/PLG/ Pepe Liberator General

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OP picture is related, it's an unfinished rendering which is missing:

>BCG travel slot
>Render Physics
>FCG

But other than that, this is how it will most likely end up looking. Input is appreciated.


Stock engraving will take place in the form of a woodburnt brand, with (potentially) this Pepe.

>>32352723
bunp

>>32352723
fuck off with that bullshit

>>32352723
"If you're aware of another popular ceterfire cartridge please list below"
If it was popular how would you not know about it? Not gonna lie the prototype looks shitty

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Good luck OP

from down under

What kind of trigger will it have? I think AR triggers would be a good choice

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>>32352763
Can i have this pepe engraved?

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>>32352785

Thanks for the "bunp."

>>32352797

Yeah, again; it's not bullshit, and I want /k/'s involvement in it. If you have a legitimate criticism, feel free to voice it. Otherwise go prep the bull, thanks. I'm also not advertising anything in case you feel the need to send a frivolous thread report; as I'm not selling anything. Merely gathering input from interested /kommandos/.

>>32352814

You just took that quote out of context. Center fire cartridge meeting the pressure specifications.

The last thread an anon posted that .45 ACP was a lower CUP/SAAMI than .380; and sure enough it was. I wouldn't have even looked.

Hence, that line.

Also, that is not to scale. The barrel will be waaay shorter.

What did you not like about it?

>>32352852
no pronlem nother bunp

>>32352852
if you can, download the Hornady reloading manual. heaps of calibres, should give all info on SAAMI specs

>>32352852
How about 10mm Auto? I mean, a meme caliber for a meme gun seems fitting, no?

>>32352723
These cocksuckers can fuck off. I believe in you OP godspeed!

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>>32352827

Thanks m8. Are you allowed to have one of these? I wouldn't think so but I'm not sure.

>>32352833

Oh...my dear, dear, anon. The trigger in this rifle will be 100% all white meat chicken tendies drizzled with cream de le meme; and the stuff of dreams.

I'm not sure If I should even talk about the trigger in this /PLG/. This one is mainly about caliber discussion, the next one will be about trigger selection.

I'll put it to you this way, some people will jizz over the trigger, some people will absolutely hate it.

You all may pick one....and only one.

If you guess what trigger feature it is I'll tell you.


>>32352849

If you want to pay the fee for the engraver to make a new one, and they actually approve it, sure.

Alternatively I would be able to edit out the Swazi, get the brand, and burn it back in after the fact.

It would cost ~250$, but yeah I would do it if you like.

>>32352723
Are you going to be rifling the barrel? If so this may help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvwOcrC6cdU

>>32352883
Nah man. If you design a pump action version however...

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>>32352723
So, how long (If you had to guess) before I can pickup one of these here meme guns?

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>>32352887
Speaking of which what kind of machines you working with? Do you have a lathe, drill press, or anything of that caliber?

>>32352852
I hate the thumb hole and the stock hole, the magazine position needs to be further back or inside the grip.

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>>32352855
>>32352859

That note was only because I missed the cartridge pressure of .45 ACP like a fucking retard, it being lower than .380. Never would have guess that.

>>32352861

Maximum pressure (SAAMI) 37,500 psi

Sure m8, you can be the first one to test it out of the 24K psi rated barrel.

>>32352867

Thanks man. I'm glad some people get it. My goal is to convert as many /noguns/ as physically possible.

There will be NO EXCUSE (in USA) not to have a gun when this project is complete.

>>32352887

Yes I will. I will show you guys what I will use to rifle, it will be fucking hilarious.

>>32352892

Aren't you guys allowed to have straight pull (ie. every time you re cock the bolt) .22s or something?

I could throw something like that together for ya?


>>32352907


Ummmmmm, pretty soon, I want the beta tester /kommandos/ to have theirs within 3ish months.

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>>32352723
That barrel doesn't look very stable, isn't it going to wobble?

Also do you have an FFL or Smithing License?

>>32352723
I'm curious about the project. I'd probably buy one if they can be exported to Canada.
Bringing that up, any chance this is 26" overall or more with an 18.5" barrel or longer? That would make it non restricted in Canuckistan and less of a headache.

>>32352926
so youre classified as an 07 right? if you do your SOT you should transfer me an SBR on a F3

>>32352926
We can have a spring assisted straight pull, like the Browning Maral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szECZwCH0P8

>>32352917

Nope. The only thing I will need is a drill press. Other than that, I will be making a meme lathe for the rifling.

Why, do you have some to donate? lmao

>>32352924

Noted.

I can move the magwell anywhere as long as it's not too close to the stock because I need some length for the buffer spring.

If enough people bitch about something I'll change it. That's kind of the point lol

How do I sign up to test your meme gun?

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>>32352932

I would agree that it wouldn't if it was that long, which it won't be. It will be secure to the stock, trust me.

Have you ever seen what holds the barrel to the stock of some guns

>One big screw

Lmaoooo

&

Nope. These won't be sold as guns, they are 80% kits. You don't need a license for that. If they sell well enough I would totally get one though; and this little puppy would magically fire from an open bolt ;)

>>32352935

"Bringing that up, any chance this is 26" overall or more with an 18.5" barrel or longer?"

I can and will do special orders for non-US customers provided it's legal, and the extra cost will be proportionate to the level of work put in.

For instance, longer barrel, not much work, like...50 extra bucks.

>>32352943

Nope. 80% kits.


>>32352947

Oh I could do you one of those mate, assuming it's legal for you to make your own firearm, and for me to send you the kit.

>>32352959
Id like to know as well.

>>32352982
You'd have to send it to a dealer/armourer (all guns go through a dealer anyway) for assembly, and get it serialised numbered etc.

Ill send info to my dealer mate. I'll chuck you an email.

>>32352959

How far do you live from the KY/IN/WV/OH/PA area?

It would be easiest for you to just travel here so I don't have to skype you while you make it, fix it without touching it if you did it wrong, on, and on. I can't make it for you for obvious reasons.

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>>32352984
see

>>32352999


>>32352986

"You'd have to send it to a dealer/armourer (all guns go through a dealer anyway) for assembly, and get it serialised numbered etc."

Yeah I mean if you got a kit to your dealer, and he assembled it into a gun, he could probably sell you that gun. Assuming it was legal for me to send him the parts if he lives in Aussieland.

Just explain the situation to him and get back to me, if he doesn't understand have him get a hold of me.

>>32352999
I live in AL...so kinda far.

>>32353009
He's a /k/angaroo, so I just sent him this thread

>>32352723
What have you done to the barrel?? I can't imagine how terrible is the mesh...

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>>32353040

Maybe in spirit then anon :/

>>32353146

Ah cool, pic related made me laugh today

>>32353221

I actually had the whole thing textured and it looked great, but the rail was picking up the texture of the receiver. I got really fucking pissed and ripped all the textures off, I fucking hate Blender. HATE IT. Any suggestions for a modeler that you don't have to look up how to use for every single fucking thing?

>>32352723
Here i fixed your gun. Take off the parts in black, and add usable sights and trigger

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>>32353356
Lol im drunk forgot pic

>>32353340
Don't texture before ending the modeling. Separate every part in distinct objects. Blender or not you'll need a bit of organization in your work... At least Blender is free.
Just by curiosity can you show the mesh in edit mode?

>>32352723
>Pepe Le'meme Liberation Technologies, LLC
Please change this.

>>32352723
Looks a bit wobbly OP
Also, if this is going to be a rifle shouldn't there a be a handguard? Or is this going to be held like a revolver carbine?

>>32352723
How are the barrels being handled?

>>32352723
.44 S&W special should be under your upper limit IIRC.

Also, will the chamber on the .380 variant be .410 compatible?

honestly this looks like something that'd be easily broken down and could go into a survival kit really easily, eg a plane crash kit for bush planes, shit like that.

>>32352797
So what about cheek weld? Or was that not a design constraint? It would probably be easy and cheap to add a pad or aomething

9x18 is just past the upper limit at about 23.2k, but with a 25k rated barrel it might be worth the slightly smaller safety margin.

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I've long dreamed of producing a pistol caliber carbine kit for the working mans budgets.

I'd probably go with square tube receivers that already had the barrel and magwell attached. But bring it would need to be an 80% kit then one would need to mill/drill out random shit to satisfy ATF specs. Maybe the ejection port and charging handle channel. The magwell could be longer than usual and closed with a line marking where you needed to cut off material at. Hollow but closed at the bottom. That might satisfy ATF's cucked view of firearms receivers and shit. The FCG could be a simple AR or AK style one made or it could be possible to use those clipped and modified G3 trigger groups that are so abundant.

Who knows? Maybe I'm missing important data.

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>>32353356
>>32353361

I hear you, man. I got kind of frustrated with my rendering software and said fuck it. The barrel will not be that long, you are providing your own optics (hence the rail), and the thumbole stock will be dropped low to keep it from feeling like a thumbhole stock, I promise.

The trigger is a masterpiece, for another time.


>>32353471

"Just by curiosity can you show the mesh in edit mode"

No offense, but no, I can't. I need to rebuild it all without the godless soul sucking vaporware known as Blender. I will try again when my patience comes back.

>>32353525

I was born to meme.

>>32353539

I had issues with my rendering software, there was a handguard, it will be back when I fix it. It will be held like a normal rifle. It will be most secure, the proportions are incorrect in this model, the barrel isn't so lank.

>>32353554

The barrels are being handled like an Aloha-Snackbar in a Toyota pickup truck. Ridden hard and put away wet.

> .44 S&W special

Yes, it will take Minié ball too, possibly 7mm pinfire as well. I'm always in the mood for a good dueling round.

"Also, will the chamber on the .380 variant be .410 compatible?"

I can try to cut the ejection port longer to see if it will feed & eject a .410 by hand if you like, there is no way it would feed through the mag well but I assume you know that because you said chamber.

"honestly this looks like something that'd be easily broken down"

Being close to min length it will be super portable for what you just described; and the price point means there is no guilt in picking 1 or 3 up. We will see on the disassembly, I imagine it will be easy.

>>32353824

>cheek weld

Is that something you want? What are you going to be using it for where you want a cheek weld for if you don't mind me asking? I'm listening, just seems like an odd request.

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>>32353854

>>32353854

I've just decided we are going to run every single thing that fits into a 9mm socket.

> .380
> .410
> 9 x 19 mm luger
> 9 x 18 mm Makarov
> 9 mm Largo
> .38 Special
> .357 mag
> .223 / 5.56 is going in there too if .410 is, it's the same as 9mm "Case Base Diameter - .376"

The torture test will be fucking based.

Anything that will feed from a glock mag will be tested as a viable caliber, but I will do the other ones for the lulz.

>>32353909

*Gunny voice*

"What, in the fuck, is that? WHAT IS THAT?"

We are on the same page here, friend. Please do follow the project because I think you will like what you see. Some people on here don't get it, some do. The reciever for these will require a 10$ hacksaw, that's about it. It will be a 0% lower to 100% lower in about 10 mins.

"The FCG could be a simple AR or AK style one made or it could be possible to use those clipped and modified G3 trigger groups that are so abundant."

I can't wait to show everyone the trigger group. It's my own design. I showed a little preview of it without any of the really neato cool nifty parts of it, I'll attach it so you can see. Still cool in this format, but the meme magic comes soon.

Has anyone considered that they're getting trolled? Just curious... if it's not a troll I want one. I live in Canada, only requirements are 18.5 barrel if semi auto + 26.5 oal. I'd live a straight pull bolt action in .22lr, 9mm, or .223 with an 8inch barrel. If .223 then stanag if .22lr then Remington 597 magazines NOT RUGER pattern they got raped in our laws recently.

I want one, how do I get one?

>>32352814
Who cares about what it looks like, does it functions and cost is cheap.
Nobody care about the style and flair when you are going pew pew at the urban rioters, zombies, and evil men.
I think the real issue is a shtf cheap and functional rifle.
if you don't like it, modify your own 3d model and print something up as a template.
Not everyone has a whole fucking machine shop in the garage to make it tacti-cool looking.

>>32352723
How about a magazine well with 3d printed adapters you can install to hold different magazines for various calibers?
That way you can just change the barrel and mag well adapter to fire differing rounds.

Or the other way around, a unified magazine, that can hold and dispense different rounds?
printed parts later?

I would like to see the 3D printing plans eventually open sourced for freedom's sake. Since we are giving you ideas, it would be nice for the ideas to be given back.

>>32352723
Please make a version for .22LR/CB and .22 Magnums. I hate my jam-o-matic Ruger 10/22 that required mods to make work right.

How about include cleaning port holes in action with rubber plugs so you can use a squirt bottle of water to pass the mud and sand torture test?

>>32352949

How about go one step better perhaps? Include a plastic jig to guide the drill bits so a drill press is not needed?

>>32354959
Send the ATF a picture of your asshole

>>32352723
This looks like a fun hiking/camping gun.

>>32352723
This could still be a ruse cruise, or some larping gone wrong gone sexual, but here's my two cents.

If you want anyone to not call you a retard faggot, drop the memes, and I don't mean the logo or "company name"

Keeping using memes as legit replies and say shit like "i was born to meme xddd" and you deserve to not be taken seriously. Also don't talk like a faggot in general. At the moment you have no actual product, to everyone else all you have is words, at least pretend to try.

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>>32354937

Most people are past the fact this isn't a troll. There much better ways to piss people off.

"I'd live a straight pull bolt action in .22lr, 9mm, or .223 with an 8inch barrel. If .223 then stanag if .22lr then Remington 597 magazines"

Yeah nah mate, none of that is happening dude lmao. Did you read the OP? Did you vote?

>.223 would very literally banana the breech, and .22 is not suitable for defense.

>8 inch barrel...what?

>I live in Canada, only requirements are 18.5 barrel if semi auto + 26.5 oal

That's pretty similar to here, I don't know if you guys are allowed to have 80% kits though.

>>32354959

Keep following / replying to the /PLG/ threads, subscribe to the main channel when the prototyping videos comes out, sign up to be a beta tester, keep strawpoll voting on the /PLG/ thread topics; all of these things will help.

>>32355046

It will look good, I need to sort out an issue with my modeling software. Bear with me. The only reason I posted this because of the intense interest generated from the last thread I did, otherwise I would have waited.

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>>32355103

> "How about a magazine well with 3d printed adapters you can install to hold different magazines for various calibers?"

Something I've considered. The problem is that it will be a flaming faggot to get the adapter back out unless it's a giant cock sleeve.

> "Or the other way around, a unified magazine, that can hold and dispense different rounds?
printed parts later?"

That's a whole can of worms, not to mention more R&D, a 3D printer which I don't have the money for, etc.

> "Since we are giving you ideas, it would be nice for the ideas to be given back."

Are you fucking joking dude? You want me to design a universal magazine and adapters, as well as the gun itself, buy all the tools / materials, beta test it, send my prototype to the ATF, get a lawyer, get a website and LLC, buy overhead, assemble the kits, on and on; but it should be open source because "giving me ideas?"

You don't think 100$ for what will essentially be a battle rifle isn't "giving the idea back;" which was my idea, my unique FCG, BCG, etc?

>Implying I'm not going to use the few shekels I make off of a unit to make another, better version for even cheaper

Please go back to Ancap land, for some reason I know you weren't joking. That just took the cake for ignorance.

The entire point of this was to help in that way, into the garbage you go.

>>32355171

Read the OP, caliber choices have already been decided by over whelming popular demand. You can get a 10/22 for 250$ new, this wouldn't help for that caliber. It's a battle / defensive rifle, eventually being able to take +p+ ~9mm calibers.

I would make you one at a premium if you like lol


>>32355241

"I did the sharpie in pooper, can you send that form 4 along for me?"


>>32355246

I would think so!

>>32355201
This. Make it so that even the plebs can build it easily and you'll do well. I'll probably buy a few if you ever make it (I'd even sign up as a beta tester if I was in one of the states you named) but I'm a pleb with no tools other than possible access to a Dremel and a crappy drill, the drill guide jig would be quite helpful.

>>32352723
Are you gonna have some made for the non free states like New York ? We can't have thumbhole stocks or postal grips

>>32352723

> price point has moved up to ~100$

See I TOLD you a 50 dollar gun wasnt happening.

> inb4 Hi_point understood this and still made a genius product, though you get what you pay for.

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>>32355201

You will not need a drill press to construct your receiver, and in fact I will be making a video to show you how to make and serialize your own before the kits even come out.

In fact you wont even need a drill for it.

You will need:

>Walmart Hacksaw
>Sharpie
>Lube


That's it. It will take 30 mins max from unboxing to shoot.

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>>32355698

See below. I will put in the next PLG that only a hacksaw, ruler, sharpie, and something to stamp with is needed to assemble.

>>32355727


>>32355722

I'm actually working with a /kommando/ right now who is graciously donating his time to help me do just that.


>>32355724

This will be under half the cost and not be ugly as absolute sin. They also don't have 80% kits.

But yes, point taken.

If enough sell the price could keep tumbling.

OP, are you Royal Nonesuch?

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>>32355846

I would let that dead eyes, no talent having tooth pick know how much of a faggot he is for thinking he makes guns that he directly rips off of other people.

His "Grease Gun," video where he got help from a big gunshop owner was cringey as fuck. He literally put a modern mag and lower on a tube and it still FTE, FTF like 10 times in his testing video.

No, I'm not Royal Cuntfuck.

>>32354123
Well, as far as shooting goes it's just more comfortable having a cheek weld. Not necessary, but ideal imo

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>>32355432
Seconding this.

The incessant meme-ing is fucking gay, OP.

>>32355432

So you can use a Jewish Youtubers "gone wrong gone sexual," meme, but it's not ok when I use a 4chan meme on 4chan?

GTFO, you look stupid for calling the kettle black.

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>>32355938

Fair enough, find a cheap adhesive pad that doesn't look wonky and I will consider it.

>>32355954

>Implying I don't know you are the same shitposter.

See >>32355963, then kys.

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>>32355987
Not the same guy, just another person with the same opinion.
>Hurr durr if enough people complain about it, I'll change it.
Multiple complaints on the meme-ness in both of your posts
>Stop fucking samefagging.

>>32354123
Install a shitty iron sight.

Wow. If you can get this done I don't give a shit if you call it taurus 2: electric boogaloo, I'd buy it

I saw that you were thinking of a potential .357 torture test. If the first run of 9mm or .45 or whatever is successful I'd suck your dick to make a .357 chambered version

>>32355758
Thank you and the /k/omrade for figuring something for us in not fun friendly states. How far have you two gotten?

I have a general question, Norway-fag here who doesn't know much about guns.

I've got an automatic HK416 with me since I'm in the home guard, previously I had an AG3 (G3) and an MP5.

When it comes to "cocking" the rifle, why is there this complicated, awkward pullback mechanism on top of it? I get that it work for lefties better than the older standard rifles, but for me it's hell.

My question:

Why doesn't every gun use this method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRRzus9wto

Any reasons I shouldn't design my own AR that works like this?

>>32352723
>Pepe Liberator: A rifle behind every blade of grass...

Except it's not a rifle, it's a pistol caliber carbine. A handgun is more concealable and more versatile, plus I don't have to worry about it blowing up in my face because some guy on the internet thought he could make guns.

Scale it up to shoot rifle rounds and put some kind of forend or grip on the front and it may be a consideration if the price point is low enough to justify purchasing such a monstrosity.

>>32352723
first i've heard of this, if you manage to box up something that looks sort of like it might work i'd buy at least a couple

>>32355963
>but it's not ok when I use a 4chan meme on 4chan?
well you are the one trying to be some kind of legit hardass nogunz savior, so you could really use less faggotry to promote your ebin promise
>>32355987
>lol samefag kys
oh why did I fucking bother
yes lord faggatron, you sure showed them.

>inb4 this shit gets some fame and become laughing stock for both gun owners and liberals
>inb4 this shit inevitably explodes and hurt someone IF it's put into production
>inb4 this will be known as "4chan hate frog tries to make illegal homemade assault weapon and fails miserably"

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>>32358216
>fame and become laughing stock for both gun owners and liberals
how?

>>32358852
He literally said how right after retard

Yup, still shit. And would you look at that, the price already doubled :^)

So a bullpup handgun firing carbine?
For what purpose do this fill?
What is the overall length?

>>32352723
>/pol/ makes a gun
>It's shit
Who would have thunk it.

Jesus, it's like looking at Homer's car.

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Where the fuck is the recoil even going to go?
Retarded
The weight of the gun is all in the back
Where does your second hand go?
No threaded barrel? Sweat, no silencers
FUCK There's just so many things wrong with this.

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>>32356068

Idk, it's reasonable to think you could be samefagging. I'm used to having ID's on /pol/, I feel like someone ripped off the trolls' "gold star," it's usually Australians and Canadians who start trouble.

>>32356146

You are more than welcome to install whatever you like on the rail. Even a poop iron sight is like 20$. Every time I add something like that, we get further away from the 100$ mark, ya dig?

>>32356148

Well thanks, anon.

I mean, that is more for burst pressure testing, we are going to see if goes kersplooey; but eventually If I found a way to get better quality barrel materials or reinforce the breech on this one it's certainly an option. I will be testing the latter for sure.

The problem is when you get into making it in 4 different chamberings, (right now we are at least at 2 simultaneously) it would become an absolute bitch to make for only a few customers. If people wouldn't mind waiting on a batch list (ie 10 or 12 people want .357), that could be possibly looked in to.

>>32356696

No problem, it's almost more important for me to make these legal in communist areas; kinda of the point.

We are just discussing the CA serialization bill at the moment and how it would effect the sales, we have spoken briefly about what Commiefornia considers sporterization.


>>32356740

I don't understand your question, Norway? That knob is the charging handle for the bolt, you don't pull it every time.

"Why doesn't every gun use this method"

Because we have semi-automatic rifles. If you can clarify your question I would be more than happy to answer it.

The number of parts necessary to make 3 separate calibers would make this more expensive than your target, sticking to 9mm would be your best bet.

Also a good choice to make the stock and other non-critical parts wood-laminate because plastic-molding machines are specialized. Get the mags to be glock because they're basically standard for 3rd party guns like kel-tec.

Now, heres my contribution to the concept. You're far better off making a single-shot break-action rifle in 7.62. It would be the simplest to machine, build, and have a far greater impact on whoever your 'target audience' is.

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>>32358996
The recoil goes to the back of the gun.
>MUH BALANCE
>MUH THREADS
It's not even a prototype yet, let alone a finished product, so
1. How do you know how it handles?
And
2.not every feature is going to be present
Autistic frogposter/10 made me reply

>>32352723
What's the planned price, who are you going to have make them for you for commercial sale

>>32359181
>50
Nope
>100
Sure
>final price
350 because this guy is a retard

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>>32356777
>>32356777

First of all, nice trips. Secondly, you don't have to worry about it blowing up in your face because I am obviously thinking this out instead of being like "Oh yeah, .223 will totally work because it's less PSI than NATO, let's try in this thin steel barrel *cut to ER trip*

Which is it, going to blow up in your face, or not powerful enough to be a rifle? In this day and age, it's kind of blends together imho, but yes you are technically correct. It will eventually take rifle rounds. We will find out how generous manufacturers are with pressure specifications, listen you me.

>>32356862

Thanks for the support, anon. Bump these threads if you support the cause!

>>32358128

Exactly, why would I bother justifying myself to you when you aren't adding anything to the discussion? You are calling troll but trolling.

>>32358216

>Inb4 works really well
>Inb4 so many sell I can drop price under 100$
>Inb4 really popular with high school kids
>Libs freak out "100$ BABY KILLER!!!!!XDDD"
>Inb4 I get V& even though I dindu nuffins

>>32358946

That was due to popular demand. I have no idea why but 4 or 5 people asked to make it more expensive. Kind of joking but also kind of not.

>>32358960

Being the absolute cheapest high cap bullpup and rifle of it's caliber on the market. Is that not useful?

Min length.

>>32358961

It will look good, s...shut up!

>>32358996

>Where the fuck is the recoil even going to go?

Into the bolt, into the buffer spring, into the back of the receiver case. Where the fuck else will it go?

>Where does your second hand go?

There is a grip, I was having issues with my modeling software.

>No threaded barrel?

The barrel will be threaded.

>FUCK There's just so many things wrong with this.

Or it's in development. It's not that big of a deal.

>Pricing a firearm before you've even finished the CAD model
>Making your CAD model in blender
>Not even having a finalized design intent
>Giving your project a meme name

>>32359319
You are going about this trying to move backwards from having no equipment. Until you have at least 3 COMMERCIAL milling machines and three people who know how to use them working around the clock you aren't making shit and sure as shit not for the prices you are suggesting.

50 dollars a unit is what the raw materials cost as in before you even have anything that resembles a gun you are already in the hole for that amount, do the math from shop time to the cost to ship it out to FFLs and you are looking at $350 minimum. You want advice? Get some cash together and make a small custom shop after learning CNC programming, five years of that and if you aren't bankrupt expand to a slightly larger shop, then you make some decent cash and donate to whatever white nationalist causes that gets your dick wet.

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>>32359129

Well, it's going to be able to take Makarov, .380, 9mm, pretty much anything that feeds from a 9mm Glock mag.

But yes I agree. I may sell conversion kits after the fact.

>Also a good choice to make the stock and other non-critical parts wood-laminate because plastic-molding machines are specialized.

If you read the OP, this has been addressed.

>Get the mags to be glock because they're basically standard for 3rd party guns like kel-tec.

If you read the OP this has been addressed.

> "You're far better off making a single-shot break-action rifle in 7.62"

Why? I will honest in saying I don't think so but will hear you out. My target demo is defense, poor and young people at a price you can't refuse.

>'target audience'

What did you mean by this?

>>32359141

Thank you, exactly what I said here >>32359319

>>32359181

If you read the OP, this has been addressed. It's a kit. If enough sell, I could partner with an FFL.

>>32359212

I will tell you this, I'm just tacking 100 USD to my materials cost, which is going to be under 30$ ATM. I can absolutely promise you right now it will not go over that. Screencap this.

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>>32359372

>What is the point of any name ever
>I'm switching renderers, I've said this over 4 times
>Getting project direction from people who want it is bad?

K.

>>32359392

No I'm not, and you clearly didn't read the OP, like the last 5 people.

I'm not trying to compete with Remington, no offense but I hate when people use the "production scale" meme.

I know what I can make it for or I wouldn't have said it. You will get videos soon.

>>32359474
I read it, the small production is what is going to up costs beyond what you project for, I have a job as a CPA I take home a decent amount and I give what I can to my state second amendment foundation and to charities in mostly white low income areas. Do the same and you will be doing more for the advancement of white America than making cheap trinkets.

Is this going to be long recoil action? I've always thought that a long recoil gun could be made on the cheap.

>>32359474
>I'm switching renderers, I've said this over 4 times

If you're not using Solidworks, Inventor, CATIA, ProE or some other parametric CADD software, then you're doing it wrong.

>>32359426
Taking different calibers means having multiple parts kits, and multiple assembly lines. Thats a trade-off I don't think will be worth doing. You would need a lot more volume of sales, and so far, you have none. Stick to a single caliber.

>break action single shot

Tools are built for a job. Guns are tools. If you want to arm a minor insurgency, you gotta make a few assumptions. Your users will be irregulars. They will not want to lug around conspicuous arms. They would prefer standoff ranges. They would prefer firepower over functionality.

Building a break action in single shot allows the gun to fold in half, be concealable, and would not even need an extractor to work.

And your irregulars will probably only need to fire one shot at a time anyways.

>>32352999
When would a test rifle be ready? I'll be in IN from Oct- Nov of next year

>>32359474
Keep doing /k/ubes work /pol/anon some of us are still with you

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>>32359505

Prepare to be wrong. Not trying to be a dick but you are incorrect, and we can just leave it there until proof comes out if you are alright with that.

" I give what I can to my state second amendment foundation and to charities in mostly white low income areas. Do the same and you will be doing more for the advancement of white America than making cheap trinkets."

Interesting. I'm not one of those angry white racists, but if I were, I would commend you on that.

So you have some money to donate to the cause then, brother? That's what I'm hearing.

>>32359514

Hybrid action, but yes kind of.

>>32359547

You aren't wrong. I fucked up.

>>32359592

Aside from the fact that it sounds like you are talking about something illegal which I completely disagree with; those are good points. Very good points actually. I don't know how to respond to that.

>>32359607

Within 3ish months max.

>>32359709
>throwing money into a black hole
If I wanted to do that I'd donate to Section Ape housing.

Is this going to be a hard 80% thing to do like AR-15s?

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>>32352723
this looks like a bullpup ar-7

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>>32359623

Thanks anon. We will do this together, no communist.

>>32359723

Are you implying a containment zoo for them isn't a good use of resources?

>>32359731

If you read the OP, you would know it won't be. You will need a hacksaw, ruler, and sharpie to complete your kit.

>>32359768

Um...yes. That is exactly what it is.

>>32352982
You are aware that the ATF regulates gun parts manufacturers as well as gun manufacturers. You need to do ITAR paperwork just to be able to legally thread barrels for pay.

>>32359505
How about advancing the lives of Americans in general you under acheaving penny counting cunt?

Also. Bump - I like you initiative op.

>>32359880
someone actually uses the blackboard boards in a course you're taking?

>>32360162
>Americans
>non-white
Pick one, friendo. Notice how all these minorities always have some kind of label in front of American? I achieve my goal of helping fellow whites because they are my fellow americans, the rest are only here for money and don't internalize American values

>>32352723
It would be awkward, but the .45-70 is at 28,000PSI. With some clever reworking and upscaling, it could probably work.

>>32359124
Hey if you wanna make tougher barrels, you could use a thin barrel liner, a printed sheath and have it wrapped in fiberglass with some resin in between. It'd be light and tough *enough*.

Theoretically, building a lower-pressure rifle-caliber version could work.

>>32360207
What's an American value? Historically you could say the systematic conquering of native peoples was the white thing to do... Seems to me you should therefor have no problem with brown people eventually outnumbering whites. I will say- any and all reality tunnels are valid/invalid/ maybe valid... But from my own perspective, yours seems quite narrow minded. Eat some acid. Think heretical thoughts. The brown menace brought the glorious taco to our land for fucks sake.

>>32360249
No hand loads : ( what about long colt?

>>32360341
The brown menace has the worst integration rates of any race, the brown menace is a protected class, the brown menace is deliberately attempting treason by declaring thier independence of america, the brown menace is over crowding schools and driving test scores down, the brown menace is more likely to rape, steal and maim for nothing but entertainment. They are protected by the elite class and you think it is the same conquest of old? You think the average white deserves to be taxed to death for them?

And you want all that because of diversity. Because of food. Kill yourself, you want nothing but your children to be raped and brainwashed in this nightmare because you are scared to stand up.

>>32352883
Solenoid striker?

>>32360364
Not handloads, lower-pressure-loaded .45-70 reaches down that low intended for the older Sharps rifles.

Recoil becomes a whole other problem with this next round, but 12-gauge is at a max of 14,000PSI according to SAAMI spec for 3.5" shells. Of course, recoil becomes a problem there; simple 2 3/4" shells would work just fine.

Same max pressure as the .45LC, but 12-gauge is far easier to get your hands on.

>>32360383
I think your spouting the same bullshit used to ban marijuana in 30's. You want schools to do better? Pay teachers more- you want these imaginary combatants to play fair? I'm sure native Americans felt the same way. Go ahead and lump huge groups of people together - assign them some scary quality, it's the same divisive shit religion and government have been doing forever and your sleeping ass is the reason it works. Your the very same as those you fear and only your words stop you from realizing it. Your cucking yourself.

Btw. I'm done derailing op's thread. Respond to this if you want but I see no need to continue

>>32360493
>I don't look at data so my ignorance is excusable
the amount of illegal immigrants who have committed crimes, been to prison and are out in the streets are close to 3 million. And you think you are safe with them. You also think giving more money to idiots to spout thier worthless Marxist garbage is a great thing to do, that it is my responsibility to give more money to the children of illegals as if it would benefit my own. I sent mine to private school and yet you want me to keep paying taxes to public education that fails over and over again?

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>>32360107

Thank you for bringing that to my attention, I will be sure to investigate that, although I'm not sure what I'm doing would be under the ITAR blanket. I will surely find out.

>>32360162

Thanks for bump.

>>32360172

Our (((professor))) forces us to do 2, 500 word main posts a week, with 2, 250 word responses per board, for 8 weeks.

So ((500x 2) + (250 x 2)) x 8 = 12,000 words for the quarter, not including the 3 main 2000 word projects.

So basically 18,000 words this quarter. Fuck that class. I just finished it an hour ago. Fuck.


>>32360207

This is true.

>>32360249

Do you have a lot of .45 - 70 laying around? Lol, do you consider that a popular round? Just curious.

>>32360282

I tell you what I am going to do; I was playing around with the idea of a fiberglass / acrylic reinforced breech, I am going to do that in the prototype, and based on the "response" that the gun gives me, we will see if it would be worth trying to chamber in a full power round.

That's what it's all about. Putting a bunch of ideas together, testing it, and seeing if it works out.

"Theoretically, building a lower-pressure rifle-caliber version could work"

We will see. I forgot about the fact that the barrel has a certain rating, but that barrel is supported by a piece of material with the same exact rating over top of it in the breech. If there was some internal and external support in that area, maybe it's not that big of a stretch to fire 5.56 / .223? Worth a shot, no pun intended.

>>32360341

Spergy.


>>32360364

No. It needs to have as broad of a support as possible.

>>32360383

This is true.

>>32360493
>Pay teachers more

Americans have been paying more and more and more towards education and test scores have gone down.

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>>32360402

Very good guess, but no. If it was legal, you could bet your ass it would have a solenoid striker driven by an Arduino, Li-po batteries, and a coil around the BCG to recharge as it fires.

Sadly, we all know why you can't have a Raspberry Pi control a trigger LMAO

That would be a hoot wouldn't it? Oh no ATF, it's only semi-automatic and no one would ever know how to edit the program files. This is legal, right?

>>32360422

Like I said, I will do batch kits if the people don't mind waiting on a list. Once like....20 people want a certain caliber, I could do that, but we aren't going to go wild with the odd rounds.

>>32360493

>native Americans felt the same way

So you would admit that unfettered immigration is bad for the people that live in a country?

Also, you realize the Natives were not peaceful river living people who wanted to share the land? The cut the scalp off of their enemies and kill anyone they didn't want to rape.

>>32360545

I'd rather get off of this vein of topic, you are fully aware this individual isn't informed, just let it go pls.

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>>32360929

Actually the U.S. has the highest per capita spending per student, and we aren't even close to being the highest scoring nation.

It's almost like some demographics are more intelligent than others, and education doesn't change your IQ.

I don't know where someone would get that idea though.

>>32359124
Same New Yor/k/er asking about making it for no fun states. I'll still get my hands on your non fun states illegal ones

>>32360985
I'm an american and I'm not white. Are you willing to sell me one of your guys, or am I just not statistically law abiding enough for you?

>>32352883
Another ausfag here, we're allowed manual-action rifles with a 10 round capacity on class A/B licenses, which is what most people are able to get.

A pump action rifle with a 10 round mag for cheap would be pretty sweet, it's probably got the fastest ROF for any manual action, and if you can sneak in the ability to slamfire it...

>>32360985
There's a 10/22 stock that uses an electronic trigger. It's the Vadum. It's apparently legal.

Are you still using a pipe for a barrel? Because that shit's gonna blow up. Might not blow up after the hundredth round. Might not blow up after the thousandth round. But commercial guns are expected to last a hell of a lot more than a thousand rounds.

>>32352723
that looks like a really shit design. either a ridiculously long barrel or way too short a stock. I can't even tell how you're supposed to hold this thing - where is the trigger?

>Will be sold as complete part kits /w receiver blank instead of FFL produced (Don't worry, 30 mins from you unboxing it you being able to shoot. Legos.)
if it's really legos than it's a complete firearm. '80%' is as vague and bullshit as anything else in ATF policy, and in practice it generally means you have to do some kind of machining.

>Will be sold by: "Pepe Le'meme Liberation Technologies, LLC."
yeah, that alone makes me complete disinterested.

>Price point has moved up to ~100$
bullshit.

you're an actual fucking middle schooler, aren't you?

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>>32361242

>"Same New Yor/k/er asking about making it for no fun states"

Did I not answer your first post? What do you want to know?

>". I'll still get my hands on your non fun states illegal ones"

What do you mean by that? I'm aiding in any illegal process.


>>32361278

Stop dude, you know full well I never said anything like that. Facts are facts, sorry. Just a couple bantz, you are more than welcome to purchase just like anyone else.

>not statistically law abiding

Out of curiosity, how statistically unlawful are you?

See....jokes ^

>>32361284

Why don't you shoot me an email, good sir.

>>32361323

>"if you can sneak in"

Yah nah mate, I'm not sneaking any kind of anything friendo


> " we're allowed manual-action rifles with a 10 round capacity"

Does the magazine have to be fixed or are you not allowed to have magazines of that capacity?

>>32361425
>Does the magazine have to be fixed or are you not allowed to have magazines of that capacity?
No restriction on whether a mag has to be removable or not, as long as it's pinned to 10 rounds it's kosher. I think that's how it is in Canada, too?

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>>32361356

Damn, that's actually pretty cool. Too bad an electronic rifle is literally useless in a warfare situation.


>It's needs ammo....and batteries...and it broke

lol

>>32361398

> "Because that shit's gonna blow up"

No, it's not. It's technically a pipe but not like you are thinking. A rifle barrel is also a pipe.

>" But commercial guns are expected to last a hell of a lot more than a thousand rounds."


How many? What is anon's standard?


>>32361404

> " either a ridiculously long barrel or way too short a stock"

It's not to scale

> "if it's really legos than it's a complete firearm. '80%' is as vague and bullshit as anything else in ATF policy, and in practice it generally means you have to do some kind of machining."

No shit dude, yes you will have to make cuts, if you read the thread which you didn't; you would know you need a hacksaw to finish the blank.

> ">Price point has moved up to ~100$ bullshit."

How is that bullshit? That's not where it will end, or I'm not selling it for that cheap?
>"you're an actual fucking middle schooler, aren't you?"

An actual one? As opposed to what? Not...an actual middle schooler?

Damn. I'm late to the party this time, but I'll keep this thread on auto just like the last one. It's looking great so far. Godspeed anon.

Gonna be in the IN area for school for the next semester. I dunno how close you are to IN but I'm a poorfag engineering student without a car.

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>>32361548
Also OP, dunno how your stock /k/ommando wants to approach a NY legal wood stock, but might I suggest something like this, seeing as it looks like it'd be hard to redesign the handle placement.

>>32361445

Canada actually has much better laws than you guys in relation to guns which is "SAD!"

For instance, they are allowed to have a 10 round glock .40 mag but put 15 rounds of 9mm in it. It's crazy retarded lmao

>>32361526

Thanks man. I've gotten some fantastic input and made lightspeed progress with the direction in the past couple days.

So much so that the prototype build starts tomorrow. Not in 3 weeks.

>>32361569

That actually looks sweet as fuck lol

Yeah the guy has a shitload of expertise on it, I am honestly letting him handle telling me what to do with it because he knows so much. I will post a CA/NY stock as the main image in the next few /PLG/s.


>>32361548

Jesus, you must be one poor, poor faggot.


What are your CAD skills?

>>32361618
9mm in a glock 22 mag (and .40 in a glock 17 mag) will misfeed like a motherfucker.

>>32361645

I don't know what goes in what but the point is the same.

>>32360985
If we have to standardize one caliber other than, say, 9mm then I say 12-gauge because that's on every Wal-Mart shelf, anyone with a grandpa who had a gun will have it, and you can't exactly ban 12-gauge without banning all firearms altogether as well.

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>>32352723
It may be a bit late in the game but I don't see why you could dumb this thing down into something like a pistol caliber, straight blowback version of the Wimmersperg SPZ-Kr. That dumb thing was obviously made for limited production capability and looks like a chimp could build it.

>>32361618
Yep, such is life in aerospace engineering. To be honest, i dont really need a car as parking is expensive as fuck and I've got more important things to spend money on.

I'm damn good at supersonic gas dynamics analysis, but I consider myself only "5/10" with my CAD skills. I do have my own copies of Inventor, Solidworks, and the like, so if you want me to load up your model in something less of a dumpster fire than Blender, lemme know. Or for some reason you decide to start building thrust chambers.

Also, since we're talking about NY legality, either the detachable mags on the gun sold in NY must be less than 10 rounds, or be integral and non removable.

>>32361669

That is a very fair point that I will take into consideration.

>>32361689

Holy shit, if this is the sperg AR-15, that is the sperg AK fucking lmao, I will look into that but by the looks of it, it's an open bolt gun.

>>32361690

Your 5/10 in Cad is probably my 11/10.

Yeah I would love some help with that, shoot me an email if you are serious.

>>32361732
The Wimmersperg Spz-Kr fired from an open bolt and originally fired 7.92 Kurz. It used Stg.44 barrel blanks, magazines and magazine catches. The receiver tube, charging handle and several other small parts are Sten based. A 7.62x39 version could be built as long as you could give it functional lockup.

Either that or the TRW LMR.

>>32361835
Derp, it was a closed bolt gun. Also it had a trigger like the later Steyr Aug and a partial pull was single shot and a full pull was automatic.
But it was closed bolt according to the limited sources out there. Had a brain fart.

>>32361051
Given how most things in the USA cost more per capita than many other nations, even relative to the strength of our economy and all that, I'm pretty sure there's other (((reasons))) why education costs more but does less. Which isn't to say you're wrong per se, but black people are still subject to the Flynn effect for whatever reason.

Anyways I think whatever cartridge you standardize on it should accept the "normal" load for that cartridge, because you have to assume your shooters are dumdums. They're not Ashkenazi Jews, after all.

>>32352723

Nato stoopid

>>32361732
Here's my 2 cents about the design. Some of this may have been mentioned already, it's a long thread and I'm too lazy to read it all.
>>thumbhole stock
Why? if this is a legal thing, fine. If it's for looks, drop it and go with a normal grip

>>no hand guard or trigger
I know you mentioned they're just not pictured, but if you want opinions we're gonna need to see the whole design.

>>Is that the charging handle on the top rear?
It would be nice if it was placed in a better spot so you don't have to lose sight picture just to cock it. I'm assuming it would be similar to an AR or it would be raping your face every time you fired the damn thing.

>>butt stock
Why is the back of the butt at a funny angle like that? It looks a little weird and uncomfortable. Most butt plates aren't at an angle. Also, the piece connecting the rear of the butt to the back of the magwell area is unnecessary. Too many hole in the stock, should just make it separate pieces.

>>Final thoughts
If you're not some sort of troll, I'd be worried about a few things...
>>Is this going to blow up in my face
>>is this actually legal?
>>how do you actually expect to hit that price point?
>>is this a scam when it comes time to pay and these are supposedly "available for purchase"

>>32361835
>>32361838

Hm, interesting. We are certainly going for the same type of thing minus those god awful looks and NFA action.

>>32361860

No, it's just a conspiracy. You are on the internet too much. Now keep going to work and paying those (((taxes))) Goyim! Good Goy!

>>32361866

NATO what, dude? There are multiple NATO calibers?

>>32361953

The thumbhole stock isn't for looks, it's to keep me from needing to add a grip which costs money. You are asking how I'm going to hit the price point (I will) yet in the same breath asking me to add a grip.

>">>no hand guard or trigger
I know you mentioned they're just not pictured, but if you want opinions we're gonna need to see the whole design."

I had a rendering issue for the 5th time. Be patient.

> "lose sight picture just to cock it"
> "raping your face every time you fired"

It's like starting an old car. You better watch yourself or you are going to get bit with a heavy, fast piece of metal.

>Buttstock angle

What angle do you want? Tell me what angle you want perpendicular from the floor, and I will make it so.

>Troll

There are much better ways to piss people off

>Legal

You've never heard of 80% lowers?

>Is this going to blow up in my face

Not if you follow the cartridge specifications that I set to the letter.

>is this a scam when it comes time to pay and these are supposedly "available for purchase"

If I was going to scam I would probably do something with the bank / something involving more than a 100$ item. Also, any time you do something illegal across a state line that's a felony. Not very smart, eh?

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Op, what sort of trigger bar are you using?
Just lookin' at the mag placement in relation to the grip it would need something, I know it's not been pictured but im curious anyhow.

Secondly, a dust cover attactment port might be a neat thing as an "option" and just have a threaded hole waiting to take the cover/brass deflector.


As for forguards; why not just use a second simple rod style, sure it's not pretty but it reduce cost and works well enough for a 100$ weapon.

>>32362166
Adding a grip? The render you have is already fairly elaborate and you mentioned it being made of solid wood yes? I don't see how cutting out a bit more wood to make a regular grip vs a thumb hole grip would save money. If anything it seems a bit easier to remove more material given the angels and shapes you're going for, depending on the tools you're using to work the wood. If it ends up 3d printed, I guess it's a moot point anyway. In the end the grip is honestly not that important considering what it is you're trying to achieve here, I'm just throwing out my opinion. I just don't really see how it would save you money to go thumb hole route.

Also, are you really saying that the charging handle will be blowing back with each round being fired? How the are you supposed to aim if that thing is literally where you put your cheek?? I might be misunderstanding you here.

I'm a bit skeptical but I think what you're doing is really cool, btw. Don't mistake my questions/input for discouragement. Good luck!

>>32352723
Never saw these threads before. Is there any way I can secure a spot as someone who will beta test these as you get them pumped out? Super excited just scrolling through the thread.

>>32362166
As soon as you get out of beta, I'll buy one. Hell, if you do a discount I might preorder.

>>32360207
I'm here for the freedom.

>>32360985
Scalping was introduced by Europeans. There were intense tribal conflicts, but the lifestyle of most of the Americas was vastly preferable to the way europeans lived.

I look forward to Matt Furie bankrupting you with a lawsuit

>>32363989
>Scalping was introduced by Europeans.

Citation?

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>>32352723
$25 made not to KB, fits in 3/4 inch pipe. You can find them rifled.

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>>32352723
By semi auto to you mean slamfire? Because it looks like a weird magazine fed slamfire.

I support this stuff OP and shot you an email about a beta testing.

Also in terms of ideas an easily removeablebarrel would give this some concealablity so a user could sneak to his position and quickly assemble his rifle.

Move the foregrip up and towards the end of the barrel more. That gap is ugly and handling the gun with a grip so close to the trigger is awkward. The butt of the stock shouldnt be angled. should be perpendicular to the barrel in my opinion.

Cant think of anything else without significantly changing the design. This is the first Ive heard of this project. I dont frequent /k/ much. This is badass, thanks for doing this project. I very much want one now.

This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen, but if it actually goes into production I'll buy one for shits and giggles

OP is going to get his dog shot

Good luck, retarded prince. But without licensing you are going to get your ass handed to you. I'll support you if this goes beyond beta.

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>>32352723

I would not buy this gun for $100

I would have agreed to $50, and before you showed me this horrible design.

chamber it in cold loaded 5.56mm subsonic and call this experiment finished please

>>32352723
Interesting concept rifle, OP. A nice simple blowback can work for these pistol calibers, now here's something that can help out alot: AR aftermarket. Your pistol caliber carbine can sell well if its compatible with good aftermarket, especially that of the AR. Also here in the US, the minimum barrel length for rifles and carbines are 16". If you want it to loophole around the SBR laws, you may want it to be compatible with a pistol brace, and there are alot of AR pistol braces for sale.

>>32367475
Is that a Kolibri?

I sincerely hope you can make this idea legal in every way possible. I really do.
I also hope you stop with the $50 dollar bullshit. You need to do at least $120.

>>32368951
You are a fucking idiot the rifle is already a bullpup retard

Sent ;^)

>>32354497
I think I smell what you're stepping in. Is the buffer spring the same spring that powers the striker?

>>32356148
I also want a .357 semi auto but the rimmed cartridge could make mags difficult. It also might need a different BCG/extractor design. It should totally fucking happen though because that would be a really cool rifle and there isn't anything like that on the market.

>>32356740
There are side charging AR's but they aren't very popular. I don't like the normal charging handle but at least there is BHO and a bolt release on the side of the receiver.

>>32374837
You could always use existing mags like coonan mags. Heard those are reliable.

>>32374837
Why even make semi-auto .357s when 10mm exist.

Really. And rimlock in is a HUGE bitch.

>>32362166
Where the hell have I been that this is the first I've heard of this?

I have absolutely no need for anything like this but it's an intriguing enough idea that I'd buy one once the kits become available, just to support the project.

Good luck.