Special Forces mental screening

No aspies allowed, my condolences OP.

they screen for people who shitpost on 4chan. sorry anon

What kind of porn is a nogo?

I like the foot stuff. Can I like foot stuff and still be SOF? Or should I swap fetishes?

I can switch from feet to armpits in a little over a week, but I need to know beforehand.

They just have a picture of you.

If the recruit doesn't look like that, they get passed.

>>32363441
They look for real villains.

>>32363441
you would be surprised who gets through those screenings. there was a guy in Delta that became a serial rapist while still in Delta, and they get regular screenings. if they think you are depressed they will kick you back. had a guy in my company get flagged for depression when they were doing a sniper school screening. needless to say, he didn't get the school slot.

>>32364749
NOW LOOK AT THIS TERRORIST THAT I JUST FOUND.

http://www.tacticalshit.com/natural-killers-turning-tide-battle/

>>32363441
They don't "favor" any kind of normal psychological traits. If you have any kind of psychological or personality disorder, they'll stop you from enlisting int he military wholesale.

>>32364788
>Delta serial rapist
yea nah source fgt

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>>32364788
>rapist
You mean rapist?
Or """"rapist""""", AKA a woman was offended.

90% of the males ITT were conceived in a manner that would be considered rape post-2015.

>>32366847
top kek

>>32366847
well, thats wrong

>>32363441
They need not be retarded. also be able to kill people simply cause they are told.

They are looking for a 50/50 mix between "nicest guy that you'll ever meet" and "twisted fucking psychopath".

>>32363441

if you're worried now, you'll never make it

you have already failed

don't even try

give up

>>32366868
two seconds in google
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-08-03/news/9008030678_1_delta-force-green-beret-captured

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They tell you a base level corny joke.

If you laugh, you fail.
If you don't laugh, you fail.
If you counter with a superior corny joke, you have demonstrated the necessary requirements.

>>32367314

when i see things like this it makes me wonder sometimes if it isn't being used as a sheep-dipping ploy

>>32363441
>What psychological traits do special forces screening generally approve of

Stubborn people who won't quit.

>>32363451

You probably have to be a bit aspie (or at least socially awkward) to be SF. SF aren't looking for ultra-socialable guys, they're looking for quiet guys who don't mind long periods of loneliness (i.e. staying sniper's post for days on end) and can pay great attention to detail.

t. Grandfather was probably an Aspie and was a DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) Agent during Vietnam. He went out into the field to evaluate the effectiveness of the new AWACS system.

>>32367188
I see what you did there

>>32366847
wrong, do you not think commanders would love to have a bunch of sociopaths running around?
Yeah I know what you're thinking "durr all sociopaths are vicious murderes that will just shoot you for fun lol they wouldn't be good operators". You've seen too much dexter or watched too many movies, it's widely known that antisocial tendencies are overrepresented in SOF, due to their tenacity and being "natural killers"

If any of you actually believe they have a real solid system in place to determine your psychological traits with actual reliability, you're pretty dumb.

>>32367571
so they are going to have them get arrested in a high profile manner just to make them disappear? no.

>>32363441
here you go op, this may help

https://youtu.be/CdkmIpDQ3i0

For whatever reason, the UK MoD spent a load of money on trying to build a psychological profile of SAS troopers in the early 70s. The idea was that if you could identify these traits early in a career, then there'd be no need to have a selection process at all as you could simply pick the ones that fit the profile best.

It became something of a running joke, with men giving inane answers or just flat out lying. Eventually a grown up decided that they were to complete the tests properly, just to get it out of the way.

There was nothing outlying, other than a slightly higher than average intelligence. You had introverts, extroverts, eccentrics, grey men, planners, plotters, schemers, liars and so on in exactly the same capacity as the control groups (which were taken from across the Army, but at a ratio reflective of the SAS troopers original units).

All in all it was a large waste of time and money. Thankfully it was shelved after that. I imagine the Americans have made attempts but it's a pointless exercise.

>>32368165
I don't know why people think that someone in SOF would be extremely weird people. They probably look similar to the normal population.

And we've seen that those in SOF definitely have extroverts, look at all the books and other shit ex-sof guys like to do for money/fame.

Also, if real medical institutions can't really reliably determine personality traits of individuals do you really think the military can?

>>32366806
Ty anon

>>32366847
is being a cuck considered a personality disorder or a positive trait?

because it seems to me that only cucks would volunteer to fight and die for a country that is being given away to illegal 3rd world refugees and migrants

>>32366884

This was back in 1991 when rape was still a legit charge and involved more than violating a safe space.

>>32368597

Or maybe, you know, you could stop putting them on a pedestal and treat them as they are: a group of men who meet a certain standard set forth by ailitary unit.

A group of Green Berets or a team of Navy SEALS meeting a US Army or Marine rifle platoon in a firefight would be roughly a 50/50 split. They are trained for highly specialized missions and thats about the end of the myth.

>>32369263
How am I putting them on a pedestal? I literally just said they would look like a normal distribution of the population.

If anyone puts them on a pedestal it's the average /k/ user, as evidenced by this thread and half the posts in it.

>>32367188
so like normal person?

>What psychological traits do special forces screening generally approve of, and what traits do they generally disfavor?

What they do favor?

Probably things like showing Initiative, having self confidence, pro-activeness, being able to function under stress, etc.

Generally traits that allow people operate in stressful and dangerous environments without losing focus or being overwhelmed.

What do they disfavor?

Certainly impulsiveness and anything related to lack of self control.

How do you find those traits? Certainly through service and going through the training. For most special forces you already must be serving, having a military career and being well connected.

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>>32367595
This is false.

If you are going into a trigger-pulling, door-kicking outfit, they are looking for gung-ho, Type A personality guys.

If you are going into Army SF, and half your job is training local nationals, they're looking for people who can communicate.

Have fun at the Technology Support Division, Isaac. And that's assuming you're smart

>>32364669

The fact that you thought this was funny enough to actually post means you would quickly be labeled "that guy" in SFAS and get peered out quick.

>>32370142
OP here, that wasn't me, and I thought the same.

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>>32364669
>I like the foot stuff
Fucking kys.

>>32367573
This.

SF are usually 'captain of the football' team types.

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>>32370800
Very true.

>>32363441
I don't need a psychological exam. I was a Marine, and I'm old enough to fuck your bitch.

Get in the fucking Van.

>>32370800
>this is what meatheads actually believe

special forces are a scalpel, not a machete

>>32363441
They don't want quitters.

>>32367188

Fucking underated post. Anyone have the dank meme so the newbies can have a laugh with us?

Are high tier SF guys that different from the average soldier?
If you take away their funding and cool gear, how does a Delta guy compare with a normal infantryman?

>>32366793
new meme best meme

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>>32367188

>>32372726
My basic instructor was ex sf. He was like all other soldiers but liked trial biking and sports. He also was as lazy as possible on the job. ( dig a hole? Fuck that i got some explosives )

If i were to narrow it to one thing... he was more focused on objectives... the result justified the means.

>>32372926
What does it take to make it through SF training, regardless of the country?
I often hear vague shit like "never quit" or whatever but more specifically?

Telepathy is a huge bonus. Your card is a 2 of Hearts.

>>32372726
They can train anyone to clear rooms, shoot good, run fast. Not everyone has the "I will die before I quit" attitude, mixed with the "there is no spoon" way of thinking.

Average age for CAG and DEVGRU is mid 30s.

>>32374413
>"there is no spoon" way of thinking.
What are you talking about?

>>32374418
Don't think you can. Know you can.

>>32367188
What if you come from a world of pure imagination and have forgotten your own name?

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>>32374418
>Lel only 90s kids will remember.....
Its along the same lines as "Thinking outside the box means you're still using the box as a reference, the box doesn't exist"

>>32374352
Yeah people always throw the "never quit" in there because its a critical piece but really that only applies to selection, for the actual training portions you need to be able to learn and adapt to new situations quickly, get along with others, and really mesh well with strangers in strange situations. Its more classroom intensive than you would think, again, they can train anyone to shoot good.

>>32374453
How do I learn to "never quit"
I don't even want to go SF necessarily, but I'm training for basic right now and I always find myself stopping before I've reached my actual limit, especially when running. How do I learn to not be a lazy fuck and push myself to my limits and beyond?

>>32374557
How far are you running?

They let trannies in so it can't be that hard.

>>32374565
Right now I'm shit tier, I do more or less one mile in twenty minutes (at my best, otherwise I don't even break one mile)
I've only started recently but I really want to make it. I've got three months before tests.

All of you autistic faggots seem to believe SF is one kind of job with one kind of profile

I dont know what they're looking for or what one would be looking for at all, but why would you?

>>32374557
Pretend you will die a virgin unless you reach some unreasonably insane line in the sand

Bear in mind you don't have to actually be a virgin to think this way

>>32374615
>one mile in twenty minutes
Thats 4,8 km/h. Average human WALKS at 5 km/h

>>32374557

I do it with passion

I'm a lazy fuck when I have no purpose, but when I train with my budies I push myself to the max because I consider it my duty to perform and I like it a lot as well.

I feel alive knowing I do good

>>32374615
Get to 1.5 miles in under 15 minutes if you want to set a goal for yourself

>>32374720
Yeah I didn't convert properly. I do 3km in around 20min, so that would be 1.8 miles, not 1.
>>32374729
When your whole body urges you to stop running, how do you bring yourself to continue?
>>32374734
My original goal was 1.5 in 10 minutes. I don't know if that's achievable in three months considering my current level

>>32374758
>When your whole body urges you to stop running, how do you bring yourself to continue?
Willpower. Being a soldier and having bullets whiz by is a good motivation too.

>>32374758

When my whole body urges me to stop?

It never urges me to do anything. It is the brain that tells you things.

Whenever I'm beat I stop thinking about myself and keep going for my buddies.

If I'm really beat I'm going to fall dead or unconscious, nothing I can do about it. So why worry?

I'm not saying you should kill yourself daily, but push your limits and stop thinking about yourself, just focus on what you have to do and your responsability to perform towards your buddies

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>>32363451
>implying

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So much goddamn hollywood bullshit it's unbelievable

SF are just normal grunts who do a special kind of mission
Like artymen, or tankers, each has their own mission

For example, like 90% of SF missions are recon, contrary to what CODniggers say, they don't kill 25946 people per mission,they're not your hollywood-tier super ice cold killing mofos

so compared to your average grunt, they're only a little above average.

TL:DR :: SF are just guys that are a little above average and not some kind super spoopy elite little club

and Like other anon said ITT
And there's no such thing as "positive traits" or whatever you're talking about
If something disqualifies you from going SF, then it disqualifies from going to the military wholesale (exception of fitness test)

>>32374615
Shit I used to run 5.4 in around 37 minutes and I would do 50 pushups at the half way point. I definitely do not have asthma too. I guess just keep it up and go farther each time. Keep going farther and after a while the suck just kind of plateaus and it doesn't really get worse until you get a knee injury or two.

>>32374972
The super spoopy elite club is SOG right

>>32363441

Army SF? They're looking for terrorist types and in-shape autists.

>>32374758
>>32374615

That's totally achievable, but its going to take some work. The basic program I used to get from 2 miles in 16 minutes and 5 miles in 48 minutes, down to 2 miles in 13 minutes and 5 miles in 36 minutes was:

Day 1: 1/4-1/2 mile warm up
Stretch calves, hamstrings, quads, hip flexors
2-3 mile run for time, focus on finishing and keeping your heart rate high, but not "Oh god I'm going to die" levels
same stretches to finish

Day 2: 1/4 mile of lunges to warm up
Same stretches as above
6 Quarter mile sprints, each sprint as fast as possible, timing each one to keep yourself honest, then 2 minutes of rest before doing another sprint
The third and fourth sprint should be your fastest, and you should absolutely dread the last one or two
Same stretches

Day 3: 1/4-1/2 mile warm up
Stretch calves, hamstrings, quads, hip flexors
3-4 mile run, slow as possible without stopping, like super slow, to break up the lactic acid in your legs and get your body used to having an elevated but not maxxed out heartrate, this is also where you should focus waaay more on breathing and pacing, x steps per inhale and y steps per exhale, focusing on maintaining the same numbers through out, if your losing a step on the inhale or the exhale the farther you get just slow down and get it under control again. Also focus on your hands and holding your thumb against the nail of your middle finger. It distracts you from your legs and helps build the "zoned out" mindset that makes running easier
then same stretches

Day 4: Rest and stretch

After repeating this 2x you increase the distances by either a 1/4, 1/2, mile and the number of sprints by 1 or 2 depending on how shitty you're doing.

Diet and tobacco use will affect daily performance, its a great way to learn about your body and how it functions/feels on different fuel/sleep

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>>32375018
what kind of SOG?

MACV SOG?
swedish SOG?
French SOG?
british SOG?

every special forces group qualifies as a SOG that means delta, Seals, etc etc qualify as SOG

or are you talking about CIA special activities division?
no, even CIA spooks aren't spoopy (well, not that much anyway) since their only mission is to train rebels/terrorists and bring them equipment. (like the CIA trained the muj in the russo-afghan war)

>>32375036
Wow thanks a lot man. That's really helpful.
How does diet affect performance? As long as I don't eat junk food every other day I should be fine right?

>>32375063
Talking about CIA and their foreign equivalents (MI5, DGSE, etc)
>their only mission is to train rebels/terrorists
Is that all, really?

>>32366884
>>32368903
TIMES DUN CHANGED BILLY RAPE IS JUST THE SOCIALJEWS BITCHING ABOUT THEIR SAFE SPACE SO RAPE ISN'T A THING ANY MORE AHHAA ISN'T IT GREAT TO BE BORN A GUY

>>32375092
sorry to burst your bubble, yes

they pretty much only investigate shit (if they're case officers) or call some airstrikes, or recon an area, or train irregulars.

so pretty much the only thing that does COD-tier black op shit is JSOC

>>32375121
>JSOC
You mean SMUs? These are still SOF

>>32375137
JSOC pick people from rangers, delta, seals and other US ops to operate without accountability

>>32375076
>As long as I don't eat junk food every other day I should be fine right?

Kind of unorganized but some more tips n shit.

Basically, need to focus on food as fuel. Get your carbs from fruit and veggies instead of bread and pastas, carbs in the morning and protein later in the day. Running that much you can get away with not being super picky or strict, I would cut out bread/pasta and dairy. Then, if you aren't already, get a good multivitamin, glucosamine chondroitin, and fish oil to protect your joints.

Buy or wear some decently padded sole running shoes, none of that minimus or vibram five finger bullshit as that can lead to stress fractures with the amount of distance you're doing, if you go to a running specific store they'll know and be able to show you, some even have machines or will observe you running a little bit and can tell you how to fix your stride and point of impact on your foot.

Hills are your friend, but if you're running on a track don't always run the same direction, the turns over distances like that put a lot of stress on your ankles, so make sure to alternate directions.

If you don't have access to a place to specifically run, you can apply the program to a stationary bike or a rowing machine. Just understand you aren't working the exact same muscle groups, you get the cardio benefit and gains while its lower impact on your knees and ankles, but again its not working all of the same muscle groups.

>>32374352
>>32374557
Any good SF selection/training involves breaking the individual down so that their basic personality is exposed. When they say "never quit" what they mean is that the training will intentionally push you beyond a exceptional person's tolerance for physical and mental punishment and then the trainers or selectors will expect you to get the objective done as best you can without stopping, getting upset, panicking, being mentally defeated etc.

If you don't intrinsically already have the level of determination and correct personality traits required of these sorts of programs, you will never succeed and you can't learn what they want to see.

>>32374758

Just quit being a pussy. What do you think happens if you run faster, longer and harder? Do you think you'll die?

You'll live. Better than ever.

They're looking for ENTJs,end of story.

>>32364669
Is BDSM SOF approved?

>>32375063
>>32374972
what does "spooky" even mean
what do these people do that normal SOF units cannot?

>>32375213

>cutting out dairy

You're a fucking idiot.

>>32375213
Alright. Thanks again for the tips m8

>>32375278
Covert ops

>>32375278
also spooky comes from spook which means spy, so anything spy-related is "spooky"

>>32375314
>Covert ops
all sof do this

>>32375213
>Basically, need to focus on food as fuel. Get your carbs from fruit and veggies instead of bread and pastas, carbs in the morning and protein later in the day. Running that much you can get away with not being super picky or strict, I would cut out bread/pasta and dairy. Then, if you aren't already, get a good multivitamin, glucosamine chondroitin, and fish oil to protect your joints.

No offense or anything, virtually all of that information is wrong. If anything, that sort of nutrition is distinctly sub-optimal for distance running.
Cutting out bread/pasta/dairy and getting carbs from fruit and veg is a fad diet for bodybuilding and crossfit.
Endurance sports require large amounts of complex carbohydrate that cannot be provided by fruit and vegetables without a ridiculous intake. Whole grain bread, cereals, pasta etc. are all highly advised for distance running.

>>32364749
WE ARE NUMBER 1

>>32375327
let me correct myself then

doing james bond tier shit in civilian clothes

>>32374972
Most SF are basically just specialty grunts. However units like SEAL's are actually kinda spoopy. Especially if they go the extra mile and get all those additional special operations qualifications.

>>32372726
SF guys do have the same mindset as shock troops.

Except they got a brain too.

>>32374557
Chain smoke cigarettes, drink lots of booze. When you show up late to work, lose your job, resulting in your family telling you to clean up your act, tell them you refuse because you're not a quitter.

>only then will you have reached dgaf nirvana and be ready for sf

>>32374557

I guess I can give some tips. I have spent some time in armed forces and I'm currently training for SF. I run ~12 min 2 mile and score around 300 on the yankee PFT board.

1) If you don't feel like doing a workout then do it halfway and decide then if you want to quit. At least in my case this always works.

2) Kinda related but concider what you have already done. It's easier to carry on this way.

3) Training sucks, there is no way around it. Just focus on your goals. People say it's about the journey but me personally I think that's bullshit. Sure you can enjoy the ride but the goal is why you started in the first place.

4) Learn to laugh at yourself. You can get pretty miserable during training but I have learned to kinda disconnect from my body. I just kind of admit that I'm hurting but I ain't going to die because of it. (just remember to train smart, no need to become crippled when training)

Might sound a bit edgelord but I have found these tricks pretty helpful.

>>32375116
Billie Jean never touched my dick
She's just a girl that thinks that I have money to blow on child support

Pls fuck off vaginanigger

>>32374557
Ever do any martial arts? This is a long term thing, but if you get to the point of sparring with striking disciplines or rolling with grappling ones, you put yourself in a fight or flight type of midset. In that mindset you're able to push yourself to your physical limits and the memories of those kind of events are what can give you a mental edge to push that far.

>>32375278
Spooky in actual army terms I think we can all agree means operating outside of the established regulations.
>authorized beard?
Spook
>authorized hp ammunition?
Spooky
>driving a civvy minivan with a 240 rigged with 550 cord in the back?
Spooky
>sfc telling majors and colonels to fuck off with zero retribution?
Spooky

Of course this is completely devoid of their mission type, which normally exceeds what regular army does.
>kle in gear?
Normal
>kle in civvies with a concealed gun and a suitcase of 500k?
Spooky

>>32370894
lmao shut up fag, I bet you were the kid in highschool who wouldn't even start JV football.

>>32369263
looks like someone is putting the marines on a pedestal

>>32375461

Not him, but I never played football.

I used to ride bulls, though. I feel like that's more than enough contact.

>>32374972
did you try out and fail and now you gotta make up some excuse for it "not that extraordinary"? is that it? I just dont understand how you can be this thickheaded, a little above average jesus christ.

>>32366806
>The study subjects were all infantrymen and the mean group IQ was only 85,

really gets the neurons firing

>>32375892

jesus

>>32375892
>mean group IQ was only 85
Like dindus

>>32375892
Those soldiers dindu nuffin wrong.

>>32364788
So basically, just pretend to be a narcissist and always act immature while only pretending to pretend to be calm when you're just naturally calm and afraid that will mistaken for depression? Check.

>>32376397

We speak English, here.

>>32376511
Just realized my typo, sorry.

So basically, just pretend to be a narcissist and always act immature while only pretending to pretend to be calm when you're just naturally calm and afraid that will [be] mistaken for depression?

>>32376567

I know what you meant, dickshitter, I's just hacking on ye.

However comma spacebar, the reality is that a lion's share of military members do have some sort of mental malfunction.

A huge portion of people in every unit I've been in were depressives, manic-depressives, sawed-off syndrome sufferers, had immense daddy issues, self-image crazers, you name it. Had an autistic guy that was legitimately a political god, though. Predicted a Trump presidency long before the Republican primary. Would always predict foreign and domestic tragedies.

At any rate, a lot of this is inevitable, a huge portion of the armed forces are high-school runts who never fit in and will never be happy again afterwards.

>>32376621
I am not really surprised. Honestly, someone who isn't depressed in the military would be something to worry about, I'm sure.

>>32376658

Pretty much. Because let's face it, all of the OCS candidates and boots and moto-tards will tell you that it's a lifelong dream, a service call to their nation, payback for whatever, etc...

But really, we all just woke up one day next to a sub-par whore of a woman, stared at the ceiling, and realized we were just about out of options for moving forward. We're the children that weren't ready for the big world yet. So we just said "fuck it"

>>32376621
>>32376658
Why would the military attract (or create) people with depression?

>>32375150
>without accountability
nigga back when CAG was hitting multiple houses a night in Iraq, if you took a prisoner and accidentally nicked him with your knife cutting the flex cuffs off, that meant paperwork.

there is accountability everywhere (unless you're DEVGRU, in which case you break all the rules and get away with it because "muh geronimo EKIA")

>>32375349
except many SOF units do training in civilian clothes

Depending on the scenario SF guys are in civvies, shooting pistols from concealment, even in Robin Sage.

>>32376977

>attract

The idea of joining a brotherhood of like-minded people attracts a lot of them. Then there's the "I'll show them! He protects and servers your freedom" crowd.

>create

Imagine being stuck in syrup with people who, while you may love, you don't always like and there's always a place to be to do nothing. Mindless repetition of action after action, hours spent sitting on the cold cement and you're thinking about places and things and ways that will not be again and you're spending entire nights pulling batallion CQ and your leadership is ass. And from this, you're expected to produce excellent results every time, pointless attempts at goals that do not matter for the sake of doing it.

So basically, it's just life like any other thing.

>>32369263
>confirmed for knowing nothing about SOF

you realize an SF Group has 21 ODAs, meaning over a thousand team guys, right? That's not counting HQ and support personnel, just shooters.

and a SEAL Team has 8 platoons of 16 shooters each.

if you want to make nonsense comparisons at least figure out what the organizational structure is first

>>32370142
Always retards like this in these threads. Sorry granny, men sometimes make crude jokes.

>>32377062
*correction 84 ODAs

How come the ISA is never mentioned when people talk about spooky operators in these threads, even though gray fox is part of JSOC just like devgru and CAG?

>>32377299
because they're responsible for intelligence collection and analysis, not shooting people in the head

ISA operators only conduct assassinations in thriller novels and movies

>>32377352
Yeah but they still take part in high speed shit even if they don't shoot people. HUMINT/SIGINT isn't just pushing papers.

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>>32372726
They're like regular infantrymen but aren't retarded

Studies have shown the only difference really is intelligence, and being more intelligent than a regular grunt is really no mean feat

>>32377465
>studies have shown
cite pls

>>32375533
You'd do nice in Sweden mr prepper

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>>32374972
oh dear did we fail BUDS?

awwwwwwww try again next time champ

nobody that posts on 4chan is SOF material.

go back to your cod game kids

>>32377352
>ISA operators only conduct assassinations in thriller novels and movies
Then why does joining ISA require sniper training? And what about TF Orange?

>>32377527

I'm... not a prepper.

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>>32367188

>euphoric

>>32375063
>since their only mission is to train rebels/terrorists and bring them equipment

CIA, Central Intelligence Agency

the key to what they do is in the middle word

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You have to be ready to oper8 not much else to say.

>>32364788
It's not hard to hide depression.

>>32367188

that's bullshit, but i believe it

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Should I go ranger or seal?

>>32381443

seal

>>32381443
Architecture school.

>>32375343
Fuck I'm crying

>>32368835
This. No white person should want to be anything but a reservist.

>>32363441
Speaking from experience: Smart but not too smart, tenacious, patriotic, calm under stress. Thats about it. The guys in SF run the gambit as traits like introvert/extrovert, loud/quiet etc... go

>>32376977
It's for people without a sense of belonging, alternatively, psychotics who enjoy it, and then there are the people who couldn't get a job anywhere else and would rather do something else with their lives.

Of course, I am sure most of these people are really good at hiding their emotions because otherwise they'd be kicked out.

>>32382290
Pussy.

>>32376977

You risk your life but get to do "cool" stuff in exchange.

You're seen as a badass in the popular mindset so you'll get society's aproval.

Also what you do in the military can wear you down with time, and most soldiers end up alcoholics to cope

>>32377691

It's actually mostly memes and propaganda.

NSA collects info better

>>32374758

You dont need to cripple yourself by making an extra effort.

The true fortitude required to train is not the effort in the exercise but the stubbornness to keep training over and over again.

If you can manage to train constantly you can push a little bit extra each time and the improvements will come alone

>>32383485
>NSA collects info better
They don't collect info using the same methods.

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should I go MARSOC, seals, rangers?

bumping a good thread

>>32384507
MBTI doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you're cut out for the military

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>>32366884
>>32366868
>Daily reminder that this freak used to fly the Prime Minister and other important government officials and military officers around.

>>32384712
but it does explain why he's on /k/ somewhat.

>>32375278
Someone post the security cam .webm of Delta black-bagging some dude.

>>32384816
Last time I checked I was INTP and I'm on /k/
MBTI doesn't really mean anything

>>32384801
what the fuck

>>32384801

i dont care if some guy wears dresses and jacks off as long as hes not raping people or whatever

>>32382290
>2016 + 354 days
>not knowing combat arms is overwhelmingly white
>not knowing that minorities that end up in combat arms either get kicked out for hood shit, or act whiter than the white guys.

The infantry is a refuge of american culture.

>>32383485
Humint =/= sigint

My cunt has this system that allows anyone to enlist directly into its paramilitary SAD/clandestine ops unit. The training program alone lasts 2 or 3 years and has a 95% attrition rate.

Would it be wiser to take a year off and get in the best shape possible, then try it out, or just ask my recruiter about it right now?

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Do they not like people from happy, stable backgrounds and with generally calm, friendly dispositions?

I mentioned it to my recruiter that I'd be interested in option 40 if not something even more strenuous, but he brushed it aside with 'you'll have to decide if you have the mindset for it'. I have a bachelors degree and am as /fit/ as anyone, so I figured he was talking about my personality.

>>32386574
Of course they do. As long as you meet the requirements they're after and pass whatever they throw at you, that's that.

There's really no secret to it. The downside of the internet is that people over think and over research everything. Join the Infantry if that's your bag, get a few years in and keep at it.

>>32384801
found the crossdresser too ashamed to come out. You know that SNCOs in most militaries have to wear lace panties right? USMC may switch to shimapan soon

>>32367595
Your grandfather was an entire agency? Damn, he must have been a badass

>>32375450
>minivan with a 240
pics pls

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>>32363441
Fashion sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1gj93uCC4k

>>32386456
Isn't SIGINT going to progressively grow in importance while HUMINT becomes less relevant?
Intel agencies are starting to recruit more personnel from highly technical backgrounds.

>>32366806
>http://www.tacticalshit.com/natural-killers-turning-tide-battle/

That Marshall study was hardly scientific and as few people fired as claimed, many a battle would have been lost. People LOVE Marshall because his books and don't apply critical thinking. If killing was hard, it wouldn't be so historically popular.

http://www.warchronicle.com/us/combat_historians_wwii/marshallfire.htm

>>32368835
>because it seems to me that only cucks would volunteer to fight and die for a country that is being given away to illegal 3rd world refugees and migrants

You think like a child. Humans LIKE war. We evolved to wage it. It's the most natural thing in the world which is why laws exist to restrain violent behavior.

It doesn't MATTER what the war is for. Who the fuck cares? It will look the same either way. Men love the power and the brotherhood of war.

>"Those who are clever and industrious I appoint to the General Staff. Use can under certain circumstances be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy qualifies for the highest leadership posts. He has the requisite nerves and the mental clarity for difficult decisions. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous.”

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/28/clever-lazy/

>>32389550

what if i'm lazy but i just think im clever

>>32391318
I think that slots you under 'certain circumstances.'

>>32363441
I work for SF recruitment

One preliminary is that you are excluded from consideration if you have ever trafficked on 4chan as it is a clear sign of unstableness and faggotry.

You need to be more like Trombley

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>>32370943
Can't find, use your imagination.

>>32377583
Okay

>>32389490
I think you mean faggots anon. Only faggots talk about muh brotherhood.

>>32391434
MORE LIKE TROMBLEY!?!?!!?!?!

>>32374557
You can't "learn" never quit, some people just hate failure more than they hate the idea of dying.

I've noticed that people who can respond to pain and exhaustion with humor are the ones who are also the ones who have "never quit" in their mentality.

If you repeat "I wish this could suck more!" every time you feel pain and exhaustion you'll know whether you're the right fit by if you start believing it.

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>>32392080
>pic related
Of course you can learn to never quit. It might be hard at first but it generally comes over time.
However, in civil life its super hard to not quit. Since there is no oppertunitys in civil life in which are difficult enough to the level when you actually feel like quitting.

I agree with you on the rest however.

>>32392172
>Since there is no oppertunitys in civil life in which are difficult enough to the level when you actually feel like quitting.
You have to create them by playing mind games with yourself

>>32363441
Be:
>Calm
>Loyal
Don't be:
>Impulsive
>Stubborn
>Think too much by yourself
Basically they want smart people, who they can trust. There's a problem in the SF world that soldiers start to take matters into their own hands, if they feel that their higher-ups or politicians have made wrong decisions.

>>32395399
this

>>32384801
He wasn't SF though, he just was the base commander where JTF2 is based.

Don't be /k/

>>32367595
You're partially wrong. They want someone who can balance long periods with loneliness, and have social skills for team work and being embedded and so on.

Since you're talking about an intelligence agency, intelligence units specially value social skills.

In my country an elite intelligence unit had a pretty interesting test for people during selection
>drop them off at the train station in Oslo with nothing
>only tell them "I'll see you in Trondheim in 8 hours"
>walk away

since the person has no money for a ticket, the purpose of the test was to show that they could hitch a ride with a stranger.
if you're too assburger to charm your way into someones vehicle you fail the test

>>32374972
>SF are just normal grunts who do a special kind of mission
>Like artymen, or tankers, each has their own mission
Not really. A tanker for example is truly specialised for one role. But SF must be much more versatile and handle different tasks.

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>>32395399
>The Epitome of Stupid: The Post
Pray tell, what SOF unit have you ever been part of?

>>32368165
Also, this. The US military spent stupid sums of money, resources, and time attempting to develop some sort of metric to determine who fits in SOF; the only conclusive evidence they ended up with was that there is no way to accurately gauge who will make it, and who won't.

>>32370909
About the only accurate statement in this thread.

>>32375150
You're retarded, and wrong. Probably because you don't know shit - who am I kidding, you don't know shit.

>>32375363
>Look at me, I'm a fucktard mouthbreather!

>>32377352
>"Hi, I've never been on any numbered task force ever!"

>>32381443
>>32384507
If you're asking on 4chan, don't even fucking waste your time.

Please, get as butthurt as you want, I just got home and I'd love to argue with some fucking retard who thinks they know jack shit. Come fuckin at me bro.

>>32399827

>Determine who fits SOF

They found the code.

Between the ages of 23 and 25.
College educated.
Competed in swimming, water polo, or wrestling.

Notice how this seems to fall in line with the officers who go SOF who have a lower dropout rate than the enlisted side.

>>32374972
wtf, SF teams organize and train local resistance forces. They provide medical training and vaccinations and work on 'hearts and minds' all along the way.

>>32400206
>Between the ages of 23 and 25
Literally means nothing

>College educated
Number of enlisted entering SOF selection with a degree under their belt is less than 40%. A fairly high number of people in SOF complete correspondence programs while AD.

>Competed in swimming, water polo, or wrestling.
I wrestled HS and collegiate, all this shows (and the other sports listed) is endurance; something that any average infantryman from a non-shit unit will have, or a non-fatbody civilian who actually trained worth a damn before starting the process.

I'm pretty sure what you're referencing is a USSOCOM presentation to Congress, and it literally has no bearing to who passes selection and who doesn't. I know this because I've served as cadre during selection, and we're presented with a lot more numbers than that.

I'm telling you straight up that no metric exists for determining who passes selection, and who doesn't. This applies from vanilla SOF to all the way up to SMU level selection.

I'll be brutally honest about this, officers are weeded out very fast if unit leadership thinks they suck during their initial oral board. Even the ones who are deemed worthy, are given much more attention during selection processes.

>>32375076
try this. it worked for me before we had to do our 12 mile.
The night before eat a shitload of pasta and drink 3 heavy(dark stout) beers, but don't get drunk(or you'll puke on those speedhikes).
I consistently did 12 milers in under 2 hours(barely)

>>32376977
the military is the last option for a lot of people. they don;t have any other choice.

>>32400346
What group were you a cadre member for? AFSOC here.

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>>32400397
75th, where are you in AFSOC?

>>32400471
Hurlburt Field, don't want to say much more than that.

Good shit though, I was at the 58th SOW for awhile and we had a lot of Rangers working as contractors. Good dudes.

>>32376977
Create?
>NEVER AGAIN be doorman on a c141 about to do a mass attack over any DZ with a couple thousand of your jacked up buddies.

> NEVER AGAIN will you fly NOE in a blackhawk at night through the Fulda Gap

>NEVER AGAIN get to mow down hadjis after you just drove your Bradley through a wall.

Now you just get to listen to purple haired faggots prattle on about their 'injustices' in your cubiclefarm of slow death.

>>32400471
hey ricky you ever see any serious training accidents?

how common are they?