Middle East Thread "ALEPPO FINITO EDITION"

So latest on T4 seems to be IS has completely besieged the base and has pushed as far west beyond it as Furqas.
I'd take it with a grain of salt, but it seems like the offensive still has some legs to it.

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I'm clenching my butthole for T4. Like really it shouldn't be breached and taken...right guys? youd really think so, kiweres was a fortress and T4 even more so..

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>summary of syrian civil war in a picture

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Tfw you bomb the 47th last hospital this week

>>32328400
is that matt farah?

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Man I'm usually pretty chill about people posting uninformed opinions on social medias, but all this "stop the massacre NOW" when the city has been a warzone for several years and the horror is living its final hours is rubbing me the wrong way.
Help me stay strong

>>32329429
In 100 years they'll all be dead my friend. Hang in there.

>>32329429
Frustrating to me, considering how much worse off civilians are in Yemen, yet nobody seems to cry too much about that.

>>32326871
Supposedly ceasefire is back in effect and the evacuation will begin this morning, rebels having agreed to allow access to nearby villages they're besieging as demanded by SAA, which is what derailed things to begin with.
Taking bets now something else manages to come up at the last moment and the infinite ongoing siege of Aleppo will somehow continue further.

>15mRussia says rebels leaving Aleppo to be transported on 20 buses and 10 ambulances in corridor towards Idlib city - RIA novosti
>22mRussian defense ministry says Russian soldiers preparing to lead rebels out of Aleppo towards Idlib - TASS


It would be kind of funny if the US accidentally dronestriked the russians thereby causing a third world war

>>32329093
Is this supposed to be jihadis converting moderate to extremism? Sauce?

>>32326871
Me to a friend :
>- dude have you seen my leppo ?
>- your what ?
>- my leppo dude I can't find it
>- what's that ?
>- what's what ?
>- a leppo
Smug grin
>- ...oh fuck off wanker

Apparently SAA retook the Al Qaryataen junction

Evacuation is also apparently underway in Aleppo

>>32332296
you're a couple of tossers, m8

>>32326871
I don't frequent Middle East threads but I try to watch it carefully. I explained Aleppo like this to a coworker today.
>so imagine you're the Nazis, you have to take Moscow and the only way to do it is raping and pillaging your way to Moscow because that's warfare
>uh huh
>now imagine you're a red army soldier and you're told to take Berlin anyway you can which means rape and pillage because that's warfare
>uh huh
>so something similar is happening in Aleppo
>yeah but raping and pillaging is wrong
>YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU THERE IS NO MORAL HIGHGROUND ONLY THOSE THAT LIVE

>>32332237
Basically. And it was a somewhat recent anti Nusra pro tolerance/secularism kinda protest in Idlib. Nusra guys were standing around listening till it got to the point where they were butthurt and were like nah youre done talking.

>>32332874
You argued wrong. If you want to appeal to a pacifist, you have to argue how peace could be possible (and then shred that naive notion by informing them just how shitty this war really is).

Like how the US and Russia are meeting for peace talks, but the rebels and the SAA have not even attempted peace talks once- and no faction in this war is even slightly interested in any form of compromise. The rebels in particular are so fragmented politically even after 5 years that they cant negotiate anything larger than one city at a time. If they bring up the no fly zone Kerry suggested, just ask them why they want to take sides in some brutal shitty civil war.

>>32333354
Basically this. Everyone sucks and is faggots.

>>32333354
>and no faction in this war is even slightly interested in any form of compromise.

Thats not 100% true though. There are countless of local ceasefires and amnesties.

>>32333354

>The rebels are so fragmented politically

Same for the Regime, to my understanding. Does Assad even still have a relevant armed force loyal to him, and not simply with vaguely converging interests (aka the Tiger Force and the Desert Hawks) ?

>>32333472
>(aka the Tiger Force and the Desert Hawks) ?

So far nothing really indicates that these forces act on their own without the order or consent of Damascus. They might act autonomous for the most part, but so far both units are always deployed where Damascus needed them to be and they always lead the attacks.

>>32332874
>and the only way to do it is raping

I think what war is and what you think it is are different things

>>32333472
He has political pull to be like "go here", but the regime has little control more than that if it makes sense.
After the war is over he's gonna be dicked over. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a coup and further fragmenting.

>>32333472
There army is certainly fractured but Assad still holds political power and can speak for the regime. Who is the rebel leader?

The kurds have their shit together but imo theyre just a larger split-rebel faction..

>>32333466
Key word: local. That wont end the war and those ceasfires get steamrolled by larger forces at play when required.

>>32333555
>Key word: local.

Exactly, but as you said, there is no overall rebel leader so all that can be done is to talk with the leader of whatever area to reach a compromise there.

>>32333555
>>32333509
>>32333500

Thanks for the clarification, perhaps everything's not lost then

>>32328184
kek
it was from the russian camp right?

Where is madick
i need this translated if possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgkRcwxidbE

Sorry very little ground movement since Aleppo ended. Not much going on even around T4 and eastern Homs. All this pro rebel whining reminds me of their revenge filled explanations on why they lost so badly to Israel in the 6 day war. Times change , excuses don't. The war continues however.

>>32326871
I'd keep slaughtering them if the rebels don't respect the ceasefire, and record every ceasefire breaking by the rebels and post it on youtube.

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>>32334690
>Times change, excuses don't. The war continues however.

>>32334750
Have you ever heard a Arab explain why they lost to Israel? It has nothing to do with their own failures according to them.

>>32334763
as a French i do all the times.
Its a next level of propaganda stuck into their brain : They literally say that they lost because they fought vs USA

>>32334807
In a way they did though, their airforce(being really the only thing that could destroy the arab mechanised pushes) was basically completely destroyed, and almost all their air bases overrun. We show up, park a carrier right off the coast, give them planes, and they use the carrier as their air base to bomb the arabs.

>>32335908
What the fuck are you talking about?

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https://twitter.com/DonaldTrump_Sy/status/809488071565733888

>>32335908
Anon, that crazy stuff you are claiming never happened. First, in the Six Day War Israel was with the initiative, at least in the Egyptian front, pushing deep into arab territory with THEIR mechanised formations. Not just that, the IAF almost totally obliterated the Egyptian air force in the first hours of first day of the war.

And even if you are mistaking the Six Day War with the October War of 1973; in this case it was Egyptian SAM emplacements that hold back and took a toil on the IAF, and not the EAF proper. And even in this war, Israel lost the equivalent to, more or less, one third of their operational aircrafts, while the arab countries lost the equivalent to, more or less, more than two thirds of theirs.

Also, in both those wars, US rushed their asses to stop the fighting and restore the status quo because they didn't wanted the oil price going sky high.

>>32336264
Where is this from? Jahbat Fateh al-Sham forming female fighting units? I mean, they are desperate enough...

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>>32336264
would wife

>>32335991
thats a really short runway

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>>32337919

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/567555-hezbollah-deploys-to-palmyra-front-report

There's a picture of an american liberal type guy fighting with the kurds somewhere and tweeting about it right? Did I just imagine it?

>>32338329
Hmmmm

Terror vs terror

>>32338019
For you

>>32336622
>US rushed their asses to stop the fighting and restore the status quo because they didn't wanted the oil price going sky high.

based uncle sam

How's T4 doing?

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independent journalist

>>32334701
It is pointless with the MSMs only interested in rebel 'activists' pov

>>32338954
lel get em bilaal

>>32339443
Can a 12.7mm rifle stop a VBIED, or are they too heavily armoured these days to make hits on the engine?

Russian counteroffensive at palmyra when

>>32338921
It's in the process of being a major battle. I didn't get into T4 in yesterdays review because the lines are generally the same. Both sides claim the abandon artillery battalion nearby and i am not willing to vouch for either.

Regardless this area/mountain is where most of the combat is at while IS shells the airfield and the Ruaf bombs/strafes the outskirts to keep IS heads down.

tl;dr should be more heavy fighting there today, Ruaf will go HAM if IS breaches the base.

>>32340699
Going to be a massive 'it depends' really, often they're built using whatever could be scrounged locally, other times there's been a more organised/centralised system for producing them that probably has a better supply of scrap and marginally more care in welding it all together than a couple guys chucking together a couple of them together the day before they're needed.
Also going to vary hugely depending on the chassis used, obviously you can't put as much shit on some shitty little town runabout car as you can a truck and expect it to still be capable of driving. If you've got a killdozer VBIED heading your way then better hope someone has a ATGM lined up and ready to go, even though it's all random crap having a couple tons of steel on the front is still going to take some penetrating.

>>32338781
If you take off from this runway, will you die?

>>32339443
where would they get half a cheytac from

Just finished watching the armor hunters ISIS vid. Most of it is sandniggerish propaganda drivel but the war porn is good aside from some of the old scenes being reused. It features the clusterfuck at the Mosul hospital. John Cantlie makes appearance and looks like a malnourished drug addict. Cant imagine being a captive to those rats and made spew their propaganda shit on a daily basis

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/new-isis-islamic-state-amaq-news-john-cantlie-tanks-tank-battle-mosul-iraq-full-uncensored-video-mp4-download/

>>32342651
I feel bad for John

Hes for sure going to die

>>32342651
the whole "tossing nades into tanks" is fucking appalling though. Not only the tanks aren't covered by infantry, but they let the fucking hatches open. You CAN lock the hatches from inside, right?

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>>32336264
>>32336690
so i googled Jabhat Fateh al-Sham female fighters
this is one of the results...

>>32342669
Yes its mostly like a big 2hand bar you turn 90° ... sometimes a wheel where you do multiple rotations. But once some asshat is ontop of you and you are immobile you reeeeaaally wanna call some support ... surrender is not an option in those shitholes so might aswell broken arrow your sorry ass and hope.

>>32334750
war, war never changes

>>32334763
5 Star, I was trying to say that was a decent statement in this post>>32334750

>>32338954
I saw sky news ralking to another 'civilian' in Aleppo and the stuff he was spouting was clearly rebel backed. He even claimed Assad created ISIS to distract and fragment rebel support, live on sky news. He was given about 5 minutes og uninterrupted screen time to spout his propagand and the news reader didn't question him once.

I normally stay on the fence of this propaganda war but that was the most disgustingly blatant thing ive ever seen. Anyone who's followed the conflict will know he was wrong, but their swaying the uninformed

>>32334763
>Have you ever heard a Arab explain why they lost to Israel?
Haha, yes, and it's always hilarious.

>>32343452
The stakes in Syria are too high to free, independent, unbiased and balanced press roleplaying anymore

>>32333983
Is it really his voice at 2:51 or is it blurred to hide his identity?

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Stopped Evacuation Elements of armed groups from the eastern neighborhoods of Aleppo city due to breach of the agreement.

>>32335908
>We show up, park a carrier right off the coast, give them planes, and they use the carrier as their air base to bomb the arabs.
That's such a complete failure of knowing basic history, I can only assume the words you typed are the result of psychosis.

>>32330687
The media won't cover that sort of thing because supporting Saudi Arabia openly isn't popular atm. It's one of those countries like the old pro-American dictatorships we propped up during the Cold War. Even though we know it's a horrid place, we ignore their atrocities because their government serves a purpose to us.
The media is going after the Assad/Russian camp because it's a matter of public policy for the media and current administration to try and oust Assad and to treat the Russians as enemies as if this is still the Cold War.

>>32342651
Did the tank at 32:00 belong to Hezbollah?

>>32343805
I find it hilarious how Western media is about as "independent" on certain issues as China's.

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>>32343764

>>32344175
They independent but biased, it safer to go with mainstream opinion about any major issues

Who would have though.

Lavror accuses USA and allies of facilitating the Palmyra attack by ISIS, and some days later massive USA airstrikes destroy a bunch of equipment and kill a bunch of ISIS men around Tiyas and Palmyra.

>>32344493
In a way, the USA took out a large number of SAA (and russian probably) equipment this way..

Or maybe this was a direct order from Trump to say "sorry"? Who knows.

>>32344518
Trump isn't the president yet.
I think it was their way of saying sorry for the inconvenience.

Or they wanted to amass ISIS troops and waiting for them to take Palmyra was the best way to bomb them. So they used the russians and syrians as bait.

>>32344524
>So they used the russians and syrians as bait.

Seeing how early the russians and most of the syrians left.. maybe that was the plan all along.

>>32338954
You've got to be fucking kidding me. Fuck CNN.

>>32339465
>"kiss-cool MC" ibrahim, "enlightened" arafat, and "at least my gorka is a SSO" mohammad using an ATGM

>>32341027
T4 battle review, day 4 or is it 5 I forgot. Not much. Almost the same lines as yesterday. Ruaf has been active on the outskirts with bombing raids as US bombing hit 14 IS tanks and some artillery pieces around Palmyra. Yes, the US military is probably looking for IS's newly acquired SA-3.
On a related note a uptick of fighting in Deir Ezzor by the airbase with a SAA BMP taken out by a ATGM while the SAA shells IS parts of the city.

Heavy fighting reported in eastern Ghouta. The Shia militias in Aleppo are detaining rebels trying to evacuate with civilians out of eastern Aleppo. Turkish FSA/Turkish army still on the outskirts of Al Bab. US backed SDF/YPG made minor progress north of Raqqa. Suicide bombing at a Damascus police station with a handful of casualties.

Everywhere has little lines changes. Another day in Syria is done.

>>32344670
>Another day in Syria is done

I wonder what we will do once this war is finally over.

>>32344670
Breaking of SAA retaking a checkpoint south of T4. IS backing off from a siege.

>>32344731
Is one checkpoint around there really that important? There are like 20+ in the desert around that place..

>>32344728
I'll move on to another conflict. I more a conflict watcher than being emotionally invested in any of the factions in Syria. The country has been wreaked though. It's sad.

>>32344738
It would be important if IS wanted to siege T4. IS sure to pick another point of attack. Eastern Homs is a large front. The buffer zone is increasing around the base though.

>>32344756
Yeah, i just checked the map. Its that important crossroad checkpoint. I guess those airstrikes took their toll.

>>32335908
>We show up, park a carrier right off the coast, give them planes, and they use the carrier as their air base to bomb the arabs.
>We

I'm assuming you're an Arab because this myth is pretty much common in arab circles. The Israelis ran three sorties a day, and because the Arabs couldn't imagine how this is possible, those darn kikes MUST have Americans helping them.

At least, that's what you say if you're an air force general for a tinpot dictator that just had his ass crushed and you're concerned that he's about to strangle you with piano wire.


Joking aside, there isn't a shred of truth to it, it's just an assumption the arabs made to cover their assess.

>>32344175
>I find it hilarious how Western media is about as "independent" on certain issues as China's.

It's independent in that it's not mandated by the government, a routine advantage over China. It's consistently liberal as hell and that means they always sympathise with the perceived underdog.

>>32344762
>i just checked the map
link or something pl0x?

>>32344915
http://syria.liveuamap.com

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>>32344931
>http://syria.liveuamap.com
well thats neat. thanks m8

>>32344762

What are they waiting for to move the line though ?

>>32343943
Nah, the PMU.

>>32344756
>IS sure to pick another point of attack. Eastern Homs is a large front

https://twitter.com/RamiAILoIah/status/809834937146896390

As soon as i say the siege is off....IS claims to have taken 4 checkpoints west of T4. Heh, here we go again. I knew IS would attack another part of this front but I didn't think it would be right away. IS keeping the pressure turned up. I'll check again come morning updates.
T4 still hot.

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>>32345585
They can see the Hangars from their position

>>32342960
>b-but mosins are a useless meme gun!

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>>32346307

>>32346314
What is it with Arabs and always getting their bases overrun.

>>32346307
i dont know much about fighting wars, but that cant be a good thing

they have mortars and stuff right?

>>32346401
They captured a bunch of artillery pieces from the SAA when they rolled into Palmyra

>>32346430
And the USA bombed these into oblivion already.

>>32333587
>perhaps everything's not lost then
found the moderate jihadi

takbir brother subhanullah

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>>32346401

normaly i would totaly agree, but kweires airbase was also sourrounded by flat terrain.
Deir-Ez-zor for example is or at least was for a long time besieged the same way (ISIS came close enough too)

both where not overrun...yet...(kweires is pretty save now)

Tabqa for example also had flat terrain and got overrun, but i think the commanders where retards
So, if the defensives of the airbase are good, this could be a new ISIS meatgrinder.
If they are bad, ISIS will most likely steamroll them any day...

>>32346510
I assume that T4 is commanded by russians at this point. I doubt they'll put their specialists in that area at risk of being overrun by IS (again) because the SAA commander in charge happens to be incompetent.

>>32344670
What's the pointing in bringing in SAMs? They won't shoot down US planes, so what do they want them so incompetent Arab fucks can leave them with all the other gear they abandon

>>32346596
I'm not sure whether "newly acquired" means "bought" or "found/stolen"

>>32346510
>So, if the defensives of the airbase are good, this could be a new ISIS meatgrinder.
what is stopping the IS from interrupting the M20 at like Hannurah or Rasm an Naqah and just starving the AB to death for a few months or so?

>>32346646
Presumably brought in by Russia maybe for SAA, then abandoned when ISIS pushed
Might as well destroyed it there and then, cut your losses before they turn it on them, like most gear left behind when retreating

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>>32346596

dude, oldfag here...

i wondered the same already years ago:
they are arabs. they are retarded

ISIS lives from raids and capturing enemy weapon systems. IF the SAA and iraqi forces did give the slightliest fuck about minimalizing the possibillity that the enemy could gain shittons of your weapons when a damn village or town gets overrun, they would be in alot of better shape.

>>32346680
Bombs

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>>32346680

supply airdrops just like in Kweires...Fuah...Deir-Ez-Zor...

>>32346680
kweires survived because of airdrops I think. Also RUAF would bomb them to shit anyway

>>32338954
>independent journalist

i fucking lost it

what a fucking joke cnn is

>>32346754
>Also RUAF would bomb them to shit anyway
eh I figured they'd be doing that already.

>>32346752
>>32346754
but yea I just realized its an airfield. presumably capably of having aircraft land there. at least once.

>>32346887
It doesn't even need to land there, they can simply drop supplies by parachute for them in the area. And that's is what they did and still do.

>>32346962
i know. I tried&failed to be funny

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Iranian Kornet

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Elephant rockets, Aleppo

>>32347275
that lady looks pretty darn smug
i wonder who or what she shot to cause that

>>32346442

I'm reassured that one side is still, to an extent, unified and accountable, because it means we can cooperate with it to bring the war to an end and then judge it once the country is stabilised, how does that makes me a jihadist ?
Not starfoullah m8

what meme power level would be reached if T4 ends up in ISIS hands?

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>>32348133
That'd be some next level shit akhi.

>>32346510
Wasn't tabqa overrun in a sandstorm? Or was that the one in Idlib (or both of them?)

>>32348314
both afaik

>>32348133
It only because straight meme fire is IS manages to take Hama.

>>32348423
*Homs.
Blame the phoneposting.

>>32332356
single action army would be shit against ak u fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHniRRgOao

do you guys believe in a state wide ceasefire, excluding isis of course? I think from now on there won't be much happening

>>32344732
Sexy Soleimani Sighting <3

>>32352543
Problem is there are so many smaller groups (both those on the Assad side and the Rebel side(s)) that have scores to settle with eachother.

>>32352543
What would be the point? There's only ever one realistic reason for a ceasefire in any conflict - as a prelude to peace talks. The media might treat ceasefires as an aim in itself, but the US and Russia have only ever treated ceasefires as a means of showboating to the populace at home. In the case of the US, to show it's doing something, and in the case of Russia to deliberately break it.

>>32352543
yes. Russia/Turkey/Iran are going to negociate about that. The fact that the US and AS aren't a part of it increases the chances of success.

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>>32326871
>everyone was warned months ahead to leave the city
>ALLLAAHHH THEY BOMMED US HOW COULD THEY DO DIS

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>>32353006
>leaving a city who is your home

What military training do syrians have? A lot of their soldiers look like balding 50 year olds with guts that would stop bullets.

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>>32348242
Could somebody edit that guy into a desert with the reflection of a nuke in his glasses? or maybe a russian aiming at him?

>>32353045
>you are going to get killed in the next month
>we are planing for an invasion
>please leave your homes
>evacuation bus is near you at every neighborhood
>dont leave
>get killed
ishalah

>>32353070
I think those are militias but i'm not sure

>>32353084
>>32353070

The old guys are mostly NDF. They had military training back in the day when they were young and thats it.
Those militias might have had some basic training in their country of origin as conscripts and maybe even more if iran gave them some.

But at this point most of them have seen plenty of combat i guess. War works pretty well to sort out able from unable soldiers. For each group of guys getting hit by an atgm because they cluttered together 10 other squads might have learned the lesson.

>>32353077
random defector detected: you would betray your own family because you are an coward.

>>32353105
sure thing bud
You go on and wage war with enemy that has you outnumbered,outplayed,and out gunned for honor.

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roaches got hit again: two buses filled with roachsoldiers where removed.

>>32353120
Actual soldiers or FSA-milita? Any numbers on how many injured?

>>32353115
this is how it is done.

btw Aleppo will soon fall again: back into the hands of the rebellion.

Newfag question, but are the rebels in the conflict still fighting against IS or are they pretty much the same thing at this point?

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>>32353123
roach = turk

>>32353133
I know.. but usually the FSA guys up their get called turks/roaches as well and things get mixed up easily. And since these busses don't look like army vehicles..

>>32353120
>>32353133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94dWgHkElX4

>>32353143
>And since these busses don't look like army vehicles..
and?

>>32353153
and... thats sparks my question if these are actual turk army soldiers or just fsa milita..

Are you dense? Provide a fucking link to the incident instead of just posting some /pol/-rhetoric

>>32353160
You're the one who should back up your statements before demanding any sources from us.

>>32353170
>us

>your statements

I asked a fucking question you retard.

>>32353160
>Are you dense?
open your eyes: you are the dense one. knob.

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>>32353143
>>32353153
>>32353160
>>32353170
>>32353177
Heeeeyyy calm down guys

>>32353120
>two busses

It was one bus

>full with roachsoldiers

Most passengers were soldiers, but not all

13 dead out of 61. What a removal.

some people say a leppo is the worst humanitarian crisis of the 21st century. How true is this? I thought it was the tsunami in 2004 or the earthquake in haiti in 2010 but I might be mistaken, those weren't conflicts after all

>>32353300
If you apply a narrow enough set of filters then maybe.
As you mention natural disasters tend to top purely human achievements fairly easily in terms of fucking shit up.
If we limit it purely to conflict related then the stuff that goes on in Africa almost certainly affects more people since people like Boko Haram have been trashing sizable chunks of countries, and have little interest in humanitarian niceties. In fact plenty of pillaging and raping goes on there.
So if we limit it to human conflicts, and only look at what's happening over a very small area at any point in time, you might indeed be able to say it's the worst humanitarian crisis of the 21st century.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMmllTe0G7s

>>32332296
plot twist: his friend is Gary Johnson.

>>32333431
4chan in a nutshell.

This should be a banner.

>>32353300
>How true is this?
very true. because putinik did it.

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>>32353365
dat cute barbedwire in the background

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpxRYGDXqXI

>>32352981
I am thinking US is just waiting for ISIS to take DeZ. If it falls, half of Syria could easily fall into SDF hands.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7uWk3JPhCs

>>32353527
are they shooting at anything in particular or are they checking if the guns are still working?

>>32353725
they hate clouds

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https://youtu.be/qkALaKn0GK8

truck filled with G.O.L.D

so we had the toyota war. Is it fair to call this one the atgm war?

>>32342651

>medieval arab fighting

what movie is this

don't tell me these guys actually filmed a period piece

>>32353300
that would be gaza in 2014 : in one month israel killed about 1400 civilian.

>>32355078
Fug off.

>>32326871
>Is the application of the ceasefire and directed by armed men from the eastern neighborhoods of Aleppo was false, and negotiations are experiencing major complications, under tension and processes occurring in fronts.

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

>>32353300
They cant come to therms that the west got shlonged by the russians
How the fuck can anyone come to therms with that?

Stop asking fro the impossible and retweet the Banana grills tweets form a leppo (whatever the fuck those are), maybe that way we can somehow turn the tide of events into our favor. Somehow...

>>32355078
lol that's African any given week.

>>32353300
>worst humanitarian crisis
Keywords indicating the article in which they appear are fake news.

>>32355078
Criminals being prevented from committing further crimes is not a crisis.
If gaza wants safety then they need to stop attacking Israel.

>>32355351
Give me a dollar via paypal

>>32355351
>If gaza wants safety then they need to stop attacking Israel.

Following that logic than Aleppo could have surrendered to prevent bombardment too.

>>32355351
I teach really young jewish children to stutter
most of them stutter later

>>32355351
Fact

>>32355369
True, seeing as the 'rebels' only interest is income from the northern oil fields and support for the daesh.

>>32355351
But Jews are the original criminal.
Fun fact: there was no crime until Abraham attempted to murder his son

>>32355460
>Fun fact: Religious people are the reason behind most wars.

>>32355210
>>32355318
>>32355351

Holy christ, calm down jews. I was just making a comparison with others military operations of the 21st century involving civilian death.
Btw its still funny how the media/leaders in every fucking western countries cry about aleppo and yet didn't give a fuck about gaza while it had more civilian death in the same period of time.

Let's do T4 first.
Tiger forces claim to be on the offensive in eastern Homs after taking the Qaryatayn cross roads toward Palmyra with little proof of this as IS still holds the small village of Sharifah west of T4 claiming to have killed and captured a handful of SAA and one Afghan Shia militia member. Both sides shelled each other around T4 airbase. Airstrikes continue. Fighting continues.

Heavy fighting in eastern Ghouta at Mid’aani town between JAI and the SAA. To make it clear the SAA captured Rayhan weeks ago however Midaani goes back and forth. Other than this assorted action Syrian wide with tit for tats in Latakia, northern Hama and new shelling airstrikes in southern Aleppo as the SAA looks to move on post Aleppo victory.

SDF/YPG continue advances in northern Raqqa while Turkish army/FSA have entered into parts of Al Bab city.

>>32355655
https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/810170761138806784
I've heard a conflicting statement on the Qaryatayn crossroad desu senpai

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>>32355655
https://twitter.com/RomainCaillet/status/810210407889719300

IS video from T4 outskirts shows a African fighter. They beheaded a Afghan they captured. Truly the um....international flair of the Syrian civil war on display.

>>32355627
>media/leaders in every fucking western countries cry about aleppo
Yeah that's mainly the media shilling. In the US very few people care and strongly disagree with any involvement in Syria. This is one of many reasons Trump was elected that the democrats keep ignoring.

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Meanwhile north of Raqqa

>>32355742
In case anyone can't read French the tweet just says "A young foreign combatant of the Islamic State on the T4 Airport Front of Tiyas."

>>32355997
Why did the actual north raqqa offensive die out and this northwest raqqa offensive begin?

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>>32356040
We we massir, I kid. I wish I knew French. It's a beautiful language. Anyways this pic shows him pointing at the Afghan they killed.

>>32356232
Off the top of my head the Americans pushed this new push along with much larger backing of SF forces and military aid.

>>32356249
Super helpful to pick up if you're interested in Jihadism. Most of the north African/Maghreb reporting is in French.

>>32355078
Because you guys launched rockets from the roofs of schools.

>>32353748
those rockets look awfully new...

>>32355766
>US very few people care and strongly disagree with any involvement in Syria. This is one of many reasons Trump was elected that the democrats keep ignoring.
>Trump consistently promised to take out ISIS with US ground troops
>inevitably would involve invading Syria

Trump's election had very little to do with US foreign policy in Syria specifically

>>32356888

Please, stop with the stupid meme.

Bumping with SOHR account of T4 today, backing IS's side of the story of about 3 tanks destroyed. SOHR has improved a lot. The guy pulls no punches lately be it as rebel's lost eastern Aleppo he would consistently post SAA advances. SOHR caught a lot of flank during the beginning of the last battle of Palmyra when he report IS already in the city after pro SAA sources basically claimed IS was repelled. Turns out he was right. The only reason IS wasn't in the city briefly was due to heavy airstrikes. I don't believe everything SOHR reports. Another problem with SOHR is a lot of his shit is old news by the time he put's it online. You can find out this stuff as it happens and not wait for SOHR.

http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=57205

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>>32359010
Breaking from pro SAA source of SAA in "east T4" (wut). I would hope they have control of whatever east T4 is. IS hasn't breached the base, only the air defense sites.

https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/810304775048851457

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>>32338954
>meltdown

I really wish this conflict in the middle east would end so all these damn refugees can go back to their fucking homes.

>>32361306
>implying they will leave

>>32361306
>>32361692
>media crying about how we're flying refugees back to Italy because that's the first country they entered

Oy vey muh Allepo let them come here and stay forever

>>32357117
They recieved 5000 grad rockets recently from Turkey.

https://southfront.org/breaking-14-us-led-coalition-military-advisers-captured-by-syrian-special-forces-in-aleppo/

Thoughts about that ????

>>32362677
A little embarrassing if true, but not exactly hugely surprising or shocking given that we've known for a long time that the US has been supporting various groups of the rebels. Heck the US is openly committing a multitude of illegal acts in Syria every day that nobody cares about, I doubt anyone will pay this much more attention.

>>32362874
who did it ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38358177
>Aleppo evacuation back on for the 3rd (I think) time
>Deal includes evacuation of people from nearby SAA held towns in Idlib
>Rebels yesterday stop buses from going
>Rebels today attack and destroy buses heading to those towns
At this rate it's going to take longer moving people out of Aleppo than it did for the push to collapse the pocket enough to force negotiations, just when you think nothing more can happen something else manages to keep the circus going.

>>32364032
Why don't they just walk the people out? It looks like there's only 4.5 km from rebel held East Aleppo to Idlib.

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IS outside of T4 today. Continued clashes with little ground movement due to the snowday. Picture source is a tweeter named Arab Moroccan aka Adam Hasakah. He hates the YPG with a passion. He used to post exclusively on IS/YPG clashes. He was a pro IS source during the battle of Hasakah which btw was a hardcore knock out drag down fight.

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>>32364133

>>32364133
The guy's an Iraqi Baathist, which is why.
Which is weird that those exist in 2016.

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>>32364150
It's cold out there

> Suivre

AFP news agencyCompte certifié
@AFP
#BREAKING Russia says ready to veto UN measure on Aleppo observers


Hmmm looks like they wanna hide something :d

>>32364106
Easier to keep control of things with buses where by their nature you only need to process a relatively small number of people at a time and can keep track of them the whole way, making sure you didn't have people sloping off to become a nuisance immediately would mean putting men along the whole route, which is then a lot of men to keep from lighting up the guys they've been fighting for so long. SAA need to have these exchanges work smoothly so they can keep offering them, big picture it's easier to bus out each pocket in turn than fight to the last man every time, locally there's always going to be a lot of anger to manage, probably too much if you have to have 1000s of men lining a route out. Plus there's likely plenty of wounded going that couldn't make that walk even if it was a option.

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>>32364106
then they wouldnt have anything to bitch about

>>32362677
i havnt seen any other mentions of this incident and it happened 2 days ago so . . . im thinking its bullshit

>>32364259
I really hope its bullshit because there would be a massive shitstorm that the russians would just love to exploit, like when they dropped tromo barbaric shit on an UN convoy after we attacked the SAA at Deir ez-Zor for some reason.
They got away with literal murder that day because of an incident.
And these days, all they want is to truly test the AA systems, any of them they dragged to Syria.

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What a journey. This M56A1 went from US to Tito under US-Yugo 1951 mil. assistance agrmnt, survived Yugoslav wars, ended up in Syria.

>>32364474

It's because the former Yugo states two of which are in NATO are run by ass lickers who ship thousands of guns and millions of rounds whenever the US embassy just winks at them.

So is syrian rebels federation real or is it some phony promess like syrian Ansar al charia was ?

Also why rebels dont focus on airbases ? They proofed they could take menagh airbase, even without isis (with turkish help) they could retake Bashar's airbases

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8pvtoaE79E

>>32364574
What are they gonna do with an airbase? Even if they could use it and fly things they'd get shot down in ten minutes, and the US/Russia can just use out of country airbases or carriers.

>>32364602

>>32364602

The airstrikes would be a lot more difficult, and rebels could anticipate the airstrikes by spotting the recon squads

>>32364634
>rebels could anticipate the airstrikes by spotting the recon squads
That applies as much now as on some notional future scenario.

But really you're asking the rebels to take some of the better defended military installations, all across the country, and hold them all indefinitely. And for this to even remotely work that includes kicking the Russians out, even though they can just fly in from outside to keep dumping tons of FUCK YOU on any significant rebel concentrations. If you were saying this a year or two ago it wouldn't be a completely outlandish suggestion, but right now the rebels can barely pull off much in the way of large offensives, let alone multiple of them around the country.

>>32364743

Not taking and holding the airbase, but making it unoperationnal by carpet bombing it, eventually destroying some jets.

With a massive and surprise offensive like T4 attack was, it is possible, Russians only has special forces on the ground

>>32362677
>southfront

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Peto Lucem claims that the SAA have taken back Sharifah and Tiyas crossroads
Frontline normalized

>>32364862
>unoperationnal by carpet bombing it
They have literally no air power.
Assuming you meant by artillery bombardment, that still requires getting sufficient arty in place to both eliminate the airfields and keep them from being repaired. Marginally easier than actually taking them, but still requires them to commit sizable forces to fairly static positions, once they even managed to get there which is still no easy task.

>With a massive and surprise offensive like T4 attack was, it is possible
That was IS not the rebels, they're still durkas but on average IS rank several levels above the rebels in terms of capability, especially when it comes to blitzing positions in surprise attacks. But they too lack the capacity for large attacks over widely disparate areas and have done for a while, they have enough fight left for a few surprises but they aren't going to suddenly push into massive new areas, because if they could they would have already.

Quite simply neither the rebels nor IS currently have the ability to go and take significant new territory, either on their own or even if they suddenly started acting entirely in concert with one another. Barring any remarkable turnarounds such as Russia deciding out of the blue to ditch Assad and let US/Turkey do what they want in Syria both factions are firmly on the path to defeat so far as being large standing 'armies' goes, the questions remaining are about how long will it take and how much damage can they do on their way out. I can see the answers there being quite some time and a lot, but that doesn't get them the ability to go on the offensive to the scale of what you're suggesting.

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Saw this in my feed a few minutes ago. Does anyone know what it says? I went to the page and hit "translate to english" but all it does is change the Arabic script to random Turkish letters.

http://gorran.net/Detail.aspx?id=11648&LinkID=104

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>>32356249
What a fucking funny civil war.
>Afghani, killed in Syria, by an African militant.

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So the only chance for the rebels to survive longer than half a month is to plead allegiance to ISIS and wreck SAA somewhere and thus keep the war going for longer.
I wonder what CNN would say about all that. If they would say anything at all.
>see tweets when a leppo fell
>Banana bot girl account run by Alqaeda member keeps crying his eyes out
>see comment under
>PSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>NOTHIGN PERSONNEL, KID
>mfw

>>32365445
They've got a fair bit longer than that, not least because there's still quite a few pockets to clear up before the final grindfest of Idlib province, assuming of course SAA want to do things what seems like the sensible way. It'll probably take a week or two just to redeploy forces from Aleppo to start pressuring just one pocket heavily, and that relies on the never-ending soap opera of the Aleppo surrender to have ended before it can really happen in earnest.
Then they need to force a surrender, secure that area, redeploy to the next, rinse and repeat... all assuming there's no more urgent situations like T4 crop up that drain resources away, and indeed that the SAA don't just spread the eventually freed up Aleppo forces so thinly around the country they end up not making much difference.

did the security council at the UN happen already? I wanna see that sweet veto

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>>32365756

>Tomorrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2cD0fAtwes

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ISIS claims to have killed a US soldier near Khaniz
Earlier, there were US blackhawks flying around which could have been the medevac choppers

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>>32365445
IS is going to start having actual battles to fight and isnt going to have man power for this desert raider type shit real quick. The kurds are creeping up on rakkka by the day, and with them will come US airstrikes.

Its a few days old, but here is a press briefing about the US strikes on the loot IS seized during their attacks on tiays a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIEkEvPxNSE

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>>32365445
cnn will stay silent just like they will about the """""moderate islamists""""""" burning the buses evacuating people from aleppo and asking for a fatwa to kill the women and children of aleppo, to defend them from the SAA

>>32364538
Its because people pay for those guns and ammo. Its got nothing with US or Russia. If Assad had cash to pay, yugo states would take weapons out of their own inventory and sell it. Hell, the biggest exporter is Serbia.

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>>32366369
Yep came to post this and a commanding officer of T4 airbase was killed today as well. I always laugh at how Assad's dad look's pissed and dejected in these photos.

>>32367402
I mean, I'd be pissed too if I was him.

>>32366995
>Jund
Fuck they were a funny lot. Miss em.

>>32367402
I feel like most these really, really high ranking SAA guys are more or less just cronies who don't have much real tactical ability

>>32367402
What are those gestures that the Assads are making with their hands?

>>32344175
>>32344327
They are only independent from the government. But they are controlled by the same people who control the government so in practice there is no difference.

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Can anybody explain the current situation in Libya to me? What I'm reading on wikipedia and finding through googling doesn't really add up.

>Red is anti-islamists
>Light Green is government formed by agreements between former warring parties facilitated and supported by the UN
>Dark Green is government formed by islamists pretending not to be islamists
>White is open islamists
>Yellow is tribal dudes defending their farms and shit

>Light Green was formed by UN agreement between Red and Dark Green
>Dark Green was disbanded in April, yet for some reason is still on the map as of December 10th
>Yellow supports Light Green

So why is there still a "Libyan Civil War" if it appears that all the major players save for a few Islamist holdouts are in agreement on the new government?

>>32369533
Same for me, its looks like removing these guys is best thing happens for SAA

>>32367402
>Assads
>Wtf, dude! How did you manage to die so stupidly?

>>32370306
Yup, just dudes high up in the alawite/government who got "cushy" military jobs and pensions pre-civil war

Them getting taken out hopefully forces in someone who is at least somewhat adept at commanding military forces

>>32369929
Probably because it's an agreement in principle at a high level, and as with preceeding deals actually getting all the smaller groups that make up the larger factions to turn in their arms is a wholly different matter. Pretty good indicator of the potential future for Syria with too many local warlords unwilling to give up their recently acquired power back to a central government.


In the continuing Aleppo circus evacuations supposedly resumed overnight, how many hours before the next clusterfuck stops them again? If there's actually a whole day without something happening to cause another halt I'll be amazed.

>>32364133
SAA + ISIS snowball fight fucking when?

>>32372051
IS are cheating fucks, they put grenades in their snowballs

>>32369929
There's a point, Libya is now a civil war hell-hole and yet I don't think I've seen a single Libyan refugee.

Syrians confirmed for absolute bitches.

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>>32369765
Whose that Pokemon?

>>32369929
I'm out of the libyan conflict for some months, but I'm still pretty sure that this map is completely bullshit and does not represent the reality at all.
First, most of these ""governments"" have little to no control outside the towns and cities and red especially is in various struggles with other factions in their towns and countrysides

But in general, yes red and green were opposing factions, which were joined by a multitude of other actors (you know, if the guys you dont like are joining or you think they might join one of the blocks, you have to go towards the other one). Because these were no monolithic blocs the whole civil war didnt blow up like syria or iraq or even the anti-gadaffi civil war.

The Unity Government was supposed to unite the two rival governments, but only some factions in these blocs agreed to it (among them Misrata, the most powerful green faction which thus morphed from 'evil islamist forces' to 'heroic freedom fighters who battle isis in sirte') .
But the central red government didnt join the Unity Government (while multiple red factions did join), so there is still conflict going on, especially with the Reds -who had failed hard during the last years- suddenly takening a bit of clay and looking a little less incompetent.
The UN and the west kinda supported the Red Government, but now has switched towards Unity and is against Red again.

I have no idea what Dark Green is supposed to be, yellow are Tuareg shits (and much of the southern red part is just as well controlled by the local desert tribes), while White (jihadis and radical islamists) have a lot more influence then the map is trying to show.

>>32365147
Members from Gorran and PYD meet in London.

>>32372051
Snowmen VBIED.

Breaking IS claim of shooting down a Russian helicopter over T4.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/810866637352108034

It could be a Saaf Mi-24 or could be a Ruaf Mi-28. I'll wait on photo proof.

>>32364218
Thank you for the answer.

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>>32374159
also breaking the Russian ambassador to Turkey was hit by gunfire in a assassination attempt today.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/810881096598646785

>>32374399
Fuck, there goes the relations between the two countries. Again.

>>32369741
Praying.

>>32369929
Then who is blue?

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>>32374399
>>32374406

hopefully Ivan finally mans up and kicks some roach ass

>>32374406
the Turk will blame Kurd on that

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>>32374399
>>32374406
>>32374434
>>32374437
could also just be another russian on russian thing, makarovs are cocked fast if ankara artiom owed the wrong vassili some rubels

>>32374399
So.. Do you guys think that is the gunman in the picture, or security? The ambassador looks pretty damn dead in that photo.

May the Russian Orthodox God have mercy on his soul.

>>32374406
Doubtful. If anything an act like this will strengthen their bond. (Or is there proof already that Erdogan/Turk secret police was behind that?)

If not, it was "terrorists" and both countries will use this to strengthen their efforts against terror and their polices will work closer together and blabla.. you know the usual rhetorics.

>>32374457
security

also, what makes you think thats the ambassador

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>>32374457
do you know anything about the russian orthodox church? not like mercy is wide spread among the patriarchs, if that guy wasn't drunk af or didn't go down fighting like the roach insulted his babushka, chances are good he'll go right to soviet hell

>>32374159
http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=57328

SOHR claiming ongoing IS assault on T4 during which the helicopter was shot down.

>>32374463
A bad presumption i guess, it's hard to find a full body picture of the Ambassador on google. Anybody got one?

>>32374472
I know they bless weaponry, that's pretty fucking metal.

>>32374399
putin and erdogan, the motherfucking kings of false flag and false flag allegations

pretty damn unpredictable what will happen, but they'll probably both find a good way to make some money and find the kurdish/chechen perpetrator

>>32374399
50 bucks they'll find the hitman within 30 minutes, he'll be a chechen muslim raised by kurdish parents who visited a ngo managed school in a russian exclave in brussels

>>32374475
twitter talk is the gunman is still in the building

>>32374508
Step reporting the gunman saying this is revenge for Aleppo before opening fire on the ambassador.

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>>32374399

>>32374548
The suit is a nice touch

>>32374548
That's a pretty aesthetic looking assassin tbqh.

>>32374548
Damn, that's pretty fucking cool. And scary when they don't look inbred and fully bearded.

Also, the Ambassador must be dead if the gunman have had time to pose for pics.

http://nos.nl/artikel/2149210-russische-ambassadeur-in-turkije-neergeschoten.html
Video of the assassination for you f a m.
If anyone knows arabic, I'd be interested in a translation.

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>>32374548

>>32374578
Confirmed dead.

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>>32374604
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>32374581
why wasn´t he shot immediately?

>>32374625
because he was the police officer in charge of the security ???

>>32374625
Seems very odd that there wasn't any security present, doesn't it?

>>32374643
>>32374640
He was the one in charge of security.

>>32374648
Did he feel in charge?

>>32374581
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/810896989361754123

I am watching the Conflict video of it, damn.

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>>32374548
>>32374604

turkish media says the ambassador is alive, the perpetrator dead

weird info regarding those pics

also, the police in Turkey is using AKs? wtf

>>32374709
all i understand is allahu ekber and that he mentions syria

GET SOME ROACH HERE FAST i want to know

>>32374723
I'm hearing the opposite. Ambassador dead, gunman mortally wounded. Also, that picture can't be from todays event.

>>32374581
>>32374709
Yeah it's revenge for Aleppo, alright. That's the gist of it.
First, he says the usual allahu snackbar shit. Then some verses from Quran I think, then another allahu snackbar. The relevant part is after this. 'Don't forget Aleppo! Don't forget Syria! As long as our [brothers?? uneducated guess here] aren't safe, you will not taste safety. Stay back! Stay back! [two sentences that I couldn't quite hear] Whoever has a part in this atrocity, they'll all pay back for this!'
That's just about what he says in that video, from what I could gather.

>>32374746
just noticed the van says diyarbakir, the shooting took place in ankara

fuck turkish media man

>>32374746
So they got him already?


What do we know about the russian Ambassador? Was he Pro-Putin?
Maybe this is all staged to give the russians a nice opportunity to get one step further with their involvement in Syria and at the same time a disliked diplomat was removed?

>>32374655
His mask worked so well the other guy died.

>>32374766
>What do we know about the russian Ambassador? Was he Pro-Putin?
If he wasn't pro-putin, he wouldn't be the ambassador

>>32374723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSxcD5W8UA

This is a youtube link of the shooting. Some report 3 killed plus the gunman and ambassador. Welp, that's one way to bump out a mid east thread.

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>>32374766
>So they got him already?
yes.
>tfw you're a police officer and you know your bulletproof vest is shit but you still wear it anyway for the spirit

>>32374771
>If he wasn't pro-putin, he wouldn't be the ambassador

Sure? Being "promoted" as ambassador in a shithole is usually a way to remove disliked diplomats if you can't outright kill or jail them.

>>32374786
Probably not a country as important as Turkey, do you think?

>>32374772
>>32374782

I'm 100% sure the Turkish media will say this well suited young jihadi was a member or follower of Fettulah Gülen, and that more massive police raids will take place this night

>>32374801
Hey Kemal.

>>32374548
>>32374604
>>32374782
man, that guy was a 9/10 twink. that fat ivan was probably his sugar daddy and refused to pay him more than he already did for ass to mouth.

anyways, still weird. so good looking, nice suit, great job, he must have been drowning in hairy roach pussy. and what does he do? he decides to kill some fat ivan that putin probably didn't like anyways and get shot by his fellow roaches.

>>32374831
I hate current state Turkey is in as much as the next guy, but that doesn't change the fact that geopolitically, Turkey is important.

>>32374815
Can confirm, they're already saying that. Gülen is their favorite boogieman, after all.

>>32374953
Gülen is to Turkey like Russia is to the American left wing.

>>32374953
no sane person would ever believe that the turkish police, gendarmerie, intelligence whatever would let an armed gülen follower near the russian ambassador without checking his background

if putin has minimum intelligence he'll see right away that it's nothing but another lie

roaches spent months now hunting down so called gülen people inside the government, but they didn't realize the bodyguard of the russian ambassador was one of them? roaches are taking this bullshit on the next level

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>>32374882
>drowning in hairy roach pussy

>>32374999
>but they didn't realize the bodyguard of the russian ambassador was one of them?

Isn't the ambassador (or the embassy) the one who hires the bodyguards? (i.e. should these guys be russian (ex)-soldiers/policemen?)

>>32375030
well the guy looks pretty turkish and speaks turkish, also he's obviously a muslim

but either way, i'm 100% sure the turkish intelligence would have checked anyone who carries a gun in public, no matter who hired him

they arrested more than 60.000 servants of the state within the last months, but didn't notice the chief security officer guarding the russian ambassador was a gülen sectarian?

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>>32374548
>>32374604
>>32374581
>>32374723
>>32374751
>>32374782


here's a picture of the audience right after the shooting

that turk on the right just goes "oh maaan, that guy owed me some lira"

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>>32374548
>>32374604
>>32375030
>>32375066

turkish media now said the guy wasn't really in charge of security, he was just dressed like he was so "noone thought anything bad". he's said to actually have been a regular policeman out of duty.

pic related is a few minutes ago outside the gallery. weird way to respond, place a turkish flag on your armored vehicles and get some watter cannons.

fucking roaches

>>32375087
He just wanted to check out the art gallery, man. He didn't ask for this.

>>32375087
Turkish Ricky Gervais to the left of him is copping a feel