Talk me out of Aimpoint CompM4 1/3 cowitness

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>>32381994
Is pic related any good?

>>32382107
Fuck that, they don't even specify the battery life. Plus, a USB port on a fucking red dot? Thanks but no thanks.

>>32381994
CompM4 and PRO mount is kind of dildos

Buy H1/2 T1/2 for smaller profile lighter weight and less xboxhueg mount solution

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>>32381994
Long tube red dot sights are kinda outdated. Everyone seems to be moving away from them in favor of the micro red dots
If you really must get a long tube, take a look at the DI Optical RV1
>Objective size: 30mm
>Lens Conating: multi-coated on all lens surface
>Reticle: 1.5 MOA dot
>Power: 1x AA battery
>Battery life: 10,000 to 20,000 hours
>Illumination setting: 7 daylight + 3 nightvision
>Length: 4-inch
>Weight: 13.75 ounces
>Price: $229.50

>>32381994
What's the catch with Aimpoint ACO? It looks almost the same as CompM4 for half the price?

>>32382484
The ACO is just a cheaper PRO with a shittier mount and 1/3d the battery life for like $50 cheaper
It's better to just save up an extra 50 for the PRO

>>32382484
How does Aimpoint PRO compare to all of these?

>>32382501
compm4 > pro > aco, I think

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What do you get if you want something tacticool and has magnification, but is cheaper than a 2000 dollar acog?

>>32382535
CompM4 with magnifier

>>32382537
drawback is, you get the red dot magnified also. See first vs second focal plane

>>32381994
It's one of the GOAT optics for picatinny mounts. The battery will outlive you.

Do it faggot.

>>32382535
Depends if your eyes are fucked or not. If your vision can be corrected AND you can use your glasses while shooting, anything goes. If you're having difficulties with shooting with your glasses, then you're fucked - all really decent sights and fixed magnification scopes are coming without diopter correction, and you'll have to resport to something like Vortex Spitfire 3x or Burris 3x or 5x, whatever their model name is.

>>32382544
what's GOAT optics?

>>32382572
Greatest Of All Time.

Up there with Trijicon's RCO and the original EOTechs before their lies came to light.

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>trying to decide on red dot for scar 17
>inb4 lel red dot on battle rifle
>I'm getting 3 different optics for all applications
>looking at trijicon MRO

I wanted something with a bigger profile because MROs are pretty small, but I also like that it has a better field of view than t1/t2 micros. Eotechs are trash. Is the MRO my best option for durability to take my scars recoil or should I look elsewhere?

>>32381994
The COMP m4 is a great red dot and I have one. But, you say this is for a PDW build? If that is the case I would recommend a T2 in a mount of your choice. It is smaller, weighs less and is just as durable but with less of a "tunnel effect" that you see with the pro and comp series. Whichever one you get, you will not be disappointed.

The battery in my T2 has been on for 3 years constantly and is still going strong and the M4 is rated to go even longer.

>>32381994
Real men use iron sigths

>>32381994
I have a pro and it's honestly a great optic. I've never noticed the tubular effect some other anons have pointed out. I also appreciate the 30,000 hour battery life on setting 7.
>also takes some comp m4 accessories so you can use a killflash.

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If life is at stake, just get that CompM4 and don't look back. Fuck eoshit and all other companies.
Itf it's a SHTF rifle, also highly consider the ACOG.

The one thing that catches my attention about the compm4 is that it uses a standard AA battery. I know that aimpoints have excellent battery life but I like the idea of using one of the most common types of batteries.

>>32383813
I love occluded eye aiming with an ACOG to use it like a red dot. It's like a magic trick when I show it to people.

>>32383936
How hard is it to get decent with it?

>>32383962
Not hard at all. I can do it without closing the cover, which makes it great for switching from close to medium aiming styles on the fly.

You can start out by closing a cover (or just putting some duct tape over it). The reticle against a black background is easier to learn with.

The reticle will get a bit fuzzy as you move your head around, losing you pinpoint accuracy compared to a red dot, but it will be center-o-man. In my combat experience you aren't going to be worrying about pin points at close range anyway, just doing walkovers as you shoot center of exposed mass.

>>32382115
>they don't even specify the battery life
This is a fucking huge red flag for me.

>>32382535
Variable zoom scope with an illuminated reticle.

Range from $200 - Countless thousands.

>>32384514
Exactly. No go.

>>32383813
>CompM4
It so happens that my LGS only has M4S at the moment, I'm thinking if I should get it instead. I've seen that there were problems with mounting the magnifier behind it - it interferes with M4S brightness adjustment, is there anything else that is different?

>Fuck eoshit
Amen to that

>>32384041
awesome, thanks

>>32386479
Tried both CompM4 and T-2 on two different rifles next to each other, didn't like T-2 a single bit - the field of view is cramped. CompM4 feels like there were no compromises made.

>>32381994
What spacer needs to be used with CompM4 to get it to lower 1/3 cowitness?

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>>32381994
>Don't care how much it'll cost, my life is at stake

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I've decided on the PRO, anything I should know before I pull the trigger on this?

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>>32387812
That the M4 is more rugged, has better battery life, and a better red dot

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>>32381994
T1 / T2 or bust. Everything else is deadweight. MRO's FOV is a bit too big and silouette is larger, and distracts you more visually from making a shot.

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>>32387849
Open the images in tabs and switch back and forth. Decide which you like better.

>>32387840
>7.62x51 in 50 shades of shit
>1x reddot
>taclight too far forward getting covered in soot, so you can dumb-over-bore more extravagantly
Were you going for the CoD:MW2 look, or just a huge faggit?

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>>32381994
aimpoint shill pls go


holosun
holo is love
holo is life

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>>32382501
PRO is pretty legit. One of the better value "hard use"/"military grade" red dots.
I got m8ne with the QRP2 for $280 used.

>>32382115
>>32382107
They spoke on arfcom about battery life, saying they are still testing/improving and that it would be better than EOTech, but not Aimpoint level.

USB port is completely separated from the main components of the optic, it is literally only there if you want to use rechargeable batteries. If it happens to break it doesnt matter at all. Water/debris in the port will not affect any other part of the red dot.

Literally the only downside is the length of it, so if you don't mind a 2.5 inch long holo sight, it's an excellent option.

>>32382760
try the RX30 as well. Huge field of view and has held up well on my 300 blk pistol shooting subs and supers.

>>32386436
>>32384514
they haven't specified it because theyre still working on the damn thing. Wait till shotshow before you shit on the thing.

>>32387796
Laugh all you want, I was a nogunz until San Bernardino. Then I snapped, and got serious. I'm not here for plinking, but to kill the fucker that is planning to kill me.

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>>32387877
You prefer the Nightforce?
And im 6'4"
If I could push the light out another 4" I would

>>32387877
>Open the images in tabs
Like I said, I did better - I've tried them on two different rifles next to each other. I didn't even consider MRO - my gut feeling doesn't like it. M4 is bulkier, but there's less silhouette relatively to clear space within, so it feels better. I don't care about weight - my training rifle is AR-10, so this is actually going to be a walk in the park in any case.

Last question to solve now is - do I really want to go extra step to get it to lower 1/3 cowitness, or it's good as it is. That, and whether I want a QD mount - probably not, because it won't matter that much for CQB, and for longer ranges I have different setups.

>>32387904
>military grade
That designation is not for shits and giggles.

>>32387935
We can only judge based on information they provided themselves, which is none (not even an estimate) - and figuring out how a constant power consumer will drain the battery is not exactly rocket science by now (yes, I know, temperatures, cycles, pressure, etc. - there are test farms for that). Give me information - I'll go eat my hat.

>>32382544
Does the default CompM4 mount return to zero upon reassembly?

>>32387994
Then what is it?

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>>32387946
>I'm not here for plinking, but to kill the fucker that is planning to kill me.
woah! whatever you say tough guy. get out there and slay that dragon.

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>>32388067
If it's any comparison, the QRP I have my PRO in has good rtz. They mount to the gun the same way, but attaching to the optic itself is different.

I've swapped it between a few guns without readjusting zero and put it back on my pistol with it holding the original zero several times.

>>32382133
You remove this post this instant. P km

>>32387979
I stand corrected - it was CompM4S that I tried, not CompM4. Still can't decide which one I want - the M4S has a better silhouette, on the other hand, should I ever want to install a magnifier behind it, I won't be able to operate it with my left hand. Plus, looking at the pictures, I don't know if the battery compartment will be hit by brass at least sometimes.

>>32388830
Getting his by brass is literally meaningless, if it even happens.

>>32388847
Is there equipment other than the magnifier the low positioned battery compartment may interfere with?

>>32381994
>Intended application is PDW for SHTF. Don't care how much it'll cost, my life is at stake.

Save your money, your imagined scenario will never happen.

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>>32381994

unless you have a magnifier or NVGs, then you don't need a T2

T1 is plenty functional, and my T2 has been on for the past 2 years and is still illuminated and is probably half the weight of a CompM4

microdots are easier to use with both eyes, if im going heavier than a microdot i'll probably run an eotech over a CompM4

>>32387877
you jelly of his scar faggot?

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>>32388958
Not really

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>>32387946
>Then I snapped, and got serious. I'm not here for plinking, but to kill the fucker that is planning to kill me.
please go roleplay about your SHTF WROL fantasies somewhere else

this is the next wave of cringy zombie apocalypse "preppers"

>>32381994

You don't want monstrosity on a PDW.

Get an EXPS3. Lighter, smaller, better reticle.

>>32382535
Acog aren't $2000, even if you get the best one with an RMR. When I bought one it was around 1200$.

>>32388981
NVG vs non-NVG is the difference between T1 & T2 vs H1 & H2

>>32388959
>will never happen
what exactly will never happen? A couple of arabs with AR-15s bursting into a Christmas party (California)? A deranged woman rear ending another car on red light then walking out of the car and shooting the driver of the car she just rear ended (Arizona)? A truck driver mowing a crowd (Nice, Berlin)?

Yeah, sure.

I'm not saying that this is the only thing I count on. Look into the past again - had people in kill zones been able to protect themselves, the body count would've been much less. Each of those cases above is SHTF for me, it costs lives.

>>32389562
If you take this as roleplay - you're welcome to play in your own sandbox. To me, this shit costs money and, most importantly, time of my life that I'd rather dedicate to something more fun and/or productive, but I have a responsibility to protect my family, and I'm taking all the measures I can not to be a sheep when the time comes. And it fucking comes much more often than I'd like it to.

>>32390057
you're not wrong, but you could try to sound like less of an edgy larper

Anyone have an experience with Sightmark M-Spec?

Just found out about this sight, seems like pretty good value. Im torn between a Vortex Sparc 2, Sparc AR, or Spitfire 2.

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all you faggots need

>>32390057
Never happen.

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>>32390500
Just get a PA advanced micro dot if youre in that price range. Basically a budget T1 minus some of the ruggedness. 50k hours of battery on a constant on setting.

>>32389618
It's a 3 oz difference, which is noticeable, but the aimpoint has a much better battery life, is more robust, and isn't currently offering no questions asked refunds on their product that they lied about the testing results.

>>32390651
This is good for you if you have the three twenties: 20 years of age and 20/20 vision. For less perfect creatures, additional gadgets are welcome.

>>32390651

I mean if you're stuck in the 80s, yeah, go for it.

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>>32381994
Final verdict for me: Aimpoint CompM4S.

>DI Optical RV1
Thanks for mentioning this, might try it out someday. I'm sure CompM4 will hold perfect resale value should I ever need that,
and it'll make a perfect baseline for comparison to anything.

>>32390500
I've had terrible experiences with SightMark. Would not recommend.

>>32381994
>Don't care how much it'll cost, my life is at stake.
lol no it isn't

>>32381994
I have a t1 and m4s and truth be told I'd just go with the micro

I bought the m4s for the larger glass and a little variety but it's just too bulky for a rds and does nothing the micro accomplishes. It's a great sight but it's twice the size of a micro for the trade off being a extra 5mm of glass

>>32391002
Sure.

http://www.cbs5az.com/story/24479812/pd-man-shoots-kills-intruder-in-home-invasion
http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-fatally-shoots-home-intruder-phone-911-theyre/story?id=43905139
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Culpeper-County-Homeowner-Shoots-Kills-Intruder-With-Suspects-Gun-404340436.html
http://www.kfvs12.com/story/20630957/police-82-year-old-mo-man-shoots-intruder
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix-teen-shoots-intruder/55782484/1
...

>>32382535
one of the acog knockoffs on amazon I suppose

>>32387898
Holosun what though? What model and what does it cost? Can you link to any forum where they discuss its merits?

>>32392958
AKOU beat one up for a while during a test
the Primary Arms Advanced Micro Red Dot is a rebadged Holosun

There are two main variants for Holosun micros:
403 is the basic red dot version. About $160 normally.
503 can go between red dot and circle dot (eotech) reticle. $200-240 depending on which one.

There are also solar, flip cap (as opposed to bikini cap), and recessed turret versions of the above two.

I've seen them as low as $180 for the 515 (solar, flip cap, recessed turret) version and $110-120 for the 403

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>>32387898
>mfw the battery dies
>mfw it stops working randomly
>mfw it fogs up
>mfw you can't see through it in low light because lol shitty dark chink glass
>mfw it doesn't hold zero either

There's a reason serious users don't use Chinese optics.

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>>32387946
Good on you, you never know when the next kebab attack will happen.

>>32382535
Is the whole manga like that or only that chapter?

>>32383890
>most common types of batteries.
>AA not most common
what the fuck are you on?

>>32392773
5 stories covering 4 years in a country of 300 million people.

Statistically speaking, the person you are most likely to shoot is yourself. Given that you're a LARPing manchild who can't tell reality from fantasy, that would be best for everyone.

>>32393987
What are you doing here, CTR?

>>32393987
Antifa fag, are you here learning about guns?

>>32395565
I'm not anti anything. I love guns. I'm just not a delusional manchild.

>>32393154
Shes a westaboo who acts out everything she sees in games in real life like playing splinter cell and then doing the wall hanging thing on a bridge too scare her friend or trying to see if she could rob a bank becuase of pay day

>>32393987
>Statistically speaking, the person you are most likely to shoot is yourself

>it's a liberal cites a debunked statistic episode
i want reddit to leave

>>32387904
>Renegade Trailhawk
Ayyyy. I wanted one until I saw how fucking huge they were. Barely smaller than my late 90s full size SUV.

Compm4 is best SHTF red dot. 8 fucking years life off AA cells. Your grandkids will still be able to use it long after other battery cell production and supply has run out.

>>32393024
I don't think you've seen their unofficial newest gens.

>>32384514
Same here but considering what product line it's going in and vortex's reputation, I doubt it will be a turd

So are eotechs still shit or have they been worked out already?

Id like to pick one up.

>>32382760
I like my MRO, have it on an AR Pistol right now