Relationship between guns and Christians

>>32298297
Because the religious right has no concept of ideological consistency and doesn't give two shits about walking in the path of Christ.

Or because guns are cool, idk.

>>32298297
Thou shalt not murder is the more accurate translation.

>>32298334
IS it? A life is a life, you can't say it's only half.

>>32298297
>Thou shalt not kill
Bad translation, should say not murder
>Turning the other cheek
Long story short, this is about rejecting the idea that people are better than pne another based on class, wealth, etc. It's saying to only accept others treating you as an equal, has nothing to do with submitting to abuse
Also the bible is full of references not only to God's chosen people both conquering and defending, and commands to defend yourself with weaponry
>>32298316
>doesn't give two shits about walking in the path of Christ
When the money changers were engaging in their greed and trickery within the temple, Jesus made a bullwhip and chased their twink asses out. Owning weapons and using them in a righteous way in no way goes against the path of Christ

>>32298348
>IS it?
Yes
>A life is a life, you can't say it's only half.
Of course it's still a life.
At least until it dies.

>>32298297
Gay

>>32298370
Let he, who is without sin cast the first stone.

Because you have to pick Democrats or Republicans. That's the side the Christians got stuck with.

Actually, it's "thou shalt not murder"

There's literally nothing about killing.

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Do unto others, as they would do to you.

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Luke 22:36 "And He gathered His disciples around Him and said unto them,'guns are cool; he who doth know his gun doth know me."

>>32298389
Except he told that whore to fuck the hell off with her sin and come to god after he saved her life. He didnt justify her sin, or say "LOL ITS OK TO SIN SINCE LIKE EVERYONE DOES IT RITE?"

again read what anon said

Christ called the pharisees vipers
Matthew 23:33
Whipped merchants out of the temple
John 2:13-17
Told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy a sword
Luke 22:36

Jesus was not the pot smoking peace and love hippie that you degenerates make him out to be.

I want to know who made the meme of
>JAWSUS 3;16 LIKE DONT JUDGE OK GUIS?

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>>32298451

But do it first!

>>32298456
>again read what anon said
Make me hippie!

>>32298297
at the risk of a no true scotsman fallacy, it's probably because they're christian in name only. or they have some severely strange interpretation of scripture that supports a preservation of life.

a gun-toting christian is going to have the same intentions as any other person with a gun

Because Jebus was alive in Roman occupied Judea and he advocated paying taxes toward furthering the Roman Emperor’s military-industrial-complex and campaign of conquest over all of europe and asia

>>32298494
>or they have some severely strange interpretation of scripture that supports a preservation of life.

Explain how you think preserving your own life is unchristian

Amuse me

>>32298510
Ya see goy, preserving your own life isn't very tolerant for poor brown people.

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>>32298518
What a well thought out argument

Does anyone have that screencap where an anon pretty much beeaks down the whole "Nice Jesus" concept?

>>32298456
Don't judge was Matthew 7:1-3

>>32298297
>thou shall not kill

"Though shalt not murder" is a more accurate translation of the surviving texts. Both the new and old testaments frequently justify the use of lethal force in various scenarios.

>turning the other cheek

This is one of the most misinterpreted quips in world history. In ye olden days being slapped backhand was incredibly disrespectful, whereas a forehand slap wasn't quite as severe. By "turning the other cheek" (presenting your face at a different angle) you are forcing the person to show you slightly more respect than immediately prior. It's a subtlety lost on modern man. It should not in any way be interpreted as God demanding that you be a submissive bitch to someone aggressing on you.

Don't let anyone tell you that Christianity is a passive, pacifistic religion.

>>32298297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXlrqM1N9No

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Unlike Judaism and Islam Christianity decided to go more covert.

The twelve apostles especially follow this train of though by splitting up and creating clandestine churches. This is why pride frowned upon in the west. Showing who you are can get you killed. Especially when the the whole roman army and Jewish community is out to get you.

Its only when Christianity met paganism did this change. Even its still in upper limits of violence is when it is forgivable to kill.

Its better than the other two choices whole literally say goyim or infidel are less than dogs and can be killed.

Either way it says something when right of the bat, cock gargling UP, implies guns = violence.

If anything this fag needs to worry about himself

>you view the world as you view yourself

>>32298534
It's purely in the context of judging someone as an individual and their salvation.

You're supposed to rebuke peoples sinful behavior and judge righteously and correct people

John 7:24
James 5:20
Romans 10:6

You would literally have no progress just letting people be degenerate horse fuckers.

>>32298413
technically exodus 20, 15: 'ου φονευσεισ' is often translated 'shall not kill'. but φονεύω can mean either to kill , or to murder (intentionally).

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>>32298297
>it's a liberal acts ignorant while calling others ignorant episode

>>32298389
This

>>32298456
>Told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy a sword
Luke 22:36

So he could be charged as a leader of a rebellion and die in the cross...because that was his whole deal.

You didn't read the next verse did you?

>>32298510
If you die, it just means you got to heaven faster retard.

>>32298571
I voted for Trump actually.

I just never gave a damn about religion to find out.

>>32298579
Matthew 10:34
I come not to bring peace but a sword

They were going to charge him anyway, and this was his intention to begin with. It is not disingenuous, but if you honestly think that Christians are to be these nice docile little flowers, you're mistaken.

Psalms 144

>>32298580
And if you die without working for the glory of god you die for less than nothing.

Retard.

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What kind of gun would Jesus carry?

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>>32298580

>Atheists trying to tell christians what the bible means based on a couple of verses they read from r/atheism

>>32298594
>die without working for the glory of god
Stop right there.

Why is this an issue? You get eternal paradise without the hassle.

In fact, the world would be better off not knowing about god anyway because it's a free ticket to heaven.

>Muh morals
>muh wasted life
a possible 80 years on earth is NOTHING to an eternity in paradise.

Get fucked fag.

>>32298594
>are
That's the problem. You could behead a Mosque full of heathen Muslims. It won't charge the fact that the vast majority ARE peaceful docile weaklings who leave it all up to God.

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>>32298604
>Current year
>still believing in bullshit

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>>32298297
Checkmate conservitards

>>32298603
Flame thrower.

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Because there is literally nothing wrong with owning weapons and using them for defense of life, property, and freedom. Does not contradict anything in any religion whatsoever.

>>32298616
>Stop right there.
>Why is this an issue? You get eternal paradise without the hassle.
>In fact, the world would be better off not knowing about god anyway because it's a free ticket to heaven.

>better off not knowing god
2nd Thessalonians 2:8

Man youre trying really hard to rebuke god arent you?
Why does the mention of his name make you upset? what actually troubles you?

>>Muh morals
>>muh wasted life
>a possible 80 years on earth is NOTHING to an eternity in paradise.

While this is true, I doubt you are even attempting to see the main point.

>Get fucked fag.
I'll pray for you.

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>>32298642
That's... Actually quite fitting.

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>>32298626
>It won't charge the fact that the vast majority ARE peaceful docile weaklings who leave it all up to God.
yeah....

>>32298637
>current year
>believing in nothing

I bet youre one of those faggots that is actually satisfied with a minimum wage job, a waifu pillow and no other human contact.

What a waste of life it must be, having no higher purpose other than to die with nothing.

>>32298370
>Long story short, this is about rejecting the idea that people are better than pne another based on class, wealth, etc
No, it's not. That is a retarded anachronistic justification for violence. The passage is crystal clear:

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
>And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
>And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
>Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

It is obviously talking about nonviolence and passive acceptance.

>>32298671
>What a waste of life it must be, having no higher purpose
>if you don't believe in my magical sky wizard, you must believe in nothing and your life must be awful!
Are you sure you truly believe? Because it doesn't sound like it, with how hard you're projecting.

>>32298297
religious people are inherently stupid

>>32298510
killing a killer is still ending a life. if you're following the J man, all life is sacred so double-tapping Tyrone runs contrary to His teachings of forgiving tresspassers and all that jazz.
Keep in mind, if Tyrone breaks into my place, my only god is the /k/ube and he made his choice

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>>32298652
>I'll pray for you.
I thought we weren't supposed to boast about praying/pray in public.

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>>32298652
>rebuke god
Where am I saying god isn't real?

I'm not mad at god or anyone so stop playing the holier than thou card.

I merely stated how easy it would be to get into heaven if ignorance gets a free pass.

>B-but it's better to know god
Cool
>While this is true
Glad you see the fundamental flaw in your religion
>I'll pray for you.
You and the rest of the world

>>32298671
>believing in nothing
That's Nihilism retard
>I bet youre one of those faggots that is actually satisfied with a minimum wage job, a waifu pillow and no other human contact.
Identity politics? Really? Liberal tactics?
Push what you think I am onto me to make yourself feel better?

Pathetic.

>>32298687
I truly believe, but I also truly you are living in hell and dont truly know it.

The black pill is a hollow place once you realize how really bad off the entire world is and how far we have fallen in convenient decadence.

>how hard youre projecting
is that all you really have to say back? Sky wizard and projecting? Do you have a real argument to make or do you really even stand for anything at all? Do you just exist?

>>32298710
>REAL argument
>I bet youre one of those faggots that is actually satisfied with a minimum wage job, a waifu pillow and no other human contact

This is a srs debate fags.

>>32298700
Spoken like a true imbecile. You've never even read the bible.

>>32298706
And I thought you werent supposed to put any gods before god, but I guess you fucked that one up huh bud?

>>32298710
You sure seem like a hate and spite filled person desu

>>32298710
>Do you have a real argument
You're the one claiming your ridiculous bronze-age superstitions are real, and you have the nerve to ask others for arguments? Put forward some yourself, and then we'll talk.

>>32298698
I'm not religious and I think you're stupid

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>OP asks mildly ignorant post
>Thread degenerates into cockfight between Christcucks and Neckbeards
GEE didn't see that coming!

>>32298725
believe what you want, it doesn't change anything

>>32298708
>I'm not mad at god or anyone so stop playing the holier than thou card.
Never said it, never played it, but if someones faith intimidates you that much maybe you need to re-evaluate yourself or go binge watch the amazing banana to make you feel better.

>I merely stated how easy it would be to get into heaven if ignorance gets a free pass.
very few people in the 1st world are ignorant to them, nor would they have the faith to purposefully kill themselves in order to specifically go to heaven, a heaven they are ignorant of existing.

Unless that isnt your argument, because if it is its incredible stupid.

>Glad you see the fundamental flaw in your religion
Killing yourself doesnt get you to heaven, I merely said that 80 years =/= paradise

>Identity politics? Really? Liberal tactics?
>Push what you think I am onto me to make yourself feel better?
>P-pathetic
Im sorry I called you out, I'll call tumblr to let them know in advance I hurt your fee fees

If its not the case then you would have said so, not got defensive as a 14 year old getting his porn collection called out.

>>32298748
It's not even that
It's christfags and some schizophrenic Christian who thinks Christianity denounces peace and love

>>32298673
Underrated post

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>>32298389
That was said because according to the Hebraic law, you had to kill both the adulterer and adulteress together. The adulterer was possibly with the executioners. Oh, btw, that passage is not in the original manuscript.

>>32298706
If that's boasting, then Hillary Clinton is the world expert of server security.

>>32298708
>if ignorance gets a free pass.
It doesn't.
>Glad you see the fundamental flaw in your religion
That's a flaw?

>>32298737
>Put forward some yourself, and then we'll talk.
Why the hell should we waste our time when the debate is dead on arrival.

>You're the one claiming your ridiculous bronze-age superstitions are real
Jeez, that sure sounds like a open minded, clear thinking person. Clearly, you are the most reasonable of men.

>>32298673
I was raised to believe that this passage is not about non-violence, but that it was about giving to others who you can see truly need it.
If a man be so petty and so needy to add sue you for your coat clearly he is more needing of it than you and who are you a child of God and someone who follows the path to be better than him or anything but if he'd be worse than you would it not be your place to help him?

>>32298297
Because you are ignorant of it and assume we are prohibited from self defense. Also post reeks of ignorance.

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>>32298770
>even more identity politics
Of course you'd have tumblr on speed dial, you sound just like them.
Never change Christcuck

>>32298725
>And I thought you werent supposed to put any gods before god, but I guess you fucked that one up huh bud?
No, sorry, but it was an honest question. Also, you seem to think I'm someone else.

I still want to address what you said. Does that mean we can worship other gods as long as we worship Jesus foremost?

>>32298736
Quite the opposite, I hate the actions of men but love them as people because they are all children of god.

ex. I have hate and spite for the act of sodomy not the sodomite

>>32298737
>You're the one claiming your ridiculous bronze-age superstitions are real
How cute, come back when youre not so grumpy, try drinking tea, high blood pressure is bad for you anon.

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>>32298786
>Of course you'd have tumblr on speed dial,
That projection

>>32298786
>christcuck
>coming from someone who enables actual cuckolds

hmmm....

>>27429060
Friendly reminder

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>>32298529
Gotcha sempai

>>32298791
>I still want to address what you said. Does that mean we can worship other gods as long as we worship Jesus foremost?

If its an honest question.

Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters

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>>32298801
Oh please anon, it was but your mouth that spoke of it, not I.
Birds of a feather flock together.
>>32298806
Your wife loves God more than you.

Who's the real cuck anon?

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>>32298737
I'm pretty sure Aquinas's logic is still as valid today as it was back then.

>>32298774
>open minded, clear thinking person.
How open minded are you to Islam? To Buddhism? To Zoroastrianism? To Neopaganism? To Hinduism? You don't exactly have the high ground here m8.

>most reasonable of men
When someone proposes, without any evidence but ancient writings, that a jewish holy man was able to violate known laws of physics left and right, I take that to be a pretty extraordinary claim. Such a claim requires extraordinary evidence, so forgive me for having a high fucking standard when it comes to this kind of thing.

>>32298777
And the part about rejecting "an eye for an eye" and instead turning the other cheek? The interpretation posted >>32298774 is absolutely retarded, because it completely ignores the bit about Hammurabic law being bad.

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>>32298529
Get these numale, lukewarm, neverbeenrighteouslyangry people out of my sight;

>>32298822
>Your wife loves God more than you.
>Who's the real cuck anon?
Since I love god the same and it is the love associated with worship and not mortal flesh?

No one.

Leave it to a pagan to equivocate all love to sex.

>>32298824
>Aquinas's """proofs"""
>logic
Pick one and only one.

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>>32298831
It's not about sex anon.

If your wife was asked to leave you in the name of god, she'd do it.

I'm speaking in the metaphorical sense. christ[spoiler]cuck[/spoiler]

>>32298777
Jesus trips confirm

>>32298777
There's a reason early christians martyred themselves like crazy, it's the whole concept of "revolutionary subordination"

>>32298847
Not that guy but if cuck is your only argument than you just look like a retard,also marriage is an instituition blessed by God,so he will not ask a wife to leave her husband, monogamy is important theologically speaking

>>32298847
>If your wife was asked to leave you in the name of god, she'd do it.
>I'm speaking in the metaphorical sense.

>cuck

Is that the numale word for something you dont like but cant bring a valid reason to the table?

>>32298856
That ended pretty quick, since subsequent Christians realized that universal martyrdom would be a great way to make the religion go extinct. So they satisfied themselves by paying homage to the martyrs but largely avoiding pacifism, which led to the modern equivocation of Christians who support self-defense (and even offense) while claiming to follow Jesus' teachings.

It's understandable, since Jesus-style pacifism is retarded and unsustainable. It's just that the historical and theological revisionism of modern-day Christians is pathetic. The fundamental assumption is that anything Jesus was reported to have said was perfect and deliberate, so they'll go through as much mental gymnastics as possible to make it so that Jesus was saying things in line with their own particular ideals.

>>32298822
> it was but your mouth that spoke of it
I'm not that anon, anon.

Damn, why are you projecting so hard?

>>32298826
I never said I was open minded myself, and I don't pretend to be.

>Such a claim requires extraordinary evidence
Why? Who said? How do you know this is the right standard?

>because it completely ignores the bit about Hammurabic law being bad.
No where in that passage does Jesus say that law was bad.

>>32298847
>That failed spoiler
>Fedora tipper can't even lurk more.

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Jesus was not an advocate of nonviolence. He never said a word about it. In fact, we have him on record behaving violently -- in all four gospels. While he often avoided violence, this does not mean he taught an ethic of non-violence.

If we are going to set the record straight, we need to look at those parts of the gospels that are used to support the non-violence claim, as well as those that refute it.

Jesus taught, "If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also" (Matthew 5:39). However, the word used here is the Greek ῥαπíζω (hrapizo), which refers here to an open hand strike. Jesus is saying, "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to him the other." This is not about self-defense at all; a slap in the face is an assault on your honor. Jesus was prohibiting escalation, not a response to a violent assault.

>tl;dr read the bible. It's packed from cover to cover with hardcore men of god who slayed their enemies without mercy or remorse. In fact, nearly every man featured in the bible was literally a soldier, a warlord, a tactician, or a murderer.

>>32298868
Alright but if their only argument is
>Neckbeard
>Fedora
>virgin
Then they are literally not holier than thou

>>32298878
>cuck
>numale word
>word re-purposed to specifically insult numales
Anon at least TRY

>>32298884
>so they'll go through as much mental gymnastics as possible to make it so that Jesus was saying things in line with their own particular ideals.

Matthew 10:34 "I come not to bring peace but a sword"

What kind of mental gymnastics is that then?

>>32298885
I don't even know how it failed.

[spoiler]I even used the ctrl+s shortcut and everything.[/spoiler]

>>32298889
Not an argument

>>32298888
The lord has blessed thee with holy quads.

>>32298898
Spoilers aren't enabled on /k/.

>>32298898
Okay, I give up. Good night /k/>>32298907
Fuck this board.

>>32298835
It's not a proof in the way you probably expect a proof. Nothing is really proven when we get down to it. Even believing our sensory experience requires a leap of faith in logical terms. Anyway, Aquinas was correct. Deal with it.

>>32298885
>I never said I was open minded myself, and I don't pretend to be.
So why on earth did you take it upon yourself to cast the first stone?

>how do you know this is the right standard?
Because any lesser standard will require you to believe anything anyone claims, on merit of them merely claiming it. You obviously don't do this, so I don't see why you expect anyone else to.

>No where in that passage does Jesus say that law was bad.
>Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also
>that ye resist not evil
How can you be a Christian if you don't even bother to read the Bible?

>>32298297
Christain here. You guys are all missing one thing

>"If you do not have a pair of sandals, sell your donkey to buy a pair of sandals. If you do now have a sword, sell the tunic off your back and buy a sword"
Or something like that

2 cheeks is enough. After that, im fucking you up.

Havnt you ever heard of the expression "fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice shame on you, fool me thrice, im going to kick you ass"? Same concept.

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>>32298888
dem quads

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=7CI7ePvs9ao

Reminder that Christ not only condoned violence against evil, but COMMANDS you to drive the wicked from this world by any means necessary.

The book is full of contradictions and none of them have read it anyway

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>>32298925
Then there shall be no mercy for the wicked.

>>32298914
>>No where in that passage does Jesus say that law was bad.
>>Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
>>But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also
>>that ye resist not evil
>How can you be a Christian if you don't even bother to read the Bible?

Have you read the thread at all?

>>32298673

also how can you claim someone doesn read the bible when you dont read at all?

>>32298926
>says the one who hasnt read it
Have you been to church lately? Catholics literally only read out of the boble. Penticostal church interpret, and black people preach it.

Learn to argue with facts first, before spitting your shit, son.

>>32298897
>What kind of mental gymnastics is that then?
Olympic-level.

>Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.
>But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
>Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword.
>For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
>a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household
You suppose that Jesus was talking about how he was going to slaughter family members with his sword, or incite them to kill each other?

>>32298910
>nothing is really proven
>Aquinas was correct
ok

>>32298926
Neither have you based on your post

>>32298897
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]

That passage says that even enemies could Ben united in Christ and friends could be divided if they weren't believers. Basically the same thing as "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb". It's not even about violence.

>>32298935
>Have you read the thread at all?
Have you put forward any arguments at all?

Protip: no, you haven't. Feel free to start at any time.

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>>32298926
>The book is full of contradictions
nope and you would know that had YOU read it
>none of them have read it anyway
Projecting

>>32298297
Look what you've started. This is /anti-pol/ now.

>>32298939
Catholics are heretics

>>32298916
You are grossly misinterpreting both of those verses... but you have roughly the right idea.

>>32298947
I beat you to it >>32298941

>>32298954
>trying to claim credit on an anonymous board

Fresh from reddit I see

>>32298940
>or incite them to kill each other?
No the devil does that.

Youre the only one doing gymnastics here.

>>32298953
Oh, sorry. I was trying to keep it simple. Its obvious thats what this thread is made for, simple people. I can be more poetic, if you'd like.

No sarcasm, btw, even though it sounds like it.

This thread is literally filled with simpltons.

>>32298950
Protestants=heretics
Catholics=heretics
Orthodoxy=The One True Church

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>>32298945
>Have you put forward any arguments at all?
As if that is an argument.

>>32298914
>So why on earth did you take it upon yourself to cast the first stone?
Sorry, I have a habit for throwing rocks at brick walls.

>Because any lesser standard will require you to believe anything anyone claims, on merit of them merely claiming it.
So when thousands of 1st and 2nd century Christians died, while putting great shame on themselves and their families, did this for a falsehood that was easily verifiable back then?

Besides, you still haven't quite answered my question: why is this standard right?

>You obviously don't do this
You don't how I became a Christfag. You obviously never even begun to research apologetics of any kind. That's understandable, very few atheists/agnostics do, and those that do don't remain atheists

>if you don't even bother to read the Bible?
You telling me this when you didn't even read the thread.

>>32298959
>This thread is literally filled with simpltons.
>Thus saith the tripfag

>>32298961
>even though the first church, the true church, were penticosts

>not to mention the spirit moves, it doesnt stand still. God is a living beign, not an image on some knight stand to smile at and sya thanks to.
>his word flows, and doesnt return to him without something being done
>and yet, these pherocies are the one true church
Ok

>>32298947
Genesis 1
>God makes Adam after he makes animals
Genesis 2
>God makes Adam before he makes animals

Your book fails right off th bat.

>>32298972
You've already astablished that you havnt read the book, please stop posting. Youre hurting the people who bring logic to this thread on "your side" of the argument.

Reminder that god is weaker than chariots

>>32298976
>says the one who cant spell right
Jesus help mah souull

Seriously, though. I got a new phone and the auto correct was worse than the Iphones.

>>32298972
Just looked it up,so what translation are you using?

>>32298983
>>32298972
You shoukd probably stop. Its not shit posting any more. Youre taking away from the experience of shit posting for everyone.

>>32298976
Not an argument. Address what he said

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>>32298940
>ok
How far down do you think raw logic can go? Is it the proverbial turtles all the way down? No. At the bottom there is Truth.

>>32298989
Not an argument

>>32298990
How can i address ehat he said? Do you want me to post the entire book of genesis? Should i post to you ALL of the verses that contradict his argument?

Or should you read them for yourself instead of listning to a scrub on 4chan?

Faggot.

>>32298958
>the devil does that
So we agree, Jesus was not literally coming to bring violence down on people.

>>32298970
>did this for a falsehood that was easily verifiable back then?
How would it have been verifiable? In the 2nd century, no extant person was alive who knew Jesus. It was all based on hearsay. Belief, as you know, is a powerful thing. But powerful belief does not make something true.

Again, if you're not willing to provide an argument as to why your god is real and everyone else's is bullshit, then we aren't going to get anywhere.

>>32298976
>doesn't address the argument
pls

>>32298986
KJV

>>32298992
>at the bottom there is Truth
This Truth, conveniently, happens to revolve around the life of a long-dead Jewish necromancer, whose exploits were recorded decades after he was around?

>>32298993
I wasnt arguing. Im legit telling you, you sound more idiotic than the pope.

Just stop.

>>32298997
>I cant refute what he said so please go do my research for me

Not an argumen

>>32298972
Genesis 1: Creation of the world and world animals in general

Genesis 2: Creation of man, Eden, and the animals of eden in particular

See what happens when you start using your brain?

>>32298983
>Said pharaoh before trying to cross the Red Sea

I'm getting bored of fedora tipping shenanigans. Plus I got to work soon. Can we wrap this up?

>>32299003
Not an argument

>>32298999
>KJV
Literally one of worst translation

>>32299005
This guy confirmed a legitimate retard.

>bah, i cant into googlefu to check to see if i was right or not when i talked before thinking
Im not going to do YOUR research. What you are asking is unreasonable.

If you want a start, try at least reading all the way through Genesis.

>>32299013
Not an argument

>>32298999
>This Truth, conveniently, happens to revolve around the life of a long-dead Jewish necromancer, whose exploits were recorded decades after he was around?
That's not what Aquinas showed. If I didn't know better, I would say you were being intellectually dishonest.

>>32299018
Not an argument

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>>32298297
Because Sniper Jesus tells us it's okay to kill assholes who need to fucking die.

>>32298348
Yes it is. לא תרצח in the source.

>>32299019
Not an argument

>>32299024
Did he tell you that jerking off to traps is okay as well?

>>32299032
No, sorry. He destroyed 2 cities over it, i dont think its ok.

>>32299013
As an Ancient Greek translator, I find it the closest of the parts I've analyzed.

T. Atheist

>>32299028
>not an argument
Not a valid argument.

Please provide me with a reasonable counter to me statements and i'll inteligently reply to you.

>>32299034
Then why does Phil do it?

>>32298997
>ALL of the verses that contradict his argument?
Those verses, if they even existed, would not contradict the argument, because they cannot resolve the contradiction that is written.

>>32299010
>And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: mand let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
> And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; mI will make him an help †meet for him. 19 nAnd out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and obrought them unto ||Adam to see what he would call them

So God created animals everywhere except Eden, and then he decided to create some for Adam? I guess that's one way of weaseling out of the contradiction.

>>32299018
>What you are asking is unreasonable.
As opposed to asking people to believe in literal magic like you are? Huh.

>>32299021
That principle was underlying all of Aquinas' actions. He was not just some deist philosopher who rationally came to the conclusion that an entity (or entities) of supreme power must be the prime cause of everything. He was a Christian first, and created his "proofs" by working his way backward from that conclusion.

>>32299041
I somehow doubt you're capable

>>32299043
Phil ossiferz stone? Because that mans a faggot

>>32299048
>entity (or entities)
>(or entities)
lol so you don't understand it then

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>>32298297
The bible pretty much has a fucking flow chart about when it is and isn't okay to kill a home invader dumbass

How people can reconcile being a white racist and worshipping a middle eastern religion is a better question

>>32299060
Having multiple gods of equal power is perfectly valid within the bounds of the arguments Aquinas put forward.

>>32299071
Actually it's not. At all.

>>32299052
I have seen you clearly are not, so no. I am not capable, because you have not provided a reasonable counter-argument to anything in this thread.

What i see is your unwillingness to beleive in the unseen, and general butthurtness caused by a parent or a loved ine. And im sorry, but that doesnt excuse your retardness.

And as for you, >>32299048
Those versus do exist. Go to any store that sells a bible and you can read them.

>As opposed to asking people to believe in literal magic like you are? Huh
I beleive in Christianty, not wiccah. If youre looking for that, id seek help.

Asking someone to put faith in ehat they cant see isnt unreasonable, it happens virtually everyday.

People make companies, ask for stocks, and people put their faith in the company, hoping for a better return than what they put in. How is this differant from Christianity? All God is asking you to do is put a little faith in him and see what he can do, just as an investor does.

>>32298999
>How would it have been verifiable?

>Jesus never rose from the dead.
>Apostles wouldn't dare fight the Roman guards to steal the body
>"Hey some idiot is trying to start a Jesus cult, they said he was rose from the dead or something."
>"That Jesus fella said to die for him too"
>Screw that, we have the body
>Everyone goes to the tomb
>They open the tomb
>They see the body
>Opps, so much for that
Again, thousands of 1st century Jews, Syrians, and Greeks wouldn't die for a myth.

>>32299048
>So God created animals everywhere except Eden, and then he decided to create some for Adam?
That's unreasonable?

>Huh.
He said he's not going to do your fucking research.

This is you:
>Hurr durr, if I don't look up those nifty apologists, read those cool Bible scholars, and do my fucking research, I can still pretend Christans believe in a magical space daddy. LOL

>>32298297
Kill? I don't plan on killing anyone.
I plan on stopping them in the most efficient manner available
Luckily that method is actually the least likely method to end in anyone being harmed or killed, too!

>>32299081
Throwing your money out without any evidence or basis isn't investing, it's gambling at best

>>32299061
>pretty much has a fucking flow chart about when it is and isn't okay to kill a home invader dumbass
It does. It goes like this
>is the home invader evil?
>"do not resist evil"

>>32299074
Actually it is. So long as all gods are perfectly equal, and have an exactly equal part of every
action they do (at the same time, naturally), then they hold within his framework. This makes them functionally no different than a single god, but that's not the issue here. Wars were fought over such minor details of the nature of the Trinity, so it's a significant point.

>during the bush years 4chan trolled the shit out of religious people and was filled with militant athiests
>after 8 yeara of obama it's now considered counterculture to be christian

It's fucking weird seeing people acting religious on an anime site full of porn and gore

>>32298909
Top kek, did you come to this board just to shit it up with your fedora tipping?

>>32299081
>people put their faith in the company, hoping for a better return than what they put in.
The difference is that the company is right in front of them. It doesn't promise literal magic. It doesn't claim to break all known laws of physics.

If you think that shit is reasonable, I have a bridge to sell you.

>>32299082
>Apostles wouldn't dare fight the Roman guards to steal the body
>Roman guards were stationed in front of the tomb 24/7, never had any gaps during a change of the guard, couldn't have been bribed or otherwise led away from their post, etc.
There are plenty of plausible explanations for how a body could have disappeared.

>that's unreasonable?
Yes, in that it is a strange design choice for an allegedly perfect designer. If it were just some guy doing it, I'd chalk it up to him being absentminded in the planning stage, but forgive me if I hold a perfect being to the standard of perfection.

>>32299095
>Actually it is.
When you have time I want you to watch this.

https://youtu.be/qJ2oY7nvM-M

>>32299097
4chan is counterculture, and counterculture is necessarily reactive to predominant culture.

>>32299113
How and in what way is God magic? Are you refering to healing people? God made us, he can sure as hell put us back together when we fall apart.

Are you refering to him making us? He made the dust, he sure as hell can make something out of it.

Are you refering to making the dust? Magic can't make something out of nothing. Stop beleiving in the kid version of magic, that all redirection, son. Non of that is real.

Are you refering to him being there at all? Now youre just refusing to beleive in him because youre stubborn. Which, in that case, theres no point arguing. Youre just going to use the same logic as before. Youre not changing your argument, your reusing a stale idea.

Gg, m8. You win. Not because i dont beleive, but becaus eyou've out retarded me. And beleive me, i know i was retarded for some of it.

>>32298297
You only have two cheeks retard, Jesus isn't saying be a total cuck and let Islam dominate you.

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>>32299131
>yfw Eroupe didnt get that memo

>>32299130
Magic is all the stuff Jesus/God is alleged to be able to do. Imagine a regular person with these abilities. What would you call it?

>Are you refering to him being there at all?
Ultimately yes, because this is the fundamental assumption. Refusing to believe this is not stubbornness any more than your refusal to believe in Krishna is. It's skepticism. It's the demand for evidence from the person who proposes an idea. That evidence has yet to be presented.

>>32299113
>There are plenty of plausible explanations for how a body could have disappeared.
>Roman guards were stationed in front of the tomb 24/7
You just implied there were changes of guards.
>never had any gaps during a change of the guard
Pretty much
>couldn't have been bribed or otherwise led away from their post
On pain of death yeah

>Plausible
Like what? I've heard them all.

>Yes, in that it is a strange design choice for an allegedly perfect designer.
How does doing actions for symbolic gesture imply imperfection?

>but forgive me if I hold a perfect being to the standard of perfection.
There are no standards in the godless world. But why does a choice to accomplish something aesthetically imply imperfection? You are starting to make less sense the more you post. Are you tired? Need to a break?

>>32299151
>Pretty much
>>couldn't have been bribed or otherwise led away from their post
>On pain of death yeah
This is based on what, exactly? The written report of the officer in charge of the guards? An investigative journalist on a stakeout of the tomb?

>symbolic gesture
This is a cop-out and you know it. I ascribe deliberate intent to every single mistake I ever make by claiming it's symbolic, or motivated by a deeper meaning that you simply cannot fathom. If you dismiss all standards with which we can measure god, then you are simply declaring that he is perfect and it must be accepted just because. It's explicitly not an argument, it is a just-so statement.

>>32299146
Well, a doctor can heal someone. Does that mean he uses magic? And magic cant raise people from the dead. And its not a person using magic, its through God we raise people from the dead and geal the sick.

>that evidence has yet to be presented
Well, youre not going to find it in the sciences of man, now are you? Youre looking in the wrong places, friend. You should really open your eyes more.

Anyway, im done. See ya, m8

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>>32299182
>This is based on what, exactly?
Ancient historians:
http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Polyb1.html

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-3.html (Look at Chp. 5)

>I ascribe deliberate intent to every single mistake
Why do you keep calling what God did in Genesis 2 a mistake? You still haven't given me your criteria for this. Nobody in all my readings but you and that other anon has ever argued that, for a good reason

>motivated by a deeper meaning
It's not that deep: man is the crown of creation. 2Deep4You apparently.

>If you dismiss all standards with which we can measure god
I don't deny any standard. I'm only saying you don't have any, let alone any good standard.

I gotta go to work. Had fun debating. May God soften your heart and have a good day.

>>32299146
the archaic meaning of the word magic is a supernatural effect through consorting with demons, devil, ect. While god grants miracles and blessings. So the only real difference is the source of the supernatural effect.

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>>32299095
>Actually it is.
I may have been too eager to appear correct here >>32299126
I'm looking into the Thomistic problems with the Trinity just to make sure.

>>32298604
I read it, your book is shit. New Testament is literally a fanfic.

>>32298710
>but I also truly you are living in hell and dont truly know it.
Even if your bullshit was true (it isn't), I'm enjoying this life so how does it matter? Last I checked hell was supposed to be bad.

>>32298297

The Lord gives me dominion over animals, to care for and to eat. Bambi will gore me if I try to hug him to death.

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