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"Silencer" triggers my autism but has been used by multiple manufacturers to designate their product so I can't really get too upset

>>32368945
Some of you are alright, don't go to agincourt tomorrow

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>>32368945
>why didn't they put felt pads on the bolt
My sides.

>>32368972
>>32368945
Legally they are a silencer and it is correct.

A silencer, suppresses the sound. And while I say suppressor, only a douche corrects someone when they say silencer.

>tfw you'll never shitpost on /k/ with lindy-senpai

It's just good branding; Like "politically correct" instead of 'inoffensive' or "assault weapon" instead of 'scary looking gun from Rambo 2'.
Makes the poorly informed associate it with something it isn't to manipulate them.

>>32368945
He's right that smug people will "correct" others. They are legally defined as silencers at least in the US and the person who invented them called them silencers and marketed them as Maxim Silencers. You can use silencer and suppressor interchangeably.

>>32369029
The whole bitch about it is that it's technically not silencing anything, but suppressing it, therefore it would be more accurate to call it a suppressor. However, silencer is also correct, so really it comes down to preference.

I do agree with you, though, and I don't personally correct people. Granted, I'm a gunshopfag, so I have to deal with people calling magazines "clips" all day, so I stopped caring a long time ago when a customer uses the wrong term since I use the one I like anyway.

Hiram Maxim patented it as a silencer. He's not wrong to call pedants out on their shit.

what is it make the gun relatively silent like if you are using a subsonic 22 with a fuckhuge barrel

Only nogunz use suppressor or silencer. Anyone who actually owns one calls them cans.

>>32369501
You seem to have mistaken this for jive /k/.

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>>32368945
patented as a silencer, not a suppressor

fuck off

>>32369501

Was in combat with a former marine.
He kept calling them cans.
I kept imagining armored vehicles for some reason and had to keep reminding myself he means silencers.

>>32368945
>Is he right /k/?

People who know little to nothing about guns call them silencers.

People who know a good bit about guns call them suppressors.

People who know a lot about guns don't give a shit.

>>32369102
>Hiram Maxim patented it as a silencer.

Hiram Maxim II anon.

>>32370076
I mean really if you look up the meaning of suppress, they don't really "suppress" fully either. It's about as technically correct as silencer. The brits probably have it closest with moderator.

>>32370120
They're called sonic dampeners in Germany, a bit more accurate than either of those I think.

>>32370259

Sneaky bang hushers

>>32369501
>warfighter dynamically picks a can to operate in the modern tactical enviroment

>>32368945
hory shet this faggot again i thought i accidently clicked /tg/ but i figure this fagio memeing both /k/ and /tg/

>>32370326

Barrel boom blockers

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Maxim (the guy who made them commercially and mechanically viable) patented his suppressor as a silencer.

I don't like using silencer because it gives the wrong connotation in what it actually does, but suppressor is not wrong

>>32370326
Man fuck you I lost it reading that

>>32370388
>suppressor
whoops, silencer*

>>32370355
bangey bangey muff muff

Does he have a fucking PR department or something? People sure seem to love rubbing that attention whore's shit all over the place.

>>32370353
add /his/ to the list
>>>2107171

>>32370421
He probably posts here, on /tg/ and /his/ to get those views m8.

>>32370421
He's fun to listen to. Very enthusiastic and very British.

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>>32368945
although I've got no problems with the term "silencer" even though I personally use suppressor myself. Both can be used and it's a bit annoying that this guy thinks that one is just not used period

>>32370403
shooty shushers

Call them mufflers and be done with it

>>32368972
It was calles a silencer until one company tried to be different and it took off

>>32370421
He has a whole studio working so its very likely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mQptxi1LAw

>>32368986
under (you)'d

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>>32368945

i dont like using these following terms

>silencer
>assault rifle

it sounds more dangerous/evil etc than a suppressor and semi auto rifle

>talking with coworker
>tell them i bought an AR-15
>you bought an assault rifle?!?!?!?!?!
>oh no just a semi automatic rifle
>oh cool anon

Here in Australia we generally call them "suppressors" or "sound moderators".

I've never heard any hasguns person use the term "silencer" in real life.

You know, /k/ complains a lot about this guy. But you're inadvertently HELPING him by posting his videos here...

Because, now, people are going to watch the video, talk about how right/wrong he is, then watch more of his videos, and then have more conversations about him.

If you want him gone and complain about him so much - why are you supporting him?

>>32368945
fuck off lindy

>>32369579
You will never oper8 with your buds in the jungle, shirtless, with buddy haircuts. Why even live.

>>32370934
4chan tends to like him fine, its just his shit about anything post-1000 AD that triggers /k/.

And a lot of his ancient history shit is a bad blend of what he's researched in scholarly texts and is the best information available, and shit he just picked up while larping with his m8s.

He's a cool guy, he just has blind spots and mistakes assumptions with fact.

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I thought their videos were cool until I watched that retarded Bren vs Mg42 video. After watching that level of bias and consequently whining video I can't take anything he says seriously.

>>32370076
Yes, that it is correct. He is still a fag tho.

>>32371080
He's used to a world of "your guess is as good as mine". Everything with firearms is very clearly spelled out and you can't bullshit until you get your way.

>can a gun be silenced? let me read through books for evidence instead of watching any number of youtube videos where people actually measure the decibels of their subsonic suppressed weapons

lindy is such a faggot

>>32371121
I still remember
>A British soldier wrote on a book once that he hid in front of a MG-42 which was firing and didn't hit him. This is an irrefutable proof of how inaccurate the MG-42 is.
>Also if Germany lost and the British won is another proof the Bren is better weapon.
I swear, I still think that deep inside he is trolling, he has to be. Sorry if this has already been discussed, but it's the first time I see a thread about him.

>>32371237
>If you don't agree with me you are a blind fanboy.

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>>32368945
Mostly. Silencer/suppressor/moderator/muffler isn't really an important distinction, like the difference between a clip and a magazine for example.

The part about shooting a gun behind someone in a park without them hearing it, or only hearing the bolt is utter hyperbolous claptrap. The sound of a closing bolt, with no ammo and no gun shot, is about 115 decibels. Which is still tremendously loud. But of course with any autoloader, there is no way to reduce exhaust gas pressure enough to ONLY hear the bolt clicking, so you've got 115 decibels from the bolt plus whatever remaining report exists from the muzzle and ejection port. Which is a a quantifiable number; the decibel rating of a suppressed gun as widely published by various manufacturers. To wit: about 125 decibels for centerfire handguns, about 135 decibels for centerfire rifles and about 115 decibels from .22LR handguns.

tl;dr No suppressed gun ever made is quiet enough to hear only the bolt click, and nearly all suppressed guns are too loud even to hear the bolt at all over the gun shot.

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>>32371011
>It's not entirely clear when Shriver earned the "Mad Dog" moniker, but it's possible that it was in relation to Klaus, a German Shepherd that he'd brought back from Taiwan and which was his closest companion. Once, Klaus yorked on the floor of the Mess after some recon men gave him beer as a gag, and they rubbed his nose in it and threw him outside. When Shriver got wind of this, he went in, drank a beer, set a revolver on the table, and dropped a deuce on the floor. He said, "If you want to rub my nose in this, come on over." No one did.

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>>32371673
>In 1966, Shriver's recon team was surrounded by North Vietnamese Army soldiers in Cambodia. AK-47 fire rained down on them from all around. As a Forward Air Controller watched the enemy close in on the team from overhead, he radioed down to Shriver with perhaps the biggest understatement of the war: "It sounds pretty bad."

>"No. No," Shriver responded. "I've got 'em right where I want 'em, surrounded from the inside!"

>>32371624
subsonic + bolt action + suppressor

striker dropping and impact is the loudest sound you'll hear

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>>32371624
>clip and a magazine for example
fuck
off

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>>32371673
hooo mamma.

every picture ive seen of this guy hes wearing something that looks uncomfortable

>>32371738
What, sweaters?

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>>32371673

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>>32371768

Does lindy come here to get views on his channel? who the fuck cares, he talks for 9 minutes about shit no one cares about using references that are either false or so common in knowledge that no one gives a shit.

Stop giving this guy youtube money.

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>>32371709
No it isn't. Not even close with centerfire. This is a ported 12" barrel .22 bolt action with a 6" monocore baffle stack. It's the quietest gun I've heard by a huge margin, it turns the report of a CCI Minimag into something about as loud as a soda can cracking open. And even with CB caps I can barely hear the firing pin click over the louder report, let alone hear ONLY the firing pin. Saying otherwise shows you've never heard a suppressed shot. A centerfire rifle, even subsonic, is still 120 decibels or more. Please stop spreading this fallacy.

>>32371715
I meant that as an example of a distinction that does matter, I should have said "unlike" instead of "like." Sorry to trigger.

>>32369017
It's so easy.

I remember this video of a guy that attached a
HUGE suppressor to a .22 rifle, it sounded like a stapler.

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>>32368945
>Watching Lindy's videos

>>32370388
MAXIM THE II

>>32371953
>A centerfire rifle, even subsonic, is still 120 decibels or more. Please stop spreading this fallacy.
Are you retarded?

Bren Gun vs. Spandau

An ignorant man calls it a silencer.
A smart man calls it a suppressor.
A wise man calls it a silencer.

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>>32371237
remember, the church hill was probably the best tank of the war. But that's another video for another day

>>32373166
Please show recent evidence to the contrary, not the subjective 1940s DeLisle test done before testing methods and accurate sensing equipment existed.

>>32370812
Assault rifles are not semi-auto. They are select-fire, capable of firing in a semi-automatic, and automatic mode (burst, full auto, etc.)

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>>32369066
>Mfw Lloyd started this thread just to fuck with us

>>32370836
Australians are basically noguns with those laws

>>32368945
>he's calling rifles and muskets guns
yes well I'm not going to take terminology advice super seriously if he doesn't know the difference between gun and firearm.

We should just start calling them "regulators." As in, it regulates the sound of firing the weapon. Just to confuse the grabbers.

>>32371021
>shit he just picked up while larping with his m8s.

I like that bit of him, a lot of ancient history shit he does is obscure stuff that books outright don't mention most of the time, like the note he made on shoes, how they worked on various terrains, how you can slip easily on wood if it has hobnails, etc, etc

>>32368945
>Gun noises
I pull up roll the window down and PEW PEW PEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWISiHcGoNg

>>32370812
>talking with coworker
>tell them you bought a Model 15 Armalite Rifle
>was used in vietnam, but soldiers disliked it because it was very bad at killing
>tell them its bullet easily changes course through heavy foliage
>the military even removed full auto mode from it because it was even worse at killing people
>as a civillian you bought it for sport shooting because it is so bad at killing people
>"anon you are a good person"

>>32375068
>confusing rooty-tooty point-and-shooties with firearms
>2016

>>32368945
I can confirm that the Uzi's used by elite units in the IDF does not generate any noise. Although when the weapon gets wet it generates short waved clicking sounds

>>32375608
IDF here, can confirm.

>>32375236
brits call them sound moderators

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>>32368945
better question, on an open-bolt SMG, where does the bolt contact when firing?

does the bolt smack into the trunnion/barrel while the firing pin is depressing the primer?

or does the entire mass of the bolt smack up against the base of the cartridge?

>>32375746
The bolt would deform the case if there were no face against which to strike. The bolt hits the barrel face, which is pretty loud. You couldn't drop the bolt on an empty chamber behind someone without startling them, let alone fire a whole magazine of live rounds.

>>32375807
So what happens when the lead starts wearing down?

The cartridge will sit farther in and the brass will have to stretch back to meet the bolt face.

Giving the cartridge a little bit of pressure would be a good thing if you don't overdo it and crush it.

>>32376043
leade*

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>>32376043
I don't know what you're saying.

The case is supported by a lip at the front of the chamber, unless the cartridge being fired is rimmed or belted, in which case it's supported by a shelf at the rear of the chamber. This is called headspacing, and it's crucial to safety and accuracy. In no case is the bolt supported by the cartridge case or bullet. The bolt always touches the back of the barrel when in battery, otherwise the case may not be fully supported and could rupture. Firing out of battery is a bad thing.

>>32376245
I'm thinking of open-bolt pistol caliber stuff.

No lugs used for locking it's blowback, so it may very well apply pressure to the rear of the cartridge (without crushing it).

Slight pressure from the bolt-face holding the cartridge in the chamber.

It could be that the bolt contacts the barrel or trunnion instead of applying slight pressure to the rear of the cartridge, but then when the chamber wears down the case will be expanding to mate with the bolt-face.

>>32371080
SPANDAU
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>>32376297
Though since there is such a drastic difference in the speeds of things happening it may be unavoidable that the bolt-face will never really touch the cartridge perfectly before ignition because as the bolt-face is slamming home the firing pin touches off the primer causing a significantly faster series of actions to occur, pushing the case rearward into the bolt-face after pressure drops and the case starts flying backward.

I suppose it might not even matter much.

If the bolt is moving forward at the relatively slow speed the springs provide it, when the firing pin touches off the cartridge there will be so little time for the bolt to move forward farther to contact the rear of the case before the pressure drops and case starts moving rearward to meet it.


But as the chamber starts wearing down the distance between bolt-face and cartridge rear end will stay the same because the only real headspace in this system is how far the firing pin protrudes.

>>32376354
>>32376245
In the event that a cartridge doesn't fire though, it would be good that the shelf the bolt will mate with is not crushing the cartridge.

>>32369093
Well that in the politically charged gun world, we have to extremely careful about every word is used, because liberals will use the scariest words to keep things banned.

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>>32376297
IIRC most open bolt subguns rely on the inertia of the bolt, (which has to be rather heavy), and whatever spring is pushing the thing forward to keep the cartridge in the chamber until the combustion gasses have exited the barrel. Although the bolt and casing would be still be moving as soon as the round is ignited, it just wouldn't be fast enough to allow the case to be ruptured by pressure, as it is still mostly supported by the chamber.

With something like a Sten, which uses a fixed firing pin, I assume the force of the bolt pushing the round forward is simply not enough to set off the primer out of battery, but as soon as the cartridge headspaces, it gets crushed by the firing pin as it has nowhere else to go.

Pic related, is a chart of what weights would be required to prevent case ruptures (although this would vary with barrel length to some degree).

>>32376245
>>32376354
You should probably do more reading on what headspace is.

>>32368945
3:00 Trigger discipline

>>32376435
change how far the firing pin protrudes on an open bolt gun and tell me what headspace is on an open-bolt SMG

>>32376533
Firing pin protrusion has exactly zero to do with headspace on ANY design of gun.

>>32376547
jit does when the decision of when to detonate the cartridge is made by how far out the firing is sticking when the cartridge is being chambered.

>>32371953
Finally a fellow silencerfag who gets this.

The quietest centerfire ever recorded with reliable modern equipment was 107dB, and it was a purpose-built 30-06 rifle that fired captive piston ammunition.

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>>32371080
Gel-Mann Amnesia.

When he talks about something you know about, you realize how little he actually knows. It's only when he talks about something you know nothing about that he sounds smart. Coincidence? Probably not...

>>32371624
>difference between a clip and a magazine isn't important
Seeing as clips and magazines both exist and are two distinct concepts, you are wrong.

>tl;dr No suppressed gun ever made is quiet enough to hear only the bolt click
Also wrong.

>>32376884
Read the rest of the thread before posting.

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>>32368945
>A lot of people will say it's a Q-tip, but people who know a lot more about first aid and are a bit more smug and superior might say that's a cotton swab

>>32380778
>this whole thread

>>32380565
>that file name
kek