Almost a bait thread

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>>32356900
Retarded idea.

>>32356900
Well we'll just spam drones, lots and lots of drones.

We teach those pan faced slant eyes the true meaning of zerg rush.

[spoiler]And we cover the drones in zerg faces[/spoiler]

>>32356900
we already have tanks

>>32356900
should have gone for the endosteel chassis

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Let her ride it.

>>32357248
That's a big butt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRDl5_-wJ0Y

>>32357248
dat's americas future

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>>32356900
practical use aside, it's kinda sad when the Koreans tried to make a robot, they can at least make it look good.
At the moment all we have is this piece of shit with a crew of clowns posing with katanas.

>>32356923
first post best post

>>32356900
>no link

>>32357267
4U

>>32356923
By that reasoning, the existence of rifles makes infantry a retarded idea.

>>32356900
I'll say the same thing I always say in these threads:

Conventional "mechs" like in the OP are retarded as hell for obvious reasons, but I think legged vehicles in general may have some real, practical uses.

The main advantage of legs over wheels is the ability to handle rough and unpredictable terrain, and to climb. I would like to see legged artillery vehicles of some sort, about the shape of those walking dog robots you can't kick over that Boston Dynamics made. Probably unmanned. Their use would be to get artillery and other long-ranged weapons in difficult-to-reach places on mountaintops.

Drop a shit ton of them around an area before a battle, and have them climb up to every hilltop they can. Once your battle happens, you have all these nicely placed guns on top of mountains that rain shells down from unexpected places

>>32358502
Not really. Investing in a big 'ol piece of shit that offers no discernible difference to current tech despite being expensive as all fuck is a horrible idea.

>>32356900
It will be cool to see mechs, they aren't even arguably practical for anything I could think of off the top of my head besides being very expensive toys (like sports cars or giant trucks), but still cool.

>>32356923
>RPG.
>against a walking tank.
>I'm just going to stand still.
Retard.

>>32356923
Yeah fuck vehicles or body armor or anything cause you can always beat it.

We should wage war with zerg rushes of men in loincloths wielding rocks.

Kill yourself retard.

>>32356900
40mm to the knee and it's outta commission

>>32361189
>investing more money into it than a tank
>no benefits over a tank
>Achilles heel in the legs that will topple it if taken out
Hmmmmmmmmmm

>>32358437
The gubberment probably has a gundam or two chilling in an old nuke silo honestly.

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>>32356900

https://unwire.hk/2016/12/17/korean-manned-walking-robot/fun-tech/#!prettyPhoto

found a video of it's use

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omecZT3n5n4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC_Q2wqZm-k

>>32361457
>>32361668

This.

>>32360795
Only a matter of time till it's curb stomping tanks

>>32361688
I mean, in a couple... dozen centuries I don't doubt they'll be a thing.

It's not supposed to be a tank, it's supposed to be advanced infantry.
>hurr hurr it can't resist a RPG shot
Yeah as if the average grunt could...
If you have infinite budget, of course you should build it. Not only it's a good body armor, but it's also the only acceptable concept of exo-skeleton.

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>>32361181
>rpg
>against a moving vehicle
>I'm just gonna stay still
Retard

>>32356900
Bullshit faggot, that a behind the scenes AMP suit pic from the new Avatar movie.

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>>32356900
>koreans are making a mech
>and they have drake to pilot it\
A weapon to surpass metal gear

>>32363455
you act like these things have 360 degree FOVs, that the enemy will stand infront of it in plain sight and in the open, and that thing likely has the mobility of a fucking Korean made mech (not every fucking mech moves like titanfall you fucking sperg, they're massive, heavy machine. not ballerinas.)

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>>32356900
soons?

>>32363608
What was the point of your post beyond splerging out that I threw your own retarded arguement back at you?

>>32358502

But who holds the rifle if there's no infantry ?

>>32356900
Kek
>just rained, ground soaking wet
>mech sinks into mud when attempting to walk
Checkmate
>mech patrol, afghanistan, 20--
>steps on IED
>falls over due to sudden jolt that gyros can't compensate for
>crushes driver
Checkmate
>105mm AP to the knee
>No repair teams
>can'tgoadventuringanymore.exe
Checkmate
>.50 straight into the cockpit
>HEADSHOT
Checkmate
>Hoth, Galacy Far Far Away, 0 BBY
>bullshit snowspeeders throw a cable around your legs and drop you
>Drop like a turd

Kek why even design a walking mech

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>>32363684

>>32363695
A proper walker would imitate arachnids, not unstable high CG humans.

>just rained, ground soaking wet
>mech sinks into mud when attempting to walk

Spidermech has low ground pressure and enough legs to probe surfaces before taking weight.

>mech patrol, afghanistan, 20--
>steps on IED
7 legs remaining to elevate body instead of tamp the IED. Central operator in thorax is well protected.

>105mm AP to the knee
7 knees remaining. Shoot on the move while scuttling out of Dodge.

>.50 straight into the cockpit
Arachnid design could support a much tougher cockpit.

>Hoth, Galacy Far Far Away, 0 BBY
>bullshit snowspeeders throw a cable around your legs and drop you
Spreading some legs while having others inboard would be stable while leaving some legs for extrication. If cables are a threat, blast or lase them.

>>32363713
Why is there a front sight?

>>32363756
To line up with the rear sight.

>>32363762
There is no rear sight, and it's a fucking robot.

>>32363739
Yeah, I really meant "Why design a bipedal mech?" I've always been with four-legged, insectoid, or arachnid mechs. However, one thing you have to consider is that unless your mech can run at 60 mph, able to evade shells thrown at it, like some modern tanks, you mainly have a siege weapon.

>>32363695
Kek
>just rained, ground soaking wet
>soldier sinks into mud when attempting to walk
Checkmate
>soldier patrol, afghanistan, 20--
>steps on IED
>dies
Checkmate
>105mm AP to the knee
>dies
Checkmate
>.50 straight into the head
>HEADSHOT
Checkmate
>Hoth, Galacy Far Far Away, 0 BBY
>bullshit snowspeeders throw a cable around your legs and drop you
>Drop like a turd

Kek why even use infantry?

>>32363783
You cant see the rear sight, and you'd have to sight it at some point to ensure the gun was zeroed.

>>32363793
>lel weight and ground pressure don't make a difference I was eating glue in science class lol

>>32363756
Because why make new manufacturing equipment when you can just take shit off the line.

>>32363809
>Passchendaele, Verdun, etc...

>>32363809
All pressure is on two at max 3x3 mech shoes, sometimes only one. Why not just put tracks on it?

I also find it kind of ironic that someone on /k/ used a Texan Sharpshooter.

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>>32360776
I think a better approach is dropping the 'make it look like a man' idea, and go for smaller, dog-sized drones that can climb walls.

Imagine drones. But they're on eight legs. They can climb walls, have infra-red vision, and they have box-fed machine guns on them. And there's hundreds of them being airdropped all over the city you're holed up in.

That's the only practical application for legged machines that I can imagine, at least for combat applications. Then again, the nation using them would be pretty much identical to Skynet.

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>>32356900

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>>32356900
>>32358502
>>32363684
>>32363713
By that metric, scaling down the servos and pneumatics to fit in a man-sized frame with light vehicle-level armor plate carried by the robot/framework would be a decent idea to bring back the heavy foot-soldier outside of mechanized light foot units. Not only does it obviate 95% of the armament of a light foot troop including the mainstay support weapons, but also forces anti-armor troops to waste cumbersome warheads on numerous single-man-sized targets in lieu of engaging primary armor elements; not to mention a powered, armored frame allows a force to equip a whole platoon as if it were a support gunner and anti-armor/local-air-defence team. With significant armor plating coverage and lifted weight concerns on a soldier's body it also allows more fantastic devices like rocket packs to be deployed without endangering members of the unit or, mostly, the equipment users themselves.

tl;dr hardshell power armor makes Heinlein happy; light power armor makes Heinlein sad

>>32363713
Can someone do a "this robot is your friend, he fights for your freedom" edit on this?

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TSFs soon? ...Maybe?

>>32356900
what a waste of taxpayer/grant money... Could of built something better and more functional out of fuckin K-Nex...

FFS the cabin isn't even sitting on a lateral rotating drum, the arms are too short to be functional, and all the servos are uniaxial. Oh wait, the knees arn't even directdrive motors, they are fuckin BELT DRIVEN.

Throw that shit in the trash where it belongs. All that 6061 alum would have more usefulness being turned into a semi full of full beer cans.

>>32356926
>korea is our ally...

>>32363695
i was a mech driver just like you once, until i took artillery to the knee.

>>32363756

Because the minimi comes straight from the waffle factory with a front sight

Why would they spend the time cut it off?

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>>32356900
These are fucking stupid inventions. There will never be battlefield mechs, this isn't fucking Avatar or one of your shitty anime comics. In the real world, these would be lightly armored because if they had armor comparable to a MBT they would be way too heavy. Therefore >>32356923 is right, they would be extremely vulnerable to AT weapons. They also do not provide any advantage over LAVs or MBTs.

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>>32361668
>tfw you will never vaporize rebel scum with your trusty copilot in a mighty imperial ATST
why live

>>32363852
>Trench warfare

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>it's another mech thread
God damn it, no matter how many times you faggots get btfo'd you still insist on this retarded idea.

>>32363793
A normal soldier costs the same amount as a mech? TMYK.

The saddest part is I recognize the parts involved and could make that if I had the ISK.
Its mostly just gear chained parts driven by electrics with lots of fancy looking skeletal parts. The honey combing isn't needed unless those things are that close to capacity, no way to tell, but well
http://www.sainsmart.com/diy-6-axis-servos-control-palletizing-robot-arm-model-for-arduino-uno-mega2560.html

>>32364537
Trench warfare or not, anything can sink in the mud, a human as well as a mech. It only requires enough stupidity to try to operate in a place where you can't.

>>32364697
An archer is even cheaper than a soldier... This whole discussion is theorical, it doesn't implies the cost of course.

>>32365578
>theoretical
That's a cop out if I've ever heard one.

>about the shape of those walking dog robots you can't kick over that Boston Dynamics made
Read the post

I'm basically envisioning a more climbing-oriented version of this, with artillery mounted on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDl6_V697mk

Make them mass-produced and made to drop via parachute. Saturate the enemy area with them when you think you might have a battle, so they have time to get into position.

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>>32366869
not posting the newest version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng
also pic semi related

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>>32363885
All I can think of. This is the only proper way to employ UGVs.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/30913979/#30917862

>everyone saying mechs should eat shit and never exist
They have a possible demand and market, just not in military applications. Someone somewhere is going to be like "hey I want to buy a giant robot to do a whole bunch of nothing" just like people want the newest apple product just to text or shitpost on social network.


Hell lots of people on /k/ already buy guns just to throw them into a closest.

>>32366909
Would fucking love to have one. How much?

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>>32366909

>That last 20 seconds

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>>32364174

>>32361697
Dude, your time count isn't exactly right. Do you actually know how fast progress works?

>>32368017
Ok, then one dozen centuries. Or when physics decides to go on vacation.

>>32357248
oh look a feminist

>>32361131
They'll be the only viable option for combat once Minovsky Particles are discovered

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MECHS ARE COOL AS SHIT AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE WRONG.

>>32364463
Hurr durr herp de derp. With guys like you there would be no progress.

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>>32368050
Nah, more of a mobile bug-out shelter. Just hide in the canyon.
If anything tries to attack, just tickle the moist spot near the front and whammo, instant earthquake attack!

>>32368017

It gets me so hard thinking about how exponentially fast technology is progressing. I'm sure it'll leave me in the dust before much longer but I'm still excited to see what the world will be like in 50-60 years.

Gonna be pretty pissed off if China/Russia/America decides to blow the fucking planet up before I get to see a flying car or android waifu.

>>32363626
There are a few magical and probably impossible technologies that make those work, and the control scheme is always hand waved bullshit that basically boils down to semi-operator guided AI (it's been described as you telling the mech what you want it to do and the mech is the one who does it more then piloting a vehicle). But those things are a hell of a lot more hard sci-fi then fucking gundam ninja bots that power up depending on the willpower of the operator.

>>32368032
It would take that long if humanity was still in antiquity. The more advanced humanity becomes the quicker progress itself occurs.

Anyone got that info pic about if you're making a realistic mecha manga, if have to design it low to the ground and maintenance heavy?

>>32368402
Actually, it'll take until we find unobtanium and discover a dust that stops physics from working. Until then it'll just be a money bucket pipe dream.

>>32368180
I don't blame you for not knowing anything about Japanese cartoon robots but what you said was outright wrong. While super robot ain't gonna explain shit definitely exists, many mecha works including gundam are often filled with so much lore and spec data and numbers it's almost unnecessary and reckons itself at times.

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>tfw this was fielded in Syria this summer

>>32363885
>>32366869

>>32368933
>>32368946
Why don't Russian drones ever have stabilised guns?

>>32356900

Why do all mech ideas boil down to a humanoid shape?

Just have a giant ass gun platform atop stocky legs that can run and jump like a motherfucker.

>"sir enemy positions ahead"
>Walker bounds into position
>squats like it's gonna take the world's biggest shit
>fires broadside after broadside of 300mm shells
>hops away

>>32363713
> I HAVE NIG-RIGGED YOUR REMOTE WEAPONS STATION
> PRAY I DO NOT NIG-RIG IT FURTHER

>>32363885
so Tachikomas?

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>>32356900

>>32367084
someone somewhere is going to be like
> hell yea I want a general-purpose construction robot that can scale the Everest
> in fact build me a thousand of them, I want to have Trump Himalaya Resort ready ahead of time and under budget!

>>32368077
now that I can understand
one of those Rheinmetall laser turrets, a diesel electric generator, bam, self-propelled CIWS that you can bring with you to some remote outpost in Helmand, tucked in on a ledge 500 meters up from the valley floor

>>32369061
because their sights are so shitty you need the spread

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get fucked

>>32368438
So was a computer in every home about 40 years ago. Now children carry them in the palm of their hands to crush candy.

>>32363783
>There is no rear sight
Are you fucking stupid? That's a 240B. They have front and rear iron sights.

>>32372015
What was the unobtanium needed for computer to get smaller?

Are you sure it was simply not higher precision so you could have more circuits on a smaller area?


For mechs to work we do need much lighter materials for a questionable "advantage".

>>32372329
Intel holds a list of patents so long, that if you printed just their titles and authors on A4 paper, font size 12, single spaced, the resulting stack of papers would be taller than your fully erect dick
that is unobtainium dust. each speck of it as essential as the next
they are pushing against the limits of quantum mechanics right now, do you realize that? transistors so small that there is a danger electrons might tunnel from one to its neighbor...
> simply
don't make me laugh

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Russia has already tried in WWII, T-34 was found to be more efficient and easier to manufacture.

>>32372461
the KV-1 turret is a nice touch

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Spider robots and mechs. Everything else is gonna be shit.

>>32372363
So you dont know the wonder material?

As expected of a mechfag.

>>32368081
You are like the monks who thought they could fly if they flap their arms really hard enough.

>>32361189
>Build a 1000000$ walking monstrosity
>Give mehmet and Ali 10 RPG's
>Receive a 1000000$ worth of scrap metal.

>>32373265
Progress and risk go side by side.

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>>32367046
I died.

Laughing.

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>>32356900
Tanks will always be superior, by the time you make mechs feasible, thanks would be so much more advance and whoop a mechs ass.

>>32361457
>mfw they killed and ate all those storm troopers

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I thought that the AMP mechs from Avatar seemed moderately realistic, in terms of design and practicality anyways.

>>32356900
Too expensive both in resource and training costs, unless they create unmanned versions.

>>32374784

I think Avatar is the only time a mech didnt look retarded, given the terrain on that planet a smaller sized mech that doubles as a cargo loader could be useful.

>>32373822
that tank
>what is goundpressure
>casemate gun
>mini plow thing between the tracks
>fucking robot arm

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>>32363970
All the world's militaries should focus on the mass production of weaponized Robbie Rottens.

>>32373619

Then jump

>>32374784
>giant glass windshield
>in a world where the air is poisonous
>and every living thing wants to kill you

>>32360776
literally clone wars artillery

>>32364229
>futuristic giant mech army
>using century old slavshit tanks

Trash anime.

>>32375180
I never said they were perfect. An armoured cockpit wouldn't have worked as well movie wise. If it was reality, yeah, armour with cameras and screens would be much more practical.

>>32375233
NO. TANK IS FINE

>>32373822
Make this gatling cal 400mm be real please! Imagine the BRRRT...

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>>32375176

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>>32356900

>it can only move when suspended from a gantry
>working

>>32361189
At last someone truly sees.

I think the main issue with Mechs is tactics. A mech isn't going to fill the roles of the tank. But if you could balance a heavy weapon and a not gigantic size I could see them being useful as infantry support.
> Tau crisis suits

>>32375729
But we already have IFVs

>>32373822
>DO NOT -INTERFERE- WITH SECURITY OPERATIONS

>>32375751
But IFVs are for fags.

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>>32374784
Only when compared to bottom of the barrel designs like the suits from the third Matrix film.
By non super-robot Jap standards the AMP is pretty standard at best.

>>32375870
We'll I'd argue that standard = the most potentially feasible in real life. The AMP is simple, and that's a good thing.

>>32374784

>I thought that the AMP mechs from Avatar seemed moderately realistic

Well obviously they are, given that the gooks have literally just built exactly that.

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>>32373138

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>>32368180
Battletech nerd here, let me try to explain the lore on how battlemechs are controlled.

Short answer is the helmet is the key man/machine link. The neurohelmet monitors a pilot's sense of balance and pumps that data into the battlemech's gyros so that it can stand up right and not fall down easily. Additionally, the visor provides a compress 360 degree field of vision, comms, and basic protection for the pilot's head. Most other aspects are controlled via pedels, throttles, flight sticks, buttons, knobs, dials, voice commands, and various other means.

The control scheme is generally hand waved because it doesn't make for an interesting part of the story often and is irrelevant to the majority of video games that have come out. Least of all to mention the horrid level of complexity and lack of unified standardization. Different companies have made these over centuries for different empires that were hodge podged back into service from scrap even Tony Stark would refuse.

>>32368742

I'm speaking more to how they fly like fucking ballerinas and there is rarely if ever any kind of control scheme to explain HOW the 'pilot' is doing that. And even if there are reams of data on some mechs for the most part they are sci-fi techno magic with absolutely no basis in reality and made up words.

And no, BattleTech is NOT with no basis in reality. It's fiction and ect ect ect, but example the 100 metric ton walking tank moves like a fucking 100 metric ton tank and is full of all kinds of controls. Where as 'gundum' or what the fuck ever are generally capable of doing flips and are somehow controlled by a single stick.

>>32376332
Battletech nerd back at ya. The control scheme is hand waved bullshit and in the earliest books where they describe how it works it also makes little sense. One flight stick controls the entire machine, another controls all the weapons. How the fuck do you make it pick up it's left arm as compared to it's right, as opposed to both, ect ect ect.

And the neuro-helmet does just what you said, but that is all it does. Transfer a sense of balance to keep the whole fucking thing upright. It has never been described what a pilot actually does to make the machine bob and weave. The closest is a reference to, as I said, AI doing the vast majority or the work and the operator more telling the machine what to do. It was one of the main books in Classic Battletech I think? It described a 'mysterious' incident where a dead pilot alpha striked her enemy and killed them. According to the 'teacher' in the fluff piece it makes a lot more sense when you realize the machine was just following it's last general command, 'Kill that guy'.

>>32361429
You know you have to be over 18 to post here

>>32376199
>Sup com 2 was shit
>never have another game as amazing as FA
Please anon don't give me these feels

>>32366909
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTdRVkJ-YAU

Here's a tracked version.

>>32377447

Bitch, I'm 23 years old and currently scheduled to go fight for YOUR freedom in the US Marine corps.