Muscular soilder - is there a point?

>>32322013
That's not an excuse to not run and eat cheetos fatty. Put down the spoon and pick up the heavy stuff.

>>32322013
6 foot tall 150 pound hungry skeleton former Marine grunt reporting in.

Was a SAW gunner also. Just don't be a bitch.

>>32322013
Muscle would require more calories, not water, and that's only to maintain. Remove the calories and they will lose muscle mass. So what?

Strength would be more important than size. Muscle does not hurt in any situation, so long as you fit in your vehicle.

>>32322013
Muscular bodies along with any overly large/tall bodies aren't ideal for soldiers. Now lean, fit men, true ottermode men make for much better soldiers.

>>32322013
If you compare it to WWII, we have more and cheaper food and better logistics. We also have comparably far more missions where endurance indeed doesn't matter much. And then of course, a super buff guy is more recognizable and more physically imposing than a super enduring one who basically looks like your average joe if you don't know what to look for, so these will be overrepresented in the media.

>>32322024
>That's not an excuse to not run and eat cheetos fatty. Put down the spoon and pick up the heavy stuff.

I run 7km in 40minutes every second day and I never touch cheetos or other feces food, you fuck.
The point of my post wasn't about being fat or out of shape, on the contrary.

>>32322013
Yes, being overly muscular is actually a downside since it burdens your cardiovascular system. Just like everything else in life, it warrants having some sort of measure and not going way off the center in either way (being too buff or being a fat slob). Another example would be that nobody likes a douchebag but nobody likes a doormat either.

>>32322093
Get a load of this faggot

Mods ban this underage tard

there is a fine but definite line between being muscular, and being ripped.

Every shirtless man in your OP has defined musculature.

>>32322109
I'm 37. Eat feces, troll.

>>32322126
Excellent rebuttal

>>32322040
Strong this, however most people with more muscle (not just a 'little bit' but bordering on gym rat/bodybuilder) tend to gas out a lot quicker and have poor endurance

>>32322126
>37
>hangs out on 4chan
I see nothing wrong there.

>>32322126
Manchild

Someone post more operator physiques?

Being unnecessarily buff is just added weight and chafing. But some dudes get like that from justing being in the same room as a dumbbell, to say nothing of doing military PT on the regular. Generally speaking though ottermode is the way to go.

>>32322153
how long has 4chan been around you mexican

>>32322198

Since 2010 you fucking newfag so OP was well into his thirties when he started lurking.

>>32322198
A long time. I'll give you some food for thought. Those guys who were here back then left a long time ago and got on with their lives. The only exception being a few freaks that are obviously damaged in the head.

>>32322013
these men didn't have modern fitness training knowledge, and probably only truly excelled in effort / skill and willpower.

many but not all SOF are jacked guys, who hit the gym as both a requirement and a hobby, but skill and mental fortitude will always be most important.

And with the insane conditions and volume of work connected with WWII soldiering.
Between the accumulated experience of the unit and the low life expectancy, only the best had the opportunity to even be a soldier long enough to make special forces.

But cardio is underrated as a combat necessity more practical than size, although size and strength is also definitely a supremely important attribute when your job is a fight to the death between men.

Its like investing in your body makes it a better quality weapon, although your rifle will always be your main weapon and having a stronger body doesn't really benefit your weapon handling at all, and causes your body to use more energy to function, and making you heavier.

People also don't realize that you actually need to go out of your way to put on mass, and you can strength train at a serious level without substantial gains.

hope this post makes sense to people

>>32322013
if you do bodyweight stregth training you can get to a really advanced strength level and stay fairly skinny, but its also very easy to modify whatever level you are on of an exercise to focus on developing size.

Being skinnier can have benefits in movement and climbing ability, so long as your are still strength training.

I guess its just about your personal body preference, so long as you are fit and healthy and strong.

>>32322240

Pretty much what this anon said.

During my service I also noticed that skinnier and lighter guys generally did better in PFTs but brawnier ones were better during rucking and actual combat training.

I think we can all agree mass monsters wouldn't make the cut

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>>32322218

>2010

>>32322040
This

>>32322126
Keep the vodka coming cold and steady old man.

>>32322093
Runs one the 2nd day of each month every month! Watch out guys this anons training for BUDS

>>32322318

Clearly he meant every other day you asswipe.

Mass =/= muscle

Look at Bruce lee. Little fuckers muscles had muscles. He probably had more than twice the stamina of any buff bodybuilder type.

>>32322218
My oldest img in 4chan folder is from 2004. But I didn't come to /k/ untill many years later.

>>32322264
Hmm, our short stocky fellows always did rather well on pt tests.

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>>32322240
It does, thank's bro.

>>32322353

I hear you, I just did a rough generalization based on my own experiences.

>>32322013
Look at the arms of those guys though, they aren't body builders but they are much more muscular than your average computer programmer

>>32322240
Being jacked help them prevent injuries too

>>32322335
>mass=/=muscle

your post doesn't really make sense,

But I think I understand what you mean.

Anyone can achieve substantial strength gains without mass gains, and some mass can be acquired without reaching a particularly advanced level of strength training.
But it just happens typically strength training and hypertrophy oriented training both positively benefit each other.

Bruce Lee was super strong, especially considering his small size, and because of his size and disproportionate strength he was inhumanly agile.

But if he encountered a fighter of equal skill (not that there would be one) and larger size, he would still have been at a disadvantage.

Strength relative to size and body weight can be whopping advantage, but as a general rule it is trumped by mass assuming proportionate strength.

Basically, what i'm saying is if two people where both equally strong proportionate to their weight, the heavier has an advantage.

It sounds simple, but if you you train enough to put on mass, odds are you train more and are stronger than a smaller person even if they also train.

The only real exceptions are rings gymnasts.
Whose upper body strength is typically absurdly disproportionate to their size.

>>32322218
> 2010

Think we found the real newfag, lads

>>32322034
This
6'5" 190 former 11b I would hump my 240 8-12 hours a day when I was in Iraq
Just one foot I front of the other until you get back to a safer area

>>32322040
More water will be required also.

If a human body is upwards of 80% water, and you've got a guy at 220+ pounds of muscle, he's going to lose a lot more water and need more replaced, when compared to a guy whose 150-180 pounds.

Source: van puttes 7th edition.

>>32322335
>>32322565
Cytoplasmic proteins vs myofibrillar proteins.

Size vs strength

>>32322732
r u mad faggot

Go back to reddi/t

>>32322752
Fuck you fagboy you go back there

You new faggots have the same posting power of a 16 year old and I'm fully convinced 90% of the posters don't own firearms at all.

Don't even bother replying to me you chimp I'm going to kill myself.

>>32322757
ok

>>32322218
>2010
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
NORRIS GET OUUUUUUUUT

>>32322769
cringe

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>>32322757
You need to settle your britches my boy.

Calm down.

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>>32322757
>I'm going to kill myself.

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>>32322820
Don't.
4chan was shit since beginning.
But despite that, it still gets cool sometimes, you just have to learn to ignore them feces-anons.
Kinda like looking for a diamond in a pile of shit. It's worth it - if you're hardcore enough.

Also consider the fact that a lot of the soldiers in WW2 were children of the global depression. There was no rel welfare state in those days, growing up hungry was a real possibility especially in working class families from whom the majority of the enlisted men would have come. It definitely effected some of them from a physical health point of view.

>>32322866
From what I read, most of the LRDG staff was recruited from farmers - men who ware good with machinery, used to hardships, and hard labor.

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>>32322013
Op is a fucking faggot who is pobably underage. The people in ops pic that are shirtless look like they are fairly strong. Just because they dont look like john cena from taking steroids doesnt mean they arnt strong. The high calorie burning that the military has to do keeps body weight down but the "operators" now and then were of above average strength

>>32322906
Read the topic of the thread again.

>>32322093
>~1.3 miles in ten minutes every other day.

You need to pick up the pace and intensity.

>>32322936
Fuck it, what for? I already have to listen enough that it's bad for my knees.
Running at night helps me relax, and it does wonders for cardio. 50 minutes is a lot of time for a working adult family man. :)

>>32322318
Reading comprehension, much?

>>32322093
7km
40 minutes
laughing privates

>>32323043
Very good. Laughter is healthy & relaxing. Glad I made you laugh.

>>32322781
Yes I'm gay and proud to be

>average human walks at 5km/h
>namefag 'runs' at 10,5 km/h

>>32323099
OP here. He's not me.

There must be a lot of marathon runners in here with all the salt flying about

>>32323110
What's your speed?

>walk hundreds of miles a week getting 1/3 of the sleep you're supposed to get while eating whatever scraps you can get your hands on
>gee /k/ why aren't any of these guys jacked?

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>>32323134
I wouldn't call it salt. I wouldn't call it salt at all.

>>32323138
I run at about 8km/h but I have good endurance, I'm an airsofter ;)

>>32323198
Ok, cool. Good for you bro. And why do you use op's nick?

>>32323138
I don't run. I go mountaineering for my cardio.

>>32323236
>>32323125
>>32323099
Stop using my name you stupid fraud

>>32322013
The SAS stereotype even today is usually some small framed, mustache wearing nerd looking fellow who you wouldn't expect, runs true in US too but nowadays there's a lot more meatheads in all militaries, not a necessity though, if you can carry your shit and carry someone else in their shit then that's what matters

>>32323138
I can do 3 miles in 25 minutes, thats at a comfortable pace in hilly terrain.

Yo need to focus more on running 1 to 1.5 miles, focus on 6-7 minute miles.
When you can do that confortably then add distance.

>>32322013
those guys aren't crazy cut but they're in good shape

>>32322093
7km in 40 minutes? Jesus fuck how do you run that often and be that slow? I only run once a week, constantly drink beer, and I'm faster than you.

Sof depends on the team. They all go to the gym. But I've seen green berets who were all normal, mildly athletic looking guys. If they told you they occasionally ran, or did crossfit you wouldn't be surprised. Obviously though they were in top tier shape and could pt my dick off without trying.

The green berets that replaced them though...Holy shit. It was hilarious being in the gym with them. All of them were huge, obviously juicing, spent 40% of the time complimenting each other, 45%time spent touching each other, remainder was actually lifting.

>>32323395
Maybe he's going for the tortoise vs hare tactic?

>>32323355
How do you keep a pace. I mean, do you literally just time how long it takes you to run 1.5 mile and then increase or decrease your pace according?

>>32323803
There are watches that tell you your pace. I'm sure apps too on phones.
Following that the old school way is you run a known distance and keep track of time, then you'll know if you need to pick it up or not.

>>32323825
Ok, ta.

>>32323803
Guy you replied to here,

i use the nike run app on my cell phone, it uses your gps location and calculates your distance/speed in a semi real time.

If you are on a relatively straight run its great, or on a curved track its great.

It fucks up if you have to take a left then right turn constantly every 5 feet and you'll get a shitty result. Go to a high school track (when no kids are there unless youre Zed) or just run innastreet. Its great.

>>32323954
I've got a really long, reasonably straight road near me. I'll give it a go. I have to be able to run 1.5 mile in 9:30. What pace will I need to run at?

power to weight ratio

you want to be as light as possible and as strong as possible and find the point inbetween

>>32322845
god, the autism

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>>32323954
This is a seriously good app fampai.

>>32322013
The soldiers in that pic look muscular to me. They don't use roids and doesn't "look" as muscular as nowadays gym abominations, but they are more muscular and healthier than the gym boys using roids, even if the soldiers are not too exhibitionist.

>>32324022
6:20

Did you not take middleschool math bro?

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>>32322013
Every extra lb you have on your person tracks about 2 seconds on to your mile time generally. When I lost wait, I couldn't believe how much faster I was running.

>>32325125
of course you ran faster if you stopped waiting

>>32325141
Kek.

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OPfag here.
Thank all who wrote constructive & metaphorical comments.

That's 4chan subboards in a nutshell... Finding a bit of gem in a pile of shit.
Sometimes it's worth the digging.
Goodnight.

>>32325881
>metaphorical comments.
Ment merits-related, sorry.

>>32322218
>2010

My sides are on fire

>>32325881
>metaphorical comments
Your metaphorically autistic

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>>32325941
Back in my day, we said at everyone we didn't like "you have down-syndrome".
Now it's "You're autistic".
Well, your stupid comment brings nothing to the table, so you can go fuck yourself, unless, that is, you aren't doing it right now.

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>>32322312
That is some fine wódka in deed, cheers, bro.

>>32322013
These are people who spent most of their lives outside, unlike today
They naturally were more fit

>>32325910
2005 original faggot, I'll take 2010 over red dot fags.

>>32326006
Get a life you manchild.

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What's the point of soldiers if they aren't sexy as fuck?

>>32326110
>get a life
The burden of proof is on you. Prove I don't have a life.

Wife & kids are asleep, I'm enjoying myself to a good game of BF1 with friends, while listening to a political lecture from my club. And to a bit of late night wódka. :)

Come on. Keep flapping them lips, son.

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>>32326114
>they aren't sexy as fuck?
Damn right, motherfucker*! :P

I'm gonna make a thread about it in two days, on Friday morning, EU time. :)
It's a good idea.


*by which I mean mate.

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>>32326114
There was a guy who looked like that in basic :3

Every time I saw him all I did was stare at him wide eyed. My dick was in pain as it was constantly erect, every time we'd be running or doing something and he'd be covered in sweat with the beating sun on his back with a fierce expression on his face. If I was running behind him I'd just stare at the sweaty shirt and the sweat dripping down his back

I remember I watched him take his shirt off once and he turned and saw me looking at me, and he smiled and my knees almost gave way. Needless to say I spent literally the whole night quietly jacking off

ahh good old days

>>32326168
So, family disregards you making you
-play vidya at your alleged age, populated by 12 yo kids no less
-listening to podcasts so at least someone 'talks to you'
-working on cirrhosis

You may not technically be dead but I don't see you having a life.

>>32326271
How old are you.

>>32326263
Did you fug him you fucking fag?

Being strong helps quite a bit in the military, there is a lot of times when stuff needs to be moved around. Plus you're going to have your own stuff to move around, and the times when you probably get stuck loading or unloading everybodies stuff.

it's like in real life, is there any advantage to being muscular? Most of life is designed to be easier so it doesn't take as much muscle to get shit done, it's not over rated it's just a nice perk if you happen to be

>>32326288
19
inb4 hurr durr you are just a child

>>32322126
You piece of shit, even 3-1 actual is less pathetic than you.

>>32322013
>men recruited from farmers

A lot of the workforce back then were farmers.

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>>32326320
>inb4 hurr durr you are just a child
No. You are not. It's ok. I remember when I was your age, believe me or not.
Fuck, I was raging back then too, shit, I do it occasionally still, because why not? :)
I don't want to get to "hurr durr wisdom age", but you'll get there yourself.
Sorry, Im slightly intoxicated, still listening to historical lecture about economical aspects of war of 1920.
Just try to NOT be a dick all the time, than you'll be fine. :)

>>32326382
Disregard that, I suck cocks.

>>32322013
Being /fit/ fit for special operations is retarded.
Better be ok fit and have outstanding cardio.
Arrive a point where more muscle at the wrong places just slows you down/give you a bigger profile

>>32322013
Read something articles by knowledgeable strength and conditioning coaches who have science backgrounds.

It's important to remember that what most people think constitutes 'training' is more-so just exercise. Genuine physiological training routines are far less likely to use terms like 'cardio' or 'weight lifting' or even 'strength training' and are far more likely to use things like 'anaerobic and aerobic capacity', 'anaerobic alactic vs lactate', 'strength endurance', 'anaerobic strength', 'aerobic strength' and generally look at things in terms of energy systems rather than separate things into this idea of 'cardio' or 'strength'. If you have a head for science you should really look into it, because once understood its very easily applied and very beneficial.

The most general consensus for military athleticism is this:

>Low intensity, long duration cardio should be the bulk of any CV training (heart rate in 130-150 bpm range during training,1-3 hours in duration, should be strongly prioritized until resting heart rate is < 55 bpm)

>Additional CV work should consist of a mixture of intensities and duration, biased toward the anaerobic energy end of the spectrum to offset the large bulk of aerobic work. This is a good opportunity for specificity (ie. DA units should have a good chunk of high intensity intervals to simulate things like climbing a wall or running from cover to cover)

>Strength training should focus on the legs, hips and trunk. Maximal strength and strength endurance are both important but specificity should be applied (unit that walks 50km over a mountain vs unit that needs to climb up the side of a ship using a rope)

>Increase in muscle surface area is usually a consequence of training rather than an objective. Some people will develop high muscle density unintentionally and others won't. The affect of increased muscle density on cardiac output is over exaggerated and more mass can be beneficial for rucking.

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>>32326114
jack, Having personal feelings about your comrades is one the worst sins you can commit.

>>32326290
he was straight unfortunately

Be pretty easy to spot SAS guys and the like pretending to be natives if they were all built like Dwayne Johnson.

>>32322093
Is his time really that bad? I do 5 miles in 50 minutes. 3 miles in 26 min 30 sec.

>>32327620
6 minute miles is Grade A.
Id say 8 minute miles if you're running 5.

>>32328024
Thanks, I'll strive for that. Not sure if I'll get there because I have pectus excavatum, but I'll sure as hell try.

A lot of them probably were buff before the war. The human body however, is naturally meant to be more lean. Under a lot of physical stress, and if you aren't doing "buff guy" exercises regularly, the human body becomes lean and more endurance based rather than "I BENCH 400 LBS BRO"

As a soldier, it is hard to maintain your buff bro gains if you are not sitting in a base eating and working out all day.

>>32326006
Greetings oldfag
Check em

>>32322013
Am 5'6 and only 56kg

Can lift 50 kg with one hand

Look skinny as hell but am incredibly shreaded when i am walking down the road with no shirt girls just giggle also people think i am small so start shit with me i try to walk away a teacher tried to push me away once she ended up on the floor it was laughable

>>32322013
Look at me i am Op i am a massive faggot lol

I also take it up the bum

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A lot of the pipe hitters nowadays are larger dudes. We have nutritionists and personal trainers to keep us in shape.

tl;dr - strength training has changed since ww2

>>32322013

If you look at OP, almost all of them have great looking musculature that was from a life of work. Just look at the biceps-shoulders. The issue that the modern world faces, is an overabundance of food given to children when they are small so they grow up fat, and their body metabolism is fucked.

The answer to this, is body building for most people since its normal and highly available to all and puts a huge caloric deficit up to maintain. However, the actual workout itself doesn't do very much. A furniture mover working 40hrs a week would burn 3k-4k calories a day EASY with upwards of 5k if they were busting their ass.

>>32328575
what does it even mean to lift 50 kg with one hand
like you can pick it up and hold it? because that's not very impressive

>>32322013

Historically, large and muscular soldiers have always been at a disadvantage.

Their own armies preferred to put the big guys on the heavy weapons, which made them prime targets. In WWII these guys had to carry the automatic rifles, machine guns, flamethrowers, etc. These individuals had a noticeably higher casualty rate than regular line infantry.

The other place they were noticeably disadvantaged was in prisoner of war camps. POWs were regularly starved and extremely malnourished. Death by starvation was common. Tall and broad men in particular died first, because their bodies just required more calories to keep going. Prisoners in the Russian Stalag camps received an average of 700 calories per day. Under these conditions a man's body efficiency is a huge factor in his overall survivability.

Although it hasn't happened in US military history for a long time, many soldiers have had to fight under starvation conditions. Here too, bodily efficiency is extremely important. Once malnourishment sets in you loose energy and vigor, your thinking muddles, your reactions degrade, etc. Starvation has been cited as a significant factor for why the Stalingrad pocket was as bad as it was- at a certain point the army literally didn't have the energy to attempt a breakout and save themselves.