What is the best bolt action rifle ever created?

>>32370964
moist nugget

>>32370964
The one that saves your life.

>>32370964
For the purpose of winning wars? The Lee-Enfield, of course.

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>>32370964
Lee-Enfield, if we're talking service rifles. No.4 to specific.

Winchester Model 70 if we're talking civilian or sniper rifles.

Past the jerky responses, Remington 700 is the best.

>>32371060
Model 70 is just a Mauser 1898

>>32370964
The semi-automatic full auto machine gun one.

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Mauser based rifles.
Though i prefer the cock on close models before the 98.

>>32370964

mauser action is the best bolt action

/thread

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>>32370964
Look no further.

>>32371117
>>32371127
But the action on the LE is objectively superior in terms of ease of use and ability to keep on target. With mausers when you pull the bolt you have to move your head out of the way, and even if you didn't the bolt would still block the sights.

>>32370964
>historical value
Lee Enfield

>reliability and durability
Mosin Nagant

>action and user friendliness
Any Mauser or most Mauser variants.

>>32371200
>Reliability and Durability
>Moist butt nugget
>Not Mauser 98
Fucking kill yourself

>>32371109
But refined and in a cartridge that has longer range. And when it was put into the hands of a marine by the name of Carlos Hathcock III, it became a devastating weapon.

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>>32371109
An improved one. By your logic half the world is currently using AR-18's as their primary service weapon.

>>32371225
Nah, he's right. It might be inaccurate as fuck when fired, but it'll still fire, even if you run the damned thing over with a tank. If nothing else, Russians make their guns stupid durable.

>>32371180
T. Britbong

>>32371232
>7.92x57JS
>30-06 Springfield
>Noticeable difference in range.

Yeah I'm gonna call bullshit on that bro.

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>>32371225
>getting this assblasted
A simple "that's wrong" would have done the job, faggot.

>>32371267
No, he's just a Angloboo. Next thing he'll mention is the angle of the bolt throw.

>>32371267
>>32371281
At least debate my points, you dingdongs. And I'm a burger.

>>32371109
Based on the 1903 rifle which was based on th earlier 93 and 96 actions in terms of feeding).
The infringed Mauser patents reffered to magazine, safety, and stripper clips. This is because Mauser had simply stolen the bulk of th eaction design from Lebel.

>>32371262
Mausers are just as reliable and durable. The mosin does not have such a clear lead in reliability to give it an edge over the Mauser on that front.
It's just perpetuation of the "Russian guns are tough" meme

>>32371299
You and I have already debated it. If I recall correctly I owe you a bottle of rum for missing out on our bet at nuggetfest.

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>>32370964
Barring cosmetic improvements, bolt-actions were solved over a century ago.

>>32371259
>By your logic half the world is currently using AR-18's as their primary service weapon.
pmuch です

>>32371316
It's not a meme though. Mosins and AK-47s are ridiculously durable. I mean, it's just a fact. It's been repeatedly proven with people digging ancient ones rusted to shit out of the ground, loading a mag in, and going to town with no issue. I don't even particularly like them in practice, but credit where credit is due.

>>32371337
Sorry man, first time I've ever posted something about LEs being better than Mausers.

>>32371395
Then you almost verbatim copy and pasted another anons argument.

But no, the Enfield Rifle is not the best. Better than the Mauser, but not best. The separate bolt head, the use of rimmed ammo, the exposed magazine, and the relatively weak action strength preclude it from being the best.

>>32371277
8mm mauser craps out around 800 yards, 30-06 good for 1000+ yards.

>>32371435
He probably watched this too: https://youtu.be/7-EdQuAxAII

>>32371449
If you're shooting that sissy shit sammi spec loaded crap maybe. Original 8mm military ammunition, "JS", is every bit the ballistic equivalent of 30-06.

And if you don't know what I mean by SAMMI or JS you aren't educated enough in this subject to be even having thus conversation.

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>>32371449
It doesn't matter, because the superior infantry rounds was 7mm Mauser.

Good for all game up to elephant. Except Bull-Moose.

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>>32370964

Military Rifle? Lee Enfield action
Hunting Rifle? Mauser 98 action
Range Rifle? K-31 cation

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>>32371514
>7mm Mauser is better than 8
Fucking fite me irl feggit

>>32371530
This nigga knows what's up.

>>32370964
From a purely a quality and reliability standpoint the Mauser k98. The bolt design is still being used in rifles today.

>>32371435
Action strength is only a concern if you plan on making it of subpar materials, if that is what you think is best then the Arisaka is hands down the best, rimmed cartridges work fine in a bolt action provided you spend an ounce of thought into loading and the magazines work fine provided you don't go and do something silly like take them out constantly.

In terms of general issue bolt action they are among the best with other factors being up for discussion like capacity, cock mechanism, and length on what makes the best.

>>32371139
>shitty garbage rod dropped twice fired never
A trip fag would like it.

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>>32371530

* I meant Schmidt-Ruben action, not K-31 which has the action.

>>32371533
6.5 Swede or 7mm Mauser in large ring 98 receiver is GOAT Mauser.

>>32371548
Those are all flaws not found however on rifles like the Mas 36, the Type 99, the P14/m1917, and the 1903a3.

>>32371139

It is vastly underrated, but nah.

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>>32371557
OK buddy, whatever you say.

>>32371435
Seperate bolt head aids in manufacture and maintenance, not exactly a negative.
Rimmed ammo is a non-issue, like it has always been.
Exposed magazine is also a no nissue.
Action stength is again a non issue. The No4 in standard chamberings fed exactly the same power ammo as the Masuer 98. Pretty much if it fits the action it will work, same as the 98.

The Enfield fell out of favour becasuse of cost. It use almost 3 times the amount of material and quite a bit more machining, much of it more complicated, than a Mauser derived action. Add in the ready availability of seized Mausers after the wars and it's no wonder it fell by tyhe wayside. Prior to WW1 the Enfield, and the Mannlicher 95, was one of the most popular "expensive" sporting rifles.

Is a no.4 enfield going to be the best shooter out of all the models? I think noI looks the nicest and the sword bayonet is dope, but whats the typical accuracy i would get ot of it? The standard 3-4" at 100 yards or would it do better?

>>32371557
>unironically using the term garbage rod
>unironically using it incorrectly
Kys

>>32371489
I know what I'm talking about, two words for you "boat tail". The 30-06 does have better ballistics than 8mm, its science and can not be refuted. And if you don't get the boat tail reference than go get educated

>>32371643
>He thinks they don't make boat tail 8mm bullets
Eat a dick

>>32371262
>>32371316

You are both wrong.

The Lee Enfield was the best rifle to shoot a motherfucker with until readily available automatic firearms. The action is weaker than the 98, but it is built to fucking fire in the worst conditions over the British Empire.

The 98 is a much better rifle for field and accuracy work. The your Mom's cunt size of an SMLE/No4 chamber isn't best for accuracy, nor cartridges to shoot a fucking charging water buffalo.

>>32371651
Not in ww2 for infantrymen

>>32371630
Lees are slightly less accurate than other bolt actions of its time due to an enlarged chamber so dirt and mud wouldnt cause problems. If youre asking which model of lee is the most accurate, i have no idea.

>>32371662
Do you think M2 ball was boat tailed?
Most 30-06 made was flat base.

>>32371664
That would be the short lived Mk 5 jungle carbine

>>32371671
If you say so. I'm sure you read that on the Internet somewhere so it must be true.

>>32371674
No, it'd be all of them. Lees have oversized chambers to aid in extraction of varying ammo qualities in a wide range of environments. It's not much of a detriment to their effective accuracy, but at a mechanical level they are less accurate than some of their counterparts.

>>32371687
Now you're just trolling buddy.

>>32371711
Your just now figuring that out?

>>32371702
>says the stupid burger who's service bolt action was so shitty he had to go through two world wars without a designated marksman rifle

Enjoy your glocked receivers you faggot.

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>>32371762
>non argument
>the post.

>>32371762
...

The fuck did I just read?

>>32371769
This is why I stay on opchan, fucking pedophilic no guns jap poster.

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>>32371139
>literally about as good as a Mauser 98, in not best 8mm and made 40 years later

>>32371779
It's better than the Gew 98 (or 98k) and in equivalent caliber.

>>32371779
>expecting sense from a contrarian faggot
Look how proud he is to show that peice of shit he went to his backyard and took pictures like he is some bigshot.

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>>32371774
>opchan
>calling anyone a pedo noguns

How's them murders going for ya?

Christ it's gonna be a long winter....

>>32371786
No, it isn't. Kys faggot

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>>32371786
>in an equivalent caliber
>when the French rifle was not in 8mm
useless hypothetical, really.

>>32370964
M1917 Enfield

>>32370964
Entirely subjective. You could go on for days just rambling about specific makes & models of bolt-action rifles and what is better. From an objective point of view, anything with a Mauser action.

>>32371725
>just pretending to be retarded.jpg

>>32371702
>>32371702
You seem to know a lot about milsurp, would you say all the enfield models are more or less equal. I think the no.4 has a free float barrel, but the bayonet is stupid looking. I want a sword on the end of my rifle you know? Would they all be more or less equal fun/accurate to shoot?


Off topic but how hard do you think it would be to build a repro m39 bayonet, i have access to a machine shop but almost no skill in design

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>>32371762
...u wot, nigger?

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>>32370964
Many of the Weatherbys

>>32370964
Once you replace all the Remington parts, the Remington 700 is easily the best bolt action rifle ever made.

>>32372020

not him but the No. 4 is usually regarded as clearly superior to the No. 1

>>32371489
>SAAMI specs are shit and only original military loads are good
>>32371651
>Original military loads are shit and only handloads are good

Or, you could just go and buy a box of 30-06 off the shelf.

>>32370964
Either a peacetime Springfield 03 or a Swedish Mauser. Either. It's a tie.

>>32372020
In general terms you're not going to find much difference accuracy wise between any of the milsurp rifles. They're all around 2-4 MOA with period correct ammo. Some individual rifles might shoot better, some might shoot worse, but generally speaking that's what you should expect. I personally think the No4 mk1 is the best of the Enfields though.

>>32372153
Springfield M1903 is an American meme. We should have just bought license rights from Mauser day one.

Swede Mausers are the Cadillacs of bolt actions though.

There's so many that I love. Stop fighting.

>>32372227
We paid Mauser for his rifle patents. The "infringement" issue came about because of stripper clips. And the Germans were paid for that too eventually.

>>32372241
The only time i stop fighting is when i start fucking.

And i'm still a virgin

>Military
Pick a 98 Mauser variant.
>Civillian
Weatherby Mark V

>>32372260

>inb4 BOOF and his Weatherby test showing how poorly the bolt locks into the receiver, making it potentially unsafe

Although that could've just been shit QC at the factory.

>>32371514
>Want a Ruger No.1 in 6.5x55
>See two for sale in 7x57 Mouser
Very tempting, it's a great round but I already have all the loading gear for 6.5 Swede and I love the hell out of it.

>>32371622
>Separate Bolt Heads
Mother fuckers are notorious for developing excessive headspace after hard usage.
>Rimmed ammo is not a problem
Rimlock, bitch
>Exposed magazine not an issue
Except when they got damaged in the field with no readily available replacements, which they fucking did.
>Action strength not an issue, ammo wasn't that different
First off, fuck off, 8mm > .303 British. Period. Second, action strength very much mattered. Again, the excessive head-space thing was a thing, overpressure ammunition would cause problems which largely precluded the usage of higher pressure ammo (such as from MG's) in an emergency or when you wanted to reach out and touch a bitch when the Mauser ate that shit like breakfast, and wartime Mausers have been converted to Safari calibers without issue. You will wear out the barrel of a Mauser long before the wear out the action and the same just cannot be said about the Enfield.

>>32372328
>Mother fuckers are notorious for developing excessive headspace after hard usage.
First of all, the seperate bolt head isn't the cause of that. In fact it's the remedy. Secondly, "after hard usage" is a gross misstatement. Headspace is only excessive because it was not corrected, in service headspace was something like .074" and was not excessive until it was considerably more, you could still fire with accuracy and do it safely. A Lee Enfield did not develop excessive headspace under hard use, it did it after tens out thousands of rounds and when it did the bolt head or bolt could be changed, amongst other things. It was a non issue in the military.

The problem is fudds for generations have talked about "dat der enfield gonna stretch on ya" and they read misinformed shit in gun mags which is basically shitposting in physical form. Many, in fact most, Enfields have been rebarreled once and some more than that. Receiver life is typically in excess of 50,000 rounds, service accuracy of the barrel was expected to 10,000+, they even had deep rifling to cope with cordite. Saying they wear out quickly is bullshit, I agree Mausers have the advantage of longevity but in practical terms it never mattered for the military.

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>>32371200
>>reliability and durability
>Mosin Nagant

>>32372328
>8mm > .303 British.
true
>>32372328
>overpressure ammunition would cause problems which largely precluded the usage of higher pressure ammo (such as from MG's)
Retarded bullshit from your ass, a No4 could handle Mk8 ammo coated in mud or oil, safety margins were wide and pressure was not an issue with any .303 service ammo. The reason they didn't want Mk8 being fired was that gas blowby that was found to happen with BT bullets in rifles already exhibiting throat wear caused barrels to wear out faster and accuracy to be worse. Shooting Mk8 in a rifle that hasn't had its throat already eroded by thousands and thousands of rounds of cordite will yield good results. It has nothing to do with pressure, just with retarded fuddlore and misinformation.


>Except when they got damaged in the field with no readily available replacements, which they fucking did.
Source me. The only time they got damaged is if you took them out and stamped on them hard enough to bend the feed lips. They're strong as fuck and in case you hadn't noticed every single modern, robust military rifle uses mags that stick out a lot further than a Lee Enfield's.

The LE has so many desirable advantages for a military rifle over the Mauser it's not even a competition. Also find me a complaint about rimlock in service, even the most conscripted buttfucksoldiers were trained to load an Enfield properly and it wasn't hard, nor did it take extra time. Rimlock is only a problem on Youtube.

>>32370964
>Took one of these bolt actions out of a gun once.
>Dipshit part of my brain told me to fiddle with the safety.

>>32370964
The 45mm Glock & Wesson, designed by Colt Koch in 1793.

>>32371030
Except if Russia had mass-produced any other piece of junk to the point where it could be had for 1/10 the price of ordinary rifles, you'd say the same thing about that, too.

>>32371262
>but it'll still fire, even if you run the damned thing over with a tank
same with a Mauser

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>>32371355
>DWM

>>32371762
what did he mean by this?

>>32372227
>Swede Mausers are the Cadillacs of bolt actions though.
actually, that would be South American contract Mausers

>>32370964
What criteria do you rank on

I would say a mossberg something, mainly cause they cheap and accurate

>>32373769
Yeah, Swedes are more like pre 90s Mercedes. That is to say nicer.

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All these kraut ameriboos. The 1903 was a mistake. The winchester 95 should of been adopted, even the Russians loved them more then the nugget they shat out with conscipt labor.

If Springfield wasn't corrupted and trying to line political pockets instead of killing american soldiers with inferior equipment it would of destroyed ww1
>Pic unrelated bait

Looks like a good place to ask this.

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/act-m98msraction.aspx

What would /k/ build with a large ring mauser action?

>>32373825
>winchester 95
>lever action

u wot

>>32373928
Just a nice, classic hunting rifle in a 6.5-7mm round. I wouldn't want to go crazy with an old action, although I know people chamber them in literally everything it's long enough for.

>>32371180
I was issued and extensively fired a Swedish M98/38 and I never had to move my face. A correct firing position will let you comfortably remain in your position while you cycle the bolt.

>>32374033
Correction, M96/38.

>>32374033
As much as I love my Swedes manipulation the bolt without breaking cheekweld is much, much more difficult than on my LEs. Sometimes in prone or squatting I just can't.

That said I think Swedish mausers have some of the silkiest bolts of all time. I put a heavier spring in mine and it still feels like everything is just running through grease when in fact the bolt is all dry outside and lightly oiled inside. My all matching Long Branch is as smooth, but it just doesn't feel as buttery. It might be something to do with the massive size of the Swedish bolt that you register it more because you'd think something so big and long wouldn't be as silky smooth as that.

http://www.americanrifle.com/mausingfield-bolt-action.html

>>32373825
The 1895 isn't really better than the 1903a3 though.

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>>32373959
And? Im not arguing its a bolt action. Im arguing the 1903 shouldn't exist the 95 was a better rifle.

>>32370964
Cheytac M200 Intervention

>>32374152
>he makes his opinions based on video games

Aside from that, reread the OP.

>>32371030
LOL!

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE POSITIVE THING ABOUT THE MOSIN'S BOLT

>>32374174
I like the way it looks and you can use the firing pin as a shiv.

Some guy used it as a prostrate massager. it might have that over other bolts, more research is needed

>>32374174
>THERE IS NOT A SINGLE POSITIVE THING ABOUT THE MOSIN'S BOLT
if you have excessive headspace you can change the bolt head.

that is one positive thing about the Mosin bolt

>>32371837
I second this. Have 2 of them and they are very nice.

Also anybody have any experiance with Howa 1500? I was looking at getting one but wanted to ask /k/ first

>>32371449
NOPE.

the 12 gram 8x57 sS heavy ball bullet, which became the standard German cartridge in the 1930s, has a supersonic range of over 1000 m, making it the longest range standard rifle cartridge ever fielded by any military.

>>32374344
>t. Wheraboo

>>32371060
>Model 70
Dakota Model 76 is an improved CRF Model 70, with the original, stronger Mauser-style breech.

Although CRF isn't really necessary in sporting rifles, so you could argue for the post-68 push-feed Model 70s being almost as good, save for the breech.

>>32374357
>when somebody proves you wrong but you cant take it like a man

>>32371489
>educated
>JS
It's 8x57mm IS, JS is a post-war misspelling to make it easier to read.

>>32374357
>baww I don't like facts!

K98 and general Mauser actions. I mean its the most common action reguarding bolt action rifles

>>32371355
>cosmetic improvements
And the longest lock time in the world, and the thumb cut in the left raceway.

And the magazine requirement, but that's really only a problem for target rifles.

>>32374344
>making it the longest range standard rifle cartridge ever fielded by any military

Does that record still hold? Seems a waste to stop using a cartridge like that.

>>32371566
Is there any reasonable difference in accuracy between the k31 and the k11(or whatever the full length version is called)? Because I can't find any k31s for the life of me, but one of my friends is selling one of the others for $300-325

>>32374403
>And the longest lock time in the world
that's nonsense. the Mauser has a short firing pin travel and heavy spring, giving it a rather short lock time. the smelly has a long lock time.

>>32374412
the regular soldier doesn't need that much of a cartridge and the specialized marksman of today uses even longer ranged cartridges.

>>32374423
>rather short firing pin travel
>over half a fucking inch
>short

Ask me how I know you don't own a Mauser.

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>>32371355
>bolt-actions were solved over a century ago.
Mauser ended development of their bolt action design in 1898, not because they couldn't improve upon it, but because they got what they wanted; a Germany army contract. There was no reason to keep developing something for nothing. Same reason why Browning stopped developing the Colt Automatic pistol in 1911 when the M1911 was adopted by the US Army and Navy.

There are a lot better and simpler bolt action (pic related) and pistol designs out there, but because both the Mauser 98 and M1911, but they became so popular not because they were great designs, but because they already were everywhere because militaries all over the globe adopted them.

>>32372675
Enfields are known to have poor accuracy with boat tailed bullets. That's why the MKVIII ammo was not allowed to be used for the most part.

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>>32374440
>rear mounted locking lugs

>>32374438
I own several. compare that to a lee enfield.

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>>32374468
Lots of guns have rear locking lugs. There is nothing wrong with them and they have certain advantages to themselves too. I was mainly pointing out how simple the action can be made anyways.

Here's the Type38/99 simplification of the Mauser. Very simple to make.

Springfield 1903

>>32374495
just a Mauser with a magazine cut-off.

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>>32370964
K31 because Swiss meme status

M11 Grand obviously

>>32374507
Exactly

>>32374462
>known
You were BTFO hard as fuck twice and you go straight back to this bullshit.

>>32372328
>Again, the excessive head-space thing was a thing
No, it wasn't. That's an American invention thanks to SAAMI having undersized headspace gauges. In almost any case, for a bolt action rifle to have excessive headspace the barrel will have long been ruined.
>>32374562
Oh really? It's my first post ITT on the matter of Enfields.

>>32374161
>Hurrrr i dont have an argument i better call him a vtard

I read the OP just fine faggot. Im not saying the win95 is best bolt action ever, I'm claiming its better than the m1903 for us service to counteract the ameriboos. Besides what makes a lever so vastly different than any other manual action? Are straight pulls not allowed here either?

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>>32374632
>bawwww, why won't you accept my special snowflake non-bolt gun in a bolt action rifle thread?

>>32374632
I did a big series of posts in the last milsurp thread about the 1895 compared to bolt actions, and really the biggest detriments to them were manufacturing and patent issues, not performance ones. Those issues would largely not be present in the US, so the 1895 would have been a good choice instead of the 1903. But performance wise it isn't any better than the 1903 either.

>>32371435
>exposed magazine
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Winchester lever action 30-06

>>32374802
Oh shit, bolt action only. Never mind, I'm retarded

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>>32374824
Don't worry anon, eberyone int his bread is retarded. One side arguing among themselves which mauser is best masuer, and then the try hards on the other side grasping for straws with their weak actions and blackpowder hold overs.

>>32374313
They are nice. Got 1 in 223 under Weatherby name and its all you could ask for.

Ai or sako trg shit kick all your old actions.

>>32371180
>all mausers have a straight bolt

T. Enfag

>>32371355
what is this and why does it make my peepee rock solid

>>32371278
Do you know where you're at? Sperging out is /k/'s pastime.

>>32371795
I know right? Tripfags just can't accept their rifle is shit compared to it's peers.

>>32374068
I just think that's a matter of training. I never had a problem with it during prone, kneeling, standing or even rapid firing. Some did, however, when they didn't understand the proper technique.

I really like Arisaka rifles and carbines starting with the Type 38. Kijiro Nambu took a look at a Mauser action and then decided he could make that even stronger and more simple. And well, he pretty much succeeded. also I strangely enough found that I like the dust cover.

Also, I really like 6.5 Arisaka and similar cartridges in general. They're a joy to shoot.

>>32374440
But the 1911's development didn't stop with the M1911, the M1911A1 happened, and the Series 80's eventually came around, there's still things being tweaked on that gun. The 1911's tilting barrel lockup isn't even what really makes Browning's name so common when it comes to pistol design, it's the reciprocating slide introduced with the FN 1900 and the linkless version of his short recoil tilting barrel introduced with the P-35/Hi-Power.

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>>32370964
THE M1917 ENFIELD RIFLE! THIS IS NOT A FUCKING ARGUMENT! ALL ABOVE POSTS ARE HEARBY INVALID.

>>32377648
Whats so special about it ameriboo

>>32377738
Not that guy but, technically the design is completely British (P14 rifle). And I agree with him. They had every intention of mass producing it to replace the SMLE but couldnt get around to it bc of World War 1 starting. It's a cock on close, Mauser style action that's just very well thought out.

-Points and handles well
- Much better sights than a Mauser or lee enfield. (the US 1903A4 copied them)
-Cock on Close
- Built like a tank
- Very Accurate

Only cons I can think of are that they are a bit heavier than other rifle of the same class.

>control+f "Krag-Jorgensen"
>0 results found

Smoothest fucking bolt in existence and don't you fucking meme me with those broken Spanish-American War findings

>>32370964
for combat?
lee enfield
for target shooting and hunting
probably a mauser variant.

none of the mausers advantages over the lee enfield are particularly useful in a combat service weaponas in both cases the weapon was generally more accurate than the man firing it, and both weapons standard loads would reliably kill at - and considerably beyond - any range at which a decent shot could be expected to hit a target.

the mausers main advantage is that the action is better at dealing with higher powered rounds which is nice for hunting but not worth that much on a battlefield while the SMLE has a noticeably faster rate of fire and this is a advantage in combat.

neither is noticably more rugged than the other both having proven their reliability in fairly horrific conditions.

Savage Mark II .22LR w/ Accutrigger

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>>32377977
Yes.

>>32372328
>First off, fuck off, 8mm > .303 British
debateable
8mm might have carried a little more energy but the mkVII bullet transferred it to the target better meaning that at any range at which you could expect a hit lethality was broadly similar favouring the SMLE a little.

>overpressure ammunition would cause problems which largely precluded the usage of higher pressure ammo (such as from MG's) in an emergency or when you wanted to reach out and touch a bitch when the Mauser ate that shit like breakfast.

barrel wear was the issue with using MG ammo in lee enfields the actions held up fine

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Gotta be the Remington 700

The M16.
>Straight pullback bolt-action.
>.223 caused horrific wounds.
>20 then 30 round mags.
>Ultra fast reload.
>Fantastic accuracy.
/thread.

>>32377343
>there's still things being tweaked on that gun.
That's only because of it's popularity. Same reason why the most hunting rifles are based on the Mauser 98 action.

And funny you mention the Hi-Power. The only reason they came about was because of FN trying to secure a French Army contract. That's why whole point, development only comes with a reason. Once something is adopted, the development stops. A few tweaks isn't development.

>>32380415
Most hunting rifles are based on the P13 which was not based on any one Mauser design but included features from several.

>>32370964
Winchester Model 70

K31

OR swede 6.5 mauser

>>32371381
I dont see why you're defending your aplication of the AK meme to Mosins

Most boltguns have great reliability due to their simplicity, but to use reliability and durability as interchangable terms is preposterous

Mosins are notorious for sticky bolt issues and rusted out barrels: neither of which are what I would call 'durable'