

>>32418708
Sure but they could also shut down the highways, but they won't do that either.

>>32415017

Slightly wider wings, not restricted to US tech upgrade schedules.

Other than that, no fuckin' clue.

>>32417546

Is there anything on how stealthy the F-15SE supposedly is? All I've seen is marketing stuff from Boeing and news articles that link to nowhere.

>>32418916
Much better RCS aspect than the regular F-15 frontally but still worse than both F-22/35.

F-15SE would end up being more expensive than the most expensive F-35 variant (~$100million). The silent eagle was supposed to be an alternative export aircraft for countries that couldn't afford or maintain F-35's, unfortunately it wasn't cheap enough so the project has more or less been shelved with one prototype built.

>>32418944

Cool, thanks anon.

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I hate how noone seems to understand that this is just trump attempting to leverage lockmart to find new "efficiencies" with witch to lower costs. But I swear if I keep seeing retards who voted for the same candidate as me spam low quality anti-f35 sprey tier memes. I going to go full drumpf spam. Shits getting annoying how horribly inept many of the low intelligence members of the party are making rest us look uninformed on the military with their garbage.

There's really nothing wrong with getting savings.