Is the 270 the ultimate hunting round? >fast enough to expand

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>>32412157
It's the classic American hunting cartridge, yes. In careful hands it can take griz. Pic related.

That said, as a handloader I'm not real fond of it. Something to do with the angle of the shoulder and the short neck makes the brass wear out real real fast.

It and .243 are always available during scares

does anyone make a .270 semi auto?

>>32412309
I don't think so, but I'm sure with some fanagling and some cash you could have just about anything in .30-06 rebarreled to .270

>>32412157
Is also friendly for reforming into other cartridges. Like 8mm mauser.

>>32412309
I believe Browning does, or did.

>>32412157
For a handloader, it's not as versatile as .30-06 or .280. If you're shooting factory ammo, it's hard to beat. And it's good well past 300 yards, which is further than most people have any business shooting while hunting.

>>32412309
The BAR is

>>32412157
I hunt with .270. It's an all-around great cartridge, ammo is plentiful and relatively cheap, and most manufacturers chamber their guns in it.

It performs well enough to kill any game in North America.

Monolithic .270 rounds make mincemeat out of level III plate.

not the ultimate. 6.5 is better than 270. not as common though.

>>32413071
6.5x55? 6.5 Creedmoor? 6.5 Grendel?

.270 shoots a heavier bullet at a higher velocity than any of them, and has the advantage of being a well-developed hunting round with more purpose-specific bullets available.

>>32413108
>a well-developed hunting round with more purpose-specific bullets available
>implying 6.5x55 doesn't have just as good selection as .270 when taking European bullets into account

Check that American privilege. 6.5x55 is Europe's version of .30-06 (as a historic military surplus round that explodes into popularity with hunters and sportsmen)

>>32413183
>6.5x55 is Europe's version of .30-06 (as a historic military surplus round that explodes into popularity with hunters and sportsmen)
Care to explain why European manufacturers commonly chamber rifles in .270?

I still prefer the .30-06 over the .270. There's really no noticeable difference between them. The .270 is popular with hunters in western states because of it's flatter trajectory. I don't need it, so I prefer the .30-06. I'd like to try .280 Ackley Improved but it's somewhat of a unicorn cartridge unless you can reload for it.

>>32412157
.270 bullets have shit BC. If you want a necked down .30-06 7mm-06, 6.5-06, and 25-06 are all better. 7mm Mauser, 7mm-08, 6.5 creedmore, and many others are all better than .270.

270 is pretty much just for retarded fuds that can't read good and don't know there's better stuff around.

>>32413458
Isn't 7mm-06 actually .280 Rem? .280 and 7mm-08 are the only non .30 calibers that interest me. .280 AI approaches magnum velocities from a .30-06 case.

>>32413517
IIRC they have slightly different shoulders, but I'm shooting from the hip. They're both fine.

>>32412157
>>fast enough to expand any bullet out to 200 yards
Not "any" bullet
>>trajectory flat as a table
It shoots flat, but not THAT flat
>>devastating terminal performance
A lot of rifle rounds do
>>light recoil
No
>>headspaces off the shoulder
Wot?
>>good for everything from coyotes to moose
Kind of
>>commonly available
Sure
>>standard length action
.270 is a long action, dumbfuck
>>large magazine capacity
Depends on the rifle, dumbfuck. Most are hunting rifles with low capacity (4-5 rounds)

It's a great cartridge, but dial down the autism, kay friend?

I use it on targets ranging from possum on the roof though to red deer at 845m it'll kill anything in newzealand at most reasonable hunting ranges.

>>32412157

It's a good cartridge. I prefer .308 because of the milder recoil and the short action.

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>>32412157
>light recoil
>.270

>>32413183
stop it. the only reason 6.5x55 is so popular in europe is because girly men like the fact there is no recoil. do not try to confuse other anons by putting 30-06 in the same boat as 6.5

>>32413552
you must be 18 to be on 4chan

please leave and come back in 3 years

>>32413709
I've got several rifles, none in .270. My first centerfire rifle was a very light .30-06. A six pound .270 (helped a friend zero in the scope on his once) does have fairly light recoil compared to most cartridges worth shooting at the ranges you can reach with a .270. It definitely has less recoil than my goose gun.

>>32413547
The factory .280 had the shoulder moved forward so it wouldn't chamber in a .270. The cases are a few thousandths of an inch longer.

>>32412157
Id say the .243 is the best overall hunting round.
>short action
>light recoil so even children can shoot well
>super common
>can kill squirrel to bear

I got a rem 700 adl youth for my friend because she was new to hunting. .243 is a nice caliber to learn on and the youth model is short for her arms.

>>32412157
300WM is probably still my go-to for really silly long range fudding about, but I do have a fairly old .270 Weatherby Mag from when I was more into that thing which cost me a small fortune at the time and is very dear to me.

>>32416195
>>32416195
Lots of states have a minimum caliber requirement for deer and .243 doesn't meet it. That said, it's a hell of a round.

>>32412157
>light recoil
I don't think you've shot very many .270s.
>ultimate hunting round
You must be talking about .30-06

>>32412157
.30-06 is still the king

>>32416332
Oh, which states are those?

>>32416332
Really?

If thats the case I would probably go with a 30-06 with custom loads.

>>32416467
Here in VA the law is you can't hunt deer with anything smaller than .23 caliber, so .243 is basically the bare minimum.

>>32416583
Cool... but the question was in which states is .243 NOT legal for deer?

>>32416607
I don't pay attention to other state's laws, but I do rememeber Ohio only allows round nosed straight walled cartridges on account of how flat it is out there.

>>32413230
for the shartmartian market.

>>32416467
Can't hunt deer in SD with anything producing less than 1,000 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle "with factory ammunition". That excludes quite a few small-caliber centerfire cartridges. The regulations in the 90's read that you couldn't hunt deer with anything smaller than .243, and specifically listed calibers like .22 Hornet, .222 Swift, and .223 Rem as illegal for hunting deer and elk. Bullet technology now makes the .223 Rem viable for deer hunting (barely) in the northern states where the deer are larger than dogs (sorry southerners).

>>32416607
https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Pages/HuntingDevicesandAmmunition.aspx

I'm really not sure what to take from this.

>>32412181
did you adjust you die properly? im getting 6+ reloads out of mine @57g of H4831sc

>>32417337
Illinois is shotgun, muzzleloader, or handgun only.

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>>32417337
So I can hunt deer with a break actions single shot 45 long colt, but not a 270 bolt action rifle?

Jesus christ Illinios.

>>32416607
Imma eat some crow here. The couple of states I was remembering appear to have changed regulations. Happens when you're an old fart. That change is a good thing, I like .243.

>>32416154
I used to have two Remington 7400s. One was chambered .270, the other was .30-06. I felt no difference in recoil between them.

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Anyone have 270 WSSM?
My paw was the only ffl in our shit town of 800 people and I think my favorite rifle he's acquired was a browning A bolt medallion in 270 wssm. Just something about it

>>32422579
Had one. Overrated as fuck. Went back to .30-06. I will say that 7mm projectiles are superior in ballistic performance, it's just that I tend to fucking hate rifles chambered for magnums.

>>32422439
Might be differences related to loads. My .30-06 likes maximum loads and heavy bullets. The .270 load I shot wasn't anywhere near that hot.

>>32412157
taken more game with my .257 ackley and .32 Remington than my 6.8SPC or my .300 Wby.

They may not be sexy or high tech, but they get the job done on hogs and white tail.

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7.5 Swiss is literally the best hunting round

there is no refuting that

>>32422750
You could've just said that you're a recoil bitch with glass shoulders.

Some of us actually enjoy the recoil.

>>32412157
7mm rm = better ballistics & more energy downrange for a slight increase in cost

>>32422916
>7.5 Swiss is literally the best hunting round
That no ones ever fucking heard of.

>>32413571
fellow kiwi here, looking at building a custom rem 700 rifle in .270,
does hunting and fishing etc, all those cunts, stock the ammo? i reload but its good to have factory shit at the drop of a hat

>>32419500
I don't own one, so I don't load for it. That's what I've been told by several people who do, is all.

>was suggested 308 as good durr caliber
>hardly any mention of 308 in this thread
Is it bad or something? Not enough speed? stopping powah? I am pretty new to this.

>>32413108
.260rem actually offers a heavier "default" bullet than .270's "default" bullet. 140gr vs 130gr. But you can get up to 160gr factory ammo in .270, 140 is pretty much the top end of .260s factory loads.

OP, most rifle calibers including intermediate calibers will expand the majority of appropriate bullets to over 500m. 1800fps is usually the velocity threshold for expansion.

That being said, .277 bullets have dogshit ballistic coefficients and almost everything else will beat it on trajectory and wind drift by 400m. Its not bad but it is out performed by .308 ballisticly while being longer and harder recoiling.

>>32422980
This thread is only for discussion of proper manly-men rifle calibers, get your weak ant cartridges out of here.

That being said, .308 is sufficient for most hunting applications, if you want to own a rifle chambered in an under-powered ant cartridge.

>>32422943
It had nothing to do with the recoil, faggot. That was the only thing I actually enjoyed about that fucking gun.

>>32422956
I don't think you meant that for me.

>>32422998
Then what else is there to hate about magnum calibers?

It is possible that they might be over-powered for some applications, but that's no reason to hate them.

>>32422980
.308 is a great round, it's available everywhere and will do the job just fine.

people spazz out over it and exaggerate because there are a few new calibers that have better ballistics. which matters to maybe 2% of hunters

>>32422980
.308 is fine for anything you can do with most .30 calibers that aren't magnums, but Opie started with .270 so it's been the focus. .308's baby brothers .260 and .243 did get a mention.

>>32416332
Ive never heard of any US regulations stating a caliber larger than 6mm must be used for deer, only a small few that prohibit centerfire .22s.

That being said there are a few states that require larger for things like moose and bear.

>>32422916
I shot 150gr Winchester power points in both of them. With all things being equal, there's really no noticeable difference in recoil.

>>32419740
Not during regular season, which is shotgun slug only.

During muzzleloader/alt methods you may pistol hunt using any straight walled caliber of at least .300" bullet diameter that has a SAAMI specified brass length of not greater than 1.500", or any of a very short list of grandfathered wildcats like .30bellm. You can hunt deer with .454 casull but not .357max or .460smith.

>>32422992
>I have no idea what ballistic coefficients are, what they mean, and that bigger numbers are better

At any given bullet weight, the .270 will have a better BC than the .308 bullet of the same type.

>>32423017
Belted magnums are archaic designs that frequently lead to headspace issues.

Magnum actions have bolt throws measured in light-minutes and follow up shots measured in geological epochs.

Barrel life sucks even compared to typical "barrel burners" like .22-250.

>>32423060
Find me a factory .270 load with a 180gr bullet.

>>32423049
That does make sense. Something about equal and opposite reactions comes to mind, but I was stating what I'd experienced, not thinking about that particular bit of physics.

>>32423060
And the fact that they're not offered in comparable bullet weights is totally irrelevant right?

The standard 130gr .270 has a worse BC than the standard 150gr .308 and a SIGNIFICANTLY worse BC than the standard 120gr 6.5cm or .260rem. The heavyweight 150gr .270 has a worse BC than the heavyweight 180gr .308 and a SIGNIFICANTLY worse BC than the heavyweight 143-147gr 6.5cm or .260rem.

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> this many posts
> no .303s posts

Looks like all the other Canadians are asleep. Then again, .303 just makes my dick hard.

>>32423017
It wasn't the caliber, it was the gun. The 26" barrel annoyed the shit out of me.

>>32423076
Why? You're moving goalposts and I don't shoot factory ammo out of a rifle. The 180 grain Woodleigh bullet in .277" diameter has a higher BC than I can find in any 180 grain .308" hunting bullet. Same with pointy-pointy paper only bullets. The .270 outruns the .30-06 past 300 yards and they both beat .308 hands down. I'm not saying .308 isn't a good round, because I think it is. I have a Mauser in .308 set up as a scout rifle and love it. I'm just saying it doesn't have the external ballistics available in the bigger case at either bore diameter.

>>32423096
Compare apples to apples. That means looking at the same bullet weights for each caliber. And don't limit yourself to factory loads. Even if you don't handload, you can order just about anything custom loaded.

>>32423127
Except the 7mmRM is supposed to have a 26" barrel, so that all the powder burns out and you get the correct ballistics out of it

>>32412157
As an owner of a .270 win rifle, you are off on a few points, and neglect many downsides.

>very narrow range of projectile loads.

Basically it's 130gr, 150gr or go fuck yourself. This is especially true if you don't handload.

.308 caliber has it beat by leagues here

>recoil is stout as fuck.

With a rubber recoil pad and more weight, my .270 is much sharper and stronger in recoil than a mosin.

While I'm sure there is an argument with "pussy" to counter this, more recoil = less practice for all of us.

>long action is loooooooong

.270 does little that the shorter .243 can't and .270 WSM is the same round but choaded and nastier.

Long actions can lead to mistakenly riding the bolt over a cartridge rather that stripping it.

>no capacities beyond 'low' and virtually no decent semi autos

With some browning and remington exceptions that are pricey, and converted garands... Semis just don't exist for it very unlike .308 win.

To top that off good luck finding mag sizes that are higher than 5.

>conclusions...

.270 win does shit right. Anti-cervine artillery, very flat trajectory etc. Also even during the worst panic buy it remains on the shelf. I bought so much after sandy hook I'm still working through.

It is a long in the tooth cartridge though, very long for previous generation's powders, high pressure and more modern cartridges do more with less. It is passing from fuddgold to the realm of old shit slowly.

It's not as useless as 30-30 became after the SKS boom, but it will get there. Enjoy it while it lasts.

>>32423164
7mmRM should actually have a 28" barrel for maximum performance but ye 90% of manufacturers do 26" for some reason

>>32423166
Even as a syrupfag my dad has a .270 that holds... 8? 10? Rounds. I dunno, he said he only ever loads four or five when hunting.

>>32423096
Winchester .270 power point factory load: BC .344, MV 2850

Winchester .308 power point factory load: BC .294, MV 2820

Both with 150 grain bullets. With a 25 yard near zero, far zero is 225 yards with MPBR of 275 yards at 1548 ft-lbs energy on the .270. Far zero is 210 yards with MPBR of 260 yards at 1321 ft-lbs energy on the .308.

The .308 starts slower and has worse BC with the same bullet weight as the .270. A ten mph wind also pushes the .308 bullet about an inch and a half further off course than it does the .270 at 275 yards, so the .270 bucks wind better as well. These are Winchester numbers, by the way.

>>32423164
Hence why I dislike 7mm Rem Mag. Why is that so hard for you autists to understand?

>>32423118
.303 is a good round, Cordite Canuckistanian friend. Smellies are fun milsurp. Shoot a caribou for me, we don't have them this far south.

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>Perfect rounds don't exi-

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>>32413605
This, and 308 is a lot cheaper too. 10 bucks for a box of 20 versus 55.

>>32423388
>perfect round
>core lokt
pick one faggot

>>32423388
That round headspaces on a belt. It ain't prefect.

7.62x39mm is way outclassed by anything else that's been discussed here, but it should be effective for at least a couple hundred yards on whitetails. Can anybody recommend a good factory hunting loading? Preferably with reloadable brass.

>>32412157
.260 is the ultimate hunting round.
>.308 brass
>6.5mm bullet
>Same ballistic trajectory as .300 winmag, but without the harsh recoil
Literally what's not to like? If you somehow need more oomph than that, it's time to consider .338 Lapua or .50 BMG. I don't think many people are hunting grizzly bears from over a mile away, though.

>>32412157
I just want one because I live in the 270 area code. Sure, we have good white tail hunting, but I like to buy things for stupid reasons when I know they have okay reasons otherwise.

>>32414113
>tfw hunting boars with my marlin 1896
>tfw shooting boars with 405gr bullets in 45-70
>tfw reading this, being in europe

My shoulder just laughed so hard

>>32423832
Marlin 1895*

>>32423832
ey mang. some people forget the majority of the firearm enthusiasts aren't scrawny rednecks who say dumb shit like "12 gauge single shot with them magnum slugs kick like a sumbitch"

>>32423891
Some becomes most on 4chan.

>>32413183
>6,5x55
>Europe's version of .30-06
No, Fuck no!
As much as I like 6,5, but that's just plain wrong. 6,5x55 is only big in Scandinavia (sadly), while 8x57IS is the big one for the rest of the continent, since there's metric shitloads of Mauser 98s everywhere.

>>32412309
6.8 SPC II is damn near a twin of .270.

>>32412823

Neck yourself

>>32423303
Is it because of your feminine glass bitch shoulders?
I bet it is.

>>32422943
>>32422998


get a load of these boys, someone grab me a tape measure, I bet I could get them to measure dicks next.

>>32423388
>belt
NOPE

>>32422980
308 is a great round. You asked /k/ of all places though, so of course your answers were limited to the autistic ramblings of posers shouting "MY NICHE HIPSTER ROUND THE BEST EVERYONE ELSE A SHIT EVEN THOUGH IVE NEVER SHOT ANYTHING BUT PAPER HUE".

>>32423414
Where on earth are you paying 55 dollars for 20 rounds of 270? Unless you're comparing the cheapest bubba gun show 308 reloads to some Nosler depleted uranium platinum turbo match 270 loads, any severe price differences are placed squarely on your shoulders.

>>32413025
>any game in North America
>level III plate
I see what you did there.
The most dangerous game.

.300 Win Mag plz.

personally i like .30-30 or .30-06

>nobody mentions 7.62x54R or 8x57 IS

good, fuck those old fudd cartridges

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>>32424607
>.280 Remington Ackley Improved, an improved version of the .280 Remington cartridge with 40 degree shoulder, dies readily available. It duplicates the ballistics of the vaunted 7mm Remington Mag, with 30% less propellant used and less barrel erosion. Registered with SAAMI by Nosler.
No, it's because 7mag is so shit it got BTFO'd by a .280 with a modified shoulder and 30% less powder.

>>32423144
So when I pull out the 240gr .30cal bullets to "compare apples to apples" you can cry I moved the goalposts again? How about when I compare the 180gr factory .308 load to your 180gr woodleigh?

>>32423702
Hornady Custom, loaded with a 123gr SST.

>>32423785
The inability to use >140gr bullets without single loading. Which is why 6.5cm and 6.5x47lapua exist.

>>32428236
I have a hundred of those bullets. I also have a sporterized Arisaka that's getting some of them. Put into a .30-06 case. They shoot damn flat at 3000 fps.