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okay

i recently started taking medication for depression

can i get some sort of mental healthcare while in a military branch?

and how much shit should i expect from officers/enlisted about it?

>>32347063
Don't tell them about depression. People tend to get depressed in the armed forces so they don't want anyone who already has problems with it. If you tell them you're on meds for depression you'll be denied.

>it's finally exodus
>can finally see my family for the first time in 11 months tomorrow

Feeling good boys.

Thinking about going 18x after graduation with a bachelor's in science. Anything should I watch out for or know?

Thinking about going 25B in the national guard. Anything I should know or recommendations?

>>32347116
Shut up and get back to studying your language

Bump for America's Navy.

>>32348381
Been going that for 8 straight months

Asking again

How difficult is it to land any 1A position in the airforce, in regards to both availability and training required?

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i took a practice asvab on 4tests.com and got a 73% does that mean i got a asvab score of 73 or a conventional score of 73

i got a practice asvab score in the recruiters of 58 is that good?

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>>32348479
You got questions?

>>32347123
Be in excellent shape, thats a given though.

>>32349324
>i got a practice asvab score in the recruiters of 58 is that good?
No youre a dumbass, or just above one.

>>32347104
Not him, but what if the job you want requires top secret clearence? Im scared an investigator will find out.

>Talk to my recruiter for 5 hours about jobs
>The one I want got filled yesterday by some cunt with prior service on her record.

FUCK, what do I do? I want to do a cyber job in the AFR but there are no openings at the base anymore. All the other jobs seem so uninteresting or super labor intensive.

>>32349767
>No youre a dumbass, or just above one.

the average is 50 how does that make me a dumb ass

>>32349872
Because the average person in the military is a dumbass.

>>32349872
The asvab is fucking easy and I only got an 89 on it.

>>32346885
how would one enlist as a warrant officer, 150A to be specific?

>>32349830
>FUCK, what do I do
wait

>>32349940
Part of my problem is I have a kid coming in August.

Waiting too long isn't exactly on the table.

>>32349872
>the average is 50
It doesnt exactly work like that. Theres a point you cant go below i beleive. Ive never heard of someone getting an 13 or something like that. Lowest i ever heard was 38. And either average=dumbass. At the end of the day it doesnt matter though, it only matters if you cant get the job you want.

>>32349830
What job did you want?

>>32349968
3D0X2

Cyber Systems Operations.

TS clearance and a sign on bonus AND it was the job I absolutely wanted before talking to a recruiter.

>>32350017
>ARgen tripfags score 50 in ASVAB
what a surprise

>>32349767
>You got questions?

Yes. I am specifically interested in on-site security, surveillance, and intelligence but I do not want to be the equivalent of an MP/cop. I was thinking something similar to the AF's ISR Agency and what they do, but a USN equivalent.

Being a MA (the rate I've decided on so far) is the only job that I know of where I would get to do this kind of stuff, and I may be lucky and be tasked with on-site security (checking ID's) or even surveillance, but I could also be placed in corrections and patrols (policing) which is not what I want to do.

Are there any jobs or ratings that are more in the line of what I'm looking for, without the possibility of being tasked with corrections or policing?

ask a guy who finished 42A AIT a month ago and has been a lazy faggot ever since anything

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>>32350189
>I may be lucky and be tasked with on-site security (checking ID's)
Are you saying you want to do this?
Man youre either retarded or being memed. MA is one of the shittiest rates in the navy.
Super slow advancement.
Shitty/boring job.
Dumb people cause low asvab requirement.
Poor upward mobility.
No bonuses.
Everyone hates you.
You need to think long and hard about this man, i highly suggest changing rates.

>>32348921
That Arabic ain't going to learn itself, motherfucker.

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If you aint infantry, you aint shit

>>32350771
lmao why would I want to die or get athlete's foot

>>32351080
cos ur a pussy with no self respect

Headed to Ramstein for three years, so glad I chose Air Force. I kind of regret not going the super high speed cool guy spec ops route but I'll grow out of it

>>32350714
Thankfully I ain't in that shitty lanugagr. Korean here

Currently an 11b in the guard and want to reenlist active duty as MI. Can anyone give me tips or suggestions?

Anyone here Brit army? Thinking of joining

>>32351533
What will you be doing?

>>32352381

Are you going to try to cut your guard contract short, or just go active afterwards?

They recently changed the rules to make job selection a lot better as prior service, but you might want to jump on that now before they change it again.

>>32353030
Not yet but im thinking about a royal marines commando position myself. Anyone got any tips?

Taking the ASVAB in less than 3 hours.
Can't do basic high school math without a calculator
Tell me how fucked I am.

(I'm pretty good in literally every other category that isn't math though)

>>32353678
AMMO

>>32353030
feel free to come over to australian army after you get booted in 20 years so you can be a fuck wit over here as well

>>32354340
ASVAB is cake. Even the kids with extra chromosomes score 50+ You'll be alright.

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Do former-enlisted have a rougher time at OCS?
How does OCS compare to boot camp? Are you with a drill instructor practically all day?
Is there any literature that is provide as part of your issued gear like there is in boot camp? If so, what?

>>32349934
You don't enlist as a warrant officer. You earn it by, usually, attaining the rank of E-7 or above, or at least being board-eligible for E-7.

Posting again form.a few threads ago

>27
>Firefighter school graduate
>Paramedic/Rescue Technician
>Go around the world with a company and train departments in Rescue, Medicine, and wildfire fighting
>Want to serve

What options do I have? Last time the only response I had was telling me 68W was probably my best option.

>>32355249
Nope. For aviation you enlist as a warrant officer candidate.

>>32355420
>What options do I have?
Literally every option. Why would you be limited? Pick what you want and go for it.

>>32355420

>68W was probably my best option.
best option for what? All you said is "want to serve"

>>32351080
Why do people join the military without wanting to do military things?

>>32355572

College money mostly. That's why I joined.

Will there still be a pilot shortage in 3-4 years?

>>32355572
I've wondered this exact thing.

Former 11B1P here. Good times I would never repeat.

>>32350771
CTI Navy here. You're welcome for saving you from a terrorist with a bomb strapped to his ballsack by accurately and rapidly translating goat fucker while you were watching a 11 year old try and sell his ass for a piece of bread.

>>32350189
Go CTI it's the best rate in the navy.

>>32348381
Fuck off ive been studying Farsi for an aeon.

>>32357432
kos kesh

>>32355011
Dude I was scared for nothing. I did well and qualify for most/all of the jobs I would like.
I go to MEPS next week, full hype.

Infantry here I come.

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I'm about to be 25 thinking about joining. I was interested in Master At Arms in the Navy because I think it would be cool to be ship security and to be anti-boarding parties(i know it's ludicrous to imagine) but that's interesting to me.

Why does everyone shit on it? What other positions are there for that sort of thing. Who provides security for navy ships anyways?

Also, what positions give you the MOST time onboard a ship and can you choose which types? Destroyers look p cool to more, morese than carriers.

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When should I contract a recruiter if I'm interested in Navy OCS after college? Does anyone know what my chances will be for an aviation contract if I have a 3.5 GPA in a STEM major with good extracurriculars, but also need a waiver for PRK? I heard that the Navy was upsizing its need for pilots with the roll out of the F-35.

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>>32357661
>ship security
Thats not how it works. People on watch are ship security.
>anti boarding
Not how it works either. Anyone can volunteer to be on VBSS team.
>MA
>shit on it
Cause it sucks ass. Terrible advancement, no bonuses, boring job, youre the bad guy stopping everyones fun basically.
Just trust me you dont want to be standing at a gate checking IDs for 8 hours a day for 4 years.

>what positions give you the MOST time onboard a ship
OS
Heavy sea rotation rate. Being on a cruiser or a destroyer is an OSs bread and butter.

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>>32357785
Forgot to mention I'm a Sophomore. Basically, I'm wondering if now is too early.

>>32349324
>i got a practice asvab score in the recruiters of 58 is that good?

That's a shitty score. The recuiter told me a guy before me got like a 29 the practice test, so 58 isn't bad. But it's not good either. You should at least be shooting for an 80 to be competitive. Practice tests are a little harder because they're designed to get you in the zone, but if your practice score is 58 you probably won't get higher than 65 on the real test. Start studying. Focus on the math. Don't expect to remember everything so find things you will remember. Memorize math formulas. Most of the problems are easy if you know the formulas.

I got a question
What is the rule of tobacco usage in the Marines? I understand smoking is probably banned, but what about the various mouth tobaccos? I'm only asking because quitting is going to be a bitch and I'd rather move to dip/snus from smoking, than just quit altogether.

Its probably banned at bootcamp but what about afterwards?

>>32357785
As a senior, maybe junior. You can as a sophomore but only if you want NUPOC. Good chances for all of it, need to do good on ASTB, start studying

>>32358101
Thanks, anon.

lads, im pretty much fucking blind (-4 in each eye)

I can still enlist in the Royal Marines right?

Bump for Americas Navy.

>>32357797
not him but
>what positions give you the MOST time onboard a ship
>OS
>wikipedia:
>work in the combat information center (CIC) or combat direction center (CDC), aka: "combat", the tactical nerve center of the ship
>organized collection, processing, display, competent evaluation and rapid dissemination of pertinent tactical combat information to command and control stations, upon which sound tactical decisions may be made
so basically you have to be high-performing for longer periods of time but since we're not at war you im guessing they just stress about the nearest boat/sub/whale and try to monitor it with 500 different ways even if its 100 miles away
>provide ... a wide range of technical information and assistance related to anti-surface warfare, anti-air warfare, anti-submarine warfare, amphibious warfare, mine warfare, naval gunfire support, search and rescue operations, radar and dead reckoning navigation, overt intelligence gathering and transmittal, and other matters
that says "war" a lot and we're not at war

whats another position

>>32355224
I think former enlisted goes through Officer Development School which is a little shorter.

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>>32353960
same mate, but im going to apply in 5 years time when I'm 24. I want to finish my degree and get at least a year or two's experience in my degree's field before I go off.

But I'm going to run every day and lift well during those 5 years so hopefully I'm in tip top condition by then.

brit here, whats the difference between Rangers and Delta Force?

>>32355224
https://www.airwarriors.com/community/index.php?threads/ocs-survivors-guide-updated-jan-2016.43909/page-2
>>32358156
That's just for direct commission like nurses and doctors and nuke instructors

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Which branch's NCOs are the easiest to emasculate?

I want my boot camp experience to go as easily as possible, so what branch gives me the most power as a recruit in bootcamp?

>>32358415
If you have that attitude don't enlist. Basic training instructors are all assholes if you fuck with them because they're trying to get you trained in 8-12 weeks.

>>32358399
I was thinking of LDO training.

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I am debating whether or not I should go to school for my degree then enlist, or start into a career(Fire, Police, Paramedic, or Rescue) and THEN enlist. I'm just thinking about how much debt I'll be in after school, and I just saw about 30 emergency vehicles + air support at a big accident by my house.

>>32355420
Maybe you could help me?

>>32358148
>so basically you have to be high-performing for longer periods of time but since we're not at war you im guessing they just stress about the nearest boat/sub/whale and try to monitor it with 500 different ways even if its 100 miles away
100% correct.

Bro we arent at war like you said. No one is doing their war job atm. I was an OS and its a great sea heavy job. You need to tell me what you are looking for before i can blindly recommend you jobs.

>>32358817
Why would you go into debt to get a degree then enlist? Makes no sense.
Enlist and do you 4 than get out and use that sweet Gi Bill to get your degree for free.

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>>32359666
Well Satan, I wanted to get my Bachelors, enlist as a medic, then get out and go to PA school. I'd rather the gov pays for that than my degree.

>>32360179
I didn't think PA school was that long though. And even still you could still enlist first and simply not use your gi bill until you are ready. I'd r commend doing all your schooling at once rather than break it up.

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>>32360384
Yeah that makes sense. On average, it's 26 months. So just over two years.

I've spoken to a couple other former whiskeys and they told me they can either pay for my bachelors, or PA school, but not both. So either way, I'm paying off something.

I just know that I want patient hours before PA school, and what better way than being an active duty medic? I hear they jump for vets, simply because having some real life experience and thousands of patient hours in austere environments is hard to find.

>>32360406
Someone lied to
You about how the 9/11 gi bill works. You get 36 months of education with it. How you use it is completely up to you. So you should be able to use someone of it for both no problem.

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>>32360479
Oh okay. So 36 months. I would have to get my bachelors first, since PA school requires it.

I hear the Army has school debt repayment programs? Are they legit, and will actually help?

Another reason why I was considering getting my BS first, is because SOCM(Special Operations Combat Medic) course, which is required for all Ranger medics, is insanely hard from what I've been told and I'm honestly worried. Having a strong science foundation would help me, I figured.

>>32360543
I honestly don't know how good those repayment programs are but what I do know is that 4 years is a long ass time. A lot can happen in that time. You could break a leg, get a girl pregnant, who knows what else. I say if you're young fit and ready just join now. Plenty of people have made it through before so if they've done it why can't you? Plus while you are in you can use TA to knock out some early and easy classes so maybe you will be able to use the gi bill to pay for everything that way.

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>>32360603
You are right. I should stop pussyfooting around.

Thanks m8, have some art.

>>32360618
No problem you dirty nigger. I'd recommend you get a slight jump on the training perhaps. Try and learn all the bones and muscles or something like that. I'm sure if you do some digging online you can find some stuff recommending some things to brush up on ahead of time.

>>32347139
Do you hate everyone ever yet
>if not
Just wait you will, everyone not in your shop is certifiably retarded, and even half of the people in your shop should have been taken out back and shot as an attempt to improve the quality of humanity for future generations when they were children. Also there's no promotion in 25B so I doubt you'd actually want to be COMMO

how often do pogs get to hit the range and play with rifles?

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>>32360655

>>32357399
Shilling about
>muh highspeed POG shit
>shilling about his job where any fucking soju drinker, vodka chugger, rag-head, or chink can locate your IP based on routing protocols and timestamp
>stupid fucking niggers like you are why they took away your god damn rates

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Not /k/ related, but I thought you should all see this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gml0x5UVBl8

>>32361116
Why did you start cutting onions in my room

>>32358399
Is that guide uploaded anywhere else? I don't have an AW account.

>>32346885
I'm a totally average student with not a whole lot to show for. How fucked am I if I wanna be an army rotary wing aviator

>>32360686

Depends on the unit/mission. Ultra-POG here and I get to shoot about every 2 years.

However, my POG-iness gets me an extra couple hundred bucks a month and some easy promotions, so I just use that money to go shoot on my own.

>>32361748
Make one

are most navy rates 5 years

>>32363312
Last I was aware, most are 4 years except the more technical jobs which usually require 12-24 month extension.

I want to do something comfy but not too boring, should I go SIGINT?

>>32358220
Funding, training, and selection.

When you hear people calling Delta "tier 1" it doesn't speak to their level of effectiveness, but their level of funding. The HRT is tier 1, but nobody puts them in the same league as Delta(HRT are still badasses). Delta recieve extremely high level training by the cadre in the "operator training course" and throughout their stint in the Unit by their colleagues and experts in any field that Delta wants to know more about(if they want to learn Kung Fu, they will hire the worlds #1 Kung Fu master). Every single member is an expert in their field. Even the cooks would be considered five star chefs in civilian terms. But what makes Delta Delta is the selection. They wouldn't give all of this to just any schmuck off the street, 99% of Delta is former Rangers or Special Forces. These guys are some of the best America has to offer, and the attrition rate for selection still hovers at around 95% of all candidates. Since you're a Brit, the most 1:1 comparison would be the SAS

The Rangers were once just really well trained and equipped infantry that would occasionally do spooky shit that bridges the gap between infantry and Special Forces, but they would more often than not just pull security for Delta, SEALs, DEVGRU, SF and the like(think black hawk down). Around 2000 however, they started bridging the gap between themselves and Delta. They don't have quite the "unlimited budget" of Delta, but close. They fire as many rounds as a unit three or four times their size, and are constantly training to do spooky shit and being sent to the most kick-ass schools in the military. They've gotten better at their old job, and have added raiding and more advanced counter terror ops to their job description. Rangers aren't given gear that's older than they are, they're given top of the line equipment

>>32363842
Aside from the SAS and maybe Spetznaz, are there any other units in the world that work similarly to how you described Delta?

>>32363952
Because of how their budget works, they are some pretty unique units. There are many that have similar skills, training and selection, but none of them have the same expensive equipment, support vehicles or cutting edge technology that would give them the ability to properly utilize their attributes to the same effect

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>>32358415
Air Force

If you play your cards right, you could likely make an Aircuck sergeant cry within the first 3 weeks of you being there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/2b1t38/i_was_an_mti_from_20092014_amid_the_entire/

Is having a mediocre score on the asvab bad? I have a 59 currently and was told to study up and take it again to get it higher, should I or were they just taking the piss at me?

>>32364523
Once you've qualified for a job no one will ever care again.

>>32364523
They suggested that so you could qualify for more jobs. Not just for shits and giggles. What branch and job you trying to get?

>>32364523
Lucky you, I wasn't happy with my score (67) and wanted to retake it, but they made me think it was amazing just to sign me up asap. Sure I didn't miss out on any jobs (at least that I wanted), but I would have liked to been more competitive.

>>32355420
If you go 68W and have your NREMT-P you can pick up E-4 under ACASP right off the bat. IMO go guard/reserve and school, then apply for the DOD PA program, it's 2 years and you can get released to active at the end of the pipe, My brother-in-law is doing this currently, wrapping up his clinical at Benning, going from guard to active.

Or if you want to do high speed shit then get an option 4/40 contract or drop a 160th app during AIT or try to get a duty station with SF support, all lead to SOCM

Or go USAF Fire and get out and do some overseas oil contracting and make six figures

Or if you're a stud go PJ

IPAP: http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/ipap/

>>32364550
So I'm stuck with what I have even If I do better? Or am I interpretating you wrong.

>>32364603
I was thinking about becoming a navy corpsman, though I still don't know I'm searching for what I could be good at or enjoy.

>>32364682
It wasn't the recruiter that told me that it was a teacher at my school. Though if I can get my self a good hand through this score I probably won't retake it.

>>32364814
>navy corpsman
Pretty good job. What are your concerns?

>>32364902
Dont really have any to be honest. The job would help me get medical experience. I was planning on going to college while I was in the military for medicine, how hard is it to be military and do college. Can I only have one and not the other.

>>32364814
Oh that explains it, if you honestly think you could do better (more than just a few points) then you should go for it.

>>32365072
>I was in the military for medicine
You mean medical school? Assuming not
While you are in you can use TA to work on your bachelors. When you can use it depends on your command usually and how much free time you have.

>>32365127
Yes having a job in the military and going to medical school on the side, forgive me for being ignorant but whats TA?

>>32358036
Everything is verboten in basic bit once you get to a unit tobacco of all kinds will be one of the items on your very small food pyramid

>>32363842
cheers mate, nice write up.

>>32365474
Thanks bud,
4 months without tobacco is going to kill me though.

How do I play it when I talk to a recruiter? I have a meeting with a national Guard dude in a few days.

>>32365341
Tuition Assistance. Program that pays for you to take classes.
And wtf, dude how could you possible be in the miltiary and take medical school on the side. Isnt medical like a full time super difficult commitment? I dont think that shit is part time bro.

>>32365717
I know that's why I was kinda confused, I was told I could totally do it by a recruiter. It's not what I want to do with my life honestly I could go to college for anything as long as It gets me a job that I can be successful in, my happiness dosent matter much but ill take it into account somewhat.

>>32365692
Don't let him talk to you into bullshit. Go in there being firm, but not a dick.

Do you know what you want to do?

>>32365900
Just get a good job, save up money and have something I can do with my life.

>>32365996
I mean, job wise. Like what MOS you want.

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Why does Air Force enlisted call other Air Force enlisted "sir"?

>>32366505
Depends on the situation but it's usually a respect thing, I think it stems from when the USAF was a very technical and professional 'gentleman's branch'. Just think about being in the shop or on a flight line and regurgitating everyone's 10-syllable rank every 5 seconds.

>>32366571
>it be duh respek
Sure, Jamal.

Fun fact, airfag regulation even specify not to call enlisted personnel "sir". AFI 36-2618

They are supposed to follow the same rules as the rest of the branches, but in typical airfuck style they just "do whatever" while dancing like a fairy. The only airfucks who seem to carry themselves in a respectable manner are the 11FXs, the rest are just their fluffers.

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>>32366605
Found the assmad 03xx.

>>32347116
Are you from great lakes?

>>32363740
Bump

Going on HBL from fort Huachuca. On the plane right now.

Am I allowed to drink in OCPs? I'm a nervous flyer and just want to calm the nerves with a Heineken.

>>32366693
You aren't a pilot, butterball.

>>32360618
What is pic of?
Am history lover but don't recognize uniform.

I'm 5'9 145lbs but don't have a lot of muscle, should I lose weight before basic?

>>32366994
Couldn't tell ya, sorry lad

>>32367004
DON'T LOOSE WEIGHT.
You're like 35 pounds under your max and you'll want that mass to build some muscle.

Im thinking about joining the Muhreens but dont know what MOS I wanna shoot for.

Want to become air marshal or detective post-service.

What do?

Also general advice for someone who wants to join Muh Few and Muh Proud.

>>32367028
Oh cool. I thought about cutting three months or so before basic but I guess I won't have to.
Won't it make it harder for cardio though?

>>32367047
You'll get better at cardio from doing it. Start running, don't cut.

>>32367062
Ok
Last question, I'm currently really shit at cardio because I have very low endurance, I go running twice per week. Will I be fine if I start basic training in three months or is that not enough time to catch up?

>>32367078
I just finished basic a month ago. I couldn't run a mile when I started, but they get you through it. I finished a decent runner an am still improving.

That said, run. Every other day. Push-ups and sit-ups on the off days. Do as much as you can now, it will help, you'll be glad you did.

>>32367114
Alright, thanks man.

>>32367114
How are your pullups?

>>32363842
What about SAD SOG? Are they more or less the same?

>>32367121
Bad.

I have poland syndrome and it fucks my pull ups.

>>32366939
Anyone know anything about drinking in OCPs?

>>32367045
Look up Criminal Investigation Division, every branch has a CID

>>32367262
Literally the first result on google, fucking retard.

https://www.army.mil/article/146268/Revised_uniform_policy_changes_rules_for_tattoos__wear_of_combat_uniform

>>32367369
Hey, thanks anon.

>>32357418
Linguistics has never been one of my strengths.
Intelligence Specialist seems interesting and up my alley, something I'd like to do. Is IS a good rate?

>>32367210
Not really. SOG does the REALLY spooky shit. If the US needed someone kidnapped, assassinated or interrogated in the field, they'd have a SOG agent do it(that's not what they're usually doing though, it's more often than not legal but highly sensitive work). SOG frequently uses teams of Delta or DEVGRU as support, but are most often found alone, doing whatever secret squirrel op they're needed for. If James Bond was American, he'd be a SOG agent

>>32350771
Scouts on the warpath, scouts on the hill

19D trainee in Black phase here. Ask away.

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Is it true that to be a Cryptologic Linguist for the air force, you have to sign a 6-year contract? Also, are there any other jobs that send you to DLI? I got a 99 on every section of the ASVAB, and my recruiter said that if I scored well enough on the DLAB, he'd let me wait around in DEP for a crypto linguist position. He said the same thing for the EDPT, although I didn't ask what jobs that was for.

I would be tempted by the 6-year linguist contract if I could guarantee that I got Mandarin, but I'd probably end up getting stuck with Urdu or something equally shitty. I can't imagine going to school for Urdu for a year and then using it for another 5.

>>32366024
I have no Idea.

>>32368368
Have you told anyone you're just like infantry yet?

>>32347063
Being nuts doesn't get better so the military prefers not to enlist delicate people. They have enough problems with the mentally healthy.

I wouldn't expect any shit, but I advise not fucking enlisting if you need mental health care. Find a trade instead.

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Former USMC grunt, combat vet here. Leaving for Paris 3 weeks from today to attempt to join the French Foreign Legion. I've been preparing for it since July. I taught myself a fair amount of French and gotten myself back into peak physical shape. Can't fucking wait.

>>32368640
EDPT is mostly programming jobs and 9S1. You can't get a language guaranteed, you get it assigned around BMT. Even the reclass guys only get a choice of top three. Contract is six years because it could take over two to train you up. Only other career fields to send you to DLI during initial training is going to be SOF.

>>32349810
Stop wanting that job. Top Secret involves background checks.

The best thing about the military is the career and benefits, NOT some specific job. There are many ways to serve as the saying goes. Choose wisely, without emotion.

>>32349830
Go active duty. You can retire sooner. If you really want Reserve later you can plot and scheme to get what you want.

>>32349956
Then man up and choose another job. You are doing this for the money and benefits, not "satisfaction" which last I looked doesn't pay any bills. Stop being sensitive. Be smart instead.

>>32368792
You should have a great shot having military background, good luck. If you hate it, beat feet after you get your kepi.

http://www.vice.com/read/i-tried-joining-the-french-foreign-legion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/12/16/how-the-mysterious-lure-of-the-french-foreign-legion-keeps-drawing-americans/?utm_term=.c72ce555e5af

>>32349830

go to a different recruiting station or wait for the slots to open back up.

or just go infantry like a man.

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>>32346885
fort Jackson bct guy here anybody else here?

>>32351533
Ramstein, and USAFE, are fucking insanely wonderful. I did two years down the road at Sembach but couldn't extend because everyone else extended too.

Many Airmen stay in Germany for a good part of their careers. Get a civilian passport ASAP if you don't already have one.

Don't be a dorm rat. Germans are cool and Oktoberfest makes Mardi Gras a sad joke by comparison.

>>32354674
IYAAYAS.

Take advantage of CCAF and get dat schooling in.

>>32358817
Enlist. Serve. Retire. Never have to work again unless you want to or planned terribly. Think CAREER even if you separate before 20. Retirement at a young age is insanely nice.

Debt? What's that? I haven't felt a Recession since 1981 when I enlisted. Don't go in debt, have your shit together, enjoy life.

Most civilians have to (barf) work until at least their fifties. Screw that.

>>32360179
Talk to military PAs. You have a lot of medical career field options.

>>32368846

>You should have a great shot having military background

That's what I'm hoping man. I've heard that prior service can be both a blessing or a curse when it comes to selection. I'm just gonna go there with as much french proficiency and in the best shape possible and convince them that there's nothing I want more than to become a Legionnaire.

>If you hate it, beat feet after you get your kepi.

I have more honor than that. One thing that I learned from my service in the USMC is that your enlistment is what you make of it. If I end up hating it, I have no one but myself to blame. Regardless, I would never desert. I've already committed to it for the long haul in my head. I'm not doing this on a whim.

>>32368949
Well, if you enlist now you can get that sweet deal, anyone going in after 2017 is going to be under the new mode. Can't touch it until you're 60.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/benefits/retirement/2015/11/23/reiterment-changes-choices/76049640/

>>32368962
Very true. Will do.

>>32368949
That makes sense.

>>32368800
>Only other career fields to send you to DLI during initial training is going to be SOF.

The Air Force probably doesn't have any SOF groups that would send people to DLI, right? I get the impression that CCT/TACP don't work with locals like some groups in the Army might.

>>32369000
That new retirement plan just made enlisting a waste of time unless you are desperate. It means your absence from the civilian world has no useful compensation until you are so old your effective life is over.

The only way around some of that is disability pay, which most retirees end up with to some degree.

I will now cease recommending the military as a career except for doomed losers with no other choice.

Either sign ze papers now or go work at Walmart. Most G.I.s are worn out by retirement, and competing with young civilians in an ageist workforce will be no fun.

>>32368792

>throwing away your experience to go be a bullet sponge in an african shithole for a country that doesn't give a fuck about you.

Why the fuck would you want to do that? Why not just re-enlist in the muhreens where you have already built up some standing? The US military a has better funding and training anyway. From a career perspective, there's literally nothing to be gained by throwing away 5 years of your life in the FFL.

>>32369168
CCT/TACP/SOWT are organized under special tactics squadrons, but more often than not they're lent out to regional SOCOM operations, mostly SF teams, so it's nice to have a pool of guys with those cultural skills. If they're assigned to a unit with a CAA mission there's an even higher chance they'll go.

http://www.afsoc.af.mil/Units/AirForceSpecialOperationsAirWarfareCenter/USAFSOS/AboutLanguageCtr.aspx

>>32369247

>Why the fuck would you want to do that?

For the pure adventure and challenge of it. It's like hitting the reset button and starting over at a higher difficulty because this time you have to learn a new language on the fly while doing everything else. Life is short, we all have different ways of finding satisfaction. I agree that there are more opportunities for training and advancement and benefits and a real social life and freedom and to have a family and so on in the US, but some people just want something different and want a completely new experience outside of the USA and the Legion is one of the very few chances for the average American, vet or not, outside of joining the Kurds in Syria(which is my backup plan if the FFL rejects me). Bear in mind that adventures don't always have to be fun and full of firefights, beer, tits and so on... the best adventures suck and are only rosy in retrospect.

>throwing away your experience to go be a bullet sponge in an african shithole

It's a primitive, basic instinct in some men to go to war and to prove to himself that he has the skill to be a conqueror and to kill his enemies. All I want is the opportunity to be a "bullet sponge" again. The regular infantryman in the US military are likely going to be far from combat in the coming years, whereas the legion is always deploying to fight a shithole.

>for a country that doesn't give a fuck about you.

What makes you think the US government gives a fuck about its servicemembers? Have you even served? Because if you had I doubt you would think as much. At least the FFL is open and honest about not giving a fuck about you.

>From a career perspective, there's literally nothing to be gained by throwing away 5 years of your life in the FFL.

I don't really care about my "career". I don't think in such terms. It's true that most people join the military looking for experience, but people like myself are looking for experiences. Big difference.

>Tfw can't enlist because I have ulcerative colitis
Feels bad man

>>32349968
I had a buddy get a 34 met a dude last night who said he got a 31

>>32367817
What about MARSOC?
Where do they fit in?
What about SEALs other than DEVGRU?

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>>32369695
Make a new thread or search the countless sources on the internet, a bit off topic there m8.

>>32369695
MARSOC is weird so I'll explain that one. Just look up the SEALs, Wikipedia explains it as there's not really an "inside story" with them as there is with some of the lesser well known units.

MARSOC is an extremely new group, pulling mostly from RECON groups and combat arms MOS's. Being new, they don't really have a clearly defined mission statement. One day they could pull an op like Delta or DEVGRU, the next a SF "recruit the locals" type or they could be sent out like regular infantrymen but with beards

>>32370173
So roughly
Rangers = Regular Seal Teams = RECON
Delta = DEVGRU = MARSOC?

>>32370173
They've been around for over a decade now bud, and are pretty well established as far as organization, they can head a JSOTF like everyone else. Come peacetime I imagine they'll be doing some work with MSG, maybe like Red Cell.

>MARSOC has been directed to conduct foreign internal defense, special reconnaissance, and direct action.

>>32370216
Roughly. They all have different missions.

>>32370216
Not really a fan of ranking, because many units have different jobs, but since there's rough equivalents in each branch...

SF<CIA SOG would be mostly seperate

Delta=DEVGRU>MARSOC>Ranger=SEALs>RECON>everybody else

If you have more questions, make a thread, and link it so myself and others interested don't have to root around the catalog

>>32367045
Talk to a recruiter, take the asvab and go to meps, then look at job options.

Before meps I wanted Air Crew but I failed the depth perception test so I was disqualified for that specific job.

I've got a service Academy question.

I'm active duty Air Force, and will most likely be attending the Air Force Academy in 2018. That is, unless I can go to the Naval Academy instead. Would any of you happen to know if there is any way for AD of one branch to go to the academy of another branch?

I'll probably contact a liaison officer tomorrow but just curious for now

>>32370587

yeah it's definitely possible if your age 24 or younger at the end of your current contract. I was in the Marines and a guy I served with finished his contract and went to the AF academy afterwards. I forget the name but there is a specific name for a program for prior enlisted who want to go to a service academy.

>>32370630

you're*

>>32370587

>>32370630
Is right, you'd have to be at the end of your contract. Academies don't reserve spots for members among other branches, they want someone committed to their branch already.

https://www.usna.edu/Admissions/Steps-for-Admission/Active-Duty-Service-Applicants.php

>>32370656
>>32370630
That's too bad, I'm not looking to finish my enlistment with the AF. I already feel behind enough as it is.

>>32368800
Most SOF doesn't go to DLI

>>32370768
PROTIP: SOF isn't limited to trigger pullers.

Also, we'll see more and more going there in the coming years, if anything for more regional SMEs.

http://www.dliflc.edu/air-force-special-operations-school-commandant-learns-about-dliflc/

>>32369213
Is it really that bad? I'm not too well versed in stuff like this so I'd like to know the exact difference.

I made a 97 on the ASVAB, and my AF recruiter keeps bugging me about going back to take the DLAB and EDPT. On top of the fact that it's pretty much a whole-day affair getting to MEPS and taking the tests, I'm going to feel like a huge idiot if my recruiter drives me all the way there and I don't even pass.

So I'm wondering, are the careers that those tests require even worth pursuing? All I've heard about linguist is that the school is hard as fuck and most people flunk out, programmer seems like it would be boring (although I don't know for sure as I've never done that kind of work), and I have no idea what a 9S100 does as there doesn't seem to be much information about the field floating around.

>>32371346
Well linguists go to Monterrey, California for DLI, and it's probably one of the best places to get stationed in the U.S. As for the job idk I'm at Sheppard with all the maintainers so I don't know anything about anything else. I'll say this though, I got a 99 on the ASVAB and hate myself for going mechanical. Do not go mechanical if you can't handle stupid people

>>32371346
>>32371387
How the fuck did you guys get 90's ? Did I just not study hard enough, C'mon tell me your secrets.

>>32371525
I didn't study so I don't know what to tell you. The Red Bull and Milky Way I had beforehand helped though

>>32371525
My 98 was literally just me being familiar with basic math concepts, resistors, and wrenches. I don't recall there being anything traditionally difficult, a couple math patterns maybe, but nothing I couldn't derive in a couple seconds.

The guy who got an 18 on it in my class asked me a similar question, and I could only tell him it's just what I know and am good at.

>>32371194
It's basically a regular retirement plan now, you put a portion of your check away and the gov contributes to an account that you can access when you're of retirement age.

This is great for people that do less than 20 years, people that only did 4-8 years kind of got screwed before. If you're doing the whole career thing, no more late 30s/early 40s retired folk, which is the downside because you have to go back to the civilian workforce, and without applicable skills/education and no gov contracting you'll be in for a hard time.

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>>32371525

my secret: I got shitfaced the night before and took the test on 4 hours of sleep while still mildly drunk.

I didn't really care because all I wanted was infantry anyway, but I certainly wasn't expecting to do as good as I did.

>>32371346

Go infantry

>>32371525
Got a 97 in high school when everything was fresh in my brain.

Didn't enlist until a few years later and got a 68. feelsbadman.jpg

>>32371635

I fucked around and partied my ass off not learning shit, went in 5 years after doing a single lick of math hungover as hell and still scored a 95.

ASVAB questions are mouthbreather tier.

>>32369213

Is the new plan being forced upon all new recruits? I'm currently in and they're letting us choose between the new or the old.

>>32371572
I'll try it out next time.

>>32371590
I get the math, it's that I studied for a medical part and they gave me fucking electronics and auto.

>>32371607
>>32371635
Good on yall, guess I have to stop being a procrastinating pussy and study till me eyes bleed.

>>32371602
Thanks I get it now.

>>32371698
You can still choose which plan you want, starting in 2018 is when it'll be forced.

>>32371716

O dat sux for the new guys, haha.

New plan still has 20 year paycheck though, it's just reduced to less than 50 percent I thought?

>>32371692
I scored a near perfect in the word knowledge, paragraph comprehension and general science but I'm retarded when it comes to arithmetic reasoning and math how can I get better.

>>32371734
If they didn't want to dedicate 20 years or so it's not gonna suck, they get what they put into it.

>>32371736

I dunno kys and hope you're born with a better brain next time.

I have a hard time doing basic math functions I'm completely retarded and still killed the ASVAB math. It felt like the movie idiocracy.

>>32371704
Not one of those people but I'm gonna be honest with you, you did bad cause you are stupid. Sorry but that's the truth. I walked in never having even heard of it and got a 95 cold. If you did bad it's cause your dumb. In the 4 years I was in I never met a smart person who scored low or a dumb person who scored high.

5 years until I even get a pilot slot, god fucking damnit

>>32371764
>>32371805
I didn't do bad just above average, I could go Into any branch. I'm just trying to find whats right for me honestly I think I can get by with a 59.

>>32370341
Rangers are really on part with SEALs?
At what?
Most Rangers don't even go to the MFF School and I don't think any at all go to combat dive school.
They are way less versatile.

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>>32369781

I worked in Kodiak, Alaska for a ground construction contractor for a while and one of the worksites we worked was at that SEAL detachment base in Kodiak. Every time we entered we had a full body pat down and had to leave any cellphones, cameras, or any sort of audio/video recording devices at the front gate. Built some really cool stuff there. It was also by the far the best paying job site. I was making $58/hour as an unskilled laborer at that site.

>>32371057
Protip: read articles that you link in case they say the exact opposite of what you are claiming in your post.

Most SOF do not go to DLI.

>>32372281
Dli here. There are only a few SOF personnel here. All the Marines here are sigint, navy is sigint, army is humint and sigint and chairforce is sigint.

Lotta spies, few operators.

>>32371692
This I got my GED and got a 99

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>>32361921

>>32368640
Military won't guarantee you shit. I got high 99 but not perfect and they gave me Farsi when I wanted Arabic or Spanish

>>32371057
They're not really SOF if they're supporting SOF. Is a fucking yeoman at a seal team a special operator?

I fucking hate losers who ride the coat tails of others. I catch myself doing it and get sick sometimes.

>>32347123
Don't do it.

So much talk about Special Operations, but 99% just wouldn't make it

>>32373150
>wouldn't make it
Why?

>>32373263
anyone on 4chan is not SOF material

Corpsman of 3 yrs.
How do I get honorably discharged?

>>32373283
What makes you say that?

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It's 4:10 AM. About to go to MEPS for the second time because I had too much wax last time. I've already showered and my roommate is in the shower. Feeling pretty comfy.

>>32373430
best one of those pics ive seen

Guys, I need your help.

I'm trying to flee this damned communist country and the US military seems like the best way to get into the US.

How does a French person that speaks 4 languages get to join the US Army?

>>32369213
New retirement plan still lets you draw a pension in your 30s. A lot of people are grossly uninformed about how it works.

It's a much better plan for most people since most don't do 20 years.

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>>32371525
Basically just stop being retarded.

Why would you have to study for middle school tier math?

>>32372387
Crew Chief? Pretty easy. Pilot? A little bit more competitive, the process itself weeds out most hopefuls, but if you make it your mission and get a good packet in you can make it happen.

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/woft.shtml

So in your opinion whats the best branch for people who want to get a college education and be useful? I was told the military offers some of the best education in the world.

>>32374066
Why not join the French army?
That's what I'm doing.
You can't enlist in the US military if you're not a permanent resident, or (I think) haven't lived in the US for more than two years.

>>32374331
USAF has its own community college, you can get college credits in every branch for the longer job schools, only language school will net you a degree though. Otherwise I'd say do guard/reserve/ROTC if college is your priority but want to serve. If your job's pacing allows you to attend college on active duty, you're probably going to hate it.

The 'best education' he refers to is the academies/DoD med school/war colleges, which are all probably out of your reach at this point in time.

>>32374137
Even if this were true the problem is you don't get a choice.

>>32374333
To be quite honest, I want to move away from France and live in the US. I have too many bad memories and family members Id like to leave behind.

Hopeful fag here how hard do you think It would be to get into A good USUHS or HPSP program?

>>32374442
Alright so what can I do to put them in my reach? I don't mind working hard and being patient.

Anyone on here go from the Marine Corps to the Air Force? I'll be finishing up my 5 year contract here in a year and a half, working intel, and want to have a more stable life for my wife, with my kid on the way. How much different is the lifestyle/culture? I know all the memes, but real talk, how is it?

>>32374456
USUHS is hyper-competitive with an average MCAT of 509 and GPA of 3.6 in all subjects. HPSP/FAP is pretty easy to get in the sense that you just need to be accepted into a med program already. IMO do the latter unless you want to go career, you could easily rack up a 10 year service commitment through USUHS, the academy grads that go there are definitely in it for the long hall.

>>32374464
Take a look at the service academies for a start, you can get nominated to attend while enlisted, or attend a preparatory academy to get your academics together. You literally need to be a field grade officer to attend war college, and need a stellar performance as an undergrad for the med programs, so you're looking at 4-15 years to get to those.

Go to MEPS tomorrow, know any shit that'll help me?

>>32374443
Of course you don't, the point is to save the government money.

>>32374331
Just enlist in something you're interested in, then after you're out get paid $50k/yr to go to Berkeley or equivalent for free.

>>32374684
Alright so enlist, don't do bad go to a prep for a few years and then ask to be transfered after awhile sounds like a plan.

>>32374828
Is that the after 4 years thing. Work for the military four years then go to college? I'd like to do both serve while getting an education but I know nothing about that.

>>32374726
prepare your anus.

>>32374977
You aren't going to be able to do them simultaneously unless you go to online school.

>>32373283

Dude I got back from working some SEALs on a GN not too long ago and had some good laughs about memes on 4chan with a group of them.

SOF types aren't about interests and hobbies. Every SEAL or whatever isn't just a Chad Thundercock who likes football fucking birches and stomping nerds. There's autismos, nerds, jocks, faggots, and all types of dudes in SOF. What defines them is an inability to fathom the concept of quitting. Sure, 99 percent of the kids in these threads asking about SOF aren't gonna make it, but not because they're on 4chan. Moreso because when someone is asking, "Do I have what it takes?" it already means they don't. SOF types don't doubt themselves and instead of asking if they'd make it or how to get ready, they ask what they need to do to get in.

I met a SEAL who couldn't pass the underwater swim across the pool because he didn't know the technique and on his final attempt said fuck it, dove straight to the bottom and crawled/walked along the bottom. They're unstoppable.

>>32375737
>what they need to do to get in.
Isn't that the same thing?
I get what you mean, but asking what you need to do to get in is the same as asking how to get ready

>>32375166
Alright serve then college, is it possible to go back to service in the military just for your education after you have it?

>>32375932

I mean as in what they need to ask for at the recruiting office and whatnot. Not as in, "I can do 10 pushups can I still be a SEAL?"

>>32374726
Practice the duck walk

>>32375967
You're making it sound as if wanting it is the only thing that matters, which is misleading because in order to make it in SOF you have to prepare for it as well, not just waltz into a recruiting office.

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This seems like the place to ask, so I'll go ahead.

I have decided I would like to take a swing at being a USAF pilot. I graduated hs 2 and a half years ago and since I wasn't terribly enthusiastic about going to college afterwards, I had a shitty GPA (2.556) and did nothing to prepare for the SATs (630 math, 670 reading).

What schools should I be applying to?

>>32376606
Any with a small AFROTC detachment will be less competitive, any senior military college if you want a cadet experience that will help with branch selection, or a junior military academy that has an academy prep program. You might be better off enlisting and getting your degree, then applying for OCS, or going to a community college for a year to get that GPA up to transfer somewhere nice.

or enlist because muh drones

http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/996754/first-two-enlisted-pilots-complete-solo-flights.aspx

>>32373132
why not?

>>32376085
i think the gist is that those who will make it can and will find all the necessary info themselves.

>>32376085
Obviously fucknuts. That's just not what he was talking about

>>32349810
Not that guy, but there's no rhyme or reason to this shit.

Sometimes people lie when they enlist and they get caught during the security clearance screening.

Sometimes people lie when they enlist and they don't get caught during the security clearance screening.

Sometimes people don't lie when they enlist (IE get a waiver, very rarely granted and highly dependent on the branch you want to join) and they get denied as security clearance just because they have the condition.

Sometimes people lie when they enlist and they get caught during the security clearance screening but gut the clearance anyway.

Basically it really boils down to your individual case, what you did, what you didn't do, and how anal the people evaluating you are. Your profile as a whole plays a big role in this. If a candidate did some shady shit back in the day, the people in charge are going to be a lot more lenient with a family man who goes to church every sunday then with an incel single man who chronically masturbates to hentai when not on duty.

Also, be advised that if you meet a profile for a job that requires a TS clearance, the powers that be may begin the TS clearance process even if you've enlisted for a job that doesn't require a security clearance.

I've also heard that lying to MEPs and downplaying your issues on security clearance forms is the golden compromise, but I only have personal experience with people who either lied to MEPs but were honest with SC people and passed and people who lied to MEPs then got dishonorably discharged after their fraudulent enlistment came to light after an unplanned TS clearance investigation. I can’t personally vouch for how effective this approach is.

P.S. Just like with MEPs, if you decide to be honest on an official form of any kind, NEVER volunteer more information than is asked for. If a form asks for shady shit you’ve done in the last 5 years, leave it blank if whatever happened was over 5 years ago, and so on.

Out of curiosity, is sofrep a good or shit website?

https://sofrep.com/8833/a-day-in-the-life-usaf-pararescue-indoctrination-course/

They've got one of the only articles on Pararescue training itself that I can find, but it's behind a subscription paywall. Looking at the site as a whole I kind of suspect it's tryhard shit for gullible rednecks, but you never know. If the information is solid I might give it a shot.

Anyone here know anything about a finance job in the air force?

I got offered a 6F0X1 Financial Management and Comptroller.

The job I wanted got taken by someone with prior service the day I was cleared by meps to enlist. Which was Cyber Systems Operations.

Now my options are Financial Management, Aerospace Propulsion, Air Trans (no thanks), a glorified bus driver, fuels and Hydraulics.

The only upside I see to aerospace propulsion is the sign on bonus. The down side is working on C-5 engines in Assachusetts when its fucking cold out, or hot as balls out. And the fact that I'm not sold on being maintenance.

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>>32378608
Don't pay for anything. There s plenty of free info out there. The seal has an official one on there site. If it's good enough for the seals it's good enough for usaf stuff. Plus you can find sf ones online as well. Don't waste money.
>>32378150
100%. People
Do the checks. If they're feeling lazy vs try hard will determine how smoothly it goes.

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>>32378608
Don't bother with that mess.

http://specialtactics.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/

http://www.shadowspear.com/vb/forums/us-air-force-special-operations.11/

>>32352381
What do you want to know?

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>>32378981
Are you going reserve? IMO maintenance is the way to go in the reserve, it can lead to a full time ART position down the line, and the people around here sometimes get a few extra drill days.

Most people dislike finance unless they are totally fine with a typical office job, spreadsheets on spreadsheets.

>>32357510
>did well and qualify for most/all of the jobs I would like.
>I go to MEPS next week, full hype.
>Infantry here I come
You dumb fuck.

Any good physical work in the Navy?

>>32363740
Yes

>>32379171
I am going reserve.

I'm not happy with my options I have and I want to have the least shitty one. I never really liked mechanical jobs I just happen to qualify for them and I was decent at them. I never really worked a true office job, I like sitting in an office by my self with few people bugging me. Which is why I wanted to get on the path to be a network admin.

So my plan is to take a job now, so i can have dank bennies. Then retrain or use my GI Bill to go get a degree and certs to be a net admin.

>>32378608
The articles are great, and are written by geniune former SOF, so they have an inside track, and won't be bulshitting you like the government might. But don't pay for them, imo it's not worth it. Paying for it is where the "tryhard redneck" of the website lies. Be sure to pay attention to how current they are though

>>32379218
Loads. Assuming you don't mean seal stuff more like physical labor.

test

>>32368640
Why don't you go army?
>better bonuses
>better promotions (potentially)
>better starting pay (e-4 with bachelors, e-3 with associates)
>you may never have to use that shitty language they taught you
>and if that's the case, you might get to shoot things.
Also, you can get a 5 year linguist contract in the army, and probably still get a higher bonus than the AF would give you.

>>32363842
>tfw you will never be in delta

>>32371698
TAKE THE OLD if you plan on doing twenty. You'd be insane not to. Why? Do twenty minimum, or chill a few years longer for the pay bumps. Do it right and you'll never have to work again!

The pay tables hold your answer. Also by retirement age you will likely have some compensible disability due to normal wear and tear.

Remember, retirement plans only change to save Uncle Sam money while trying to maintain the force. If they could go back to 1960s pay rates they would.

If I'd come in a few months earlier I'd be high 1 instead of high 3, which is what they are getting rid of. You want the old plan. Ask any retiree how the math shakes out.

The government nibbles at veterans benefits in many and subtle ways unknown to those on active duty. They don't pay you because they love you or think you are heroic, and your pay competes with the rest of the militay budget though they should be separate.

A beyoootiful thing happens when you hit retirement. If you planned wisely all your shit's paid off and you are free. You get to do what ever the fuck you want with the last ~half or third of your life.

When you have a shitty day, look at dat retirement pay table then get your ass back to work.

>>32380834

This sounds like a good idea until you get forced out at 15 years with no pension and no TSP match like the new plan has.

>>32374066
You should go for the Air Force first and leave Army as a last resort. In the US recruiting stations typically house all services. The applicants with scores too low for the Air Force typically get referred down the hall to the other services. Everyone is happy. My recruiter told me this when I enlisted, and years later my peers who became recruiters confirmed it's standard since forever.

I served with plenty of expats. If I were you I would contact the US Embassy in person (not by phone, showing up shows determination) to see what they might do for you.

"The Air Force is currently recruiting certain legal, non-citizens into active duty who possess critical language and cultural skills in one of seven strategic languages."

https://www.airforce.com/how-to-join/prepare-for-success/meet-requirements

If you are interested in ground combat you could visit the Embassy and ask to speak to a Marine guard about enlisting. Marines, all jokes aside, are generally a good bunch who appreciate dedication.

I also suggest showing up looking your best and somewhat military. First impressions and all that.

If no joy, the Foreign Legion seems ideal for your goals.

>>32374331
Air Force. Preferably a medical specialty.

>>32374671
Real talk is Air Force is corporate, comfy and (depending on your job like anywhere else in the military) can be pretty cool.

Fucking do it. You won't be sorry.

>>32381000

Getting forced out really isn't an issue with my rate (submarine sonar), we're perpetually in demand. Seen a few seabees forced out and whatnot so sucks for them I guess.

I'm probably sticking with the old plan. I'm already dumping into my TSP and hopefully our SRB comes back before it's time to reup in a few years.

>>32374726
Do not go in without guaranteed job choices. ASK here about the specialties you are considering.

Any one know if it's worth it to do ROTC? I'm looking at the navy right now.

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>>32381083

he can just go to get the medical portion out of the way, it's good for like a year

you still have to go back to swear in, but it takes much less time

>>32378150
All true, but best bet if not sure is to pick another job highly unlikely to require an expensive Top Secret investigation.

Never forget, when you leave the military you leave that job and rank behind. OP THINKS he wants a particular job, based most likely on having zero real knowledge of that job.

I've never once paid rent or bought beer with "job satisfaction". It's easier to check history today.

Why risk anything for shit you don't know about? First step to a happy .mil career is adult priorities.

>>32381164
Of course it's worth it

>>32378981
I couldn't hang with working Finance. It's wall to wall welfare queens and I'd have to learn ebonics. I'd hang myself or strangle them or both. It's also a field gradually being outsourced.

If you are technically inclined I recommend maintenance, any I recommend going delayed enlistment to get what you want if necessary.

I would become an heavy engine troop in a heartbeat. I was a fighter engine troop (also comm/nav and crew chief) and enjoyed it but there's one thing about working heavies I didn't think of when I crosstrained. Consider that airlifters have a VERY fucking long life cycle, long enough for a subsequent civilian career on the same airframe as a tech rep, AFET or contractor.

I would also do avionics. That BTW is much more comfortable.

You don't have to live on the flightline. Backshops for engines, avionics etc are on every base. Every technician should try to get time in both.

The brotherhood in maintenance is much stronger than among the "nonners"/sortie watchers/shoe clerks. If you have common sense and an inquisitive mind, you'll do fine.

There are enough maintainers that you can make rank before dying of old age. There are far fewer Finance weenies.

>>32381200
Is it hard to get into if you have just above average scores?

>>32381000
Then ya better have chosen a field that will stay in demand and been good at it. If you don't think you can pull that off, take the lesser plan so you get paid. Whatever works for ya, but I turned down separation payoffs because I kept my eyes on the fucking prize.

A lot of the low speed, slow burner but otherwise decent troops took the money because they knew they were stagnating anyway.

It's not hard to avoid force shaping. I avoided it twice, but you need to have your shit together.

Any 19Ks here? Is it really that bad?

I'm thinking of joining the navy. What with all the shipboard postings, how does the navy handle pets?

>>32382000
They don't handle it at all. If you live in a barracks theirs definitely no pets. Once you get your own place you obviously can do what you want.

>>32382031
I have a pet now, which is why I ask. Unsure what to do then.

>>32382070
What type of pet? And are you really gonna let a dog decide how your life goes? Give it to a family member.

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i wanna be in the shit and get a combat deployment, is marine infantry good for me?

>>32382170
I don't have any family in state. I have a cat I don't want to give up because it'd be a really shitty and hypocritical to do. The whole reason I have her is because the original owners decided a fucking cat was too much work and were going to give her back to the shelter they adopted her from.

>>32382269
Man i get you want to be responsible but thats nuts. Youre gonna let a fucking cat be the lynch pin holding you back from a life changing decision like joining the military.

>>32382243
You probably won't 'cause peacetime. Goin' infantry is closest chance aside from the various special forces though.

>>32382269
If you give up your cat, you aren't giving up your cat because it's "too much work" you're doing it because you have to. Now go make a real decision about your human life and what you plan to do with the 70+ years of your life you have.

>>32379222
How does SIGINT work compare to HUMINT?

Hey, I was considering joining national guard or army reserves.

I'm 18 right now but already did a year of college while in highschool, is there any way I can get a three year contract so when I graduate I can move abroad?

Also how does national guard deal with moving to a different country and study abroad?

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My initial enlistment contract was 4 years plus 2 years due to the job that I had. Weird thing is that my contract said my time started 15 Aug, then six years later it said my time was up 14 Aug. My DD214 has two good conduct medals in it, but am I actually only able to have one?

>>32383374
Did you even bother Googling that? SIGINT has nothing to do with HUMINT...

>>32382243
If I could go back to being in high school, I would have focused on being JTAC.

>>32381360
The Army offered me a 60k bonus to stay in, or an 85k/yr civilian job to get out. Sometimes people get booted out, sometimes it just makes sense to get out.

>>32383644
Isn't there overlap?
HUMINT collects data on the field right?

>>32383748
They are two completely separate disciplines. One has to do with electronic signals, the other has to do with interaction with humans.

>>32383788
Aside from the type of intel they collect, how are the training and missions different?

>>32383634
If I'm reading this right, your end date is 14 Aug correct? That would make sense because 15 Aug separation date would be a year and a day. If it's on your DD214 fuck it, take it.

>>32380800
All you need to get in is the audacity to apply and the willpower to see it through

>>32383623
All contracts are 8 year, but are split up between active and reserve. If you permanently leave the country during the reserve portion of your contract, you are AWOL

>>32384124
>tfw you will never be in Delta because you're not American

>>32384217
Well then all the audacity and willpower in the world can't fix that

>>32383845

SIGINT activities are usually conducted with technology in an office environment. HUMINT requires actually interacting with...humans.

Both require skills in writing reports and giving briefings.

>>32384265
>can never be an operator because born in the wrong country
Is there anything worse?

Is a 110 gt score on the asvab bad or good and also what's the best job I can do where I see the most combat and at the most pay

Signed up to take the ASVAB on one day and go to MEPS the very next day. Is that a bad decision?

>>32384342

110 GT is bare minimum to get access to most stuff. It's not great, but it's enough.

You aren't seeing combat if you join right now unless you go SOF. If you want max money, look at a computer or medical job and get out of the military ASAP.

>>32384404
That's basically what I did. Best decision I ever made.

>>32383929
Seems legit. I was thinking one day of service would be considered, for example 14 Aug to 15 Aug, but they must consider a day of service as each individual day.

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Any air force 9s100's here? I got 99s on all of the ASVAB sections and my recruiter said if i got a qualifying score on the EDPT, he'd let me wait around in DEP for a 9s100 slot to open up. It's hard to find much about what those people actually *do*. I get that it varies massively, but any info would be useful.

I'm also curious what the post-service employment opportunities are like, although I'm sure that also depends on what you end up doing as a 9s100.