How does /k/ feel about the Australian Defence Force?

>>32343321
One of the smaller nations that takes its military funding seriously

>lost to a bunch of oversized chickens

what a fucking joke

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>>32343321
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>>32343321

I hate them, they're a bunch of jerks

>they wouldn't let me join ;_;

>>32347075
Why?

>>32349093
I'm on antidepressants. Apparently, they don't take anyone who's on medication, because reasons.

>>32343321
I want them to export those cool explosive shotgun shells their navy has.

Did 5 years in the RAE. Sapper life.

Good times. Highly recommended to do it if you can, just choose what your interest is rather than what you think is cool jobwise and youll be fine.

No regrets.

Individual experience will vary.

>>32349333
What do you do now? I've heard a lot of vets can't find work after they leave.

>>32349380
>I've heard a lot of vets can't find work after they leave.
Really? I've heard the exact opposite...

>>32349380
Now im into my 2nd year of a mature age plumbing apprenticeship, doing commercial work in melbourne. Got a mrs and 2 kids, home loan etc. Only take home like 50 bucks after the bills but fuck it i own 2 houses now.

Not exactly hard to find work when youre ex defence unless you have something like PTSD or your own personal demons that need sorting.

>>32343321
SASR is good but insane.

Aus Army is incompetent.

No idea on their "navy" or their air force, was never around them.

Everyone is underfunded.

>>32350103
>Aus Army is incompetent.

How do you know this?

>>32350237
because /k/ told him so you sperg

Best infantry in the world.

Their average infantryman is on par with US SOF easily.

Anyone who disagrees needs to read a fucking book

got enlistment date for rifleman in february

cant wait cunts

>>32350103
>babbies first shitpost

>>32351189
>Their average infantryman is on par with US SOF
[citation needed]

>>32351230
A book. Did you not read his post?

>>32351189
>Their average infantryman is on par with US SOF easily.

Ermmmmm, no. We do get operator teir gear now days and everyone wears multicam but thats about it. Our grunts do get some training from the SASR but that doesnt make them operators.

>>32351202
>Singleton in winter

God help you. Have fun digging stage 4 in the rain.

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>>32351308
>>32351189

>training
and the SPG gets training from the SASR and the ADF, look how that went

>>32351341
A mate used to play the baddies for the SPGs when they went for their yearly refresher with SASR and suggested that the Qld SERT teams were the worst by a substantial margin

>>32351341
self propelled gun?

>>32351366
Semi professional group

>>32351366
Single-penis Girl

>>32351339
ahah yeah bit nervous about that but should be alright

>>32351361
sounds about right, this state can't do shit.

cops "forgetting" how to operate their sirens, screaming and honking their horn to pull cunts over then pulling their glocks

child protection agencies getting children killed (and those cases were the publicized ones, the thing they don't want you to know is that entire agency is a massive clusterfuck with constant turnover, it's full of sociopaths and pedos)

SERT is probably the grown up police version of /k/ meetups. did your mate say much about those refreshers? sounds interesting. the media doesn't say shit about the SASR and i'd like to know more.


>>32351366
state protection group, New South Wales' state wide SWAT team. that picture was from 2014 when a crazy guy held up a cafe in the middle of sydney and ended up blowing a guy's brains out, so they had to raid. they caused more casualties than the actual hostage taker. they also brought M4s into a hostage situation against a guy with no armor.

>>32351361
"They must complete a minimum of 10 chin ups, 35 push ups and 100 sit ups, then run 10km in under 46 minutes and finally swim 400metres in under 10 minutes. All this is done consecutively without a rest. This is the minimum fitness standard required, and is assessed with zero tolerance"

This is the qld sert. I'm no olympic athlete but that seems pretty tough

>>32351341
those dudes are POGs and weekend cops

1CDO wouldve been a better choice then those fags

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>>32351405
He didn't question their fitness - they were just apparently very skilled at shooting the hostage before/as well as shooting the baddies

>>32351410
>35 pushups

cmon now

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>>32351366
sorry let me get that right, the hostage taker killed one guy, then the cops stormed in and killed two people, then injured 3. and a cop got his head grazed.

>>32351410
have you seen actual operators? they're pretty well built but the main thing is training. you can't develop the type of skills that special forces have with a few hundred bullets per month and a yearly meetup ffs.

>>32351412
imo they should have called in TAG East and given him an ultimatum: come out and get a fair trial, or stay and receive a closed casket funeral. the "contain and negotiate" bullshit the cops pulled in part lead to the disastrous effects of the raid, he was obviously fishing for attention. he didn't even care when a fair amount of the hostages fled.

>>32351454
>>32351410
>>32351405
I've been in a pistol club range with local SERT cops practising - I assume that's what they are as they're the only Qld cops I've seen with thigh rigs and USPs instead of Glocks.

They weren't bad shots, but they wouldn't score in the top half of the club I shoot at... and yes, I accept and understand the fact that paper service targets don't shoot back.

>forgetting how to turn on sirens, scream at the cunts with your pistol out to pull over

kek no way is that true aussies?
>classic emerald !

>>32351529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUKc1GEeCqU
literally mad max

>>32351529
btw if you're put out in the middle of nowhere like that cop you've done something pretty bad, from the way he was acting he was obviously such a cunt that even his fellow cops didn't like him.

>>32351538
>they call their friends cunt and their enemies m8

bunch of funny blokes those strayans

>>32351538
Second cop is based tbqh.

>>32351454
>M4A1s with CAR stocks, free float RAS, and redi mags
A E S T H E T I C

>>32351308
Depends what he refers as "US SOF"

ADF infantry mid 80s to early 90s had a level of training and gear was easily equal or better to US Rangers - eg Aussie diggs were all trained on SLR, M16, M79, M203, M60, L2A1, then MAG58 as basic skills, Rangers were single weapon M16 or M60 or M203 'specialists' only - so they were at least on par as elite light infantry, now Rangers are classed as SOF.
SASR holds its own against any foreign toptier SOF, but current strayan grunts are mid-to-hightier infantry after limited ops experience in Afghan and Iraq but nowhere near SOF, Rangers have since upgraded their gear and reroled into being lowtier SOF support, but thats the only difference.

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>>32351758
Dumb cunt the bullets are going to fly sideways now

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>>32351788
>Dumb cunt the bullets are going to fly sideways now
For shooting the orientally inclined.

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>>32343384

>>32351758
>the Los Angeles school of tactical breaching and operator operations
>taught by: 50 cent
>special guest teacher: dylann roof
>surprise guests: LAPD

man the Austeyr must be absolute shit, anyone here used it?

>>32351822

The Austeyr holds up, especially the recent versions with rails standard, and issued ACOG /RMR.
EF88 is a gangsta gat and big improvement, over the Steyr.

Although the M4 is typicaly considered superior by ADF Infantry.

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>>32352197
>>32352207
are these air soft kiddies?

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>>32351822
Used and qualified:
SLR L1A1
AR L2A1
M16A1
F88 - fixed sight
F88C - Carbine was more accurate for rifle comps
F88SA1 - pic rail
F88A2
M4
F90/EF88 with Acog/RMR
HK417 with 6x Acog
All of the F88 variants have been a gradual improvement on the originals
Still would take the M4 for close-in and the 417 for open country, mainly to be ambidextrous around left/right cover instead of the hold-it-sideways drill ADF teach to get around that one fatal bullpup flaw.

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Whats the best military light vehicle in existence right now and why is it the Thales Hawkei?

>>32352326
That's one sexy machine

>>32351662
Literally everything you just said was retarded, congrats.

>>32352413
Eh, in that anons defence my old RSM taught at Ranger School. He told me once on an individual level there were many similarities during the 80's and 90's. However in terms of capabilities Rangers have, and always will be miles ahead. Just look at the difference between the training of NCOs.

>>32351412
No
>>32351366
State Protection Group. The parent unit for the Tactical Operations Unit.
>>32351341
Pretty well.
>>32351405
>keyboard tactician
The TOU were the only unit authorized for the job, Police tactical Groups are trained and equipped to the same standard as TAG. 2cdo couldn't have done any better the SASR no longer have the domestic responsibility. Theyre too bust doing SR overseas in *censored*.

>>32352326
You mean that make believe vehicle no one in the ADF has or will get anytime soon?

>>32353029
First 10 were delivered last month: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2016/11/16/Thales-Australia-delivers-Hawkei-military-vehicles/5911479285133/

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>>32351341
Where's the footage for this? Must be floating around somewhere surely?

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Plenty of downsides desu (I'm an Infantryman myself, or 'infantere' now that it's a gender-neutral job. I actually went through the School of Infantry with the first Infantrywoman)

>Rolling out new uniforms but taking years upon years to issue them across the entire Army (how hard is it to produce uniforms for <100,000 members in YEARS?).

>Issuing a new service rifle, then much like the uniform, getting it only portions of the Army/Defence.

>Big Generals and Colonels like to measure their dicks talking about all the new tech and equipment we're using and show it off when we literally have like one fucking platoon in the entire defence force using that shit for the next 2 years.

>Training is still Vietnam-esque shit. Section attacks across open fields and bush/jungle warfare training is all we do when we go on field operations. This is all the training you do until you're picked to go overseas, then you get into useful training like urban ops, stability ops etc. Still, doesn't exactly fill the 'train how you fight' thing.

>Complain about retention (30 of every 100 who go through basic are still in the Army within 4 years time) yet new soldiers are treated like shit and are given less and less incentive and motivation to want to show up.
Upsides are good though. You're guaranteed to make really good mates for life and do things you couldn't dream of doing civvy-side.


There's a lot of talk from completely delusional brass that is complete trash. The Army seems to follow the example of our state governments. The talk a LOT of bullshit and promise a lot of stuff that, if it does happen, is complete shit anyway, and they burn millions upon millions of dollars.

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Just adding to this. I forgot one point.

The Reserves need way more attention. It's a fact known and accepted by everyone in uniform that the Regs (Australian Regular Army - full timers) have nowhere near enough numbers to conduct all the missions and operations that the government/foreign policy/dept of defence requires of them.


>An example of this is the Timor conflict and the Solomons missions. The Regs didn't have the capability to conduct those continuous stability operations. (For the uninformed: Reserve units were rotating through Timor since ~2000 until this year)


>Same goes for the Solomons. Like Timor, the Reservists were basically 100% covering that gig because the Regs were tied up in Afghan and Iraq.


>Reservists act as space-fillers on every major exercise because the Regs simply don't have the numbers and/or equipment necessary for their big brass to play army men for a few weeks.

The biggest point.

>Even more recently, reservists have been sent to active combat zones on full time duty. (Before now, Reserves was more on the 'safe' side of the Army, if you were going overseas, you'd be on a stability mission, or you'd work in disaster relief within Aus, etc.). The Regs are so tied up in what they need vs. what they have that Reservists are now going over too.


>Big brass has made it clear that in the coming years/decades the Reserves will take a much more active role in joining and supporting the regulars in ACTIVE combat (afghan, iraq) so the reserves should be getting far more training and training of a higher quality. Frankly they're not. This largely falls on the guys at the top being more worried about burning millions on gucci shit than ensuring the cannon fodder has quality training.


Just my $0.02

>>32353023

>The TOU were the only unit authorized for the job, Police tactical Groups are trained and equipped to the same standard as TAG. 2cdo couldn't have done any better the SASR no longer have the domestic responsibility. Theyre too bust doing SR overseas in *censored*.

I gotta disagree. TAG East literally exists for the shit this guy was pulling. The coppers are more geared towards ol' Gazza waving around a shotgun on his farm in bumfuck.

>Heard through the grapevine that the TAG blokes were literally on the tarmac, birds fueled and gats loaded, just waiting for the go from the governor (or whoever else needed to authorize that shit)

I have a lot of respect for Police, but the fact is that the cops made a LOT of mistakes and showed nowhere near enough aggression or initiative when it was crucial. Then when they finally busted in they fucked it up royally.

>>32353623
>TAG East literally exists for the shit this guy was pulling

Using a military counter-terrorism unit to put down one crazy faggot with a shotgun, I'm going with no.
20 crazy kebabs with shotguns, yeah maybe, if they have bombs or something- definitely

Thing with cops is they essentially (theoretically?) exist to save lives, the hostages and if they're able to they'll also save the life of the guy with the gun too. That isn't how a CT force works, they kick in the door/roof/windows/floor, kill the guy with the gun immediately and anyone else who's not on the floor in 1 second flat, is getting their shit kicked in to the point they wish they where dead. A lot of military modus operandi around taking people down for capture is also something that'll get you sued in the real world.

>>32351202
>No idea on their "navy" or their air force, was never around them.

Got my assessment day for rifleman in jan. Keen

>>32352213
airsoft is pretty much illegal in australia

>>32353575
What do you mean they need more attention?

>>32353815

More funding, basically. Newer equipment, better training.

Super-important, better leadership. Defence Recruiting's process of recruiting reserve officers is beyond retarded. Like. Fucking astonishingly retarded. Like....Fucked. Just fucked. People who are super capable, keen and driven on being leaders with less experience are thrown aside and dudes who are completely clueless as to what the Army is all about get the gig because they've been the manager of a KFC or a clothing store for a couple of years or some shit. It's just so mind-bogglingly fucking stupid, I can't fathom.

MANY reserve officers are total garbage as a result of this. It's only made up for by the relatively strong NCOs throughout the reserve army.


Anyway, if the Reserves are expected to step up, they should be being given better funding. They're only issued better equipment (eg. chest rigs, high-speed boots) when they're going on operations. Otherwise they have to pay out-of-pocket to get themselves better gear and equipment.

>>32353913
I'm thinking of joining the reserves, not as an officer but as infantry or engineer. What do reckon are pros and cons (apart from shit training & funding)?

>>32343321
I respect Australia's military, if solely because they've fought with the US military in practically every conflict since WWII.

Seriously, Australia was with the US even in Vietnam and Iraq.

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>>32351189
>Best infantry in the world.

Australia has an almost identical curriculum to the Brits, who have far more combat experience.

Australia one of the best jungle warfare schools in the world, but thats about all it can lay claim to.

> Their average infantryman is on par with US SOF easily.

I know this is bait, but incase someone takes this seriously; "US SOF" receives far more trigger time than any infantryman in any country and has countless more hours practicing TTPs and being privileged with all sorts of well designed courses.

rationalize it however you want, someone who spends 5 days a week training skills is going to be better than someone who gets to do it once a month if they're lucky.

Contrary to the delusions of guys who weirdly lionize infantry, the average infantry soldier is a glorified janitor who knows how to handle a few weapon systems. Most of them won't even get anything more than a passing familiarity with all the high-speed skills people here like to fetishize until their pre-deployment buildups.

just a reminder there are people here who think section attacks are highly technical procedures and get giddy over seeing pepper potting

this stuff is on the level of "foreign legion is basically special forces"

>>32353508
>>32353575
Thanks for posting.

>>32353931
I'm thinking of joining the reserves, not as an officer but as infantry or engineer. What do reckon are pros and cons (apart from shit training & funding)?

It depends a LOT on where you're from, what you're like and how old you are, mate.

Just off the top of my head...

Pros:

>You'll become a better person. God knows, when I signed up, I was super childish, lacked drive and commitment for ANYTHING. After Kapooka and IETs, I'm persistent and always have a 'get up and go' attitude.

>You'll make super good mates who'll take care of you. You'll meet guys from all corners of Aus and become the best of mates in just a couple of days.


>You'll get fit. Especially in the Combat Arms Corps' (Infantry, Artillery, Engineers, Cav.) You're expected to be very fit. You're expected to spend the 6 days you don't have parade to be working out. You WILL get fit.

>You'll get to do some awesome shit, man. Riding in armoured vehicles, firing big fuck-off weapons. Stuff you'll look back on and be like 'jesus fucking christ that was awesome. I let rip a few thousand rounds through the F89 in one night and it's still one of my fondest memories.

>The shit stuff you experience often times becomes something you can laugh about afterwards. We were rained on for days, completely drenched head-to-toe and our weapons were filled with mud, gunk and other shit and we were literally collapsing from sleep dep. It was hell. When we got through it, though, we all sat around, had a few frothies and laughed about it.


>You appreciate shit more. You appreciate the people around you, a comfy bed, a comfy life, the sacrifices certain people make.

i'll cont the cons to avoid a mega wall of text.

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>>32354112
cont.

Being 3:30 fucking AM, I'm pretty tired and there's a lot of stuff that I'm no doubt missing. So do know that there is a lot more than the stuff I'm stating.

Cons: A DISCLAIMER: This is just what I've seen, it doesn't apply to the entire reserve Army, it varies massively and all these points could occur or none of them, just depends on so many things mate.

>I mentioned it. But, yeah, shit leadership is a rampant issue. That's both officers and NCOs. It comes down to what I said earlier, the unit you're at very much determines that. My unit is pretty 50/50 with NCOs who very much care about building good soldiers vs. NCOs who just like to treat people like shit and power trip. The officers (i don't dislike anyone based on rank, I respect people on their ability and merit, so this is said without bias) all seem like they'd rather be somewhere else, in the literal sense. They're super disinterested and couldn't give less of a fuck.

>As much as recruiting says it won't, and as much as it seems like it wouldn't happen. Reserve service very much affects your civilian work/school/family life. If you're not studying/working/dating then you're gucci. For example, I had been applying for jobs for like over a year and they all finally got back to me when I was 3 days into a course in NSW...I'd still be on course on the dates they wanted me to come in for interviews (pretty much guaranteed the job). So yeah, I lost out on 8 job interviews that I'd been waiting months for because of that one course.

>Although I'm recently single, nonetheless Reserve service had me away from home/my partner for a total of about 60-80 days this year (admittedly most of this was courses, you won't have this many days away in a normal year), it does take its toll.

>You'll get fucked around a lot and sometimes be left thinking "Why the fuck do I bother with this shit". It happens.

>You will, at times, have to sleep in a ditch, in freezing cold, in the rain, in bumfuck.

TBC

>>32354274

Yeah i'm still at uni full time. So it might fuck up my work/study life. That's prob the most im worried about. The pro's seem pretty good tho. Thx for taking the time to provide info

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>>32354274

All the shit aside. I'd recommend it 110%. It is by far the best decision I've made and it has no doubt made me a better person.

It's not an easy job...It's not supposed to be. It'll push you to your limits and force you to be the best version of yourself, but that's the best part. You gain respect for none moreso than yourself. You think "Never in a million years did I think I could do that".


Had you told me I could hump >10K with 30-odd kilos on my back I'd have laughed, sure enough weeks later I did it.

I did it with a mate to my left and a mate to my right. Without them I'd have collapsed or given up. That's the biggest part of reserve service, man. The camaraderie. You do make mates for life.


The Defence force has its shortcomings and such, that's a truth. But on an individual and unit level, all seems to, for the most part, run smoothly. There are times where you'll feel a million bucks and feel like you can fly and there'll be times where you just put your face in your hands and cry like a child. It's an awesome journey.


Pic related is what the reserves is all about, man. None of this gucci shit that the army posts on facebook, or that gets posted in /k/ threads. It's just you and your exhausted mates out in bumfuck nowhere kicking back, talking shit, digging holes and shooting gats. When push comes to shove, though, we switch on and do that job, and we do it damn well.

>>32354403
AusAnon i want to join army as fitter/turner any tips you haven't already covered ?

>>32354486

Nothing I can think of really man. From what I gather, trade jobs in the army are pretty comfy.

Recruiting holds your hand through the whole process man, so follow what they say and you should be gucci.

Even though they'll train you up to where you need to be, they'll expect you to be coming in with at least somewhat switched on with technical/trade work. Don't sweat it if you're clueless in the job.

Best of luck mate.

>>32354549
Thanks alot man have a good night.

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Will it be the Type 26 mates?

>>32355197
Nah

>>32357318

Stickin with the Spanish one then?

>>32357332
FREMM

>>32351405
>they caused more casualties than the actual hostage taker
they killed one person. he killed one. what the fuck mate, they didnt walk in and blow the place up, they jsut got confused and shot a hostage. that being said it shouldn't have happened but you can't say they killed more than he did

>>32351579
the cop was a dick tbqh

>>32359795
>i don't know what casualties are: the post

noun: casualty; plural noun: casualties

a person killed or injured in a war or accident.

Monis killed one person, the cops stormed in and killed him, Dawson, and wounded three other people and a policeman.

It doesn't matter if you think it was accidental, the point stands: The cops caused more casualties than Monis.

>>32359926
who gives a fuck they got the bastard

>>32359946
i know, but it still sucks that others died. the SPG was clearly advised to not use M4s but they did anyway, and that may have played a pretty large role in what happened.

shit happens, but that doesn't mean we can't make improvements on our policy in situations like these.

>>32354375
Have a look at the scholarship programs offered by the ADF.
I was in the reserves for 2 years, while at Uni doing engineering and then picked up a scholarship which drastically made my life a lot easier as I was essentially getting paid a decent wage and didn't have to muck around doing part time jobs to make ends meet.
Course, they will own your arse for a time, but to be honest I didn't regret any of it as once I went through officer school, you're getting paid, have a steady job and can just get down to doing stuff. Not entirely sure if there are scholarships for the trades and technical, but might be worth a look to see whats out there.

Plus if you go choco for a while, you will pick up a hint of what the full time is like. Some people dig it, other's don't and at least you'll be able to make an educated opinion on your own after the experience.
It is very important though that you're capable of working as a team member in any role, if you're going to pout, piss and cry every time you have to take an order- run now!

Won't blow smoke telling you its all fun, some parts are completely the suck and you might hate them. But there's other experiences which make it all worthwhile, particularly the travel appealed to me and you'll get to see things for yourself which no one else will, some of them are great, some are tragic and more than a few are frustrating. I don't really have a handle on the current ADF as I've been out of it for a while, at least they are spending money again... not entirely sure if its on anything good :)

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>>32360251
Not the guy you responded to
When'd you get into the ADF anon? I've heard how it's apparently cucked these days. Pic related.

Also this isn't a cult pick up

>>32360338
Finished up all my training at the end of 97, in full time in 98.
To be honest, anything after about 2008 I'm really not that across completely any more and yes, I am old!

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>>32343321
I'm thinking of joining the adf for a trade (sparky) what's the best branch to go into?

>>32351579

They are both the same cop.

Video was to show a course of conduct.

They punch above their weight.

>>32360338
Bullshit this is real, I already know my country is a bit lefty and shit but I thought at least the army would be different. I thought they would still have the honour and attitude to live up to the legacy that the ADF has had throughout its history. I'm going to join the reserves pretty soon, and I'd be happy to serve in the ADF so long as we aren't in the Middle East, but if it's as weak as this anon said it is, fuarck.

>>32361998
>I thought they would still have the honour and attitude to live up to the legacy that the ADF has had throughout its history.
Uppermost kek

>>32355197
More than what RAN asked for. Cf Hobart class.

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>>32361511
Looking at you Canada.

>>32351538
Cop did literally nothing wrong, they just couldn't handle the insane levels of bantz

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>tfw passed assessment day as a Marine Technician

what am I in for lads?

>>32359966
It was basically Australia's Columbine minus the no. of killed in the sense that the cops just stood outside for like 17 hours instead of ending it before nightfall

>>32351400
Do you like digging in wet Clay? Clay has this beautiful ability to suck all the energy out of an ET strike leaving you an inch deep. When you beat the Clay you get to meet shale. Expect moral to die in the arse.

>>32362382

so each time you smash the pussy it gets harder to get

is that what u am saying

>>32360338
That can't be real ....

>>32362337
Good news: You will get a decent trade to use on civvie street. The navy pays really well and travels a fair bit too.

Bad news: You most likely will become jaded really quick, the navy treats their people like absolute shit. All the sailors I've met who aren't jaded as fuck are weird cunts and/or kids who we're bullied at school. Also I hope you're single, the navy really is a single man's game.

My advice enjoy it while you can, probably try and get on the subs asap, they really do some cool shit and it pays astronomically well. You're on 4chins so you're probably the kind of person that could be a submariner.

After you've had enough either get out with your trade or come over to the RAAF and settle into easy street. Best of luck.

>>32362812
>the navy really is a single man's game
what, for raping women? or for fucking other men?

I'm considering joining as a fitter armament. Anyone have any advice/experience with it?

>>32362901
For sexually assaulting other sailors. But seriously navy life is not conducive to being in a relationship. >>32362908
Is that in the army or air force?

>>32362916
Probably army. Is there a big difference between the two?

>>32362812
I might've gone subs if hotbunking wasn't a thing, and it didn't mean I had to be stationed in fucking Perth for my entire enlistment.

Besides, I figured surface fleet would give better practical experience working on Marine Systems for working in that industry once I get out, much better travel opportunities, and can actively contribute to stopping the boats

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>>32362940
Fucking huge difference mate. Basically the army is all about being a soldier, PT, fucking parades, guard duty all that stupid military shit. The air force is basically like a normal job with a uniform.

As far as being an armament fitter, in the army you'll probably be a gun plumber, fixing small arms that some cunt has broken. I don't know too much more I'm not I'm the army.

But as an armament fitter in the RAAF, you won't do any small arms stuff, it's all the aircraft related weapons systems, bombs, missiles, countermeasures etc. They also do the EOD stuff too which is probably the best part of the job.

What are you looking to get out of a job in the ADF?

>>32362957
Last time I asked a submariner they don't hotbunk any more. Perth is a nice spot, there's a good chance you'll end up there as a skimmer anyway.
I would have thought a sub vs a ship would be pretty much the same as far as being a stoker was concerned, but I could be wrong. Subs travel as much if not more than the surface fleet, and I've done another of border protection stuff, trust me it's fucking shit you're not missing out on anything. Submariners do waaaaay cooler shit than chasing around some ragheads on a rickety boat.

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>>32363000
cool shit like what though? don't subs mostly just do surveillance shit that junior sailors will be mostly ignorant of anyway?

and it's a tough job m8, but enforcing maritime law and border security is important as fuck, plus that was just an example, surface fleet has lots of cool shit as well

>>32362968
Thanks for clearing that up.
I guess I'm not too sure what I want to get out of it. I'm really not sure what I want to do in life and figured that I could get some useful skills/qualifications, job security and give something back. I should probably do some more research and thinking before making a final decision, but thanks for the help mate.

>>32363023
Cool shit like the kind you can't talk about.

I agree border protection is an important task. However they are boring as fuck and extremely monotonous. Important unfortunately doesn't also mean interesting.

Also fuck that webm.

>>32363072
No problem pal, my advice would be join the RAAF, unless you have some burning desire to be a digger, the RAAF will give you all that stuff and you might even like it enough to make a career of it.

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>>32363080
as tempting as the extra money is, I don't want to sign up for shit conditions of a submarine for ill-defined cool shit that nobody can talk about

maybe if I could get a tour of a sub, or get a better idea from a submariner once I get a security clearance

still, I appreciate your input anon, you've been really helpful

>>32362959
How dare you! I'd have never become an officer!

>>32363090

>boring as fuck and extremely monotonous.


Once had to run piquet on a boat full of asylum seekers for weeks until the immigration minister came to a decision as to what was gonna he done with them. Just sat in the exact same spot in the middle of the ocea rotating piquets for weeks. Fun stuff.

>>32363091
No problem man, don't worry I get it, it's potentially a huge commitment to make based on little information.

Unfortunately submariners are notoriously coy about what they do, but it's necessary I suppose. I guess that's why they call it the silent service.

Definitely something worth exploring once you're in though.

>>32363128
Fuck that noise, thanks for illustrating my point though.

The whole border protection bullshit is so politically charged, no cunt wants to make a decision and when they do it's usually the most retarded bullshit you've ever heard. Fun times.

>>32361998
>>32362708
That's my experience.

Got knocked back 3 times for not being 'dedicated enough'
First time I was 20, I quit my shitty job 3 months out from the final interview rounds to train full time. I was ready to leave behind being a shitlord and make something of myself.
I was in the best shape of my life and had no home commitments. I was ready to get on the bus that day.
>we want you to show you can stick at stuff and not just quit when it suits your needs.
>Come back in a year
right-o cunts. I had been warned this might happen, so I took it in my stride and kept pushing.

Second time. I applied 1 year later on the dot. Took another 6 months to get processed to the interview stages.
>They advised me that not reapplying on time would negatively affect my chances.
I had been working the whole time since I got knocked back at a fucking RSL, I'd volunteered around the place, restarted team sports, always helped out and had glowing recommendations. I studied SOP's, read training manuals, I wrote letters to cunts, I spoke to people in the unit I was applying to, I went the whole 9 yards to show I wanted to do it.
>ended up sitting in silence with the psychologist for 25 minutes because I refused to agree with her assessment that my quitting of mcdonalds was actually me be being fired. ( I literally wasn't and figured it was some sort of mind game so I just told her the truth and said she could accept it or not, she refused to ask another question so we sat staring at each other till she asked me to go back to the lobby.)
>anyway they knocked me back again based on ""my spotty employment history""
>ignored all the work I had put in over the last 2 years
>not commited enough
>fucking maccas


Third time. Now 24
Don't even get my foot in the door because I didn't apply to the same job as before and they said that showed a lack of commitment.

I always figured the Army was a place for young men to make something of themselves. I guess not.

Applied to join ADF when 17. Got knocked back. Righto.

Got a traineship instead, 7 years later making 120K PA, have a sports car , own 2 houses, one of which is acreage, engaged to marry lovely lady, have safes filled with guns.

Meanwhile friends that did get accepted. One is one pension because on exercise a knob NCO made him carry a bloke, two full kits and two steyrs up a mountain which literally destroyed his back. So now his perm disabled.

Other friend is doing a bit better but still making shit money and hating Army life because of the retardation that goes on.

MFW. I was orginally bitter I didnt get in, but now fucking glad because everything turned out better then I could have hoped for.

>>32351758

1. Why is he holding the rifle sideways?
2. ... Is that "Cunt" I see on his nametag?

>>32363128
I knew a CWO who was at the centre of an immigration disaster - he was on a patrol boat, they intercepted an asylum seeker boat with 70+ people on it.

He went out with a boarding party, started assessing the situation and then some idiots down below deck blew up the boat's engines (if the boat can't propel themselves the Navy is required to tow them to the nearest port or rescue them). The explosion set fire to the boat and shit hit the fan.

The men of the boat jumped overboard and some started drowning, while the women and children were essentially stuck on the burning boat with the Navy crew.

The boarding crew and patrol boat only had one RHIB, so the CWO ordered the driver to start picking the men out of the water and get them onto the patrol boat. The other couple of guys on the boarding party got the kids over to a safer party of the burning boat and literally started playing games with the kids to keep them distracted and calm.

The CWO (as head of the boarding party) had command authority over the CO of the patrol boat and ordered the patrol boat come up against the burning boat so that they could get the children and women off (one of which was late in her pregnancy and could hardly move).

Pretty sure some asylum seekers died, but quite a few survived (it might have been SIEV 36, but the story I was told didn't quite match the public one, so it might have been another less famous one - the CWO was teary, in uniform, in front of a couple dozen other personnel while telling his account). There was an inquiry and the CWO was utterly fucked over by brass for endangering the patrol boat and not preventing the engine sabotage in the first place, but he wasn't demoted and his subordinates were praised for how they handled the situation (IIRC the RHIB driver got a medal). That said, he doesn't regret his decisions made after the fire started.

>>32352197
heh heh time to shitpost

>>32363497
noice