what is the difference between a battle rifle and a DMR?

>>32356258
DMR will have glass and be tuned slightly for accuracy. A Battle Rifle, is a 4 MOA gun that fires a big bullet.

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>>32356258
Realistically, cost and weight

As far as I know there isn't a caliber/power requirement for DMRs

>>32356258
the person using it's role

>>32356342
this

battle rifles fire rifle caliber rounds, DMRs can fire intermediate caliber rounds sometimes

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>>32356258

Battle Rifle has 1 shot takedown capability. Basically requires 2000 ft-lbs firepower. Emphasis isnt on accuracy but on hit damage and barrier penetration. Most Battle Rifles are at least 10 pounds. Another sorta rigid requirement is that it is at least Semi-Automatic.
> 308
> 762x54
> 30-06
> Battle Rifles: M1 Garand, M1A or M14, FN-FAL, Keltec RFB, technically the SVD is a Battle Rifle if you dont use the right ammunition.


DMR is specially designed and tuned for range but can be lower calibers such as 223. The only way you get past 300 meters with alot of systems is with a specially designed rifle anyway (308 can reach 1000m effective but most have 600 out of the box).

Only intermediate weapon caliber I know of that probably cant be turned into a DMR is 762x39. Anything lower power than 5.45mm I dont think would count since the 545 already has an effective cap of about 400m.

Even the 9x39 VSS isnt a DMR because its just not got the effective range, despite being a tack driver you're lobbing arrows.

>>32356394
Garand isn't a battle rifle

So what do slavs use when they want accuracy, 7.62x54?

>>32356436

yes it is, shut up

>>32356451
Incorrect.

>>32356394
>Tabuk

>>32356472
So the BM-59 is a battle rifle but the Garand isn't?

>>32356451
M14 yes, garand no

>>32356503
>box magazine
Yes

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>>32356394
>Only intermediate weapon caliber I know of that probably cant be turned into a DMR is 762x39

What about the Tabuk converted M70s? Ive seen that referenced as a DMR.

For a 5.56 platform would you bother with anything less than 77gr rounds?

What about stuff like 6.5 Grendel?

I could go either of those three directions right now for a DMR rifle but simply cant decide.

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>>32356503
Rifle cartridge, Select fire and DBM
Yes

>>32356531
~75gr tipped match rounds from .223 are good to about 400 yards before they have lost too much velocity to have good terminal ballistics.

Grendel is farther, but I haven't seen good data on it.

>>32356531
6.5 Grendel is a great DMR round.

>>32356394
>Most Battle Rifles are at least 10 pounds.

lolno

>>32356258
Not all that much really.
Mostly just the role it's intended/used for, and a modern-ish battle rifle will usually have higher capacity mags >10rds.
A battle rifle will also normally have a bit shorter barrel.

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This is a DRM.

Next you will see the battle rifle variant.

>>32356362
DMR in .17 hornady when

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>>32357516
See the difference?

The first one has a match grade barrel, free floating hand guard, accuracy stock, rails and a scope.

This one is just a rifle that fires full size cartiredges in semi and full auto.

Battle rifle is a full power, mag fed, semi-auto rifle. This includes the Scar 17, the G3, the FAL, and others.

DMR is a rifle of nonspecific caliber but is usually mag fed, semi-auto. A DMR is determined for its use in longer precision shooting. This means they usually have improved barrels, triggers, and glass.

A Battle rifle CAN be a DMR if it's used for a precision shooting role. But it doesn't need to be. Battle rifles can also be more general service rifles, as the FAL normally is. In this case, the rifle is not a DMR.

Similarly, DMRs aren't always Battle Rifles. Some people use DMRs in intermediate cartridges, which is more common in urban environments where range matters less.

Also DMRs feel better when you put your dick in them.

>>32357536
>>32357516
Free floated barrel, looks like an adjustable stock or just a stock with a cheek rise, optics, probably has a different barrel twist rate, match grade ammo, ergonomic grip, bipod, muzzle break, Probably a match trigger assembly or something similar to it and foregrip to help grip the rifle better. Whee can I find or buy receivers?
>>32356394
5.56 and 5.45 can also be used in DMR roles. Then there's the Armos and their silly K11 bolt action in 5.45, and their experimental VAHAN DMR in 5.45 as well.

>>32356547
6.5 Grendel is an excellent intermediate round for DMRs. A good replacement of 308 if the primary function of the rifle is distance precision.

>>32356394
>kektec RFB
>battle rifle

In a perfect world there isn't one.

>>32356547
L1A1s aren't select fire, yet they are still battle rifles

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>>32357767
They are slightly different FALs

You know, they used to call Mausers, Enfields, Springfields etc. battle rifles.
Who decided only autoloaders could be called battle rifles anymore?

>>32358868
Got a citation on that chief?

This argument is fucking stupid because "battle rifle" isn't a real technical term, it's just a convenient general name for a full-power semiauto or select fire military rifle. Nobody ever used the term when designing or issuing the guns we now call BRs.

"DMR" is almost as bad. Any gun that's modified or designed for issue to squad marksmen becomes a DMR, even if the modification is as simple as slapping a scope on the normal service rifle. Conversely, no matter how much you put into a civilian rifle it will never become a DMR, because it's not being issued to a designated marksman.

I'm not autistic enough to say that we should stop using the terms, because they're generally pretty useful for getting a point across (It's a lot easier to say "DMR" than "precision semi-auto/select fire military-style rifle with optics") but bickering over exact definitions is nonsense.

Lots of battle rifles were never designed to be sharp shooting rifles but were constructed so as to have MOA accuracy out of the box, the HK G3 is prime example of that.

Then their are rifles that can be modified to put out MOA accuracy, a match grade M1 is an example of that.

Then there are rifles that structurally could never be modified to being a sniper rifle without complete redesign. Steyr AUG is an example of that.

Ive always been curious why no one has ever made a *serious* attempt at making the AK platform a sniper rifle (the Dragunov is NOT a serious attempt)

>>32359342
>Ive always been curious why no one has ever made a *serious* attempt at making the AK platform a sniper rifle
because it was originally designed to replace submachine guns
no one has ever made a serious attempt at making the tommy gun a sniper rifle either you know

>>32359381
youre 12 or 13 years old and are a breakfast table 'expert' on small arms

>>32359381
>no one has ever made a serious attempt at making the tommy gun a sniper rifle either you know
Bubba, to the /k/ompound! There is work to be done.

>>32356523
Valid

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>>32359342
>Ive always been curious why no one has ever made a *serious* attempt at making the AK platform a sniper rifle (the Dragunov is NOT a serious attempt)
>implying the AK and SVD actions are the same

>>32356258
You can battle a rifle but you can't D a MR

>>32359342
>Then there are rifles that structurally could never be modified to being a sniper rifle without complete redesign. Steyr AUG is an example of that.
Bull desu. Sniper rifle is a nebulous term that ultimately means "anything that a sniper uses, sometimes accurized". If Juba has a Steyr and uses it, then that Steyr qualifies as a snipers rifle at the time. As an aside, I don't see how a heavy barrel AUG would less accurate and fit for sniper use than a heavy barreled M16, which is what the MK12 is.
>Ive always been curious why no one has ever made a *serious* attempt at making the AK platform a sniper rifle (the Dragunov is NOT a serious attempt)
An SVD is not an AK sniper, but I still don't see how it is not a serious attempt. Besides, Galatz, PSL, Zasta M76 and Tabuk all fit the bill, though you might not consider them "serious".

>>32356444
A rock

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>>32359342
Jim Fuller has been working on an AK DMR for some time now.

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>>32356258
What's this little flashlight mount here?

What video game are you kids playing? You know this isn't real.... Right?

>>32363271
Oh look, it's retard Jim and his retard posts.

Fuck off, retard Jim!

>>32363277
Retarded Jim here.

Tell me more about dmr rifles. Retard Jim was Infantry.

>>32363277
You couldn't stop my cock if it was face fucking you newfag

Get lost. Play in traffi.

>>32356274
Dude go learn what minute of angle is before talking about it on a Mongolian throat singing image board. A gun doesn't have MOA built in, its a sight adjustment you manipulate to account for distance.

>>32363253
https://www.gearsector.com/browse/category/mounts/flashlight-mounts/surefire-scout-mounts/

inb4 one is meant for battle, the other for dedicated marksmanship

Seriously though, battle rifles have 16-20" barrels with slight or no magnification in optics (anywhere from irons to 4x) and are used in medium range engagements using relatively rapid semi-automatic fire.

Dedicated marksman rifles have 18-24" barrels with magnified optics (4x+) and are used in medium-long range engagements with precise, relatively slow semi-automatic fire.

These are generalizations, but on the spectrum from 0 to 100, 0 being dedicated close quarters such as a short-barrel MP7 and 100 being a bolt-action long-range rifle, BRs land at 40-60 and DMRs at 50-70. There is overlap and a rifle can be a BR and DMR at the same time. It mostly depends on how it's used, not what it is.

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>>32363356

>>32357743
The proper name of the manufacturer is "LelKek".

>>32356258
I shot this rifle yesterday at the range (first time I went shooting).

It looks so bulky in pictures but it's so tiny in reality.

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>>32363361
>60 fucking dollars

are you kidding me

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>>32364362
this