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First for Chesty.

What's the rate with the highest percentage of autism in the navy, I want to be around other autists like myself

>>32412596
Probably Intelligence Specialist for the most high functional and socialable autists.

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If you aint infantry, you aint shit

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How hard is it to change your MOS and how many times can you do it? I want to do as many things as I can when I'm in.

Also From signing an enlistment contract to separation what kind of bonuses should you accept or not accept?

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>>32412735

>went 18x but failed the 240 and got 19D while retaining 11B

Can I still be in the club senpai

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>you're a big ocean
What's the scoop on the Coast Guard senpais

>>32412768
Can you explain what you mean by failed the 240?

>>32412596
nuke

>>32412761
you can do it every time you reenlist, more as you get more rank and shit

>>32412656
No
>>32412596
The obvious is NUKE otherwise STG easily. Nearly every stg on my ship was weird as all hell.

>>32412931
He didnt get a 240 on his apft

If you get into NUPOC for subs but later on realize you want to do surface, are you just boned or do you have options?

>>32413214
>He didnt get a 240 on his apft
how do you fail that? isn't that like pretty low standards?

>>32412297
Any info for Canadian SF, CSOR/JTF?
Can you head right in or do they draw from the standard forces?

>>32413657
Exactly. That guy has posted here before and i never understood it either. Thats low for infantry let alone an 18x candidate. This type of stuff tells me 18x isnt a meme its just that idiots like this who arent prepared are taking the contract.

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How do I make sure I get a pilot slot in AF/NROTC?

>>32412931
>>32413214
Ty anon

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>>32413985

What would I do as a Master at Arms, other than usual MP shit. Would I basically be boat police?
I got a 73 on my ASVAB and trying to be a cop after military

What MOS in the Army has the most weebs generally speaking?

>>32414607

Linguists and other crypto jobs. Also IT/signal jobs.

>>32412761

It's a pretty long process. You don't necessarily need to reenlist to reclass, but most people never change their job in the military even once.

It's expensive for the military to do, so usually they prefer you don't. Changing jobs often means you're back in training for months or even years, then it takes even longer to get you competent in your new position.

>>32412735
Correct. I am not a piece of shit.

>>32414607
Infantry

>>32414858
Cool, I was thinking about doing signals.
>>32414907
What's the reasoning behind that?

>>32414915
>>32414907
Don't think there is a reasoning.

Just kinda how it was.

Maybe it's that there's a lot a weebs everywhere and grunts just don't really give a fuck what anyone thinks.

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>want to join muhreens
>can't cuz would get insta rejected because a few years ago I punched an old hollow door and it have me a few nicks / cuts that look self harmed.
>mfw I'll never be one of the few and the proud.

>>32415251
>cuz I would

So you haven't even tried? That's fuckin pathetic, try talking to a recruiter, and don't give up so easy numbnuts

>>32412297
Hey, my recruiter said there is an opening in 13D anyone know anything about it?

>>32415574 #
>hey anon.... I couldn't help but notice why your arm looks soooo.....
>I-I-i punched a door, sir/ma'am.
>uhhhh alright........ come back in x time and I'll have your paperwork for meps....
>o-o-ok......
He's fucked. Especially if he went to meps and an actual doctor saw it. They're trained to spot that.

>>32415251
>getting cut from punching a door so it looks exactly like emo teen cutting

you dont have to lie on an anonymous mongolian shoemaker website

just tell the truth, that you fell for the #cuttingforbieber ruse

>>32415653
You missed my point that you can't know 100% unless you actually try. There was a guy in a similar situation, and he got the injury on some exposed nails while playing airshit. I told him to say just that, and be confident about it.

>>32415251
There are many sport/work/accident related injuries that resemble self harm scars to a tee. If the circumstances behind punching the door are legal, definitely explain(but only if anyone asks, don't go out of your way)

>>32415719
>airshit
>exposed nails
>playing airshit

>I punched a door
Do you really buy those stories? Just like this "I punched a door" faggot. I'll admit, they could be telling the truth, but in all seriousness, if they were they wouldn't be worried. I remember the "exposed nail" guy, and those were more believable that this other guy.

>>32415719
What happened was in the long and short is my gandpa passed away when I was 17. We were cleaning his room out and I was just so overcome with anger at the situation I wound up and took a swing at the sliding closet door. Stupid of me I know.

>>32415877
So you're prone to random outbursts of anger at circumstances that lead to self harm and pointless destruction of property?

Why would you ever want to go anywhere near the military?

What is the process after basic training for the muhreens? Do I decide what I want to do (i.e. choose a type of technical training) or is that choice made for me? Sorry for being oblivious.

>>32415251
At least try. I have my own issues and I'm finally sitting down and going through the process of finding the muhroon position best for me.
>when the recruiting station is interested in my skills in a specific specialty but they're out for Christmas or some shit when I try to reply

Figured this would be the best place to ask this. If I go to Mexico on leave, does my unit have any way of knowing? I asked my first line for all the paperwork weeks in advance, repeatedly, and he never got it to me. I don't intend on missing out on a vacation I already paid fo if I don't have to.

I have a question regarding the DLAB

>This test determines your aptitude to learn a new language. Some MOS require you to have another language such as Cryptologic Linguist.

If I don't currently know any other language and I'd like to learn others am I going to get fucked by this test? Is this a one and done thing where when I take this upon enlistment they're just like NOPE HE CANT LEARN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE and all the opportunities for pay increases from knowing another battlefield language are off limits from that point on?

>>32412297
Something that never gets asked- What ate some of the best officer careers for each branch?

>>32416691
You're pretty much screwed if you don't pass it first go. Plenty of people have done well with only knowing English. If you fail you must wait 6 months before a retest and then get approval, so that means delaying your enlistment an getting MEPS approval, or failing and going into another field then retest later with you commander's approval. I think the max amount of tries is 3 iirc, or it could be like the SIFT and you only get 2 tries.

>>32416969
Wait so what is tested exactly? Does it just test basic vocabulary and sentence structure to check if you aren't a retard?

>>32412924
Best branch

>>32414301
Be a dick to other navy personal. If you wanna boat cop go coast guard.

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>>32416996
It gauges your ability to be able to learn another language. They'll give you a portion/root of a word (it could be a total bs made up word) and it's meaning then a multiple choice to create a word/sentence appropriately. Or you'll see something like pic related. There's a ton of audio sections as well. It really lies heavily on your ability to infer and see how good you would be at a tarzan meets jane/first encounter with aliens kind of thing.

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>>32412297
Airmen plz notice me. I'm going to graduate school soon with a degree in computer science, what would you recommend I go into? I always wanted to be a pilot since I'm gay for aviation but I think that's not gonna happen.

>>32417082
Everything but heavy track and fighters is usually stressed in the AF. R&S/AWACS, rescue, UAVs and such, so it's worth a shot.

You can also look into Army WOFT if rotary is interesting to you, probably a better shot there.

>>32416956
depends on your aspirations, comfy v. competition mostly

logistics/supply/med v. combat arms/intel/engineering/aviation. anybody with stars are going to usually be infantry/fighter pilots/unrestricted line officers in their respective branches.

>>32417061
I'd go with D and C there.

I guess its just something I need to generally read more and look at other cultures to try and get an idea how humans think. Mostly because farkilam isn't present anywhere in the examples. But I can also see that fark being the secondary word doesn't really make sense when compared with farkiloy jank because the general idea with D and C is
>head of a Jank body of a fark
>head of a zik body of a fark

but farkiloy jank doesnt have the head of a farkila and doesnt have the body of a jank. I don't know man C and B seem good too. but 'lam' and 'ov' aren't anywhere in the example at all so that would have to be a completely different dialect.

I'm about to read some Aristotle where he talks about the classification and nature of animals so maybe that will help too.

>>32417082
Save yourself 2 years of an enlistment and just kill yourself at MEPS.

>>32417128
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
>>32417232
(=ↀωↀ=)

If I went to anger management theoropy when I was 6 or 7 or 9? I can't exactly rememer and got diagnosed with ADHD is that going to be a problem?

I haven't gone to any sort of therapy or taken any medication in over a decade. I've graduated highschool and I'm 24 right now. I've never been in any sort of legal trouble and never had any sort of trouble in middle school or highschool. However that school/external therapy might still be on my elementary school record. Currently and for the past decade or so I have been a complete model of temperance. I don't do any sort of drugs, I don't drink at all because I think alcohol tastes fucking gross, and I don't smoke anything. I don't even take aspirin or cough medicine.

I refuse to lie to recruiters or my fellow soldiers if they ask because I believe in living a virtuous life.

Am I fucked or will they even give a shit? Obviously I won't bring it up if they don't ask.

Also how large are the cash bonus's after taxes? I know that it says not to pick a job based on the cash bonus and ultimately I won't if it comes down to it. But I want my Dad to be able to see me on graduation/family day when I become a marine. He has sever cataracts that will cost decent amount of money to fix. I've been saving money up from my job in order to get his eyes fixed before I sign up but If I can add a decent cash bonus on to that then I'd definitely be enticed to take it if its a job thats on my list of interests anyways.

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>>32417333

>>32417367
Sorry.

>>32417333
not really a great market for bonuses right now.

Also lying at MEPS is time honored tradition as old as the second world war.

>>32417446
>Also lying at MEPS is time honored tradition as old as the second world war.

I won't do it. I've read too much and lived too much to know that it isn't worth it. Lying creates a guilt and distrust, it haunts you, and every single moment I'd worry that they would find out and I'd be fucked. You would be amazed how much bullshit you are able to deal with when you know you honestly did your best and acted with virtue, there is a calm to it.

Those restrictions are there for a reason. Lying only endangers your fellow soldiers and yourself.

What to do while waiting to enlist

>>32413985
Pls respond

>>32413503
I'm almost 100% sure you are boned

>>32412297
Why should I enlist in the military if my college is being paid for? Experience in a field I want?

Let's say that I'm going into the Air Force and got the slot that I wanted.

>>32417506
Then go ahead and call a recruiter and tell them you had been diagnosed with ADHD and they'll say you're ineligible and stop wasting their time with you, then maybe you'll go away and we can stop wasting our time with you too.

>>32417821
Don't unless college isn't your thing, just do ROTC or wait.

Does tactical sigint means I actually get to be in the field doing shit or am I doomed to stay in an office if I go signals regardless of the job?

>>32417895
Why would I want to be an officer?

>>32417962
$$$, perks, and prettier wives

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>>32417950
Here's the high-level overview of the different systems. You could be in the field setting up antennas and shit, or you could be deciphering and reporting on whatever a drone picks up through it's TSP and zapping back to base. Really, it's a toss-up of what kind of unit you get into.

>>32417333
If it hasn't been in the past seven or ten years or whatever, it doesn't matter. That's how far they go with your medical records too, I think.

Also, fucking lie, dipshit. I had ADD/ADHD when I was younger and a few pills for it a year or two ago because I thought it might help with school, told my recruiter, and he told me to lie. It's a crock of shit, anyways.

>>32417982
Is the money worth it? I'm not going into the military as a career.
What perks?
> implying I would get married during the military
> implying getting cucked by a prettier wife is any better than getting cucked by a fat ugly one

Do visible flat feet mean I can forget about anything airborne?

>>32413503
You should call your recruiter now. Are you close to graduating? You're probably screwed, you even told the admiral you wanted to be subs

>>32417082
You just need the degree and good grades and score good on the AFOQT for OTS. If you're going to graduate school you can always do ROTC and try to get a pilot slot there

>>32418178

>what perks

Being able to live on your own. Having your free time respected. Being able to cook for yourself and/or choose when and where you eat as opposed to being forced to eat at a dining facility during specific times. Getting to choose when/where you work out as opposed to mandatory group training. The list goes on. Basically, officers get treated like adults from day 1 while enlisted are generally treated like children until they get married or become careerists.

>>32417728
Masturbate

>>32418244
no, no one cares.

Is CTI a good rate? What is it like being one

>>32418377
How come the medical requirements are different for airborne infantry and SOF then? I thought flat feet was disqualifying

>>32418263
>good grades
What is considered 'good grades?' I've got a 3.3 in a STEM field

>>32418479
that's okay-decent for OTS. You need to do great on AFOQT and have extracurriculars etc

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>Daily reminder that OPM investigators share information with your CoC during their clearance investigations.

>Daily reminder that Master At Arms, MP and SecFor are terrible choices and that there are better things.

>>32418307
>not eating with the normal recruits as an officer.

You're a faggot m8

>>32418542
Do you know if the OPM investigator will call your past doctors or see your medical records

>>32417728
Work and school. Pursue education and keep a job.
Try to gain real world experience in the field of work you are pursuing.
Masturbate.
Get drunk.
Go on a cheap road trip.

>>32418248
Yap and I signed an agreement saying I desire sub training

W/e subs can't be t-that bad

>>32418496
>okay-decent for OTS.
Maybe I'll just enlist

>>32418622
Just try, if you want to fucking fly then sack up and apply.
>>32418612
If you regret it now imagine how much you'll regret it there. Have you taken cash already?

>tfw want to be marine infantry but people will treat me like a retard.

Is there room for people that actually are intelligent, read multiple hours every day, are clean and presentable, try their absolute best, exercise and take care of themselves, and strive for ethic and moral excellence in the infantry?

I'm great at making friends and they always thank me for having a positive affect on their lives. I want to be in the infantry to become hands on a part of something bigger than me and make everyone around me better. I also think that the personal hardships will make me better too.

>>32417962
Unless you want to be an operator, go officer

Okay /k/ this is going to sound a bit crazy but I want your opinion.
I want to join the Marines. I've wanted to since I was child thanks to all the stories my grandmother told me of her time in the service. So I ran the idea by fiance and it turns out she wants to enlist with me.
Is that even a thing the military can accommodate? Is there still blatant and terrible sexism in the military, or it it pretty much a non-issue? I just want to know what you guys think.

>>32418650
Yap, I'm getting E-6 pay as a Naval collegiate

Speaking of which, when I am emailing the recruiter and documents processor etc should I be using "Very respectfully" and all that? They end their emails to me with V/r but I haven't received training either way

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>>32418652
Yeah, it's called a reserve rifle company or active recon/MARSOC.

>>32418697
Marines are the only branch that still segregate their recruits based on gender.

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>tfw recruitment district 12
>tfw gayboy Hollywood Marine

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>>32418652
Ya its called not joining the marines.
Go army and either go ranger or Green Beret.

>>32418697
Your fiance is gonna get fucked non stop thats what i know for a fact. Being in the military and married is super fucking tough and thats why the vast majority of enlisted get divorced. Id recommend you either dont enlist or if you do come to the realization that your relationship is going to end.

>>32418697
Army here, after I finished my first 4 years I got out, met my wife in school, married, and re-enlisted the same time she went to WOFT. It's definitely doable, and as long as you're the same branch you'll be fine, there's even special codes and shit for the recruiters enlisting married couples.. You do need to be married though, you are not currently legally co-dependents. You will also not be working together or in the same unit, even if you had the same MOS, but you will have duty stations placed within a reasonable distance so you can live together, usually on the same base. Also if you get deployed or whatever, like on an MEU, no she can't come.

Also expect your wife to have multiple trains run on her, just live with it.

>>32418652
If you're honestly convinced you're that smart, or worried about people not thinking that you are smart, then you're not very smart at all.

Your strive to be apart of something bigger or make a difference should not be hampered by your ego. If you really think you have what it takes to jump into utter shit and smile, then by all means go at it. Some of the most intelligent people I met served in the infantry and moved on up to officer, recon, or changed branches to do Ranger and/or special forces. Don't be scared of what some POG or /k/ shitposter thinks.

hows armor/artillery officer?

main skills to develop?

>>32418263
But how do you make sure you get a pilot slot in ROTC?

I'm a marine vet, currently working as a paramedic and want to get back into the military to work as a medic. I've decided on either shooting for gold and attempting Air Force Pararescueman, or just joining the Army and being a combat medic. I've decided against Navy Corpsman as I hate boats and hospitals, plus the Navy recruiter I chatted with wouldn't allow me to negotiate with the contract. Meanwhile the Air Force and Army recruiters seem to be all up in my ass like they want to fuck. The Air Force recruiter even swung by our station to just chat. And the Army recruiter keeps claiming that having my paramedic license will make me instantly more attractive to more active infantry units and even up to Rangers and higher.

I don't know how much of it is bullshit and fluff and what's actual truth to it all. Any ideas? Thoughts? Comments on the differences between the two? I'm pretty committed to reenlisting. Waiting to finish this last semester of college before I sign the papers.

11B stationed at Ft. Carson reporting

AMA that isn't fucking retarded

>>32418797
We heard about that, and we could handle the three months.
>>32418824
>>32418846
That doesn't sound too reassuring. I think I'm going to have a long talk to her about this.

>>32418797
I didn't see any female recruits at OSUT or 30th AG. Mind explaining why you're talking out your ass?

>>32418894
If you're in shape and a good swimmer go PJ, their resources and training are above and beyond their peers in the DoD. However, be warned that the last I heard they were just discharging washouts rather than re-classing them, it is case by case though.

As far as the Army side, you can pick up E-4 and skip half of AIT. The bit about SOF wanting you is because you would be less like to drop out of SOCM, if you didn't get Ranger in the contract and dropped an application at AIT they would looks at your NREMT-P and at least give it more thought than some fresh high school kid. At the very least, if you went to a regular infantry line unit you'd see yourself teaching CLS and maybe testing for an EFMB within your first 6 months.

>>32418585

Bruh, even as an E-3 I didn't eat with everyone else. Nobody actually eats at the dining facility if they can help it. The only difference is that officers get an allowance to eat on their own and don't get shit for doing it.

>>32418967

When did you go through? There are definitely females at OSUT now, and there have been combined BCT classes for literally decades now.

>>32418854
I think I will go infantry. I probably did come off sounding extremely arrogant and I apologize for doing so. I actually didn't do very well in highschool as far as grades go, in fact I graduated a year late from failing classes my freshman and sophomore year. Though when I finally put my mind to classes I did very well and from making mistakes and watching others make mistakes I have taken to heart trying to make the right decision even when it appears not worth it or there seems to be an easier way.

I've continued learning after highschool for a long time and want to give this sort of life decision its due commitment so I'll ask the question many times and seek answers in many places so I can get a clearer view.

But I do know that my greatest asset has been keeping people from getting into trouble when they're bored or looking to get into trouble. From what I've been reading this is a nature that would be very valuable in a field/low level type of setting. I am worried about not being perceptive enough or too carefree and it putting my fellow soldiers in danger. I always tend to toughen up and become a much better man when people are counting on me though.

>>32418824
I don't think I meet the eyesight requirements for any sort of special forces. I have like 20/50 or some shit, I could barely get approved for a drivers license. It gets better with corrective lenses but its not 20/20 which is what I think most special forces require.

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>>32413720

Come and see for yourself, my friend.

>>32418915

What makes you so special that you get an AMA

Are you one of those fag infantrymen that have a different story to tell?

>>32419101

>aggressive and not good at book learnin'

Trust me friend as long as you stick to that attitude you will make a better infantryman than i ever was

>>32418943
>That doesn't sound too reassuring. I think I'm going to have a long talk to her about this.
This isnt some meme. We are telling you facts. Men and women both cheat constantly on eachother in the military. Not only stateside but forget about it while deployed. Shes gonna get fucked and chances are youre gonna wanna fuck some chicks as well.

>>32419134
Im trying. Round march im going to go get a contract senpai.

>>32418915
No I'm just not a faggot like you with no advice to give to trainees. Nothing makes me special I just tossed up an AMA. Why you so anally irritated, friendo?

>>32418967
BCT=/=OSUT

Have you seen any females at OSUT yourself? If not then shut the fuck up kiddo.

>>32419145
see
>>32419348
I'm drunk and can't rightn ow

>>32419145
Also you're either a civ or a fuckin pog so suck my cock

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Ya'll ready for the next Crusade?

>>32419389
Honestly... I'm close. I've not experienced anything first-hand in terms of hateful Muslims, but there's so much shit going on by those extremists. Throughout the War in Afghanistan, I didn't support it. Not for one minute. My mindset and viewpoint is changing however. I still don't believe in the bullshit 'race war' because it seems to me that the only ones who want one are racist whites. The war would inevitably be between that racist white minority vs non-racist white majority and other races who would get involved. Nobody talks about race wars except whites. As for a religious war though, well, I'm already in the process of joining the Military, or at least trying to. Just six months ago, if we went to war in the Middle East again, I'd give consideration to canceling the whole thing, but now, I'm alright to be sent out. I would FUCKING HATE the heat and LITERALLY would probably suffer heat stroke a couple times as I climatize, but hey, if we're going for the extremists and not normal non-hateful Muslims like the ones I went to College with, then I'm down. Just kind of wish I could get an AK-101 instead... honestly though, AK-74M is God-tier.

stolen valor :
https://twitter.com/AR1488UK/status/812435720577183744

>>32412735

This. FUCK POGs

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Leaving for Paris to join the French Foreign Legion two weeks from tomorrow. Can't fucking wait.

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>>32419389
My body is ready.

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>was hellbent on navy
>look into air force jobs they seem cool
>look more into air force
>tfw thought of switching to air force is tempting me
>tfw I feel like I'm cheating

>>32419770
Details?
What made you do it?
Other stuff like that.

>>32419539
The truth is most veterans dont care about stolen valor. If i saw someone pretending to be a veteran I would just think its pathetic and corny and move on with my life.

>>32419830
What jobs in the navy are you looking at?
What jobs in the AF?
Prior navy here.

>>32419830
>>32419830
There's also just a huge difference between being apart of aerial and aircraft operations and being a sailor on a ship, you should bring lifestyle and culture into consideration as well.

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>>32419836

I've been out of the US military for nearly 4 years now. All of my old friends are all getting married and having kids and advancing through their careers. I'm drifting apart from everyone and everything that used to be important in my life and I have nothing to stay in the US for. I've drifted between different places and jobs and have found nothing in civilian life that interests me. I yearn for the structure and the discipline that the military life used to provide and I want a new challenge. Joining the FFL is like hitting the restart button and raising the difficulty level, because you have to learn a new language on the fly as you do everything else. I just want something different and want a completely new challenge and adventure outside of the good old USA and the Legion is one of the very few chances for the average American, vet or not, outside of joining the Kurds in Syria(which is my backup plan in the FFL rejects me).

Also, I miss the adrenaline rush of combat. I worked a season on a crabbing boat in the Bering sea a few years ago and it was a good rush, but there's nothing better than getting shot at and missed. It's the best high the world and it never gets old. The FFL(especially 2 REP, the unit I am aiming for) is always getting deployed to shitholes to put down nigger rebellions in Africa, so the chances are good that I will get to see combat again. Hopefully by the end of my enlistment I will be 30 y/o and have documented combat experience in both the USMC and the FFL and be fluent in French which will make me look pretty attractive to the PMCs operating in Africa. The governments there are woefully ill-equiped to deal with the rising tide of anarchy that the population boom is going to bring the continent in the coming decades(pic related), and PMCs are proving again and again to be the most quick and efficient ways for the govts to deal with their problems(look at what STTEP is doing in Nigeria for example).

>>32420272
I get all what you are saying, my question is why not re-join the US military though? Im prior service myself and am going to go back in.

>>32419389
I'm like a 3-4 on that list my dude.

>>32420321

Short answer: the culture shift in the U.S. military during the Obama admin disgusts me. The FFL is the last place in Western militaries that still disallows women and fags, and if you fuck up you get beaten.

>>32420410
I would wait and see what changes are in store from the Trump admin. Seems like he's hiring a lot of generals, especially ones that were pushed out by obama

>>32418698
If you're emailing someone with a higher rank then you should end your email with "Very Respectfully"

If you're emailing someone with a lower rank then you can end your email with just "Respectfully"

>>32420410
See>>32420466
Plus im sure/hoping SF is still hardcore. Going for 18x myself. Good luck either way.

>>32420481
Interesting, wonder why the LT uses V/r when I'm an OC-1

>>32419884
Most system operations and intelligence related jobs.

>there's a general for enlisted fags on /k/ now

Neat. Former Air Force reporting in. 3E0X2 Electrical Power Production. Served from 2002-06.

>>32420540
Be specific man. Theyre all different. Also Navy CT jobs are great. Quality of life in the AF is way better but you actually have fun and adventures in the Navy. I was on a ship for 4 years and did 2 deployments and wouldnt change a thing, i loved it.

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>>32420542
I was thinking about becoming a 13B (fire support specialist) and re classing to become a 15W (army drone pilot)

I read that the air force is looking to hire 30,000 new men. Should I become a JTAC and then go airforce drones? Would they offer me more benefits?

Is becoming a NCO via SEAL's plausible?

>>32420604
You are slapping words together in the hopes someone will engage you.

Here is your "you"

>>32420604
yes, If you don't become an NCO you are probably a shit bag

>>32420582
Becoming a JTAC isnt easy. The washout rate is super high. Having said that, the air force quality of life is generally a lot better than the Army's.

I dont really know anything about gunslinger shit. I was a generator mechanic.

>>32420466
>>32420481

Women are in the infantry and there is no putting that toothpaste back in the tube, at least not until his second term. The presence of women in a workplace will always make it less efficient than it would otherwise be if it were all-male, and inefficiencies get people killed in the infantry. I refuse to serve in a force that does not take itself or its responsibilities to its members seriously.

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Why aren't there ever tankers on here?

>>32420783
>women are in the infantry

What really? Which branches? I thought Marines had a strict no combat policy for women.

>>32420839
Damn youre fucking dumb.

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>>32420839
Pic related is you

>>32420839
the Army. They already had a group of women graduate from IOBOC. I hope they all got sent to light units. Most of them will probably only do 2 years as Infantry, get that OER then go to a POG job and spend the rest of their career telling everyone they were Infantry.

>>32420839
All branches have to give females a shot at all jobs, by congressional mandate. The branches got overruled by Congress on the issue.

>>32420833
Tankers all browse /a/.

>>32420867
>>32420855
Alright.

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>>32420839

Have women ever been in a firefight? What will they do when a woman get her squad killed due to the pussy pass?

>>32420923

Women have been in combat for a long time now. Shit happens, convoys with females get engaged, FOBs get attacked, FETs get ambushed. They just haven't been allowed to hold certain job codes until recently.

how bad is it really to lie at meps if it wouldn't be something that disqualified you

>>32420943
lie by omission, retain plausible deniability

>>32420923
My unit has a few gay dudes and they've never let their squadmates' buttholes distract them from their duties. It's called just having a little bit of discipline. If a nearby vagina renders you incapable, you're just a shitty soldier.

>>32420981
homosexuality is a fetish not an orientation so i don't expect it to affect fags like it does the innate biological drive to protect women from harm

t. faggot

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>>32420981
They still shouldn't be there.

>Get A's in all my hard science classes including calc based physics and o chem
>Get A's in all my math classes up to differential/linear as well as discrete maths
>Talk to NUPOC recruiter and get told to fuck off since it was at a community college.


Sorta pissed me off desu senpai.

>>32420943
I lied about my marijuana usage. I said I did it once ever when really I was blazing it every day.

I also lied about having a high school diploma and fabricated a letter from my high school.

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>>32419757
>>32412735

>infant tree man talking shit about pog
>does same shit pog does in garrison

>>32420916

military ladies are hit and miss, most of them miss. i have known some alpha as fuck bitches that could crush walnuts with their thighs and some that were smarter than your average penguin

but usually the problems come gradually like this

>my hips are fractured
>my ankles are fucked
>my back
>im pregnant
>my back again
>im in an innapropriate relationship with an nco/officer and im pregnant again
>hood bitches usually piss hot for mary jane
>dodge every PT test and have numerous profiles
>overly emotional and nonstop whining about shitty conditions

actually let me give you a personal account

>private blondie is hot af
>aviation commander agrees
>private blondie hints to commander she wants some benefits through sexual innuendo
>fucks her in private gym at hangar, quid pro quo
>pays for her boobjob, she shows up to work with DD cups
>aviation commander mysteriously dissappears

>>32421366
>I also lied about having a high school diploma and fabricated a letter from my high school.
that's really fucking stupid

>>32420527
I've normally seen v/r for everyone.

>>32421050
Community college is basically highschool.

>>32420985

Kek. Humans also have the innate biological drive to eat food constantly until they're morbidly obese...on the off chance there's a famine coming. Where's the outrage over not allowing servicemembers to be 400 pounds of pure cheeseburger?

Oh, right, that's because "no wimminz in combat" is a meme made up by far civilians with no discipline, who can't imagine a world where they don't give in to every whim that crosses their minds.

Hi, I know the army has a program where high school students can enlist between junior and senior years to go to basic, then come back home for their senior year of high school, but wanted to know if the airforce had a program like it?

>>32421050
maybe because most of those courses can be taken as AP courses? students that actually prepare for college will take diff eq their first year.

>>32421881
>Humans also have the innate biological drive to eat food constantly until they're morbidly obese
no they don't

t. biochemist

>>32421973
Pretty sure that humans will generally eat in excess if food is available, just like animals are capable of doing, and also just like animals we're capable of storing fat if food gets scarce. Lack of physical exercise makes it easier to store fat.

Insert the comfiest lifestyle available in human history (modern day first-world nations), with probably the most food being regularly produced worldwide in human history, and what do you get? An epidemic of overweightness/obesity! People don't have to do much physical activity usually (even walking is optional thanks to privately owned vehicles/city buses/taxis) so they generally don't. There's no real need to ration/save food, so people often eat whatever they want, whenever they want, whenever they feel like it.

If you're indeed a biochemist, I'm sure you're smart, likely smarter than me, but I do think that humans will generally be lazy and eat a lot if the option is available. People need to go out of their way to burn calories just to try not to get fat, and it's probably even a recent invention; exorcise. Sure, they had it for Militaries for probably centuries, but what about civilians? Usually life was so physically strenuous that there was no NEED to try and burn excess calories, so exorcising was likely largely unheard of for civilians for the vast majority of normal low-middle-class humans. Games were for fun, not for exorcise, even if they happened to be physically strenuous.

Animals will gorge themselves if given the possibility, because storing fat is beneficial, or at least it was. Now, with shortages of food being basically unheard-of for much of the world, the ability to store calories/energy for later is basically an outdated concept, one that's now biting us in our fat asses. If we could turn it off and just shit out all the excess calories while still enjoying all the DELICIOUS food of today, we most certainly would, even though it'd be a big waste.

>>32421922
bump

>>32420981
This desu. It's be a professional not a horndog

>>32420989
Why? Give me an answer that doesn't involve degeneracy or social norms.

>>32422217
Didn't you know? Gaybois always but the buttsecks at all costs, even during combat. Do you have any idea how many soldiers got themselves killed because of being raped/molested by faggots?

... fucking none...

I am starting to understand why women being in the Military is bad, but gays? I don't see the problem. Honestly, they just shouldn't have fucked with the standards. If a woman can go through the same punishment as a man, then let her fight alongside them, even at the cost of her fertility as long as she knows the risks. Lowerings standards just to get them in though? Fuck that; make them work for it, just like the men. They want equality? FUCKING GIVE IT TO THEM! MAKE THEM FUCKING CRY! If they can keep going, the they've earned our respect, or mine at least. If the women are going to be whiney little bitches, then kick them the fuck out. How would it go if I joined up, with me having a penis and all, and started saying "But Saaaarge, it's not enough tiiiiime, could you give me a while looooonger? But Saaaaarge, I'm shyyyyyy, could you get the boys to build me a personal latriiiiiiine? But Saaaaaaaaaaaaaarge, I don't like surpriseeeees, could I see all the tests beforehaaaaaaaand? But Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-" you get the idea. I wouldn't fucking last, and neither should women if they act like that.

>>32422217
For the same reasons we shouldn't have coed combat arms. Putting people who are sexually excited by other people in close proximity to each other where they have to shit, shower, and fight together is a bad idea.

Plus it's revolting, demoralizing, and makes a mock out of something that's supposed to be serious. Which is -- as with faggot marriage, faggot Scouts, trannies in the girl's room, and faggot/tranny everything else -- the entire idea.

You know all of this, of course, but you pretend not to.

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>>32422103
>fat people didn't exist back then

>humans can't consciously regulate how much they eat

okay buddy

>>32422358
You're demoralised by gays? Why?Genuinely curious.

>>32419539
why didn't you just link the article?

>>32422455
Talk to the officers and men fleeing the active military since DADT was repealed. Among other things, the incidence of faggot rape has tripled. Which, as with the 40%+ of kids that get raped by faggots, they write off by saying no, it's HETEROSEXUAL MEN doing the raping. As a dominance thing. And we're just now finding out about it.

Hopefully the entire military will get fumigated within the next year.

>>32422403
Fat people existed, but only if they managed to obtain lifestyles that allowed for very little manual labour. People who managed to own businesses where they just hired others to work. Obviously humans can consciously regulate how much they eat, but it takes conscious effort. Most people don't care, they won't put in the effort and just eat, because food is plentiful. It's not like hundreds of years ago where they had to ration it, make it last, keep stuff preserved to last the Winter, back when there was the "hungry month of May".

>Implying I think there wasn't fat people
>Implying I think all humans will always eat as much as possible

Are we going to have a conversation here, or are you going to just make assumptions? I realize this is the internet, but come on now, use your words like a big boy. I'm not saying shit like fatness is a 'gene' or it's not people's fault if they get fat. It is, because there's a choice, but most people don't like to sweat. Most people want to eat as soon as they feel so much as peckish and not stop until they're full. Note that I'm saying 'want' and not 'need'. It's just a want. They can go without it, but they don't.

I'm not even blaming the human body, but, it's true that just like animals, humans will eat far more than necessary if not put in check, either by themselves, or by others (like for instance being told not to eat too much because what they have needs to last the Winter). Look at house pets. They can get lazy because their food is provided for them, just like us. Do you hunt the meat you eat? Did you plant and harvest your fruits and veggies? Likely not. All you had to do is use some paper, coin, or plastic, and you walked out of a building with food that someone else put on a shelf for you. We no longer have to hunt/gather/grow our own food, and we generally don't have to walk much, lift heavy things, or do physically demanding things. We must go out of our way to do that, and most people are too lazy to.

>>32422490
I'm talking to you. Not some figures you pulled out of your ass. Now answer my question you swing dancing faggot

>>32420582
Just go straight to drones if that's your goal, anything sensor or systems operations related would honestly be a better feeder mos than fire support if you're afraid to go straight in. Last I saw there was an enlistment bonus for 15W. I would shy away from the AF side because it's a dead-end job.

>>32421366
How long ago was this?

>>32421922
Air Guard might, maybe reserves, but no on active.

>>32422530
1) 'Tripled' is lowballing it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/gay-rape-military-underreported-pentagon/

Even on /k/, it can be a little disconcerting to have a faggot sailor advising other faggots that a particular path leading out of a base in Okinawa leads to the designated faggot orgy spot. Lots of bears, he said. If you think this is fine and it does not dismay or embarrass you -- well, but you don't.

2) You are not concerned about preserving your nation's institutions that protect it, nor do you give a genuine fuck about them. You are concerned with winning an argument on a Chinese knitting board. Go suck an AIDS infected dick and die, you prancing boy molesting piece of shit.

>>32422591
Interesteding article. I can see how the rape rates increasing are a concern. This primarily shows a lack of discipline, and poor training. Just like higher ups leaving their services because they might serve with gays. If you care about your nation acknowledge that gays are a part of it.

>tfw deserted
>tfw still got a great job making good money.

Yeah, you leave long enough, they'll start calling and sending letters and you get to go get an OTH, which has had zero impact on my life since I got out. Don't let them scare you. You don't like it, then leave.

Okay, back on topic here.

Anyone know what the process is to reclass or change units in the National Guard? Mostly looking at going from 11B/68W in my local unit to 18X or get into their support unit. Only things open in support right now are clerks and parachute riggers. Or should I just go straight for Rep 63 (18X)? The main thing putting me off from that is the length of the Q course, I have two years left of college, I want a break can't go for that long just yet, maybe a year max.

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Graduating with my bachelors this Summer and have been considering the military. I don't want to be stuck behind a desk, I'm pretty fit and would like as high intensity as possible after a life of boredom. Will going the officer route guarantee paper pushing?

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>>32422701
> lack of discipline, and poor training
Sexually dysfunctional people with STD's and dozen or hundreds of fuckbuddies are not known for good impulse control.

>If you care about your nation acknowledge that gays are a part of it.
No. Fuck faggots. They can all die in a big fucking fire for all I care any more. The only one I ever loved (no homo) is dead of his own overindulgence, so there isn't even that.

>tfw 26
>tfw thought about joining the military when I was younger
>tfw rejected the idea on grounds of not wanting to consign myself to 4+ years of being a woman-faced faggot
>tfw I recently found out that submariners are allowed to wear facial hair and it's not just muh eleet speshul forsiz opurraturrs that are permitted to retain their masculinity
Is it too late for me, /k/?

>>32422977
Not too late, but you're only not shaving if you're actually deployed. Until that time, you're going to look like a smooth-faced little porcelain doll.

>>32422977
Everyone in the navy doesnt shave underway you dumbass. Ships sell no shave chits to raise mwr funds. I didnt shave during both of my deployements underway.

>>32422977
Nope, you're on the older side but I had 30+ year old guys in my BMT flight.

But the beard thing was seriously important enough to prevent you from joining? What if you can't get the job you want? Or you get "force shaped" or forced into a new career field due to low manning?

>>32423042
Oh, I see. Unfortunately, >>32422990 is a problem.

>>32423092
It is. I wouldn't chop my dick off to get a job either, even if I knew it would grow back in a week.

>>32423226
So you arent joinng all due to the fact that you have to shave? Dude wtf is wrong with you?

>>32423226
>Shaving is the same as chopping your dick off temporarily

I mean I guess, ok

>>32422990
>>32423042
>>32423092
>>32423239
>>32423424
It's okay boys, he's probably some nu-male hipster fuck stick that paid for beard plugs and wants to get his money's worth. Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to serve with at least.

>>32423239
>You aren't contributing your time and effort to an organization that discriminates against you with bullshit regulations that run counter to the precedent set by every successful military throughout history? Dude wtf is wrong with you?

>>32423460
I agree we shouldnt have to shave but is it really a deal breaker?

>>32423502
Yes. I'm rather attached to my beard. In fact, I can count the times I've been clean shaven in the past decade on one hand. I've quit a job I was good at and enjoyed quite a bit because a new boss required employees to be clean shaven.

>>32412768
>that pic
F

>>32412924
The Coast Guard is kind of weird.

Okay, so they are stationed all along the coastline, so it's very possible to get stationed somewhere you want to be as long as that's on any coast line. But while they nominally would shoot at any invaders who came to our shores, that doesn't really happen, so in practice they are organized partially under the Department of Homeland Security, working with the FBI and other guys, and tend to do a lot of policing stuff. Mostly shooting Mexican/South American smugglers and pirates, since Canada is fairly chill, and saving drunken fishermen who went too far out to sea in choppy waters. They are small and not entirely under the DoD, which means they don't get all the perks of full DoD funding and standards. And they often wind up on kind of old equipment all things considered, but they're still a military outfit, in spite of their job as quasi-police.

If you want specific military benefits, review them carefully to make sure the Coast Guard offers them. If you just want to fight pirates, go sign up. Honestly, you're more likely to see action than most branches. There is way more demand to be a Coastie than space to fit them, however, so they can afford to be pretty selective, which means you're likely going to be turned down unless you are the hottest shit. But you might as well try.

Occasionally they do go abroad and fuck about in the South China Sea or whatever. Have fun.

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Any 68W in here?

I was really thinking about joining up in the army as one of these guys. I'd like to serve my country and help the men standing to my left and right.

Any advice or guidance would be really helpful. Thanks.

>>32423567
convert to Sikhism?

What do you do while you're in DEP beside pt.

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>>32423643
This reads like you have no idea what you're talking about and just watched a few episodes of border patrol, which is probably true.

>>32412924
Coasties are a full fledged branch of the military and get all the bennies the other 6 uniformed services do, yes they get a NDSM and all the vet stuff under GWOT too. The reason their funding seems small is because they can actually operate within budget, looking at fiscal year 15 the CG was 1/8th the size of the Navy and operated on 1/14th their budget. This is reasonable due to salary, not wasting it on superfluous training, not needing to do r&d, not operating a medical/chaplain corps, and generally piggybacking off of the USN. The quality and retention of their personnel are a lot higher, all enlisted must spend at least 4 months getting all of their qualifications and basic seamanship skills before being allowed to select a job, then wait to go for a year or two or three; fresh officers are usually either put straight into deck watch, engineer in training, or aviation (which then is outsourced to the Navy). All of their lawyers, intel, and some engineers are usually direct commissions from other branches, again, cheaper.

Locations everywhere, not just the obvious. There are the great lakes, American Pacific, Caribbean, major rivers, pretty much any lake big enough to have a decent amount of boaters will have some form of CG presence. I had a JROTC instructor that was a retired LCDR that spent a few years in Guam and did two tours on an icebreaker through the Antarctic. My cousin is a Coastie and did more cool shit in the two years he was a non-rate (year in Alaska and a middle east deployment with some VBSS and interdiction) than I did in my six years as a Marine. It's easier to deploy a cutter than a carrier with 6,000 people, and they go fucking everywhere.

Plus they operate a former Nazi ship, pic related. Spent a few nights aboard back in high school, one of my favorite experiences.

>>32422490
>>32422591

>Implying that male-on-male rape hasn't always been the most common type in the military.

It's not a new thing since 2011, dudes are just more willing to talk about it now.

Backwards religious feels don't really matter, most of the gay foljs I've served with have been assets to the force, just like the non-fat folks I've served with.

Hell, the best platoon sergeant I ever had was a guy with a husband.

>>32423905
Suck off your recruiter while they tell you how awesome the military is.

> Protip: It's not

Anyone here maintain a full time job and serve in the reserves?

Have an interview in Dallas next week for Marine Corp officer program. Any tips /k/? Have degree and grad school, been lifting and running for a year and a half.

What can I expect?

>>32425384
I did for the better part of two decades. It's not rocket surgery.

>>32425845
He'll ask you about your reasons for wanting to be a Marine officer, motivations, etc. Make a good impression since the recruiter has some weight in your application.

What's the best branch to learn another language

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>>32424046
>not needing to do r&d
It shows. Bertholf actually manages to be an even bigger flop than LCS.

>>32424046
That sounds awesome. I just checked and unfortunately I don't have a recruitment office in my city, but I will give them a call next week.

I've been looking for something to do when I graduate and Coast Guard sounds freakin awesome!

Thank you for your response, sir.

>>32427848
Youre making a mistake, sort of, just go navy man. I seriously cant see why anyone would ever choose CG over Navy.

>>32427862
One of my cousins is a lifer in the CG and he seems to love it. He's gotten to travel all over the world because of it. I dunno, seems like it'd be a smaller more tight knit group.

>>32427879
>One of my cousins is a lifer in the CG and he seems to love it
Thats great but it doesnt mean he would not love the navy as well

>He's gotten to travel all over the world because of it
You say that as if thats isnt exactly what the navy does

>I dunno, seems like it'd be a smaller more tight knit group.
???

How hard is ANGLICO training?

>>32427704
Do bad in high school and make poor life choices.

>>32428002
Smaller groups count for a lot. If you find a good one that doesn't have to lower standards to get warm bodies, go for it. I never met a Coastie who bailed for the Air Force. Met plenty of prior Navy.

Tight groups exist within loose groups. My wife quit the Air Force after they shut down her helicopter unit because fixed-wing fighter units aren't nearly as tight. I enjoyed working fighters and have many bros therefrom, but she was right in that respect.

The machinery you work on is the fun challenge if you aren't in combat arms, but the humans you work with can make or break your career.

Choose with care.

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I'm kind of hitting a crossroads in my life. I'm 25 and I've spent the last 4 years playing guitar in a touring band and working wagecuck jobs to support myself. I'm getting sick of the music industry (which is an oxymoron) and customer service. I'm sick of not going anywhere financially, intellectually and general self improvement skill-wise. I'm thinking of pursuing a career in server maintenance or IT, since when customer service becomes automated, someone will be required to maintain these damn things. I've also really got into guns lately (which is why I'm here) I'm wondering if joining the Army and trying to become an IT specialist (25B) is a good idea. It would basically kill two birds with one stone, go through basic, get fit, learn to maintain and use a rifle, and train me for systems administrations and IT.

>>32424046
>JROTC

Lol

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>>32427738
It was mainly the bureaucrats that pushed it through. It's sad really, the flaws were pointed out before it was even laid down, but they pushed ahead through the contract. It's not like these things are going to be buoy tenders putting around for 40-50 years either, so they really should have heeded the warnings.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/nsc-structure.htm

>>32427848
You got it dude, just ignore the butthurt squids. Also forgot to mention the leg-up in networking you might get, depending on whatever rate you choose. since it's a small branch with a geographically large mission area, there's a ton of federal overlap with all sorts of agencies like the NPS, EPA, and all the LE stuff. Good prospects can come up if you don't stick around for a career.

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What is the definition of 'wrist' when regulations say tattoos may not extend past the wrist? Is it before or after the styloid?

Mine go to pic related

Also, how does the military view non prior service who join with lots of tattoos?

>>32427704
1A7X1 and hope for rotary, or go Army maintenance for 60s/47s and hope to pick up crew chief.

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>>32428230
Depends on the branch, you need to talk to a recruiter for specifics, here is the current Marine reg. As far as day to day or in training, no one really gives a fuck, but it's another excuse to turn people away and not promote during the draw down.

>>32428162
I already chose bro, i was in the navy for 4 years so youre preaching to the choir here.

>>32428410
Those are weird restrictions, inside of the elbow? That makes no sense. Thanks m8. I guess I can hope for Trump to do what he says and increase the size of the military

>>32428455
It's at the joints. Motion restriction in the event of scar tissue buildup.

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>>32428455
Not just the inside, I think they were targeting wraparound stuff like tribal, breaking up sleeves, and this kind of thing.

>>32428534
>breaking up sleeves
Welp, I'm boned.

>>32427643

They all go to the same school. Whichever will give you the contract.

>>32428770
You can go army bro

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>Considering a career as an Officer after getting my degree through the GI Bill
>Look at civilian stuff to compare
>You can basically transfer to the Foreign Service, any Intelligence Agency (if you have the training/clearance), or Federal Law Enforcement Agency for a major pay bump and bump of 2-3 equivalent ranking plus that cushy civilian life

Why the hell would anyone stay in after O-4 or O-5 when this is on the table?

>>32429027
>O-4 or O-5 when this is on the table?
Cause thats a lot of money as well plus its easy as fuck at that point.

>>32427862
Staying stateside is kinda important to some people. I personally love the non-rate programme. I feel like the entire military should use it. More seamanship comes from smaller cutters rather then the cities that an aircraft carrier is.

>>32429027
You obviously aren't looking at the full compensation package. Officers make out way better than 99% of federal civilians. Contractors can make a bit more, but don't get a pension either.

Once you make O-4+, it's really hard to find a civilian job that will offer the same quality of life, especially if you have a family.

>>32412297
What kind of training/deployment am i looking at if I wanna be a pararescuemen?

>>32429106
>I personally love the non-rate programme
I honestly dont know enough about this to comment. Could you explain it?
And i agree that big ships are the death of sailors. I was on 2 cruisers and wouldnt have it any other way.

>>32429174
Google the training pipeline you tard. As far as work national geograpihc actually has a damn good series where they follow them around in Afghanistan.

>>32429174
Google the episode of Making the Cut for the physical aspect of their training. Inside Combat Rescue on National Geographic followed a bunch of them around during their deployment.

>>32429212
Basically you don't contract into a job until at least 6 months of being in the service. This way you don't sign up for a job without seeing it in action on a regular day. It also frees up most the shit jobs (painting, cleaning, ect) because everyone does that when they start as a non-rate.

I'm an art major at uni (I know I know, fuck off) in my last year and I'm thinking about joining the Navy (naturally) after graduation if I can't find work. Would they accept a meme degree like mine if I decided to become an officer?

>>32429087

I don't know that Staff officer is easier than say Diplomat or Collections Manager. The money is set up to be the same or better civilian side deliberately

>>32429143
.

Most staff officers can go right to six figure jobs civilian side, which is roughly equivalent compensation-wise. A full-bird colonel who opts to head a diplomatic mission is looking at a bump up to the equivalent of O-8 or O-9 and about a 50% pay jump.

I'm serious. Look up senior foreign service pay.

Can any anons help me out?

I am wanting to join the navy reserves as an officer. I have a BA in psychology with a 3.4gpa.

Can anyone tell me what officer jobs i can actually do? I am willing to work any field, and from the 8 random jobs ive selected from the navy site, all of them require additional education. So, Im not sure which ones actually require only a 4 year degree. Their website is so fucking slow and everytime you click on a new job and then want to see another once you have to click through their little career helper tool over and over again.

Im going reserves over active, because I am an LEO, and I am being told not to join active military during peace time by veterans.

tldr
>Want to go navy reserves officer
>which ones dont require anything more than a 4 year degree

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I received anxiety/depression medication when I was 14 and 15, how fucked am I if I want to be a ranger?

>>32429466
>Staff officer
>officer
Bro its all easy. I dont care what anyone here says being an officer is easy as fuck and you make great money especially at that level.

>>32429507
Not at all if you keep your mouth shut.

>>32429507
Only if you don't keep your mouth shut.

>>32429466

You have no idea what you're talking about, DESU. I saw two O-5s retire and take civilian jobs recently in my office. One is a grade 12, the other is a 13. They're both low six figures, and neither is making anywhere what they were as an officer

O-4 compensation is roughly 120k civilian equivalent in most places. Most federal civilians make less than that, even high grade ones.

Your average O-4 might be able to land a six figure federal job, it's certainly not the norm. An officer staffing agency will generally aim for the 80-90k range.

>>32428842
They a little more lax on it? I wasn't considering Marines anyway.

>>32429560
>>32429572
So I just lie when they ask?

>>32429686
havent you ever lied before?

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Hey guys, I got a question for ya. I am in the process of enlisting in the army right now. Think I'm gonna become a medic.

Anyways my question is, can they find out about an offence that was stricken from your record? When I was younger I got caught drinking in a park and had to go to court. They sent me to a drug and alcohol class. When I went back to court they said that they'd expunged it from my record.

If I forgot and/or didn't tell my recruiter and didn't put on my paperwork can it screw me over?

>>32429560

>being an officer is easy as fuck

You must not have a degree. Being a military officer is low paying compared to a lot of much, much easier jobs.

>>32429619

Key word.

>retire

They're looking for less work, not more.

>>32429668
Yeah man, I got a few tattoos just below my elbows plus a couple on my chest and my recruiter says it's no problem

>>32429831
>You must not have a degree. Being a military officer is low paying compared to a lot of much, much easier jobs.
How does that relate to what i said? Im talking about comparing officer vs enlisted work load. Guessing youre degree is from a shit school.

>>32429831

You vastly underestimate the difficulty of getting one of the very few well-paid federal jobs.

>>32412768

damn they must be really going light on PT these days

pog vet here, failed the run on my APFT in basic but still got a 250 score at the end (extended scale pushups and situps) so they got a waiver to push me through

but your score is inexcusable for combat arms you chubby chubber, stop eating taco bell and go to church on sunday instead of churchs chicken

heck

>>32429858

M8, my dad was enlisted as am I. But the difference is putting the load on your mind instead of your body, so unless you're some hollow sociopath who doesn't care about the outcome of your decisions administrating a military unit isn't easy.

>>32429831

False, your average person in the US with a degree makes less than an O-3 with bennies.

Average college grad will not see six figures for their entire career. You have an inflated idea of what civilians make, probably based off of a small set of degrees in high cost of living areas.

>>32429884

Not everybody who goes through a bachelor's program is chasing money though. The ones that are can get more of it more quickly than those who commission.

>>32422490

I dunno about other branches and shit but I'm Navy and literally nobody cares about having a few faggots in our command. It's a total non-issue across the board.

The only reason why it's an issue anywhere is because of children like you. 10bux says these rapes are happening in mouthbreather tier jobs like infantry and security forces.

Anyone have any information on 88k? It seems interesting but I can't really find any first hand accounts or anything about it

>>32429858
>Im talking about comparing officer vs enlisted work load.

Junior enlisted detected.

>>32429879
>But the difference is putting the load on your mind instead of your body
Is this bait? Youre implying enlisted dont use their minds? Go tell that to people in combat systems, weapons and intel. Please stop posting and spouting that nonsense meme. Being an officer is easy as fuck. My CO was fucking my XO the entire deployement and never came out of his stateroom the entire 7 months. They eventually caught them and kicked em both out which was funny as hell.

>>32429995
E-5 in 3 years and got out in 4. Currently using Gi Bill. You jealous I did so much better than you?

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>>32412297
How do I join the the MI6 run paramilitary organisation 'E Squadron' ?

Can I go to a recruiter and sign up or some shit and then start toppling governments and suiciding people?

>>32430023

>Being an officer is easy
>Two officers I know got fired for not doing their job

Great supporting example. Nobody said that enlisted don't use their minds, but not all put the load there. Great job trying to twist a generalization into a pejorative though.

>>32430023
>E-5 in 3 years and got out in 4.

So, yes. Junior enlisted. Who got out and is doing so amazing that he spends his time posting on a Sudanese macaroni art newsgroup about how he as an ex junior enlisted knows how senior officers should manage their careers.

>>32429027
Why is everyone who wants to be an officer only concerned about how much they get paid?

Are E-5 Sergeants in the Marines in command of troops? Is that what you should go for if you want to protect your fellow soldiers and make sure you have their back?

>>32430210

Spoiler: Most people join the military for the money and benefits. Goes for officers and enlisted.

>>32430210

It's actually more of a question of power. A senior diplomat has more power than an O-6 by a wide margin.

>>32429027

Former enlisted here, now in a fairly high billet in an intelligence agency. Every officer I know that now works here took a pay cut. Have you even looked at the civilian pay schedule?

>>32430090
So im not alowed to post here or else that implys im not doing well? So why are you here then?

>>32430053
Why are you dick riding officers so hard mate? Officers are managers at best, not nuclear physicists. Their "using mind" is not really that much at all. And the degree has nothing to do with it, ive met genius enlsited and dumb officers. The whole theory behind officers is outdated and should be abolished.

>>32429473
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/noc/NOOCSVOL1/Documents/Manual%20I%2057_PT_A%20(DESIG).pdf
not all can be reserves though

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So i have a history of depression and anxiety (nothing on my record) and just enlisted in the army

Right now I'm really freaking out thinking i made the wrong decision. What's the point of no return with this? What happens if I get to basic and realize I can't hack it? or I graduate and I don't want to be there anymore? I'm really freaked out about this

I'm 18 and have never done anything like this

>>32430318

>Managers at best

Administrators. Senior NCOs and O1-O3 are basically managers.

>using mind
>is not really that much at all

If you have people who are either very stupid or very unfeeling in charge maybe.

>genius enlisted and dumb officers

Yes, but that's a product of our class system that nobody calls a class system more than a quirk of the military.

>theory behind officers is outdated and should be abolished

Now you just sound salty.

>>32431108
>Now you just sound salty.
Youre right i am salty but that doesnt mean im not right. Think about it. What is the point of officers in todays military? I understand completely in the past. The average enlisted was probably like 16 and dumb as a rock and couldnt read or right and so on. So i understand why there was a need for educated people to be in charge. But now? No point. The role officers fill could just be another SNCO billet that could be filled easily by E-7s and up. Officers and enlisted itself is a class system, its stupid and no longer serves a purpose.

>>32431016
Its gonna suck at first but stick it out cause it gets better. Look at it with the mentality that if you didnt enlist where else wold you be in life? Stuck in some small shit town working at arbys? Fuck that.

>>32431156

>What is the point of officers in todays military?

At low levels complex shit you can't trust an 18 year old with poor impulse control with, and at mid levels dealing with abstractions as an administrator, and at high levels dealing with complex models of strategy and foreign policy.

>The average enlisted was probably like 16 and dumb as a rock and couldnt read or right and so on.

The average enlisted today is 18 and chooses not to read.

>The role officers fill could just be another SNCO billet that could be filled easily by E-7s and up.

And who's going to have the education to run shit? O5 and up require relevant Masters degrees, and O7 and up need a PhD related to what they do. The E7 game and the O5 game are very, very different.

>Officers and enlisted itself is a class system

No, it highlights an existing class system in a way that's hard to ignore. The rest of society functions the same way.

>its stupid and no longer serves a purpose

It's one of the only modern class distinctions in America that does serve a functional purpose, actually.

>>32431243
>At low levels complex shit you can't trust an 18 year old with poor impulse control with, and at mid levels dealing with abstractions as an administrator, and at high levels dealing with complex models of strategy and foreign policy.
Wrong, O-1/2s serve no purpose whatsoever. Everything they pretend to do an E-6/7 actually does. They are there only to learn how to be O-3s.

>The average enlisted today is 18 and chooses not to read.
Thats why they wouldnt be in charge.

>And who's going to have the education to run shit? O5 and up require relevant Masters degrees, and O7 and up need a PhD related to what they do. The E7 game and the O5 game are very, very different.
You served didnt you? Then you should have realized that doing the job well requires experience, a degree has absolutely nothing to do with it. Its just a peice of paper thats required to put a check in the box. Plus most E-7/8s and up have bachelors and E-9s have masters.

>No, it highlights an existing class system in a way that's hard to ignore. The rest of society functions the same way.
If this were true its the exact reason why it should be abolished. I dont need some rich peckerwood snob telling me what to do.

>It's one of the only modern class distinctions in America that does serve a functional purpose, actually.
Again, no it doesnt.
What i know is that you couldve removed every single officer from my ship and literally nothing would have changed. And again, the jobs they do serve could easily be filled by an enlisted who is qualified to do so.

>>32414870
Not true for the Air Force, it's (relatively) simple, as long as you're applying for a less-manned career field.

>>32431356

I don't think that there is any point in continuing to argue with you. You are not the only former enlisted or person without a degree who seems to be of the opinion that anyone with a degree is useless and perhaps ought to be lynched. For what it's worth I understand why it would be frustrating from your perspective to work under those people, but your position is the sort of thing that could be a parody if it weren't coming from genuine belief.

>>32415251
Does ANYBODY know why you have that scar? If top secret background check investigators ask, will anyone tell them "it's from when anon punched a door?" If not make something up. Hell, if you just say "I got drunk and punched a door on accident" you'll probably be fine.

>>32428784
Really? I think Air Force goes to their own school, could be wrong though. AF is definitely looking for linguists though, especially airborne.

>>32415251

>telling the recruiter the truth

lmfao what the fuck would you do that for? is it in your medical records?

if not you're gold

>>32431423
>>32431423
You realize youre the opposite side of the coin. You are blindly loving officers for no good reason. What im saying is if you were designing a military from scratch as of right now, would you set it up the same way it is now? Cause i know i wouldnt. Most offcers ive met have useless degrees in something unrelated to what we were doing and their degree didnt help them in any way, they showed up to the ship green as grass and had to get quals same as me. I just dont see why they get treated so much better and make so much more money because they have a fancy manilla piece of paper with gold trim on the borders.

>>32431580
Depends on the branch and your job. I admitted to pot use and still got a TS job.

>>32431600

Honestly? I'd have it set up to where everyone starts as enlisted, and the ones cut out to be officers are picked out around the end of their first hitch and put through what's basically Academy ala Starship Troopers. That isn't what we have though, and Officers come from where they come from, and Officers are necessary to keep the machine running even if they aren't needed day to day in your shop.

>>32431664
Ok youre on the right track, but my point is why call them officers at all? Why cant those postitions be reserved for talented enlisted? Why do you have to call it something different and have an entire different set of rules and perks to go along with it?

>>32431767

Because the burden of Command isolates.

>>32429299
Yeah, met a AF rotary wing student that had his in psychology the other day. Just don't plan on getting something like nuke or anything technical.

>>32431837
M E M E
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>>32429818
Yes. Only exceptions to this is if it was expunged under the Federal Controlled Substances Act, which I doubt is the case. I've seen guys get past the local/county/state checks just fine with sealed/expunged stuff only to be fucked by the FBI search, which may just be that there is an indication of you having a record, not what the record actually is. Then they'll dig deep.

>>32412297
Tanks make me feel warm inside. Talk me out of being interested in 19K

>>32431939
I'm like that with artillery right now. I think other jobs would be better for me but goddamn there is nothing like making things explode from several miles away.

>>32416124
Since nobody else bit, I'll go. Marine Corps training goes like this
>Go to recruiter, take ASVAB, find job you want, they have available and you qualify for.
>Go to bootcamp, do same shit as everyone else
>Go to MCT for POGs, ITB (Everyone really calls it SOI) for 0300s.
>Go to MOS school if POG, fleet if grunt
>Get shitty follow-on school because 'muh manpower' or whatever
>End up rotting in 29 Palms for eternity.

>>32431767
>>32431837

It's actually the other way around. They deliberately make the officer feel suitably isolated, which is part of why they have an entirely different enrollment track, to psychologically prepare them to be ready to kill those they would otherwise call their fellows.

>>32432400
>They deliberately make the officer feel suitably isolated
>to psychologically prepare them to be ready to kill those they would otherwise call their fellows.
Where the fuck do you guys come up with this shit, have you ever been around officers or combat? Cause its nothing like the cheesy movies you see on amc or those shitty books retired generals put out.

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>>32431906
Thanks for the info man. I'll make sure to bring this up to my recruiter the next time I see him.

Have a merry Christmas dude.

>>32417213
understand that's only one part of the DLAB. the majority of the DLAB consists of an audio portion. the key there is to remember all the grammar rules for the made up language. they all come into play at the end.

>>32431493
Air Force linguists go to Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, CA w/ all the other branches after basic. You'll need at least a score of 115+ on the DLAB to be considered for a linguist job in the AF.

>>32431600
Officers don't get better pay/treatment because of the degree. I had more civilian education as enlisted than the vast majority of officers I served with. They get better pay because of the responsibility and legal liability they have and because of cultural inertia.

>>32431767
>Why cant those postitions be reserved for talented enlisted? Why do you have to call it something different and have an entire different set of rules and perks to go along with it?

Because it requires an entirely different set of skills and training.

It's hilarious to me that a supposed E5 couldn't figure out that officers and enlisted have different roles.

Merry Christmas ya cunts

I'm a third year college student at a prestigious engineering program, with a bright future in higher learning. Is there some way I can serve my country without putting all of that on hold for 3-6 years?

>>32435444
You can join the reserves or national guard in a job with a short training pipeline. It probably won't satisfy your itch to serve though.

>am Marine Corps. poolee
>passed everything on IST except running
>puked 7 times during the mile and half run

I've never really ran before, any tips to get better?

>>32436962
>I've never really ran before, any tips to get better?
Keep doing it. Do you run everyday?

>>32437066
I do now.
I just can't seem to make any improvements and have basically zero knowledge of how to run correctly. Plus I used to smoke cigarettes (from 15-19yr) and I feel like I'm dying at the end of every run.

>>32437138
Do it every other day and after 2-3 months you should seeg improvement. Keep at it. Switch between outdoor tracks and treadmills.

>>32437171
>after 2-3 months you should seeg improvement

but I ship out in 3 months, did you mean major improvement?

>>32437226
Drink lots of water. Stand up straight to catch your breath. Take deep breaths to get your lungs working. Lift your arms up when you start to get tired. Buy a weight vest and run with it a few times a week.

>>32437716
Thank you,
are there any supplemental exercises I can do at home/inside that can help me with my running?

>>32434293
>Because it requires an entirely different set of skills and training.
Yes i know im saying why cant they receive that training you faggot.

>It's hilarious to me that a supposed E5 couldn't figure out that officers and enlisted have different roles.
Again, a JOs role could be entirely eliminated and even if it couldnt someone could be trained for that role the exact same way you are trained for every other postion. Think before posting please.

>>32433801
>They get better pay because of the responsibility and legal liability
Memes. Everyone has responsibility. What it really turns into is enlisted working like dogs and officers getting the credit for it.

Can I bring a watch to army boot camp?
Analog or digital?

>>32438384

Sounds like you've never been in a situation where the officer authorizing an action was actually putting his balls on the line legally. They absolutely do have the liability.

You can say it's memes, but as an NCO I'm acutely aware of the top cover officers provide.

>>32413687
CSOR and JTF2 both take 3 years acive or 2 reserve iirc

>>32438583

You should stop arguing with that dude. He's one of those people who is just incensed that other people have more qualifications and authority than he does.

>>32438720
Youre right i am mad. I already said that. It isnt fair that some kid with a useless degree gets to do way less work than me and make way more money.

>>32438583
Youre correct but liability rarely ends up mattering. I was on a ship and ive never seen an officer have to put his neck on the line. Usually the exact opposite, they bend over backwards to suck the next ranks dick and screws us over completely cause theyre cowards.

You guys are pussys for not agreeing with me. Or maybe you just dont understand me. Im not saying the job they do isnt necessary just that they way they are treated and they made up qualifications you need to become one is ubsurd. The system should be set up differently. I can 100% say as a 23yr old e-5 i was far more knowledgable than all the JOs i knew. Theyre degress didnt mean shit on a ship were you have to relearn everything. Yet because they have a degree they get a cushy stateroom and do no physical labor and im down in fwd ops sweating my nuts off.

>>32438808
You sound bitter m8.

If you think officering is so easy and cushy, why not just go commission?

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>>32438900
>You sound bitter m8
For the 3rd time i am

>If you think officering is so easy and cushy, why not just go commission?
Im already out. Plus why would i escape slavery just to enslave others? Im not a hypocrite. The system needs to change thats all. Surely you can see it could do with an overhaul?

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