.308 rifles

>>32340362
>platform
M1A, PTR, FAL, SCAR, Any bolt gun in .308, tanker Garand, oh and any other gun not listed above that is chambered in 7.62RFN.

FNAR

>>32340394
>>tanker garand
[desire to know more intensifies]

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>>32340362

>>32340435
From what I understand it is a Garand variant with a shorter (18 inch rather than 24 inch) barrel and chambered in .308 rather than 30-06. Not sure if is an original military variant or a modern one though.

>>32340362
SCAR 17 if you can afford it, they really are well worth it and they fucking last forever

otherwise pick up a PTR or an FNAR

the M1A isn't great due to a lack of quality in the castings they use, and the wide open action doesn't exactly lead to reliability in adverse conditions.

>>32340521
Original ones exist, but are hard to find. Most are bubba'd full-length garands that you want to avoid. The closest modern equivalent is the M1A SOCOM.

>>32340362
PTR is the best of all the battle rifles for your money. FALs are inaccurate and unreliable, M1A design is shit, AR10s are immature tech, and SCARs are like 1% better than the PTR for 3 times the price tag.

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>>32340705
>FALS are unreliable
>PTR is the best
>10 hours a day playing Call of Duty

>>32340752
I own a PTR, FAL, and M1A retard

FAL is a 3-4MOA gun with good ammo
PTR is a 1MOA gun with good ammo

>FAL

not accurate nor reliable

>PTR

Chews up brass

>M1A

Heavy, obsolete

>SCAR

3000 bananss for a proprietary piston

>AR 10

Custom. Widely available parts. Mil usage and precise to rugged depending on config.

>>32340521
>>32340675
They're based on the T26, an M1 variant that never actually saw production. Some milsurp retailer, I forget which, cut down Garands to 18in barrels and marketed them as "Tanker Garands". Of course, plenty of Bubbas did this, too.

An actual original "Tanker Garand" pretty much doesn't exist outside of the 150 or so prototypes, and if someone tries to sell you one as such without a shitload of provenance, they're a fraud.

>>32340923
>>FAL
>not accurate nor reliable
>>32340705
>FALs are inaccurate and unreliable

new to guns, why is this so?

>>32341066
It's a meme, FALs will run forever.

They aren't the most accurate, but they are reliable as hell.

>>32340362
if you don't mind spending enough to buy a decent used truck, Galil ARM is a goodun.

>>32340435http://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmoryusriflecal762mmm14-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2.aspx

>>32341066
>>32341112
Also, people automatically assume tilting bolt = inaccurate. While a tilting bolt doesn't have the accuracy potential that a rotating bolt does, for the purposes of a battle rifle like an FAL it doesn't really make a difference.

I've seen plenty of FAL's (mostly IMBEL's and FMAP's, interestingly) shoot 1-2MoA pretty easily. If you're going for a match gun, look elsewhere, but for a combat rifle the FAL's accuracy is fine. A comparably-built G3, M1A, or AR-10 will perform about the same, but those all can be accurized further, whereas the FAL doesn't really have much more room to improve.

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>>32341066
The issue with the FAL is it beats optics to death.
The bolt is so massive and has a heavy forward impulse, this will break even some high dollar optics, as such people think they are not very precise because their optics beat to shit.

As for reliability, it is an aged platform, and there are some better options, but training out weighs the "issues" the weapon has, then again the same can be said about the m14 platform.

Go do some of your own research, cross references sources ect ect.

/K/ is a nice place, but don't take anything here as law.

Vepr in 308?

>>32341112

>Reliable as hell

>No one uses the design anymore except poorfags

>Israelis ditched them for aks

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>>32340362
a PTR 91 is your best option

>cheaper than FAL
>more reliable than FAL
(FALs require good lubrication to function but FAL fanboys will defend this)
>$3 magazines
>plentiful parts, customizability options
>HK slap

negative:
>chews up brass (if you reload)

>>32341303
What do you mean by "chews up brass"?

>>32341344
they damage the casings on ejection, meaning you can't reload them.

>>32341344https://www.gunandgame.com/attachments/75040248-bifnc6gu-brass-jpg.72838/

>>32341303
>The issue with the FAL is it beats optics to death.
The bolt is so massive and has a heavy forward impulse, this will break even some high dollar optics, as such people think they are not very precise because their optics beat to shit.
>>32341181
(FALs require good lubrication to function but FAL fanboys will defend this)
>>32340923
>not accurate nor reliable

Where the fuck do you people get this shit?

>>32341492
...? The beat the optics to death part?
It's a pretty well known issue.

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>>32340705
>FALs are inaccurate and unreliable

dropped, you don't know shit am go home.

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rfbs are nice

>>32340362
Berettas ARX 200 if it's around the same price point a the ARX 100 I'll bite.

>>32340923
>Chews up brass
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/POF-HK91-PORT-BUFFER-NEW-p2172.htm

>>32340362
IWI ACE in 308

>>32340394
>7.62RFN
?

>>32342920
it's a meme you dip

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>>32342920

Browning BAR Match?

I can spend alot of money on my first .308 semi rifle. I'm not saying I NEED to spend a dick-waving amount, but I can.

I want a rifle that is going to be easy to keep in working order, easy to get good working magazines for, and able to digest the widest variety of .308.

What should I buy? I lean towards AR10s...

>>32343167
SCAR or high end AR-10

>>32340362
Just get a G3 clone

>>32340454
She is purty.

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>>32340806

Can't you get an AUG chambered in .308?

>>32341183
Seconded.

The vepr seems to be quite the quiet overachiever.

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>>32340362
If you want to have fun, any one of the semi auto options you can find should do you well. If you want precision, get a bolt action, but you should probably consider other cartridges at that point as well. Do your homework on manufacturers to make sure you are getting what you want.
>>32341366
If you don't run the gas system wide open the brass will be fine. This sounds complicated, but you just adjust it enough to cycle and then give it one more click for good measure. I've reloaded many an FAL brass. Just reloaded 50 rounds last weekend.
>>32341377
That's what fired brass out of a fluted chamber can look like, and that's an extreme example. The brass isn't warped, there is just particulate deposited on it in that pattern. Will tumble off. Oh, and FAL rifles don't have fluted chambers, in case that wasn't clear. They don't need the extra help with extraction like roller delayed blowback actions do.
>>32343167
Anything with an adjustable gas system will be able to account for pretty much any ammo, so long as it is in spec (i.e. not damaged cases). AR10 rifles are nice because of options in parts. Don't cheap out if you go for one, expect to spend between $1500 and $2k on the build.

I don't know why people say the FAL is unreliable. It's plenty reliable.

It is not particularly accurate. 2 MOA or so. Anyone claiming 1 MOA is probably using 3 shot groups or something stupid like that. If you get lucky you'll see somewhere just below 2 MOA.

The PTR is going to be reliably below 2 MOA. Roller delayed blowback is more consistent but you need to do some modifications to really get accuracy out of one.

The AR10 is the most accurate by far. It can be the most reliable but is sensitive to ammo variation so you will want an adjustable gas block if you want to shoot the cheapest shittiest steel case and Hornady Superformance without beating the shit out of the rifle.

M1A is not a good value, not very accurate or reliable. Get it if you want an M1A for the sake of having one.

SCAR is not a great value but it is very reliable, decently accurate, and has a lot of ergonomic benefits like integral monolithic rail, ambidextrous controls, light weight, etc.

Vepr 308 is basically an AK. Sub 2 MOA if well made but over 2 MOA is not unusual. AK reliability and all of the quirks that go with one. Optics are a pain in the dick.

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>>32343167
Get one of the GA Precision AR10 builds. They're spendy, but you'll be too busy compulsively filming hot glue gun videos of yourself with yours to care.

>>32343785
.308 is still the best precision rifle cartridge for most cases these days. Unless you're shooting a really long fucking way.

>>32345807
>muh vepr

Saiga's are still a thing, you know. And since Trump is going to be in office then they'll more likely than not become readily available again.

>>32340362
just got a new PTR from black Friday sale, paddle is stiff as fuck and almost impossible to use and is carving up my aluminum mags which are also tough to seat compared to my older GI model...

How are enterprise arms L1A1s? Seen them around for $1000. People say to get DSA, which are $1700 for a base model. I want to go full wood and mount a Trilux l2a2, no net for rails or anything outside of original specs

>>32340454
That stock always makes my peepee feel funny.

>>32346421
Have one in 6.5 refugee and can confirm

>>32345834
>hot glue gun videos
I wish I didn't know what you meant.

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>>32346901
Sako Bavarian is best mannlicher stock

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>>32347050
I held one when I was eleven and I wanted one ever since. Then I searched em out, realized I'm poor and got the cz. I'm not even mad about it. She shoots dime sized groups and is beautiful while doing it

>>32340637
Also, M1A has the safety inside the trigger guard.
Always creeps me out.

>>32340705
>AR10s are immature tech
60 year old design
Almost as old as me
noguns detected

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>>32347357
>6.5x55
I approve of the chambering. Fantastic little round, that. Especially for being well over a century old.

Pic related is my 1911 Carl Gustaf Gevár m/96. Toss up between ol' Carl and my Long Branch No.4 MkI* for my favorite rifle in my entire collection.

>>32349538
I approve of it too, I really want to get an m96 or two

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>>32349442
As long as you're not retarded it's a non-issue

>>32343167
A higher end .308 AR pattern rifle is what you want for practicality, to be honest. I say that as a self admitted FAL fanboy.
You can buy newly made, high quality spare parts and have an extremely accurate and reliable rifle, instead of having to dig through surplus parts trying to find one not worn the fuck out, or buying shit newly made parts. You are going to be stuck buying proprietary parts no matter how you go on the large frame ARs, as every bumfuck company just has to have their own proprietary way of making a fucking takedown pin.

I like the LMT MWS, personally.

>>32341525
Since when?
Literally the only gun I've ever heard that about is the SCAR, and I've owned FALs for closing in on 10 years.

Let me guess, you put a Sightmark scope on your Tapco mount, set the gas system full on because "muh reliability," then were surprised when smashing the bolt carrier into the lower broke your shit scope at 15 rounds instead of 20 rounds?

What is it with .308 rifles that bring out the retards and myths in force? It's worse than an AK thread on Facebook.

>>32341344
casings hit the edge of the ejection port pretty hard, but if you reload you can do what I did and get an ejection port buffer and solve most of those issues

>>32346957
At least a tricked-out GAP-10 is as worthy of a, uhhh, "target" as one could ask for...

>>32349866
I know next to nothing about garands.
I'm assuming the BHO is just based on the follower getting high enough to stop the bolt when there's no cartridges? So no official BHO mechanism?
It just looks like garand thumb shouldn't happen unless you are being stupid, correct me if I'm wrong.

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>>32341158

>>32346364
The design is really what impacts accuracy. AKs in general are not really 1 MOA rifles. More like 1.5 to 2 MOA with an accurate one. The SVD is not exactly what you would call accurate either.

>>32351487
The BHO is not just the follower. It can stop at the follower or further back in the receiver where there is a catch. Either way the bolt will not go forward unless you release pressure on the top round.

>>32351553
But Veprs are AKs too.

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>>32340362
M1A

It is beautiful and shooots well.

Pic related, muh m1a.

>>32351864
Yes, I'm saying to not expect the Vepr or the Saiga to be particularly great for accuracy. Reliability should be good though.

>>32352108
Russian/Soviet Bloc "precision" weapons like the SVD, PSL, and even the Vepr are all basically the philosophy of "perfection is the enemy of the good enough" in physical form.

Meaning: You'll never pull off a 2km Chris Kyle kill shot with one on anything smaller than a moose, but for 600m and lower they're 9/10ths as good as western precision weapons and a hell of a lot more reliable than any comparable western semi-auto of similar intent. Think of them as Eastern Bloc equivalents of the G3-SG1 instead of the PSG-1.

>>32347357

>Then I searched em out, realized I'm poor and got the cz.

Modern selfloaders are so accurate and well built that $2k for the Sako is purely an emotional purchase. Add around a grand to that and you're in SCAR/LMT MWS territory.

The CZ, while priced slightly higher than I'd be comfortable paying, is far more reasonable for what is essentially a really neat range toy or 4-legged prey hunting rifle. It's also a modern bolt gun with irons which isn't exactly a common thing anymore.

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>>32352996
>SCAR/LMT territory
check

Thats why I think I might pick up the Sako for next years durr season.

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RFB.

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>>32340362
308 weak
338 stronk (more than double the energy)

>>32340362
>FAL (DSA Arms, or find a parts kit and a receiver to assemble)
>PTR 91 series/HK prebans/SL8/PTR receiver + G3 Parts Kit
>Kel Tec RFB
>Galil .308 Preban or Parts Kit + Receiver
>Galil ACE and ACE SAR
>Milsurp rifles in .308 like the FN49, MAS 49/56 in .308, BM59
>SCAR 17
>M1 Garand in .308 or an M1A
>Vepr .308/Vepr 1V .308
>Zastava M76 .308 conversion, Zastava M77 .308
>Valmet M76 .308/M78 .308

>>32349459
>60 year old design
doesn't mean shit if all the manufacturers are making their own part specs

>>32352996
Honestly the only fn rifle/battle rifle I want is an fal, but yeah.

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>>32353528
...?

>>32341272
>israelis ditched them for aks
Kek goy

>>32345807
>SCAR is not a great value
Poorfag that never shot a scar would say the same thing

>>32342903
this

What about cemte? They come up when I search for ptr, how are those? Anything important to know about them?

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Don't mean to steal your thread OP, but just wanna get an answer for this

Just bought this and I want to make an 18 in. rugged platform. How much do you think a full setup will cost me?