S&W M&P M2.0

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>>32361995

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>>32362000
Old M&P for comparison

>>32361995
So they've basically stippled the grip, added a couple new serrations on the slide and possibly fixed the trigger.

For the record, post shield m&ps actually have good triggers, especially compared to the original run of m&ps

Hmm, interesting that they have cut the beavertail off.

>>32362000
Wonder what the extra little bit on the slide lock is? With an apex flatly my m&p shoots better than any glock I have handled factory or aftermarket.

I fingerfucked an M&P Pro the other day and the trigger honestly felt great.

What exactly is wrong with them?
I'm thinking I might pick one up as my first handgun.

The slide lock looks way different. Does it work more like a slide release?

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>>32361995
>the way the trigger feels is the most important feature in a striker gun

strikerbabbies, everyone.

>>32362146
>My first handgun

So you're saying you haven't shot anything else for more than 50 rounds.

That's why.

>>32362146
>What exactly is wrong with them?

Nothing.

If you like it and can buy it, do it.

Or buy a glock, or a 1911, or a CZ, HK, FN, HiPoint, a fucking calico, buy whatever the fuck you like because you're an adult and fuck what anyone else thinks.

>>32362146
The first run of m&p's had really bad triggers. They were inconsistent, heavy, gritty, mushy, and had no reset. When the shield was released there was an update to the trigger bar and some other bits that really brought the trigger up to standards.

As always the bad trigger meme haunts them to this day.

>>32362885
They are all very similar to each other, pretty much anything you look at will be available in multiple calibers, be doublestack, and be in a similar price ranges. Not giving a shit about what the trigger in your gun feels like doesn't make you superior anon. Go faggot somewhere else.

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>>32363027
>strikerbabby butthurt because he knows he HAS to have his widdle pwecocked 4.246634lb trigger pull to effectively make a 2 inch group at 3 yards

>>32361995
Hate that they removed the Beavertail for the full side

But when they make M2 Compact or G19 size I'll look into it.

>>32362920
go back to red dit faggot

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For me it is the Glock 17, The best full sized striker fired pistol.

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The Pro triggers were fine after break-in. It's just Glock babies with Apex triggers that bitch about everything, because Glock's factory triggers aren't anything to brag about.

They might have reinforced the frame more because .357SIG was enough to crack them in 1000 rounds. The biggest changes I'm seeing are the removal of the beaver tail, front slide serrations, and a much larger slide lock/release. If they added an actual release that you can operate with your thumb it's already a huge improvement.

>>32363038
>3 yards
Why just make contact shots anon?

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>>32362000
>>32362003

just gouging out some external features and making it uglier will warrant a jump in price

>>32361995
>the Glock
damn straight

>>32363038
No one cares about your 1911 fudd

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Until it passes the totally relevant and realistic McMUDD test™ i'm unconvinced.

>>32363020
>Inconsistent, heavy, gritty, mushy,
so basically a glock trigger

>>32362067
They changed the trigger guard geometry too it looks like.

>>32362090
Oh shit!

Fucking dropped

meh. i already have a full apex trigger in mine and i like the medium backstrap. i could use new sights but other than that, the 2.0 does nothing for me.

>>32364289
That beavertail don't do shit but print you mong. I am interested about the weird cutout on the front of the frame.

>>32362095
I think it might be an external detent to make the slide lock more positive, kind of like a 1911 or 3rd gen smith.

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>>32364701
The serial number and then next to it is a box for the QR code for military inventory purposes.

>>32361995

as a competition shooter always looking for the latest and greatest blaster, i'm wondering about the weight on the longslide models.

>>32364751

huh, that makes a lot of sense. maybe SIG'll do that so that'll stop Mk25 owners from printing out fifty of them when they inevitably fall off.

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>>32364775
Who cares if it falls of, mine fell off no shits given.

>>32362000
>>32362003
A e s t h e t i c a l l y I like the old one more. I picked up a used police trade in one a while back for cheap and it's breddy nice. The trigger is certainly different than anything else I've shot, but I don't get why everyone hates on it so much.

>>32364751
>MIMshit/cast aluminum frame
Exetershit, everyone.

>>32364811
>1911
>sig
>surefire
It's almost like you know nothing about quality

>>32362000
what is that buttfuckery in front of the slide release?

And why did they put such a noticible mark in the mould for the safety cutout?

>>32364811

autists. autists care.

>>32364811
>Who cares if it falls of, mine fell off no shits given.
probably because the speciulsnoeflaeks paid the exorbant premium for 'dat NSN sticker n +$300 boatanchor' on the slide, and if it falls off, they fall off their horse.

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>>32364866
This has been a thing for quite a few M&P models.

I believe it is a detent for positive slide stop retention.
Stops the shooter from engaging the slide stop during recoil halfway through the magazine.

>>32364848
hating on 1911s is common now on /k/, same with sigs, I love sig but I get the exshitter hate.
>surefire
What? Why?

>>32364929
>>surefire
>What? Why?
is it really that hard to figure out?
>Paying $350+tax for a taclight. Yes, just a taclight, no laser
>thinking that is reasonable
lol shit on that. Streamlight is where its at, their heads still on planet Earth.

>>32364820
The stock trigger is not great but its not bad either. Its just kind of spongy, desu I think it is a perfectly serviceable trigger I actually prefer it now after about 6-7k rds down range with my m&p.

>>32364929

people have been hating on 1911s since 2008-ish when i first started posting here.

>>32361995
Neato. Love my full size 9 and Shield, I'd consider getting a 2.0 if they have a new compact version too.

>>32364848
The guns are fine, it's that keyboard and mouse you have to worry about.

Looks like they are using the same trigger face, but removed the over travel block on the bottom of the trigger guard so it's probably just the H trigger bar from the last revision, the beavertail from the 9c, and some stippling...... Hopefully I can still get fucking parts for my "original" M&Ps...

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Posting most superior striker to date.

Fuck Glock cultists and M&P wannabes.

>>32366061
The fuck is wrong with the keyboard, also the mouse was fucking $3.

>>32364071

Glocks have always had consistent triggers, were NOT heavy, and had a definite reset. M&p's still have shit triggers to this day and it's fucking unacceptable with the p320, vp9, ppq available now and more strikers with supposedly good triggers on the way (cz p10).

But besides the trigger the accuracy of early M&p's were well documented and attributed to the slide barrel lock up.

>>32363038
Thanks for shitting up the thread.

>>32361995
Okay they need to stop fucking adding shit to the name.

I'm just calling it an M2.0 now.

all striker trash is the same

fuck them all

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>>32366664

Enjoy being killed in a gunfight when you fumble the safety on your DA/SA gun and then miss your first shot because of inconsistent trigger pull and then run out of bullets because you have a revolver.

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>>32366735
but muh specials forces use 1911s

>>32366735
enjoy your nd/ad grenade

>>32366785
1/10

>>32366774
hurrdurr fudd

stirker shit pistols are the poorfags pistol

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>>32366785

I love my glock but a kid I know accidentally shot and killed his GF, and i'm 99% sure it was because he had a glock.

More generally, the situation is possible whenever you have a gun that requires a trigger pull to disassemble.

He was drunk and sitting behind his gf in a moving car on NYE. He went to unload and disassemble the gun. Removed the mag, didn't chamber check, pulled the trigger to begin the process, bullet passed through her back and she bled to death within a few minutes. 20 years old and beautiful.

Not glock's fault, for sure. But had he been using some other striker gun, it probably wouldn't have happened.

>>32366774
http://kitup.military.com/2016/10/marsoc-chooses-glock-19s-45s-raiders.html
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>32366959
>drunk

people with guns should never drink

I hope the ATF starts giving gun owners random breathalyzer tests

>>32366989

Or at least have enough sense to leave your fucking guns alone when you're drinking.

The kid had just turned 21 and had very little experience with guns. So that made things even more dangerous of course.

>>32366959
>99% sure it was because he had a glock
>Not glock's fault, for sure

stupid people shouldn't own guns

>>32367010

You know what I mean, man.

It's not glock's responsibility or their problem. He was stupid and wholly responsible for what happened. I'm just saying that in the retarded situation he put himself and his gf into, that feature of the glock was the final piece needed to complete a very big mistake.

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>>32366785
>>32366853
>1911s

>>32367058
Gun went off as he pulled the trigger. I don't see a problem here.

>>32367003
>>32367002
damn its said posting error. didnt realize it posted twice

>>32367058
>muh .000000001oz trigger pull

>>32367072
it almost went off into his own hand

>>32367058
lmao typical 1911 owner

>>32367093

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YqcvuRRggM

lmao typical glock owner XD

what is this thread

>>32367091
Because he pulled the trigger. Honestly, what's the problem?

>>32364753
Just go apex 6" for your current m&p.

>>32367171
hammer fags being triggered

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>>32363516

This desu senpai, especially 3rd Gen.

[spoiler] Its better than the G19 [/spoiler]

>>32366441
It's a piece of shit is what's wrong with it. Buy something at least serviceable. Theres "nothing wrong" with a hipoint, but that doesn't mean you should use one if you can afford better.

>>32366735

> He can't handle an 8lb trigger once
> He can't into LEM or DAK
> He can snag in the trigger guard putting bullet into something besides the target
> He can't understand the Glock trigger safety is really more of a safety for inertia instead of the actual trigger

laughingwhores.jpg

Isn't this the same pistol that got knocked out of the running early on in the MHS competition? Seems like a good reason not to buy it, especially since there's no lack of inexpensive polymer striker-fired 9s out there these days.

>>32363780
I have an m&p9 and have no issues working the slide release with my thumb. Lift more fag

>>32367182
1911 owners think there's no way they can ND because they have a manual safety
This is obviously not the case

I had an early M&P9, so it was a problem child.

Pros:
-Excellent ergonomics
-Good accuracy out to 10 yards
-Slide finish really good in 100 degree weather in IWB 18 hours a day
- Grip Panels are nice
- Great factory sights
- Great slide serrations
- Probably 2nd easiest gun to work on right behind Glock
- Reliable as fuck
- Option of 1911-like manual safety (mine was too early)

CONS
- Was inaccurate as fuck past 10 yards. Verified with different shooters and rested No better than 7" groups
- Barrel crown as jagged, and would show leading very easy.
- Slide stops are tight as fuck newand rust easy.
- The trigger sucked in all ways. Mushy and no reset with grit. Plus the actual trigger design is garbage. The aggressive curve in addition to it being a top/bottom pivot fucks it up

Sold it off before Apex pretty much fixed the M&P line. Kinda optimistic about the 2.0 though because S&W really fixed the M&P issues in the Shield.
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>>32362000
>>32361995
>HERE AT SMITH AND WESSON WE REALLY VALUE THE VALUE OUR HANDGATS PROVIDE THE TACTICAL TACTICIANS THAT BUY THEM, SO WE'VE ADDED SIXTY PERCENT MORE EDGES TO EVERY SHAPE, AND SIXTY PERCENT MORE SHAPES ON EVERY FIREARM SOLD! DON'T LIKE THE GRIP? TOO FUCKING BAD, GET FUCKED GRANDMA. SWAP THAT SHIT OUT WITH ANOTHER MILDLY DIFFERENT PALM FUCK, BUT DON'T YOU DARE FORGET THAT THIS TACTICAL FINGER BLASTER CAN STILL SPIT LEAD WITH THE MAGAZINE REMOVED! WHAT'S THAT? YOU ALREADY FORGOT? THAT'S FINE, YOU HAD MORE TACTICAL SHIT TO THINK ABOUT, SO WE JUST ENGRAVED THAT SHIT RIGHT ONTO THE SLIDE. DID I MENTION WE ADDED SHAPES? SHAPES FUCKING EVERYWHERE, CIRCLES, HALF CIRCLES, CURVES, FISHY SHIT, RECTANGLES, SLANTED RECTANGLES, OBLONG SPHEROIDS, YOU NAME IT, WE'VE GOT IT! FUCK YOU SALLY, EVEN OUR TRIGGERS HAVE SHAPES? DAMN RIGHT, SON.

COMING NEXT YEAR, 120% MORE SHAPES PER SQUARE INCH.

>>32367755
Well thats one way to kill a thread.

>>32366735
Why would I have a saftey AND be using Decocker?

That's fucking stupid. Besides, by your logic, since it's such an advantage to have no safety, I just wouldn't have my safety engaged.

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Daily reminder that SAO, DA/SA, and striker fired are all garbage compared to pic related

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>>32368064
what ever you tell yourself.
pic related.

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>>32368064
But that is striker fired

>>32368064
is that why no one uses them, and there only frontman is alex c.

>>32366959
firearms, dont forgive...

Any firearm with no external safety has the same problem, irresponsible humans..

Each time i tell i non gun person that the glock has no external safetys the go "ohh thats dangerous" and then i explain them the 5 rules of firearms safety amd they go.. "well its ok then"...

Theres no firearm foolproof, you can shoot yourself with anything if you are careless enough

the saying goes you cant design anything to be idiot proof, because nature will design a better idiot.

>>32367002
>people with guns should never drink

Fucking THIS. You have to be a special kind of stupid to put yourself in a situation where both guns and alcohol are available.

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HEY EVERYBODY DON'T YOU LIKE THIS SUPER TURBO GUCCI TACTICAL TRIGGER FOR YOUR [INSERT STRIKER FIRED GUN MODEL]??? IT ONLY COST $160 MSRP!!

TOTALLY NOT TRYING TO BUY SKILL AND I'M JUST A "TRIGGER SNOB"

OH YEAH CHECK OUT THAT RESET [PINS THE TRIGGER TO THE REAR INBETWEEN SHOTS INSTEAD OF PREPPING THE TRIGGER UNDER RECOIL]

OH YEAH CHECK OUT THAT PRE-TRAVEL OH MAN IT HAS NO CREEP BRO SO CLEAN WITH NO GRIT

W-

WOAH. I JUST SHOT MYSELF IN THE FUCKING FOOT.

NO WAY MY EQUIPMENT MIGHT HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THAT, DIDN'T YOU KNOW DA/SA OR A MANUAL SAFETY WOULD GET YOU KILLED ON THE STREETS?

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Strikerbabbies, not even once.

>>32369505
I did a mild trigger job on my USP and I love it.

Not sure what that has to do with your post, but I'm just making conversation online.

>>32369505
>>>/www.1911forum.com/forums/

>>32369602
I don't even like SAO or 1911's. They're hella gay.

Stay mad, strikerbabby

>>32363020
The newer M&Ps didn't improve them by much, I bought a 2016 production 5" Pro and although the trigger is noticeably better, it was still shit.

>>32369505
Good triggers and unsafe triggers aren't the same things, newfriend

>>32369849
The .45 shields are pretty decent

>>32368203
Sell that hk to me. I'll give you $500

I think I was taken in by the S&W history, the allure of the m&p9. It's a sexy gun (gen. 1). Thank God I have done no more than replace the sights w/XS Std. Dot (front sight tritium only). I'm finding the trigger IS mushy and w/new sights now seems to shoot way low. But maybe I'm screwing up and pushing the gun in anticipation of the (negligible) recoil? Did I screw up by buying M&P? I got the thumb safety model b/c I NDed a Glock. Would it be smart to have internals worked over by knowledgable gunsmith, or just sell the thing? I will read your replies in the morning. PS I would like to give Glock a second chance ... Maybe I'll just go review Recommended Guns of /k/ infographic and shut up!