Fuck France

You forgot :

helped the US gain their independance.

What a worthless pile of wankers indeed.

I have a lot of respect for France for leaving NATO to make sure it wasn't reliant on the USA.

There's a reason it's the only country in Europe that makes its own combat aircraft and missiles anymore.

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Guess who just got a French stepdad

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>>32394139
>ruins every joint project
This. Fucking frogs.

>>32394153
>I have a lot of respect for France for leaving NATO to make sure it wasn't reliant on the USA.

They didn't make sure of anything, the french leaving did nothing to change the relationship between the UK and US

also

>french in Vietnam, people mock the US but look how they performed

>>32394153
>There's a reason it's the only country in Europe that makes its own combat aircraft and missiles anymore.

This is wrong. and everything MBDA makes is a joint project between Italy the UK and France. Or at least on paper. BAE does the bulk of the work. Funding and profits are divided equally.

>>32394139
>get invited to joint exercises and barely participate just so they can learn allies capabilities and steal secrets

Can confirm, every time France come to red flag they sit quietly and do very little pre flight, put half effort into the training, fly around with their radars in training mode while absorbing all the emissions of allies. Then they go home and talk about how much they contributed while frantically trying to figure out how to catch up with their radar tech.

would not oper8 with

>>32394150
That was not the current version of France. That wasn't even the last version of France.

That was the French royalty who helped (and it was more of a fuck you to England). And then we helped overthrow them.

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>>32394139

>>32394181
>They didn't make sure of anything, the french leaving did nothing to change the relationship between the UK and US

Sorry, have you mistaken the UK for France?

Why the fuck are you talking about the UK US relation?

>>32394246
Because France left NATO because they were unhappy with the US and UK making decisions together then telling NATO what would happen. CdG gave an ultimatum that he wanted in on the special relationship - was ignored - so France left.

>>32394246
ffffffuuuuuuuck! sry guys, forget this thread!!! I was mistaking France with the UK!!! brb checking a map of europe LMFAO
how do I delete it btw??

>>32394190
Except for Magic, MICA, Hammers, Exocets, ASMP's and M51 Ballistic missiles

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>>32394245
>you need to be American to dislike France.

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>>32394261

>>32394264
5 outdated weapons and a sub par ICBM.

However, the "this is wrong" statement was in regards to your idea that France is the only European country to make planes or missiles.

>>32394273
You have to be particularly ignorant to make such a picture, probably american anyway...

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>my sides

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>>32394342

>>32394306
>5 outdated weapons and a sub par ICBM
>why?
>ITS FRENCH!

>>32394264
And Mistral, and Milan and the soon to be operational MMP/MLP, and the ANL.
Bongs forget the M in MBDA stands for MATRA.
And there's a reason it's MBDA and not BMDA.
Cheerio bongs. Enjoy french british projects, such as the SCAF/FCAS, CTAS40, or ASTER/PAAMS.
Not our fault if the Urofarter sucks ass.

>>32394366
I was pointing out specifically French weapons, not joint projects

>>32394366
I'm not British, but keep guessing.

Also Marta was owned by BAE.

>Urofarter sucks ass

From my understanding it has been more successful on the export market, is more advanced technologically - the most successful of the eurocanards. Rafale is yet to get a long range missile, two way data link, modern defensive suite or capable radar.

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I have a suspicion this shit thread is made by some niggerkebabs from isis trying to stirr up shit between western countries.

Hmmm.
>>32394342
bongs can be despicable, but they're not that despicable.

>>32394362
The same applies here

ISIS DETECTED

IT'S TIME TO DEUS VULT THIS THREAD

>>32394366
MBDA is more British than French. While BAE and Airbus defence have an equal share - BAE is wholly British owned, Airbus Defence is partly owned by France and Germany and Airbus is traded on the Deutsche Börse in Germany.

The bulk of MBDA's work is done is Stevenage in the UK at their huge plant.

>>32394417
>it has been more successful on the export market
Which is about to change pretty soon, hint, indian navy
>is more advanced technologically
depends what you're talking about
>Rafale is yet to get a long range missile
Meteor just like the rest
>two way data link
this point is purely doctrinal but nothing stops the plane from having it. Actually Gripen and EF don't have it either, since it requires an Aesa radar. Also, datalinks aren't stealth, and counting on the radar of the missile instead of your own seekers means your detection capabilities were subpar in the beggining.
>modern defensive suite
now that's just wrong, the reputation of Spectra isn't usurped, or do you consider an EW suite able to hide a place from an S300 directly below is a bad one ? (see Mace XIII in Romania)
>or capable radar
Mate... Since 2012, the Rafale is the only eurocanard to have an Aesa radar. And to this day, it's still the only one. It's the only radar in service able to guide the meteor for all of its firing enveloppe.

Please trash the Rafale with more up to date and relevant facts.
I didn't even talk about RCS reduction measures...

>>32394454
And Where exactly are the biggest MBDA factories located ?
And in what country is located the head office of the company ?
And where are the main testing grounds ?
And why the CEO is named Antoine Bouvier, obviously a japanese with such a name ?

That's right mate.

http://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mbda-systems.com%2Fabout-mbda%2Fabout-locations%2F

Funny how the french wiki references what's done where while the brit one just gives locations.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA#cite_note-26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA#Locations

kek

MBDA is primarily french, I know it's hard to swallow, but that's how it is.

I'm not dismissing the fact several products of the company originate from their respective countries though.

tl;dr : it's time to stop shitposting.

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>>32394366
>

>>32394540
>it's another frog has an autistic fit thread

Calm your shit.

http://www.mcmitp.com/fr/accueil/

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>>32394139
Did a frenchman fucked your gf mate?

>>32394540
>this point is purely doctrinal but nothing stops the plane from having it. Actually Gripen and EF don't have it either, since it requires an Aesa radar. Also, datalinks aren't stealth, and counting on the radar of the missile instead of your own seekers means your detection capabilities were subpar in the beggining.

Holy shit you're a retard.

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>>32394256
>US\UK bromance in a big group of friends
>france got jealous and wanted in on the two US\UK relationship
>tried shit to make the two happy so he could join the circle
>Both the US\UK shrugged it off and called it "cool"
>france got asshurt
>threw a crying fit, begging anglo-bro's to let him in their friendship bromance
>the two ignored them
>france threw his toys away and childishly left the big group of friends

Holy fucking kek some drawfag make a polandball comic or something about this. Haven't laughed this hard in a while

>>32394309
HUR, EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME ARE OBVI AMERICAN. FOOKIN AMERICAN

>>32394139
>treats is colonies like shit

I'd agree with everything but this, france actually puts some effort into managing its territorial possessions.

>>32394540
>And Where exactly are the biggest MBDA factories located ?

Stevenage.

>And in what country is located the head office of the company ?

This is irrelevant, head offices are not where the bulk of work is done, they are placed for tax reasons and access to industry.

>And where are the main testing grounds ?

Wherever they need to be.

>And why the CEO is named Antoine Bouvier, obviously a japanese with such a name ?


The nationality of the current CEO is hardl;y an indication that its a french company, especially since most of the board is from the UK.

The BAE share is British, the airbus share is part french part german. deal with it.

>>32394793
After the Belgians the French colonies were the most mistreated, especially in Africa.

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>>32394540
>Actually Gripen and EF don't have it either, since it requires an Aesa radar. Also, datalinks aren't stealth, and counting on the radar of the missile instead of your own seekers means your detection capabilities were subpar in the beggining.

oh man the shit I read here

>>32394445
Retard

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>>32394139
French Rafale can defeat any USA and Europe best jet fighters anytime, anywhere

>>32394900
low quality bait

>>32394900
What's going on here?

>>32394139
>Afghanistan
>Mali
>Central Africa
>Worthless and undeserving
Okay

>>32395036
go youtube and wrote f22 vs rafale

>>32395021

I dont think it's bait, i think Frogs actully think this way, look at this retard >>32394540

Not much of a jump away.

"not having a data link is doctrinal"

>>32394900
Haha this post again.

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>>32394139
>giving more power to Merkel

Turkey is by far the shittiest member of NATO

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>>32394445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqaIgeQXQgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHsXWYaTlik

>>32394763
Perfect exemple of how americans really view things...

I wouldn't be surprised if Countryballs and Rambo movies replaced your history classes, in this greasy retard farm called USA.

>>32395106
>I dont think it's bait

>The meme Rafale vs F-22 video

It's bait.

>>32395170
>Everything I don't understand is either /pol/ or a meme.

>>32395165
if pizza count as vegetables then rambo can count as an historical documentary, you commie little faggot

>>32394900
Lmao! American desperately trying to fly away while the french effortlessly rektify him!

>>32395036
ATLC 2009, mock dog fight and WVR between F22, Rafale and Eurofighter.

Full video here, begins later in the vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGuWadoTgkE

That's when the EF got assblasted 7 to 1 against the Rafale in 4v4
Mock up dogfights with the F22, on 6 engagements, led to 4 draws, 1 F22 "kill" and one Rafale "kill".
but hey, you will only find butthurt anglos telling you that's not true here.
However be assured if the same footage was showing a Rafale getting his shit pushed in, it would be EVERYWHERE and used as a proof of superiority (wich no french ever claimed on a serious tone). When it happened, there were even tards on this board stupid enough to believe they could teach the F-22 pilot to fly, believe it or not.

Funny isn't it ?
They start the shit, get shat on, don't have any fact, proof, data or whatever to produce, then bitch more.
It's pathological. The same happens on every defense forum.
Meanwhile, big boys know what's going on. And again, when talked seriously to, are pretty much aware of their strenghts and weaknesses.

Oh also, since Rafale is so shit and France irrelevant, then why did this happen ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ85Zmu55w4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95pzmbvlZLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8QrriDzAZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZxdRaRQZe0

I bet it's another plot from the french to force people to accept them.

topkek

tl;dr : stop the shitposting. We know you'd really really like the frogs to be irrelevant. Sadly facts prove they're not. Deal with it.

>>32395204
This video has been posted for years by Rafalefags, it's a bullshit engagement with retarded parameters. It's a meme.
Educate yourself.

>>32394139
At least they didn't pay the Taliban not to attack them in Afghanistan...

>>32395238
Italians on suicide watch

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>>32395226
Haha yeah fucking based right?

>>32394238
And refused to pay any of the debts to France while they starved, because they spent shitloads of money pissing England off and being a major part of winning our independence

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>>32394139

>Be french
>Give independence to USA, just to be nice, and to make an ally against England
>They chose to make themselves the bitch of England
>They come back in WW2 to bomb your cities (mostly the ones without the your german cousins, invited over)
>See this thread
>Mfw

>>32395229
>strip the raptor of everything that makes it the raptor
>BARELY keep the lock and STILL get outturned
You do realize the pilot himself said the raptor had to play with lots of disadvantages, right?
In reality, the Rafale would never see the Raptor and get blown to pieces without knowing what happened. If you unironically believe you'll get to engange the raptor in something that isn't BVR, you're stupid.

>>32394139
Wtf?! I come to this thread to bitch about frogs and yet everyone is mocking the US? We should just nuke the whole world!!!

>>32394139
France best ally.

Britbongs GTFO, Italy and Germany BTFO, all others irrelevant, Turkey a shithole.

>>32395106
>not having a data link is doctrinal
Never said that and you're retarded.

What is a one way datalink ?
it's the ability a missile has to be sent informations by the firing plane so the missile can benefit from datas collected by the radar of the firing plane.
Right ?

What is a two ways datalink then ?
It's the ability a Missile has to also send back data to the firing plane so this plane can have a better tactical view of who's where and how do they react to the attack.

This happens at mach 4.5. That lets a few seconds at best against a manoeuvering ennemy to gather informations. At these speeds, 10 seconds means 8 miles. That's a tiny window to use such a capability.

If you don't know what you were firing on, that's a way to obtain a better tactical situation to either chose a better target, or trying to retask your missile. That is correct. But that means there was a big problem from the beggining with your engagement:
>your radar and detection systems could not discriminate targets
>bad data/sensor fusion did not allow you to obtain the infos you wanted
>therefore you need this two way datalink to follow the engagement and adjust your tactical view while the engagement is going on

However :
The radar in the missile is tiny, meaning it's merely a deported sensor.
The datalink is already not stealth in terms of emissions, just like every datalink out there.
To achieve a maximum PK, you need to keep the link alive during a lot of time, allowing your target to search for an escape route. Which you hope will be cancelled by enhancing your tactical view. This however lets your target retaliate pretty easily, and worse, will only work IF you can illuminate the target with BOTH of your sensors, radar and missile, at the same time, which means being face to face.
That's why the future EF Aesa will get a repositionner, mind you, allowing it to see at 90 degrees on the side. Crazy right ?
That's also why without an Aesa two ways are useless.

>>32395597

"NEVER SAID THAT"

>two way data link
this point is purely doctrinal but nothing stops the plane from having it.

YES YOU DID BUDDY.

>>32395635

Don't bother, he's the schizophrenic Rafalefag.

>>32395635
>>32395933
Samefag

>>32395974

On what ground do you assert this

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The French are our bros.

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>>32396002
This one

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>>32396002
>>32396005
>>32396054

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>>32395974
SUCK IT

>>32396126
>What is Photoshop?
Son, I...

>>32396138
>being this desperate not to lose an argument

if only you put so much effort into wars.

>>32396157
Actually I prefer to travel to the US and cuck the fat boys, while you go innawoods showing off your expensively useless gear. Merry xmas, I got you a little brother this year!

>>32394139
>no blue water navy
What?

>>32394139
Are you an idiot

>>32396741
they have 3 oilers. that's it. and no major warships based overseas.

>>32394139
>/k/: politics

>>32394273
>italian wine superior to french wine
god no

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>this thread
We need more mandatory modern history in schools.

>>32397009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy#France
Not my speciality, but a country with just one nuclear submarine could have the title of blue water navy to me.

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>This thread
Are /int/ now

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OP BTFO

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This is now a french soldier thread.

>>32397190
shut up kid

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>>32398133
Did you get your shit pushed-in, Amerilard?

>>32394540

>not having a two-way datalink is doctrinal

Why are there so many absolute retards shilling this crap lately?

>>32394153
Yet they can't make a FAMAS mk2


>Germany.. Germany please. Sell us melt fish

Russia. Literally third-world-tier dictatorship

>>32398700
What kind of camo is that

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>>32394139
France is the only other country besides Russia do anything noteworthy against Islamic terrorists. Sans Israel of course but theyre not doing anything major right now in terms of military operations.

>>32394139
A reminder that if you are:

>American
France won independence for you
>English
You country was defeated by France more times that it has happened in return
>German
France conquered the entirely of Prussia in 2 weeks
>Anyone else
You are probably a sandnigger

>>32400961
Geez, I dunno, FRENCH?

>>32402119
I am a burger and I do not wish france any ill will. I only wish to help them remove kebab.

>>32396317
>what is grammar for 2000, jerry?

>>32401046
How can you say that? Israel has always been there to provide medical aid to ISIS terrorists and then claim unironically that they didn't ask who they were at the start of treatment.

>>32394273
>italian better than french wine
>napoleon was italian

but both of these are wrong. napoleon was a corsican not Sardinian.

Does France have any noteworthy SOF aside from the GIGN?

>>32402652
1erRPIMa aka French SAS

>>32402652
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Marine_Infantry_Parachute_Regiment

>>32402652
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Command_(France)

Overwatch for all SpecOps matters

>>32402320
He means what pattern, Sperg Ferguson

>>32394831
I thought we were talking about France today.

>>32402832
>What pattern
Google
French Camo
CCE

God damn, the spoon-feeding is real. The French either use this or Daguet.

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>>32402965
based

>>32394273
>Italian anything better than anything

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>>32402965

I took this pic for /k/ when I was bored on post in Afghanistan in 2010. Completely forget about it until now.

>>32402965
He does.

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>>32403006
I demand proofs

>>32402965
I hope he's ok

>>32403004
Holy shit that's a long time to forget.

>>32403037

yeah i know. Seeing the Mali /k/ommando just triggered the memory in my head.

>>32403044
Would love to hear about your experiences somehow.

>>32402711
>>32402723
So that's the French equivalent of the SAS/Delta? How good are they?
Websites also mention the 13e RDP, are they the same?

>>32403088

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_Parachute_Group

>>32402731
Except DGSE stuff.

>>32403145
That's more like the CIA though.

>>32403088
It's literally the French SAS, it has the same origins in wwII, except with free French volunteers. They even have kept the motto and all.
You won't find dick about how good they are. Suffice to say they cross train, and they are deployed on a constant basis.

>>32394139
>Is there more worthless ally
yes, when Saudi and the Turks are "allies". Shit, the roaches are in NATO.

>>32403160
CPIS/CPES effectively does the same kind of shit, except with deniability. That part of the dgse is 100% military too.

>>32403188
What's the equivalent of MI6, CIA, and KGB in France

>>32403188
I thought the DGSE also did signals stuff like the NSA?
What's the difference between CPIS and CPES?

>>32403214
There is a purely military branch. CPIS/CPES are part of the "service action".
Honestly, this shit is still arcane even for me, and I know personally two guys who signed up with them, though one of them got kicked out after an injury after two years.
Officially, the acronym is for an """"""instruction"""""" unit.
Cant really tell the difference between them honestly.
There's also the CPOM, but those specialise in wet insertion/sabotage/rainbow warrior shit.

The ELINT part is mostly civilian. DGSE is a hybrid military/civilian organisation.

>>32403205
DGSE would be it.

>>32403247
I've heard they recruited civilians directly for the service action, what's up with that?

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>>32403247
>>32403265
Shit looks pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz7BwDavMcQ

>>32403275
>you will never operate that hard

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>>32403283
>mfw

>>32402965
I also wonder if Frenchfag still posts

>>32403297
You could still probably work with guys like that on the field, especially if you're from a tactical sigint background, but never actually do what they do. feelsbadman

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>>32403314
I have a degree and am proficient in a language that might be needed but I'm too old(27) and have no military experience to do anything cool. I should've gone into the military when shit was really going down in Iraq/Afghanistan. I dun goof'd. In the process for being a city cop and eventually work in CT or something on a city level at least.

>>32403270
Support structure is civilian, my bad.
The former 11th Shock SAD-type shit is military tho.
>>32403275
They exceptionally accepted journalists on a low-level mission to confirm a tip in an area where French presence is official anyway. Interesting, but you're not learning much.
I'd be more interested to learn what shit they are up to in Libya, because their presence there is all but acknowledged since there have been casualties.

>>32403313
Frenchfag is now commanding a Leclerc platoon and probably has no personal life to speak of now.
As is tradition for junior officers, he even probably doesnt have vacations for Christmas.

>>32394150
France wasn't a shit country 240 years ago. Now it's a cucked hell hole full of sand niggers.

>>32394238
>literally 5 versions of France ago

>>32395137
This needs to become a trend unlike the trend of niggers and liberals spray painting fucked up swastikas all over the place

>>32403391
What is your problem with the French. Because you sound like a friend of mine who just constantly shits on them and doesn't tell why other than "I'm a marine so I'm better than them"

>>32403391
Reminder.
>60%

>>32403410
the painters need to take a calligraphy course first
even just on kerning that shit is terrible

>>32403340
Frenchfag here, you can directly enlist into CPIS as an EVAT, no need for prior military experience. Not sure if it's the same for CPES, probably not for CPEOM.
The training program alone lasts 3 years.

>>32396317
sounds like something a nogunz would say

>>32403446
Fo you have more info on the CPIS? Can't seem to find much.

>>32400258
I've asked questions about this in a previous thread.
For me if 2 planes are developed and built in the same time, have access to the same technologies, and end up with different features: it's a doctrinal choice...
I may be wrong since I know nothing about electronics, but it seems logical.

>>32403567
It's hard to find info on it, and everything you will find is gonna be in French.
CPIS takes care of clandestine shit, they're the DGSE's spooky high speed operators. Their job is demolition, hostage liberation, assassinations, whatever.
CPES take care of HUMINT. They go through the same basic training program as CPIS but are not focused on combat. Their job is to monitor HVTs, retrieve/steal important documents, etc
CPEOM is, as far as I know, the same as CPIS, only they're trained for underwater combat as well. Their training program is the hardest of the Service Action and one of the hardest in Europe>>32403473
overall, with a >95% failure rate. It isn't rare for them to recruit zero people for several consecutive years, just because none of the applicants can make it through training

>>32403855
Don't know why I quoted >>32403473 right in the middle of my post, disregard that

>>32403391
>Now it's a cucked hell hole full of sand niggers

Remove the "sand" and you have the USA

>>32403418
I'm better than them

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>>32403855
Thanks man, sounds to me like pure fcking French badassery!

>>32403418
>>32403421
The USA has been a multiracial society for 400 years. And you?

>>32403939
>The USA has been a multiracial society for 400 years.
Keep telling yourself that.

>>32403939
Correction: It's been 85-90% white for the past 400 years, with minority slave populations concentrated in rural areas and having limited contact with the non-rural population. Now the U.S. is 65% white and dropping, and the urban areas are primarily non-white.

As ethnic composition across the country becomes more balkanized, a universal civic identity becomes harder to maintain. Combine that with anti-assimilatory attitudes, and the US will probably start to face serious ethnic violence and sectarian issues before the end of the century.

>>32403391
Does a us citizen dare speak about the amount of niggers in any foreign country?
At least France niggers don't have easy access to firearms in order to kill so many innocent people aside killing themselves.
I forgot, they have those weapons, an full auto, but at least they know how to use it not to kill a bystander each and every drive by.
>When niggers and sandniggers in a foreign country banning severly weapons shoot better than a so called white country with "muh freedum".
TL; DR.
/k/ is becaming stupider than /pol/.

>>32394181
France fought in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. France has now 60 millions inhabitants. During the Indichina War, France was rebuilding its economy. It was in no way capable of financing a war. Logically, lost the war. Indichina becomes North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Three of those countries are pro-West.

USA the world's main super power. A population six time bigger than France. A booming economy. Only had to fight in South Vietnam. Still had to run back home. All three allies in the area become communist. Red Khmer genocides 30% of the Cambodian population, Laos genocides Hmong people (allies of USA), purges throughout Vietnam, boat people, etc. How exactly is that better?

>>32403802

Not all countries have the same technological knowhow, budget and they weren't developed at the same time.

Rafale wasn't designed with air to air combat as a focus, hence its small radar, lack of BVR missile for so long and no HMD. If there was any doctrinal choice it was "we don't want to spend a fuckton of money on developing a two-way datalink to help us get this thing out faster", but it isn't because there are "advantages".

>>32395037
They more or less ran ISIL out of Mali on their own. It wasn't a big fire, but they got off their ass and put it out, which is more than you can say for most allies.

>>32405001
I don't think you understand the post you replied to.

>>32405001

>on their own

France had what, 5,100 men when adding together all three of their deployed arms at the absolute peak of the campaign?

So we're going to ignore the 16,587 other men who fought alongside them from Mali itself, Chad, Nigeria, Togo, Sierra Leonne, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Niger, Senegal, Netherlands, China, Benin, Guinea, Ghana, Liberia, EU Forces and the FLNA? Or how NATO provided C-17's, surveillance drones, experienced soldiers to train allies in the area, medical teams, refuelling tankers, Chinooks and Apache gunships to support them from countries like Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Spain, the UK and the US? Or how the UAE and Sweden also helped?

The French did well in taking the spearhead to claim the initiative, but to say they did it "on their own" is utter nonsense when their entire force didn't even account for a third of the overall force that participated.

>>32405311
> from Mali itself, Chad, Nigeria, Togo, Sierra Leonne, Burkina Faso, Ivory Coast, Niger, Senegal, Netherlands, China, Benin, Guinea, Ghana, Liberia, EU Forces and the FLNA
Only ones who were half decent and at the spearhead were the Chadians.
All the rest were basically following the tracks. Most of them arrived when the bulk of the fighting was already over anyway.
>Chinooks and Apache gunships
There were precisely none at the height of the conflict.The Dutch deployed them there for the Minusma more than a year after the invasion, and as far as I know they aren't even supporting the French operations and have never fired a shot in anger there.

>>32405553
>and as far as I know they aren't even supporting the French operations and have never fired a shot in anger there
In fact, they have already been pulled out.

>>32405311
>The French did well in taking the spearhead to claim the initiative, but to say they did it "on their own" is utter nonsense when their entire force didn't even account for a third of the overall force that participated.
Now go back and look precisely at who did what and when.

>>32404055
probably before the end of next year by the way things are going

>>32404055
>before the end of the century

I find your over-optimism quite disurbing

>>32403894
Kek

>>32402119
>You country was defeated by France more times that it has happened in return
Britain has saved your country more times that it should have.

>France conquered the entirely of Prussia in 2 weeks
Germany conquered France even with the help of its allies in a month and a half.

>>32406677
>Britain has saved your country more times that it should have.
I'm not French, and it was America that saved France in WW2, not Britain.

>Germany conquered France even with the help of its allies in a month and a half.
2 weeks and a month and a half is a big difference

>>32406677
With 130,000 dead German soldiers

>>32404576
>Not all countries have the same technological knowhow, budget and they weren't developed at the same time.
ok for the budget, but the planes are strongly contemporaries (they were supposed to be the same project at the beginning), and the countries are not only allies but also business partners in military industries, I find hard to believe that it was not just an option. Unless, like you said, for budgetary reason, but it implies that this technology is so out of price it can't be included in the development of a jet fighter... Radar + software? Seriously?

>>32408187

>but the planes are strongly contemporaries

Not as much as their similar shape implies.

>and the countries are not only allies but also business partners in military industries,

Quite the opposite, they are fierce competitors in that market.

> I find hard to believe that it was not just an option

I find it hard to believe France didn't have a BVR missile for the better part of a few decades and made a fighter with an only 850~ t/r module radar that has no traversing mount too, and yet here we are. Just because it exists doesn't mean it'll get it.

>but it implies that this technology is so out of price it can't be included in the development of a jet fighter... Radar + software? Seriously?

Radar and software are the most complex parts of a modern fighter, it's not as unbelievable as you seem to think.

It's better to think of it this way. Two-Way is new. One-Way is the older tech. Planes that can use Two-Way are the exception to the standard rule. F-15, F-22, F/A-18, F-16, Su-30, Su-35, Tejas, F-2, J-10, Rafale etc etc etc all don't have two-way datalinks.

It's not that it lacks something it SHOULD have. It's just that some planes have BETTER.

>>32407185
Also, two weeks with infantry on foot and cavalry on horseback.

>>32408268
>Not as much as their similar shape implies.
By contemporaries I don't mean that they are similar.

>they are fierce competitors
I suppose it's true, like for any company in the world, but there are countless items (like the Meteor missile) that are signed Uk+France+Germany+Italia+Spain etc. They cooperate to say the least.

>BVR missile
Isn't it an example of doctrine? Nothing new nor revolutionary, you choose to have it or not?

>>32408597
*military doctrine

>there are still people that think it's freedom fries time
christ just get over it man, it was almost 15 years go

>>32408597

> They cooperate to say the least.

Those missiles and the planes are designed by entirely different companies.

>Isn't it an example of doctrine? Nothing new nor revolutionary, you choose to have it or not?

"Doctrinal" as Rafale apologists imply is that "One way" has its own advantages, which it does not, as it simply means it lacks a second mode it can activate for two way.

If it is "doctrinal" for the French to lack an entire capability, well I dunno what to say.