P90 militia?

>>32346532
Too add.
Country is super nogun.

>>32346532
Not as standard issue. 5.7 has penetrating power out the ass, but not much in terms of concussive force or effective range compared to most standard rifle rounds.

What sort of country? If the whole place is densely urban(like, idk, Israel or the Vatican or something), then maybe.
If its more open or mountainous, you'd be far better off with a poorfag DMR like a PSL or Vepr.

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>>32346532
no

M4s are pretty much better all around.
Little spoiler.
They weigh the same.

>>32346582
But it's pretty expensive by comparison.

>>32346600
>M4s
>more expensive than P90s

The fuck.

>>32346582
Militiamen dont need jam-o-matics anon

>>32346532
P90 has several liabilities. I wouldn't think that a reasonable militia wouldn't WANT TO adopt it for general use.

-caliber can't shoot through barriers, has difficulty incapacitating humans
-magazine design is slow to change and awkward to carry spares
-if it jams, it can be very slow, sometimes impossible to unjam the gun in the field

>>32346608
Cheap civie ARs don't count.

>>32346600
Nigger what?
.mil price for M4 is about 800, more if you add bells and whistles.
P90 is about 1169 for LEO as per FN.

>>32346631
Pardon me, LEMD not LEO.

>>32346631
It's cheaper because economy of scale not because design.

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>>32346608
P90s are cast and pretty cheaply made. Shit is pretty uggo up close.

>>32346631

Thank you.

>>32346622

Moron.

>>32346532
Take a page out of Jewmarica's book, take existing designs and make your own. That's how we got the Galil, arguably one of the most effective assault rifles to come out of the 20th century.

>>32346532
Why are bullpups giant fucking brick guns? How complicated is the action, Christ.

>>32346622
>What are government bulk purchases

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>>32346644

>>32346644

That's ESPECIALLY what I don't get about it. It's a goddamn blowback gun in a plastic shell and FN sells it for buttrape.

>>32346643
If you want to pull economy of scale you can build ARs for under $500 fuccboi.
Hit up FN and say you want one million P90 and as for a quote, otherwise your point is moot.

>>32346677
>Hit up FN and say you want one million P90
But that is exacly my point.

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>>32346650
>he Galil, arguably one of the most effective assault rifles to come out of the 20th century.

>>32346693
Prove me wrong boii

>>32346650
>t.Alex C
also that reading comprehention

>>32346689
And my point is you have no comparable number for that outcome and are just speculating. Their actual physical pricetag for military dealings is 1169, so that's the number we have to work with.

>>32346650
>arguably one of the most effective assault rifles to come out of the 20th century
I don't necessarily disagree, but define "effective"

>>32346713
>plastic blowback subgun is somehow more difficult to make than overbuilt salt rifle

>>32346734
Keep spouting conjecture champ.

>this entire thread

Daytime, /k/, everybody.

>guise what do you think my favorite niche snowflake that's universally hated by people who use guns
it's shit
>N..NO YOU!!

>>32346722
As far as putting bullets inside circles, it's pretty standard. However, the modification made to the gas piston of the AK improved cycling overall and made the system more reliable. It's even easier to take apart than a standard AK, the parts are made of higher quality material, and tolerances on the parts are very tight. In terms of reliability in the field, there are multiple tests ranging from fine desert dirt to extreme arctic cold, and the galil performed better than most-- if not all-- other firearms involved in the tests.

>>32346532
Op i think your missing the point of a militia. The troops bring their own funs. If anything you simply establish a standard cartridge so that they can all use the same ammo. Pick whatever is most availabe and lightweight in your area.

>>32346815
but>>32346536

>>32346552
This. It is an expensive, niche weapon. Use an AR or AK clone like every other major country. FN would cream themselves at the opportunity to split a country from so much of its cash, though.

>>32346790
The gas system "improvements" on the ace are subjective at best and aren't Jewish anyway. Putting bumps on he piston rod so it doesn't hypothetically rattle around and increase reliability, despite every AK ever being fine without them, is meme tier. Until I see a test that shows otherwise I'll chalk it up to Finnish autism.

>>32346834
>AR or AK
That's my point. Galil is technically an AK variant. I'm saying develop a gun of your own taking aspects from other designs, and make it fitting to your situation. Like Israel.

>>32346532

For pogues and cops? Sure.... but it ain't rifle not should it be used as one. But weapons firing rifle cartridges are generally going to have flatter trajectories and reach out longer than a blowback 5.7mm with that short of a cartridge case.

>>32346622
Old US Army contracts had M4s selling for over a thousand each but the latest contracts (with companies other than Colt) sell the M4s for under $700 each
http://www.guns.com/2013/02/26/fn-lands-army-m4-contract-underbids-colt-remington/

>>32346704
you're so wrong he doesn't have to

>>32346532
just use AK-74M's/GP34, use the 60round casket mags if you must.

>>32347079
but caskets are jam-o-matic

>>32346834
>It is an expensive, niche weapon
1100 isn't expensive
200m engagement isn't niche

shut your fucking hole, dumb shit

>>32347113
not my surefire

both the 60 and the 100.

>>32346532
>hipothetical
Fucking yanks.

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p90s are cast steel and polymer. very cheap to make, very comfortable and shootable

however, my country's national guard would be
5.45 aks. If we could get productiom facilities to make something similar to valmet quality it'd be amazing.

>>32346532
Its a great weapon, especially with AP ammo.

But you would go bankrupt trying to outfit a force of the size with this weapon.

Maybe a more affordable older rifle design would be better?

Any good quality rifle and a force that size (1 million~) could confront a first world military, barring more advanced weapons.

>>32346532
maybe pick something with an effective range of more than 200 meters OP.

>>32352258
M4 has barely more than that.

>>32346998
>AR is cheaper than AK.
>what are time to be alive

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>>32348668
>1100
>Not expensive

Sorry I don't want a 1000+ dollar range toy that fires a 60 cent round incapable of doing much past 150 yards.

Cite wikipedia all you want, the round cannot do nearly as much work as any standard rifle cartridge at 150+

Though it does make an excellent CTU-style weapon.

>>32353209
That's really only because of sanctions.

If Russian sanctions were lifted, AKs would be around 350 a pop.

>>32352327
except point target effect range is 500m for an m4, more than double

>>32353238
again, looking at the actual costs of production for cast steel and polymer, a military could save megabucks on the p90

>>32353732
Maybe if it was already in mass production.

P90 production stopped awhile ago.

>>32346532
You're obviously talking about Poland. P90 is shitty as fuck and we have our own Beryl which works better than this overhyped nailgun.

>would P90 be a good weapon?
It isn't in any circumstance, why would it be here?

>>32348668
>200m engagement isn't niche
And there's nothing stopping you from using an M4 at 200m either.

>>32348668
>200m engagement isn't niche
So why not use a weapon that's better suited for it then?

>>32353238
I'm sorry I'm not poor

>>32354984
OP said p90 you illiterate fuck.

Can you fucking retards get any dumber?

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>>32346532

FUCK NO
this is like a close range bodyguard type thing, it may have reach but the armor penetration is had up close, its just a reliable 22wmr basically.

You need something that uses common ammunition, that means not just the fact you can get it ordered up in advance, but that you might possibly find it in the field too.

I recently thought up a build like this...

7.62x25 tokarev AR
uses PPsH magazines - 35 rounders or the drums

TT-33 pistol to go with it, fires the same ammo. It has shit capacity but you dont wanna use a pistol anyway, but this way you dont have to keep track of 2 kinds of ammo.

> Logistics

As a Militia or Paramilitary you should have somebody doing CNC machining to get as much of your shit as you can for cheap. That means violating patents and shit but who cares if you're an underground army.

Get some 3 shot burst full auto sears, you dont want your guys wasting all the ammo but you want to be able to put 3 into someone in CQB without thinking about it.

(a 2 shot burst would be even better due to controllability but aside from the complicated Echo Trigger I dont know of any AR systems that have that feature. Then again the difference between a 3 shot burst and a 2 is just a limiting sprocket with 4 teeth instead of 6).

> Better ammo
If loading up ammo is a possibility, you want to start engineering THV projectiles, they have a spindle style appearance like a ballpoint pen.

These are supercavitating projectiles and they cause massive wounding, as bad or worse than a hollowpoint. However if you have an armor piercing material layered under copper or brass the narrow point will cut through anything but thick body armor plate like butter.
> hollowpoint damage and armor penetration at the same time.

Tungsten Di-Sulphide coating on the outside also eases friction with the rifling and can make hotter loads possible.

> but why not 223, its everywhere?
because the bullet doesnt fragment out of a short barreled weapon

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>>32355757
he asked if a p90 would be a good weapon

he's not necessarily talking about p90 and its stats like a quiz but asking if its worth a damn for a state funded militia

> is this what common core does to people?