RELOADING THREAD

>>32361658
What's the cost for 1000 rounds of 9mm plinker ammo?
How long does it take?

>>32361658
So, OP, what will happen if I put a .357 load in a .38 case and fire it out of a .357 revolver?

When I do this, should I be worried about squibs?

>>32361677
Not OP, but
bout 14 cents per shot, assuming you have the brass (after you make back startup costs)

>>32361658
You do not need to trim pistol cases unless you need a roll crimp OP.

>How much for 1000 rds of plinker ammo?

Depends on your projectle for the most part, but you should be able to get them for $60-80/1000, so I figure aorund 15 cents a pop.

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>>32361847
it's a .45ish in that it might have been .450 Adams or .455 Webley both rather short cases I am loading with light smokeless charges. This is a .45 full length Schofield for scale I converted to a shotshell for giggles and the other is trimmed to .455 length and .450 Adams length, I want to know what will give better burn rates, the shorter dimension or the longer

>>32361847
>for $60-80/1000, so I figure aorund 15 cents a pop.
What

>>32361677
I've got it down to between 9 and 10 cents a round not counting brass using purchased copper plated bullets. You can reasonably get it down to 6 or 7 if you source your own lead and make your own bullets.
I no longer shoot 22.

>>32361825
It will be fine.
The only reason you should be careful is so that you don't put these .357 rounds in disguise in a .38 special gun.

Can anyone recommend a good roll crimper for 12ga plastic hulls?

>>32362015
Bunch of antique ones on ebay, don't pay more than 20 bucks after shipping, work well.

There's also ones that work on a drill press would be ideal , ballistic products sells a steel one and there's a nylon one here http://slugsrus.com/product90.html

>>32361677
well wish my free range brass, I'm reloading 1k 9mm for around 125 plus or minus some change.

I buy RMR bullets, titegroup, and cci primers.

Protip: avoid buying primers and powder online at all costs unless in huge bulk for cheap, the shipping and hazard fees will be refuckingdiculous.

>>32362086
>Protip: avoid buying primers and powder online at all costs unless in huge bulk for cheap, the shipping and hazard fees will be refuckingdiculous.
Couldn't disagree more.
Buy in large bulk from online sales. 30$ in hazmat fees do not offset hundreds of dollars in primer and powder savings.

>>32361677
Some people can get it down to something stupid like $.06/rd, but that requires some heavy lifting and long term investments. Unless you plan on making your own bullets, from lead you dug out of the range berms and smelted down yourself, you'll be pretty sound between $.10-$.13/rd while keeping it conservative. The more shit you buy, the higher the price.

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I'm considering starting to reload my own 7.62x39 because I want to shoot my gun at the range and non-magnetic copper cased ammo seems more rare, or it's corrosive or more expensive.

Doesn't seem like the brass casings are very cheap though either. Should I just buy cheap corrosive ammo when I can and then reload those? I don't feel like I'll be saving much money either way but I can't find any affordable copper cased x39...

>>32362111
I can buy titegroup for $16.50 and 1k small pistol primers for $27 locally, why would I pay extra money for shipping and hazard fee?

However I also live right next to a huge reloading supply depot where I can do in store pickup.

>>32362131
Reloading 7.62x39 is not economical whatsoever.

Just buy golden tiger from SGAmmo.com

I do not recommend reloading AK food as it can almost always be had for cheaper.

Also AK was made for steel cased food.

>>32361658
I'm really glad someone els made a reloading thread, I kept making them for myself and it was kinda getting old lol

>>32362155
things have quieted down since sandy vagoo. There were tons of reloading threads for a solid 3 years after because the mischievous ammo jew hoarding fucks tryna buy up that extra brick of 22LR to complete their already 55,000+ round collection.

I'm just waiting for the up and coming price drop since so many bought an entire soviet arms cache of bullets and won't need any for another 2, or 3, generations.

>>32362219
I don't think there will be imported ammo price drop, anon. Sorry.

>>32361677
ok so approx half the cost as buying new 9mm (I pay $0.20/rd)

what about time? How long does it take do do 1000 rounds?

>>32363979
On a 4 stage like mine, probably a couple hours.

If it's your first time, double that.


But honestly when you start out, you should load no more than like 20-25 rounds and test them to make sure you art retarded and are fucking it up..

Then load the rest.

>>32361677
For me, about $79.
>I buy in bulk and shoot plated bullets
About 100 minutes.

>>32361658
Normally, yes. With a Webley/Bulldog/anything else in .455, you can't run high enough pressure for case length to matter enough to worry about.

>>32362086
>>32362111
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, sells anything other than 1lb cans locally to me. Which means I'd be paying between $25 and $32 a pound for powder. Fuck that.

>>32362120
Nope. You can get commercial plated bullets for 7-8 cents each and commercial cast for as low as 5.5 cents each without having to wait for sales. Powder will be less than a penny pretty much regardless of which you use, even VV, because of the tiny charge weights. 3 cents for a primer.

>>32364084
Seriously? Man they are fuckon yall on powder.

Dillon 550
Redding T7
Dillon 1050super (still in the fucking box since July)

My .223 is around $0.37 a round, which is high but I don't plan on my brass making it past 4th or 5th reload and I use match bullets. It's rare that I can find plinking bullets for less than $.10 each and I get match bullets for that so I don't bother making plinking ammo. With rifle rounds brass prep takes most of your time compared to the actual reloading. There are several people who will do your brass prep for you for around $.05 a case shipped, I usually go that way and only prep 223 for special circumstances.

I load .308 and .30-06 on the T7
I load .223, .45ACP, and .357 on the 550.

I plan to move .223 over to the 1050super and load .308 on the 550.

223 (After brass prep) on the 550 is something around 400 rounds per hour.

>>32364084
Tfw you pay 45/lb for powder

>>32364100
I've got my choice of Cabelas, Gander Mountain, or a small mom n' pop fishing store that carries exclusively 1lb cans of Bullseye because reasons.

And I shoot enough to justify buying 4-8, 8lb jugs of powder at a go through powder valley, which means even after hazmat on my most expensive powder (H332) I'm paying around $20 a pound. And on my cheaper powders like Green Dot and H110 I'm paying like $13 a pound.

>>32364125
I'm so, so sorry.

>>32364125
If you are in the states paying $45/lb for powder then it sounds like an annual shooting trip to a cheaper state is a good plan for you.

>>32364125
But why though?

>>32364100
i get those kinda prices locally.

>>32363979
As long as it takes to not miss a single step in 1000 trials. If you're looking for a cheap/quick solution for your ammo ills you'll be disappointed. The real tangible value of reloading is that you have the ability to make ammunition, at any time, exactly how you want it constructed.

Depending on the tolerances you're looking for, it can take a while to build up your ability to load preferential ammo. The hardest part isn't actually constructing a quality round though, it's doing it 1000 times without any mistakes. Because, if there's one thing that can completely kaboom your shit, it's not checking your work and improperly charging your rounds.

The truth is you'll never save any real money with reloading. You'll just shoot more, or God knows that's the way it is for me and everyone else I know.

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>>32364125
fucking what??

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>tfw i want to reload a few hundred rounds of 5.56 but dont want to process that much brass
i might splurge for one of those all in one case prep machines. im currently doing things by hand and with a drill

>>32364109
So what's the real deal with the 1050? I understand it's a fantastic commercial press, but why 10 or so stages? Is it just for crimp and recrimp to make sure or something?

>>32364388
Mostly it's because you can process brass on the press. It removes the crimp on a primer, it primes on the down stroke and it can run with a case feeder and bullet feeder. Basically you can take clean brass (223) and just run it. I got it for a great price while supporting a junior team and if I hadn't I would have likely bought a 650.

>>32364386
Pay someone to process, or buy processed brass and sell it as 2x fired. I can't stand processing rifle brass. You just have to either have something to zone out with (movie) and a process that is really convenient or just pay someone else.

Processing on a progressive is nice because you save all the "pulling the case out and putting it back in" hell. I hate those case prep boxes because they are so shitty and noisy. I'd rather buy four on sale corded hand drills and chuck the tool I want up in them.

This is variable speed with a knob so you can set the trigger then zip tie it.
https://www.amazon.com/Variable-Speed-Reversible-Drill/dp/B00GXKLLC2/ref=sr_1_1?s=power-hand-tools&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1482083318&sr=1-1&keywords=corded+drill&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011

what kind of powder should i buy that works well for 7mm Mauser 8mm Mauser, and 6.5 Jap?

>>32364338
i save about $70 reloading 9mm. i shoot the same, i stock my ammo, i make quality match grade ammo and not some cheap plink shit.


i am the reloader of 9mm you all wanted to be lol

>until i move to my new job
>then oh god
>shooting constantly
>must perfect my handgun
>must win shooting cometitions
>must be able to shoot cap off beer bottle

>>32364386
people sell processed 5.56 on etsy for pretty cheap m8.

or be like me and pick up once fired range 5.56..... im currently siting on over 700 i got in one trip to the range in like 30min, and im about to build an AR, once the AR is built ill get the stuff to reload 5.56

>>32364386
Same deal.

Which is why I dropped $400 on a Giraud trimmer.

It works like a pencil sharpener and is 1-step full process that indexes off the shoulder. Even does a VLD chamfer.

>>32364459
H4895 should work okay

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Does anyone know the milspec velocity of 6.5x55 out of an m/38? I mean their m/41 ammo.

I did some incremented loads going up to 41.5 grains of N160, but started getting pressure signs with 41.3 and .4 and didn't fire the 41.5 rounds, mildly flat primers and the bolt might have been a bit stickier than normal.

I crono'd 41.2 averaging at 2500fps and I want to hone in my loads around this powder charge, or a bit less. I think it is probably about right or else a little faster than the Swedes got from their m/38 based purely on a wild ass guess that if the wikipedia cited 2640fps is right for the longer m/96 then I out to knock off no more than 200fps for the 23.whatever inch barrel of the 38.

Next time I'm going to use my usual CCI primers instead of the Winchesters I was forced to use on those loads, and I'm going to seat the bullet out closer to max COAL. That should ease off the pressure a little, although I didn't see anything to be wary of with any of the loads under 41.3.

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>>32362149
Reloading 7.62x39 only would seem to be economical if you were looking for subsonic or maybe to chase better end ballistics.

>>32364666
>http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/6.5x55.html
2519fps so yeah, you're dead on.

>>32364730
Thanks. That's a neat site, I think I've seen it before but that jogged my memory.

I want to start reloading 12 gauge, is there some machine that recrimps the shell? or is it just better to cut it off and place an overshot card over it.

Is rollcrimping an option with already fired hulls?

>>32361677
I'm reloading 115gr 9mm for $.10/round. If you're coming in at $.14/round then your overspending or you're a bullseye shooter

>>32364817
Yes, every shotshell press by default comes with a star-crimping station.

Roll crimping cannot be reasonably done on a shell that was previously star crimped. It CAN be done, but requires time and talent with a heat gun to iron out the creases from the star crimp.

>>32364826
Bullseye shooters almost exclusively use cast lead SWC bullets for the nice clean easily-scored holes they punch. Those are cheaper than even plated bullets.

>>32364817
Yes there's a bunch of dies and dedicated machines to reload 12 gauge. If you want to roll crimpers you need to cut off the fired crimp section, add components and then roll with any one of these >>32362040 contrivances.

If you had a choice I'd start with the star crimp machines given the amounts of shot and powder you work with would get old pretty fast with scoops.

Also it is hardly worth loading buckshot and definitely not birdshot, get a slug mold and you will save the most money.

>>32364859
They also tend to way overspend on powder and primers, being loyal to that fps consistency.

>>32364876
>>32364859
Thanks m88s

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>>32364817
Don't cut them. If the hulls don't have cracks and are decent quality you should have a problem . They are re creased and folded again.

Hull don't last as long as brass mind you though. Toss them if you see thinning or chipping of the plastic. Pieces of hull casings that fall off and get stuck in the barrel can cause unsafe pressure and maybe a Kaboom. It's kind of like a squib but not quite. I had an old shooting coach that called them zingers, because of the odd sound it akes when the round goes off. I have seen it happen once but we knew better and cleared the bore

>>32364889
Most of the bullseye shooters I know shoot Wolf primers because they're incredibly consistent. They also just happen to be the cheapest, by a large margin, because nobody's figured out the Wolf primers are made by SK Jagd in Germany and not Molot/Tula in Russia.

>>32364876
>Also it is hardly worth loading buckshot and definitely not birdshot, get a slug mold and you will save the most money.
Dunno m8, $3.50/box for skeet loads in 12ga and about $2.75/box for any birdshot .410 load is pretty fucking good. Around $2/box savings on 12ga and over $6/box savings on .410 when compared to the cheapest of the cheapshit and I'm doing straight-up AA clones.

>>32364933
I've only had zingers with .410.

I literally re-use hulls until they split or I get a zinger and am left with just the brass in the chamber. Zingers aren't dangerous but they do fuck your pattern (rarely do I hit anything with a zinger, but I use old hulls only for practice so whatever).

And a good 12ga hull like a AA or STS/AC&F will last dozens of loads. Hell I even get 8-10 loads out of my AA .410 hulls and I'm using a powder that's none too gentle with them (H110). A guy I shoot with uses Alliant 410 and is claiming 20 loads per hull consistently, and his split at the mouth instead of zinging.

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>>32364984
>I even get 8-10 loads out of my AA .410 hulls
Iv'e been interesting in switching to H110 for a few loads. It's a pretty versatile powder.

I've heard of zingers being dangerous but have never personally seen a KB from one. Seen it a few times with a squib though. My old coach said he saw a Franchi get a bulg after round fired through a zinger.

>>32365113
You do definitely check for obstructions AFTER a zinger, but the fact you had a zinger is not in itself dangerous.

I like H110 because it meters extremely well and is very clean, but it's kinda hard to find (due to its versatility everyone's usually sold out of it) and hell on shotgun hulls. I've been looking at switching to 300MP for .410 for a while but haven't bothered yet.

The ONLY kb I've seen in a shotgun was someone who dicked up a wax slug and forgot to put the wad back in, got birdshot mixed in with the powder. And I know a guy who's been shooting 3.5" turkey loads through a 3" chambered 870 for 10 years.

>>32361878

Professional plumber here. The mini cutters suck dude, you aren't working under a sink, get a fullsize pair so you can avoid some shitty hand cramping.

>>32365350
It actually works pretty well, the shells are kind of springy and rather thin so two pass with a bit of oil gets it done

Think I'll settle on making it longer in the event I ever charge it with black powder.

Mechanical or digital scale? There's a Lee precision scale for $25 and digital scales are about the same price. I've been seeing on articles that mechanical are usually more reliable though.

>>32365422
If you're on a budget, a balance-beam scale. The cheap digitals are inaccurate and take a while to warm up.

>>32365385

Fair enough.

>>32365422
i got a cheap digital and i payed for it....i use my lee scale as a back up for when the digital gives me some wacky ass numbers.

>>32365440
this

>>32364817
you probably shouldn't be reloading

>>32364338
>you'll just shoot more

fucking this

That's the golden rule of reloading: you don't really save money

>>32364125
jesus god damn. do you live in nome, alaska?

>>32366231
>That's the golden rule of reloading: you don't really save money
Finally someone else who gets it. No I never saved (as in put money back in the bank) from reloading. All that happened was my budget stayed the same and I shoot twice as much.

>>32366266
That's someone who is foolish enough to order online and order just 1lb at a time. $15/lb +$25 for the hazmat fee and $5 for the shipping.

>>32364876
If you're a competitive trap shooter who trains every weekend you'll wind up saving a fuckload with by reloading.

It's not meant to save you money on 25 shells, it's meant to save $10-$20 on a full flat of shells every weekend.

>>32366312
>you'll wind up saving
only if your demand is fixed. as in you saying I will only shoot 1000 rounds per month. For nearly all shooter it's their budget that's fixed. They say they can only spend $150/mo on shooting. Their demand is elastic and the number of rounds they consume will match their budget. So, to say that you'll save money, that's really not true unless the amount of ammo you use is fixed.

What really happens is your consumption increases due to a lower per unit cost and you shoot more while your budget stays the same. You don't actually save money. Saved would imply that you're under budget and have returned dollars to spend on other items.

It's like you use that word saved and you really don't know what saved means on how it's applied to money.

>>32365422
you have to use some common sense either way.

If the scale shows something that feels a little off, you have to have the audacity to double check it. I use both. I run on a jewelry scale because they are the most accurate and check it with an RCBS balance scale.

If you want the best accuracy out of a scale, stay away from reloading branded scales; they have +-.2gn accuracy which is pathetic. Jewelry and precious metals scales have +-.05 to +-.01 gn accuracy, because in the world of precious metals a little variance means money.

Also, if you want the most consistency, run the scale on DC with batteries and change them often. DC will always be more accurate in AC systems (wall plugs) unless the device uses very good rectifiers that can balance out the alternating fluctuations in the generated waveguide. Cheaper scales (which ironically are the ones reloading brands like RCBS and Lyman use) have notoriously non-fine rectifiers that are good for general appliances, but don't smooth out the finer ripples in the sinusoidal waveguide which can translate to few tenths variance with your readings.

>>32366370
That assumes the person would definitely shoot more instead of mounting thier current consumption.

>>32366370
back when I was practicing 1 or 2 times per week the most I could effectively shoot was something like 8-10 full rounds per day. Any more than that and the back muscles get so damn limber and tired it would likely be more detrimental than beneficial to keep training.

>>32366449
It's a fair assumption though, as the overwhelming majority of people shoot more instead of banking the savings.

>>32366469
Same. So when I got my Spolar I ended up shooting 3-4 times a week instead of 1-2. Ended up shooting about a flat a week extra.

>>32366479
Huh, I'm just weird then, I shoot about 2000 rounds a month of half and half .45 and 9mm and pretty much keep to it given I only have a certain amount of range time. Didn't think people would shoot more in response to getting cheaper bullets.

>>32366498
Some stay the same, but for most people the financial limits are hit before the free-time limits are. The majority of people will shoot more, the question is if they shoot ENOUGH more to not realize any actual monthly monetary savings. Depending on what you reload, the savings can be substantial.
>tfw .30-40 krag factory ammo is $2-3 a round IF you can find it
>tfw my jacketed full-power load is about a quarter a round
A single buffalo shoot, which is only 20 rounds if I don't tie and get into a shootoff, would cost me $40-60 in ammo with factory ammo instead of $5.

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>>32366282
>budget stayed the same
haha who are we kidding here, I spend way more money reloading than I did on ammo... Plus I don't shoot all that much any more so it just kind of ends up stacked on a shelf... >>32364826
what projectile?
>>32364109
55gr ZMAX bullets go on sale for like 6cpr at cabelas all the time... They are pretty swell...

>>32366550
Blue Bullets.

I switched from montana gold. I buy in bulk, primers by the 5000, powered by the 8lb jug and bullets by the 8000 or so and I use the enos discount codes to get 5% off.

>>32366498
I guess it really comes down to what kind of person you are. If you use it as a pathway to shoot more, then you're not going to see any savings. In fact, it'll probably be more expensive with range fees, equipment, etc.

If you're one of those who has been trying to get that extra 1000K brick of 22LR to complete your 40000+ round stockpile, then yeah, you need to reload. I swear some peoples houses are going to start bowing in the middle because of the small army's worth of ammunition they've been stockpiling.

>>32362131
the reason the brass cases for x39 are expensive is that the majority of them are burdan primed and not reloadable without equipment most people don't have or want, so the stuff for sale that excludes that stuff is more man-hour intensive.