Why is this gun so expensive? It's literally an oversized 45.

>>32380929
Because it's an HK

>>32380929
Because you're poor

>>32380929
German engineering.

>>32380929
Go read an economics book faggot

>>32380929
It's slides so long I want to eat it

>>32380929
>muh special forces
>muh operator pistol

thats literally all.

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>>32380929
I was wondering the same thing. I was in an LGS today
>Nearly every hammer fired HK is around $1,000
>Mk 23 is $1,850
All of my why. It does have that rubber cock ring on the barrel I guess.

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>>32380929

-Limited Production Pistol
-H&K Being H&K
-Probably most tested Pistol in history
-Designed from the ground up to operate on .45 Super (ie ++P rounds on steroids) for its entire service life.
-Essentially built to be indestructible. From its coating to springs, and barrel, this thing will probably outlast its owner.

>>32380998
This too. You're paying for the mystique of where this pistol came from and what it was designed to do. Still love mine despite all of it, especially if you have big hands.

>>32380929
If you know what it is you know why it's expensive. Jesus is this the shit that keeps /k/ up at night?

>>32381032

>It does have that rubber cock ring on the barrel I guess

The longer barrel USPs (tactical, expert, elite) all have o-ring barrels. The HK aftermarket threaded barrel is o-ringed as well.

>>32381039

>Limited Production Pistol

It'll get a lot more expensive overnight when H&K finally stops producing them.

>>32380998

Luckily the usp compact is more widely used by operators

It's expensive because once upon a time, H&K got a bunch of dollarydoos from SOCOM to design an "offensive pistol", and everyone at H&K shrugged their shoulders and upscaled a USP in a scanner and slapped a nice price tag on it for shits and giggles.

>>32381039

I dont know much about guns, so what is that button on the Mk .23, just above the trigger? I've noticed something similar on Glocks, though it looks more like a switch.

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What ever happened to the Surefire XVL2 ? Would have been perfect on the Mark 23.

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>>32380929
>oversized
The magazines sure aint

>>32383817
https://tnvc.com/shop/surefire-x400v-irc/

>>32383815
slide release or maybe used in disassembly

Because you suck, and we hate you.

>>32380929
>oversized
Woman detected

>>32383985

Ah ok, I figured it might be something like that.

>>32383831
>https://tnvc.com/shop/surefire-x400v-irc/
No visible laser though, only IR.

>>32384030
Missed that difference, fair enough.
Demand?

>>32380929
You're paying for the brand name

>>32384509
How's your hi point poorfag

>>32384603
Hi point works. Fags like you pay shitloads to have their guns 'pimped'. You're more of a nigger than an actual nigger.
>inb4 paradox

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Get one and find out faggot.

>>32384620
A sharp stick works too. Doesn't mean it's the best choice because it's cheap.

I'm going to get another hk this spring, usp expert (or something) or mk 23. What is better about the mk 23?

>>32381039
>-Limited Production Pistol
the only way it is going to fall out of production is if SOF ceases to exist.... which basically means never.

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>>32383823
Hold one of each and you will feel the difference. I've owned both and other can capacity the 23 is killing the FNXt. I've actually sold my FN since then.

>this is coming from a guy who loves FN products as wel.

>>32384652
The trigger on the mark 23 is better, not only the smoothness and reset but the physical trigger is metal instead of polymer, just gives a nice feel.
Everything else is stuff you won't notice (maybe a longer sight radius) because most of what makes a mark 23 is the fact that it's insanely overbuilt to handle ridiculous amounts of +P 45 ACP

>>32384650
1. Load
2. Aim
3. Pull trigger
4. BANG
What more does a reasonable person ask from a mechanical device?

>>32384687
If this is the case its stupid to own anything above a high-point or nugget. People buy shit because they want more than the bare minimum, much like people decided that maybe they want to drive a slightly nicer trim car. It may be stupid to you, but to me it makes sense and vice versa.

>>32384681
Okay thank you.
So if I'm content with 9mm, there is really no reason to get a mk23.

>>32384654
They haven't bought these in a long fucking time friendo

>>32384681
USP is also overbuilt, it is popular for .45 super

>>32384747
>It may be stupid to you, but to me it makes sense and vice versa
Anon, it's not stupid to me. It just reminds me of mac owner douchebags sitting in starbucks pretending they do something worthwile.

What is the difference between 'hurr durr my mac' and 'hurr durr my glawk'?

If it gets the job done reliably, what reason other than elitism is there to shit on it?

>>32384662
I have.
I love the mk23, but mag capacity is a thing, it's basically why I do the own any HK. Ive got sasquatch hands, and the mk23 is a nice size for me.

>>32384840
It's only a 2 round difference. Though personally I hate the feel of the fnx/fnp series so I guess I can excuse a loss of 2 rounds.

>>32383726
What is the purpose of the oring?

>>32384900
Tighter barrel to slide lockup at the muzzle for more mechanical accuracy.

>>32380942
/thread

>>32381039
>will probably outlast its owner
This applies to most well-manufactured guns, really.

>>32385442
>This applies to most well-manufactured guns, really.
QFT

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>>32384654
>the only way it is going to fall out of production is if SOF ceases to exist.... which basically means never.

No one in SOCOM actually liked these much, except the divers. For the other guys, well, they regarded it as too heavy & large to be a useful sidearm.

If suppressors were legal here, I'd probably own one though. They're very accurate & pleasant to shoot. But without a suppressor it's just a desert eagle sized gun shooting .45ACP with a fairly low capacity mag...

>>32380929
Literally the first offensive handgun ever made.

The USP kind of just overshadowed it. Makes sense because the developed the USP as kind of a successor.

It was a good gun though.

>>32385830

Source? I've seen them in Afghanistan.

>>32385881
*only

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>>32385922
>Source? I've seen them in Afghanistan.

I didn't say they were entirely unused by ground teams, it's just that they're not so popular there.

This quote comes from a verified ex-SEAL who did part of the Colt vs HK testing. It was posted on a number of forums, including HKPRO:
>It was finally issued around 1996 or so. I used it in winter warfare a lot, for over the beach work and diving. I preferred my SIG for assaults. Later in my career I did a lot more diving and over the beach work. The Mk 23 was awesome at that stuff. It is the best weapon to have in a hide site when lying up with a Team in a concealed position. You can bring it to bear day or night on anyone sneaking up on you. It is accurate even after blowing through your hide site material, the suppressor is pretty quiet and the LAM lets you get away with a lot. I used it and trained many other SEALs to use it very capably. The SEAL Teams that did not dive as much as, say, SDV Teams neglected their Mk 23’s. The Mk 23’s strengths were not as obvious to those guys who weren’t swimming and diving all the time. Last year a message came out to turn in all Mk 23’s to Crane. At least one SDV Team flatly refused. A few other Teams suddenly decided they should keep a “few”. So those at NAVSPECWARCOM who had sent the message in the first place restricted the expenditure of .45 ammo, instead. SDV Teams now have Mk 23s but no ammo allowance. They even ordered S&W 686’s from Crane to outfit their guys because a SIG will not survive a long dive very well. I know of a handful of guys who have taken their issue Mk 23’s overseas since the ammo cut-off because they know they can get the ammo there and have actually carried them in missions far from the water.

There's some more quotes about weight & land use, but I don't have the time to dig them up. I suspect you can find most if you google the quote above & follow the link to HKPRO.

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But is it really any wonder that most people who rely on rifles, carbines or SMGs aren't hugely interested in such a large handgun to carry around? Both the pistols pictured will do fine as a "fallback" weapon or to take out someone quietly.

If you have no other weapon, I bet everyone would pick the Mk23 though.

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>>32386040

>Crane

Ha, I actually was there for a week doing some training. It was right around the time the Navy had adopted the HK45CT.

>>32383823

Man, I still curse the moron who removed the adjustable sights on my USP45T before I bought it. Fucking retard.

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I always wanted to get one, but my country makes it kinda hard to get multiple weapons of the same caliber and I´d much rather have something like a 6´´ Les Baer with target accuracy. Also I´m not a huge fan of polymer guns unless it´s for carrying or something.

>>32386086
i got a uspt also with original sights removed, bastard had an osprey. oh well i would have upgraded to meep night sights anyways. its only 107$

>>32386222

Yeah I'm going to throw the adjustable nights on there eventually, but man my guns are just begging for a solid .45 suppressor.

Euro mag releases are shit anyway.

>>32380929
>Oversized .45

You literally just answered your own question

>>32384636
Why? A USP is the same thing and arguably better.

>>32387619
>USP
Also, is the USPs line considered behind the 'mark' when compared to newer brands of today?

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>>32387639

Not really, the only thing to complain about is subjective stuff like if you don't like the ergos, although I guess you could complain about the proprietary rail. I just threw a TLR3 on mine, but you could get an adapter if you really cared.

Slide release for sure

>>32387936
>>32387936
Nice.
Last friday I was at the local pawn and they had a used USP 9mm for $800. It looked very nice but I was very skeptical. Seemed a bit much.

Anyone here have any experience with the P30L? I found one at my LGS for $900 new, how overpriced is that?

>>32388118
yeah that's a bit much for a used USP. unless it came with a jetfunnel and 18 round mags or something.

>>32388226
i've shot them and sold them at work and they're okay, but not worth anywhere near full retail. they feel great in the hand and all and the side panel swapping is also neat, but the trigger sucks major ass (spongy, and over-travels more than what most would find acceptable) for what you pay for. if you find a good deal on one, then cool I guess

>>32380929
It's definitely not an oversized 45. These things are extremely overbuilt.

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I was tempted to buy a Mk23, but after much thought I decided to go with a gun that takes away 9mm fags' capacity argument (15+1) and can have a RMR mounted right out of the box. My only complaint is that the safety/decocker handles like flaccid dick

>>32388607
What is it with FN and super high capacity? I'm not complaining but it's slowly turning into a shtick of theirs.

>50+1 pdw
>15+1 .45 pistol
>20+1 pistol

>>32388706
They know we want more bullets and they're gonna give us what we want.

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>>32388607
Aftermarket levers exist
http://www.parkermountainmachine.com/store/p101/PMM_FNX%2FFNP_Tactical_Pistol_Safety_Selector_Levers.html

>>32388727
It's such a double-edged sword for a semi-poorfag like me. I've been thinking about getting a ps90, and on one hand the idea of shooting an entire box of bullets in one magazine is fucking awesome. On the other hand, just thinking about shooting an entire box of 5.7 in a single magazine makes my wallet and bank account shudder in fear.

>>32388754
5.7 isnt that expensive though
http://ammoseek.com/ammo/5.7x28mm

>>32388706
FN makes such great stuff, sometimes I wonder what kind of space magic led to 15 rounds of .45 in a pistol the size of an m9

>>32388745
Trick of the light but this made me giggle:

>gee, bill, why does your mom let you have TWO safeties on your pistol?

>>32389524
is a secondary safety so you can take the extra time to think about if you REALLY want to shoot

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>>32388118

Thanks man, my USP45c is my favorite gun of all time. As for you prices, for reference I paid 650 for the compact (barely used, had all the bluing on the barrel hood and even some on the feed ramp) and I paid 900 for my USP45 Tactical. My buddy picked up a used USP45 fullsize from a cop online at $550, it had carry wear but was pretty much new on the inside.

They've been manufactured for over two decades, you should be able to find good used prices.

>>32388607

I handled on of those with and without a suppressor at an SOT shop down the road from my place. Seemed like a good gun and I liked the SNP 9mm I shot, but it's not my style ergonomically. Still may pick up the compact 9mm one day though. For .45, I'm USP all the way pretty much.

>>32389599

FNP*

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I found mine at a pawn shop for $1,100. I almost shit myself when I saw it.

>>32381039
Agree.

The size and price tag of the goddamn thing seems pretty ridiculous sometimes, but I've had mine for years and I don't regret buying it.

>>32391089
Looks like the mk 23 is objectively superior to those other guns.

>>32389580
u a florida bro?

>>32393100
not that guy but im a florida bro

>>32380942
fpbp

>>32381039
Um... Dude, the fuck did you do to your Desert Eagle's safety? The switch is on upside down.

>>32385830
it was because the gun was never intended as a sidearm

the OHS was meant to be a weapons system you used on it's own (supressor, light and all)

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbRbMQhaDus

>>32388607
>>32389599
fnx seemed like lower quality to usp tac... but i do still want it later

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It's a fantastic soft and easy to shoot handgun. The site radius makes getting rounds on top of each other a cinch. It's a large weapon but it's not overly heavy or unwieldy. I daresay the grip is better than that of a Glock. It is my go-to weapon when I'm out in the brush rain snow sand mud dirt or salt.

>>32395920
In pictures it does seem cheaper, but when holding it you absolutely feel like its a boutique Gucci euro-gat

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>>32393100

Nope, Texas.

>>32395920

It's not bad at all, I just didn't like how it handled or the weird round base of the mags.

>>32397231

I can't say I agree, but it seems to be a good pistol.

>>32391962
No, he just shoots better with his mk. 23

I get groups like that with my Glock all the time.

>>32397231
>>32397260
i messed with it at a gun shop. it is a nice pistol but i felt that usp was better made

>>32386040

What actually makes it better for divers vs other normal modern pistols?

>>32393100
I'm a Florida bro
All I've got is a nugget though, I'm just here to fap to massive .45's I can't afford

>>32397534
My understanding is that the MK23, gets a different Hazardous Environment finish than the USP line. The coating feels pretty thick on mine. My guess it resists abrasion and saltwater more effectively or something.

>>32384817
because it does more than the bare minimum

>>32384817
elitism is why im better than you, faggot

>>32397435
What are you groupings with a mk 23

>>32380929
because trips who live with their parents need an excuse to get more pay day loans until they go to their next militia gathering