How fucked is the Royal Canadian Navy?

>Any sailors currently in want to give their opninion if it worth component transferring over to?

Pure autism at it's finest.

Is there some sort of cooperation between canada/uk army since they have the same commander in chief ?

Canadian Navy

Personnel: 13,600
Destroyers: 1
Frigates: 12
Submarines: 4
Patrol Boats: 12
AOR: 0 (2 on order)

Australian Navy

Personnel: 14,215
Destroyers: 0 (2 Launched 1 being built)
Frigates: 11
Submarines: 6 (12 on order)
Patrol Boats: 13 (+2 leased)
AOR: 2 (2 on order)
LHD: 2
LSD: 1

Why is the Canadian navy so small for a population of 36 million?

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>>32334374
Canada's real military might is the vast array of terrifying nature they keep hidden there. Every year those bastards send their geese over here. They're fucking huge and they're angry buggers as well. No wonder the Soviets never tried invading.

>>32334374
Because Austraila is an island nation

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>>32334175
Thoughts on Canada ever getting a sub replacement? I think there's reasonable chance they'll lose the capability completely.

>>32334374
Because its a pacifistic country with limited natural resources, practically no export market, and no enemies that falls under official protection from the bongs and de facto protection from the burgers due to being America's hat.

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>>32335170
Thought they had plenty of oil?

>>32334206
There is always Cooperation between the big Commonwealth nations.

>>32334175
>>32334374
>one destroyer
Mothballed and waiting for decommissioning and scrapping after its last breakdown. We just got Frigates & 4 subs left.

>>32335170
>limited natural resources,
>practically no export market,

Wow, talking out of your ass eh?

We've got tons of resources.

And 73% of our export market is too the USA.


Our military is shit because ever since we signed on to NATO and NORAD, the federal government has constantly reduced the Canadian military over the decades because the UK and USA has us completely protected.

Why have a military when they can waste money on welfare programs (aka: buying votes).

>>32335170
>limited natural resources

I'm going to have to stop you there.

Canada quite literally has almost the same if not exceedingly more natural resources across the board than the United States.

>Limited export market
>Literally the entire United States Tariff free
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/gblec02a-eng.htm
Positive trading ratio with basically every European country except Germany, and positive with the States. The only country (surprise surprise) Canada gets fucked by is China.

If you meant limited manpower then continue.

>T. Triggered Leaf

>>32335697

china i understand but why germany? wtf are we buying from them?

>>32335812
Railway stuff, nuclear reactor parts, electronics, pharmaceuticals, technical medical stuff, heavy machinery, cars. Basically any heavy industry stuff. We buy a shit ton of stuff from them for power generation, like power plant steam turbines and magnets and transformers.

>>32335812
>>32335874
http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/StatisticsBySubject/ExportsImports/Data/CountryTradeProfiles/TradeProfileGermany.aspx

http://www.albertacanada.com/business/export/germany.aspx

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/deu/

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/can/

>>32335106
Canada should buy some Shortfin Barracudas via Australia

>>32335170
The only thing we have is natural resources.
I thought of going navy, then remembered we don't have one.

>>32335386
they do but with massive price drops for crude all the oil industry they just got done investing in is pretty much useless

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>>32336172
They seem to barely have funds for new fighters or frigates, how will they afford subs? If the liberals get in when the time comes then they might just axe them and give the cash to single mothers and brown people.

>>32334374
we bandwagon too often with the US, it creates a bad habit of saying the US will defend us every time so we don't have to take care of our armed forces. On top of that our new equipment acquisition process is disgusting. We have millions upon millions of funds frozen because the replacement for even radios takes forever.

>>32336394
in funds**

I live in Halifax and work directly with the Aerospace and Def. group here.

We currently have 0 destroyers, because the one we have right now is effectively non functional.

We also have no supply ships.

>>32336413
Fuck...

What the fuck do we have to do to have the government take our security seriously?

We need Hitler 2 in Canada to even have an arms industry left.

>>32336445

You would not believe the insanity that goes on here.

I did some basic intelligence consulting for them and they politics involved in the procurement deals were fucked. The company who won the contract in BC for a handful of new ships?

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A FUCKING DRY DOCK YET.

We can't keep our current ships afloat let alone replace them. It's pretty bleak my man.

Canada slashed its military budget, and has spent next to nothing on new equipment for so long, putting it off as long as possible, that they now need to buy a lot of equipment, or give up on having a military.

http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_07/20160704_160704-pr2016-116.pdf

If you look at Table 3 & 6a, you can see that over the past six years Canada has averaged at barely more than half the recommended 2% of GDP military budget, and of that barely more than half the 20% of spending on equipment. No shit that this short-term stupidity has come back to haunt them.

>>32336631
Jesus

They're in for a shock, when they have to replace literally the whole military

>>32334374

Combined they are smaller than Italian Navy*

Amazing and bemusing, especially for Australia, given they are an island nation in Oceania.
Either they are undermanned or ours is too big.

*Italian Navy:
1 Carrier
1 Cruiser-Carrier
4 Destroyers
13 Frigates
4 Corvettes
7 Submarines
3 Landing Platform Dock Ships
Don't remember how many minor patrol ships

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>>32336729
Compare populations of Italy and Australia.

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>>32336394
>it creates a bad habit of saying the US will defend us every time so we don't have to take care of our armed forces
You guys better get a good Navy in place soon, because Russia is going to declare the entire Arctic theirs if nobody looks mean enough to challenge them. Global Warming is happening. Oil and Gas under the sea, my syrup consuming friend. The Northwest Passage too. Canada's future will rise or fall on their ability to exploit the warming Arctic.

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>>32337915
Well the USN better get their ass up their ASAP since our navy is a fucking national embarrassment more than our cock-craving PM.

>>32336776
Well the nominal GDP is 1.223 trillion vs. 1.852 trillion $ so there isn't a difference that would justify that.

>>32338010
USN isn't going to do it for you. USN is falling apart and not getting replacements fast enough.

We need to stop saying the North West Passage is Canadian territory if we can't defend it.

>>32338047
>>32338036
>>32338010
>>32337915
Also Russia is making claims that their continental shelf reaches all the way over to Canada, claims that would grant them an EEZ. You're gonna need a beefy navy and beefy air force + naval aviation to resist that. Canada is going to need some goddamn destroyers, some goddamn SSNs because USN will only be able to fulfil part of the patrol requirements, some goddamn MPAs, and fighters and tankers to cap it all off.

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me in power:

Australian Navy

Personnel: 55,300 (mandatory conscription)
Destroyers: 10 (Super Arleigh burkes like the ones that south korea has)
Frigates: 20
Submarines: 20
Patrol Boats: 55
Nuclear powered Ice Breakers: 15

Thats right fags vote 4 me :^)

>>32338203
Canadian navy* fuck.

>>32335170
>no natural resources
>export market meme

Are you fucking retarded? The only thing in there that was true was the fact that the US has enough firepower to cuck them over, and they enjoy it thoroughly.

>>32338203
why would we need ice breakers lmoa

>>32338351
no we need nuclear powered ice breaker aircraft carriers.

>>32337915
lol no. Russia is perfectly content to using the Arctic council as the basis of amicable relations with other Arctic states. They wouldn't dare escalate the Arctic, especially when they already have to deal with Europe and Japan (which might end since Abe and Putin might finally officially end WW2 by signing a peace treaty hand figure out what to do with the Kuril's). But what you say about the NWP is true, with the increasing traffic we will need to maintain a good arctic navy or coastguard in order to deal with the increased use and flow of goods/people. If we're talking about defense, what we need is attack subs that are capable of emerging through Arctic ice and some air force bases that are within reach of the Arctic circle, because apart from that most other if not all other tasks could be performed by the coastguard.

I could go on, but that's because the class on Canadian Arctic sovereignty I took in uni was decent and has a lot of material on it.

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>>32335106
just get moar seakings

>>32334374
Australia needs it to fight off those boat people. Too many. Wasn't there some plan to buy 2 spanish built aircraft carriers too?

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>>32340200
LHD = Spanish "aircraft carriers"

>>32334374
Australia has the biggest coastline to patrol. Matter of fact, they should be spending way more on the Navy than any other branch.

>>32340721

Realistically, I think we're doing OK.

At the end of the day there's literally no possibility of the RAN competing on its own with any serious threat even if it were made a major priority.

>>32334967
Geese are bitches and will flee if you kick or punch it in the football.

Now swans, those are motherfucking mass murder machines from the depths of hell itself.

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>>32340674
RAMPS FOR CHAMPS

>>32334374
Because their only job is help keep the Atlantic open when the Russians attack.

>>32334206
>same commander in chief

Read a book pls

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>>32342122
This tbqh famalam

>>32342122
>>32342381
More like ramps for cucks

>>32342740

Someone can't appreciate nice curves.

>>32340793
>Kick it in the football.

>>32334967
Fuck the asshole who made these cunts protected species in Finland. Still shoot the fucks when they land in my field though.

>>32334175
get off 4chan Jason

>>32336378
>They seem to barely have funds for new fighters or frigates
We have money for both, the F-35 program has been dragging on and inflating in price, despite still being the best option the government and citizenry got cold feet and had been for a while. Mostly the liberals jumped on it because it was something they could use for the election.

As for the ships, I'm really fucking sick of hearing people spout this bullshit that the Liberals are cutting back on them or 'don't have the money', because originally the Harper government told us they'd cost $25 Billion... then we found out that they'd cost closer to $100 Billion, meaning the liberals didn't so much as cut back on them but keep closer to the originally stated budget, because surprise surprise Harper was a liar.

>>32342220
I know he used the wrong term but we do

>>32343506
don't talk shit about harps, Liberals are the reason the military is in such a shit state

>>32334175
I know a guy who will be sailing on this new oil tanker that will be supplying the entire navy (don't fucking ask me how it will properly supply the pacific and the atlantic.)
The guy isn't even in the navy, the tanker is just going to be crewed by union sailoes.

The enemy literally has to drop one civilian ship to cripple the entire oil supply to the navy.

>>32335643
You have lumber, ~2% of the oil on the continent (thats hard and expensive to get to due to oil sands) with limited capability to harvest it, and...thats about it.

Your export market is a joke that consists of driving across the border to the US, you dont really export to any other country.

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>>32345128
Is that the one being converted now for temporary use until the other 2 official ones are finished and ready?

Why didn't they just build the replacements when it became obvious that the old ones were near the end of their life and avoid crippling the entire navy?

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>>32345309
>Why didn't they just build the replacements when it became obvious that the old ones were near the end of their life and avoid crippling the entire navy?
Asking our gubment to have foresight beyond the next election is like asking a blind person tips on colour theory.

>>32345309
Woah.. Its almost like the Canadian government is grossly incompetent... Wow

>>32345260
The 10% of the Alberta oilsands currently recoverable is ~75% of the entire NA oil reserves.