>only two missles

>>32296390
I want to put my dick in that plane.

Sexually.

>>32296390
when it's carrying a JDAM(s)...... IIRC newer blocks will have the ability to carry more internally, not to mention on pylons

>>32296390
>>only two missles

Let's ignore the two motherfucking JDAMs right there ok

>only two JDAMs

>>32296390
Yeah but look, it also carries two really huge orange missiles that are just as good as a bunch of othere missiles.

>>32296390
Get a load of this guy. He has never served in ace combat. Doesnt even know about missile count. Kek.

Bro, my virtual kill count is in the millions. Ive been training since I was knee high to a mario. The road I walk is paved in my slain enemies.

Come back when you have had some life experience and know what you are talking about, noob.

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>>32296390

>>32296390
can we just melt all f35s into scrap and use them to build f22s?

>>32296725
u can't melt stealth beams

>>32296750
kek

>>32296632

This.

The doors close and you get two more each time.

>>32296718
congrats, you just negated all benefits of the aircraft and wasted trillions of dollars for nothing.

>>32296863
one trillion for the entire planned life for all air frames and even with all that extra stuff, it still has a lower cross section than a Super Hornet, F-15 or F-16.

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We just mad those to sell.

This is our future the f/a-37

the designer of the f35 should be hung

>>32297004
why?

>>32296863
>I know nothing about how reduced RCS works or what makes the F-35 a flying rape machine

>>32297004
>the designer
>implying the F35 hasn't been the result of the cumulative effort of hundreds if not thousands of engineers

>>32297110
external hard-points make it as visible as current aircraft.

>>32297169
awful, take a lap

https://theaviationist.com/?p=40658

> It was my first flight at Edwards AFB Jan ’16. I got in the airplane and started it up. I was still on the deck and there were apparently other F-35s airborne – I believe USAF, I was not aware. I was a single ship, just supposed to go out and get familiar flying the aircraft. As the displays came alive there were track files and the SA as to what everyone else was doing in the airspace, and I was still on the ground. I mean, I hadn’t even gotten my take-off clearance yet. I didn’t even know where it was coming from. It was coming from another F-35. The jet had started all the systems for me and the SA was there. That was a very eye opening moment for me.

> In a 4th Gen fighter you must do a whole lot of interpretation. You see things in azimuth, and you see things in elevation. In the F-35 you just see the God’s eye view of the whole world. It’s very much like you are watching the briefing in real time.

> In the F-35 I know where the threats are, what they are and I can thread the needle. I can tell that the adversary is out in front of me and I can make a very, very smart decision about whether to continue or get out of there. All that, and I can very easily switch between mission sets.

> I was leading a four ship of F-35s on a strike against 4th Gen adversaries, F-16s and F/A-18s. We fought our way in, we mapped the target, found the target, dropped JDAMs on the target and turned around and fought our way out. All the targets got hit, nobody got detected, and all the adversaries died. I thought, yes, this works, very, very, very well. Never detected, nobody had any idea we were out there.

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>>32296390
LMAO it can't even fire both missiles at the same time because they'll collide. They should just buy Chinese.

>>32297266
>I have no idea how missiles work
fixed that for you

>>32297004
Why would some nerd have a big dick?

>>32296508
>He did not know that JDAMs are bombs

Hehe

>>32297249
>Nice fictional story

>>32296390
>implying it will ever fire them except maybe in extremely controlled testing

>>32297169
>need stealth
>remove external pylons
>????
>profit!

>>32296390
Ace Combat led me to believe there should be at least 100 missiles on jets

>>32297169
no, they don't

>>32297480
>He doesn't understand what carrying bombs means in relation to missile payload.

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>>32296863
Well the plan is to take out the air defenses and achieve air superiority using stealth. Then bomb the motherfuckers with all you can carry.

>>32296390
Cant the f35 hold 4 missiles internally and then 4 on each wing?

>>32297598
>He doesn't know those pylons can't carry missiles because there is no line of sight.

>>32298038
4 AMRAAM in the bay, up to 6 under the wings.

>>32298070
>he doesn't know what lock on after launch is

>>32298157
>He has lock on after launch in a stealth fighter

>>32296390
Remind me of that brit "bomber destroyer" jet that only had two missiles and nothing more. Ridiculous.

>>32296925
Looks like a pancake.

>>32298246
>he doesn't have lock-after-launch in his stealth fighter
Then again, the PAK-FA is a Su-27 with a body kit made to scam India.
Can't expect soviet cold war tech to hold a candle to tech made in the civilized world.

>>32298503
>Ridiculous
If you badmouth the English Electric Lightning I'll shiv you bitch.

It was also not that uncommon to only carry two missiles in that era, guns where still thought to be the main armament of the fighters back when they where designed.

>>32298549
Looks like I had incomplete information, tho.
It got two missiles and 2 (to 4) cannons. Not so bad overall.
Sorry.

>>32298038
2 internally right now. 4 eventually. possibly 6 in the future.

And up to 6 under the wing.

>>32296467
>not to mention on pylons

not to mention indeed. Not to mention because pylon carry is fucktarded. If you're going to carry A2A missiles on pylons, why bother with the expensive gen5 bullshit anyway?

>>32298665
That's a good question.

The first thing to understand is that building any aircraft with modern equipment in this day and age is going to be expensive. We could not, for example, buy new F-16s for the cost we paid in 1990.

The second thing to understand is that the US has a tremendous number of aircraft in the F-15, F-16 and F-18 fleet to replace. A single versatile aircraft to replace a large number of these is going to be a very expensive and large order, but reduces the price per aircraft. We have to buy new aircraft. The new craft will be expensive, so we may as well get 5th generation features in the bargain. It would be penny wise and pound foolish to do otherwise.

Next: Why pylon carry?

Even with weapons on the pylons the F-35's stealth features are not comply compromised, but you are right to point out that this does degrade the stealth features. It has no effect on the avionics and interface systems of the F-35, or it's ability to go far on internal fuel.

There are a lot of situations where the ability to carry more stores will outweigh maintaining uncompromised stealth features. The pylons represent an option.

>>32298665

Because 5th gen is about more than stealth, the situational awareness, and connectivity is a large part.

Having external stores increases your RCS but it is still lower than it would otherwise be.

Some aircraft in an air battle may hang back and act as missile batteries for fighters in a fully stealthy configuation further ahead.

After using the eternal stores, the pylons themselves may be jettisoned to attain a more stealthy configuration if desired (though admittedly some connection points will be less stealthy than if it were "clean" from takeoff). here is a picture of a F-22 jettisoning its external tanks and pylons. https://theaviationist.com/2014/08/08/f-22-fuel-tanks-jettison/

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12 missiles, better range and kinetic performance than a Aim-120C

>>32299092
Pretty much this.

Plus, with our avionics packages, we can kill shit way before it sees us

>>32299308
Woah, I had no idea this was a thing.

I've been wondering for a while if "micro missiles" would be a viable idea nowadays, since guidance systems are so much smaller and more accurate now than they were a few decades ago. I guess L-M thinks so.

I also wonder if it might make sense to go even further and have a fuckload of tiny missiles, like dozens of tallboy beer can-sized ones, and just spam them instead of firing one bigass missile. I doubt it could replace an AIM-120 but at Sidewinder ranges it might work. It'd be interesting to see somebody work numbers on that concept.

>>32299308
>Better range than a missile retired and replaced in 2002
We're on D now champ

>>32299664
We still use 120C's bud, they're being replaced through attrition just like the B model

>>32296863
This is just ignorance. That plane is still significantly stealthier than similarly equipped 4th gen aircraft: it is harder to shoot down bother for RCS and electronic reasons. It is also carrying a better bomb/fuel mix than legacy aircraft. It also has better everything: radar, electronic warfare, sensors, UI. It even performs better aerodynamically when compared to 4th gen aircraft carrying the same amount of fuel and weapons. It is better in every fucking way.

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>>32296432

Cargo planes are hotter.

They're fat.

>>32296390
>having to shoot more than twice to destroy your target
stay salty, Chink

>>32296750

That steel beam conspiracy theory is total bull.

Metal weakens if you get it hot enough. It doesn't have to melt for the structural integrity to be compromised.

It's like these crazies didn't study in school. Sufficient heat weakens the strength of metal, and thus it can no longer hold up what it is supporting.

>>32299735
still can't melt the beams

>>32298503
that's one bumpy pancake
also doesn't a flatter shape help reduce radar detection?

>>32297514

If by "extremely controlled testing" you mean the Taiwan Strait, then yes.

>>32299735
Significant heat turns your mum in a wet mess down thur if u know wut I'm sayin

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>Oh vey! We need more money to fix this!

>>32297169
>Yfw it can carry the same weapons payload and even more fuel all internally than a fully loaded F-16 with drop tanks.

It can ignore the external pylons and still have the same payload and much greater range than the F-16. Not to mention all the sensors and stealth advantages.

>>32299748

Doesn't matter. The structure collapses because the heat sufficiently weakened the load-bearing ability of the metal.

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>>32296863

>Oh no the enemy has anti air systems
>Send F35s with stealth loadout and growlers
>okay the AA is gone
>send f35s with full load out to bomb muslims

>>32299809

That's more of a "bomb chinks" capability.

>>32298070
>line of sight
>AMRAAM

>>32299830
Honestly most of the people who criticize the F-35 are people who are stuck in the 80's or 90's in terms of fighter technology and how fighter combat works.

Inb4 it's just a video game, but even anyone who has spent any time playing DCS and flying a fighter understands just how amazing the F-35 is. Like knowing what flying a 4th gen fighter involves, with the sensors and avionics and everything, and then seeing what the F-35 has.....it's like cheating.

>>32299883
New guy here, i agree 100%

One thing that i have been keeping to myself, is that im afraid training will naturally degrade due to how easy it is to fly and fight in the f-35.

>>32299715
ooh ooh

pls post that THICC chinese cargo plane, the "chubby girl"

>>32300016
>>32300016
Sure is thick, cant get its fat ass off the ground with a decent load.

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>posted 34 mins ago

NO F35

>>32298038
>>32298077
>>32298643
With Block 2B / 3i (today) only 2 internally. With Block 3F (end of next year), 4 internally. One day maybe in late Block 4 or in Block 5, 6 internally.

Externally with 2B/3i is zero, Block 3F should be 4 externally + 2 AIM-9X on the wingtips; potentially *maybe* but probably not 8 externally + 2 AIM-9X (all depends whether they allow for carriage on twin ejectors).

6x internal AMRAAM may never come though if SACM (aka CUDA for the Lockheed proposal) comes first >>32299308

>>32299735
I've been telling people this for years but memes are gonna meme I suppose

>>32300070
>Anti-F-35 shitposting on the front page of /k/ for the last 8 hours or so
>Trump suddenly tweets an anti-F-35 thing

I think I just figured out where he gets his military policy...

Hi Donald!

>>32299654
There's definitely a minimum of explosive needed to blow shit up effectively and how much fuel you need to deliver that explosive at the required chasing speeds over the required distance

Also the f35 magical godplane is supposed to not only kill enemy aircraft but also kill enemy ground radar, SAM batteries, AA defenses, and maybe even attack ground troops and ships

>>32300070
He didn't say NO F35, he just said reducing cost brah

>>32300148

>controlled demolition
>building 7 collapses for no reason days later
>flight 93 has almost no debri from the crash and no bodies
>pentagon has even less debri from plane crash ans no bodies.

Are you actually this stupid.

>>32300070
The program had over runs, no question about it.

A second look at the program wont hurt, see if you can find the "500 doller hammers". Nothing intrinsically wrong with "500 doller hammers", but you better justify the fuck out of it.

>>32300336
Those are HTK missles. No explosives, just rams the fuck out of the plane.

>>32300366
JET FUEL

STEEL BEAMS


THE BEEEEEEAAAAMMMMMMMS

>>32300366
>building 7 collapses for no reason days later
I hope you meant hours and not days.

>>32298665
>>32297110

>>32300374
The program is on time and within budget brah ever since it got rebaselined

>>32300489

The cost per plane is on track, is actually great, but to get there the R&D costs were crazy.

Make the companys justify their costs, there is nothing wrong with that at all.

>>32299308
The SACM program truly would be revolutionary if they simply managed to get a good PK out of such a small missile with the projected range they're talking about as you could then turn any airframe into a missile truck

>>32299664
And?

You're getting the same range and better kinematics out of a missile that's a fourth the size and mass.

>Weapons on pylons are useless
>Non-nuclear carriers are pointless
>Tanks are obsolete

And more fun bollocks from /k/

>>32300366
>for no reason

The whole building was burning, and the exterior structure was visibly strained by the heat.

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>>32300625
The exterior structure was also visibly damaged from debris.

>>32296566
> Gee mom, why does Billy get to have TWO JDAMs?

>>32297500
Go fuck off.

>>32300070
Ah, yet again Dumbass is tweeting without understanding anything, or even knowing whether he even has power to do anything.

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>JDAM
>its just a bomb with a hat

it carries two bombs oh boy thats two foxholes it can clear wew. Wew.

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>>32300717
And there was clear severe loss of structural integrity well before it fell.

>>32300840
2 2000/1000lbs - just like an F-117 in that full stealth config.
Or 4 500s.
Or 8 SDBs.

>>32300070
>insulting /k/'s favorite plane

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH NOT MY PRESIDENT!!

>>32300717
This. Building 7 was hit by massive segments of the tower that collapsed nearest to it. It also saw fires burning unchecked for hours.

Believing 9/11 was a government conspiracy with CIA planes and thermite and demolitions is retarded.

>>32300840
>MUH A-10 WARTHOG
>MUH BEST ATTACKER
>MUH OLD
loltbhfam, that shit is outdated and practically useless these days.

>>32300898
And initially also hit by burning aircraft debris as well.

>>32300923
all you need to subjugate groundpeasants is a platform to drop weapons on them from. the a-10 has lots of weapons, the f-35 has fewer weapons, therefore the a-10 is better at killing groundpeasants

>>32300942
>implying said groundpeasants don't have any type of anti aircraft weapons
>pro tip:
>they do
Prove me wrong.
>pro tip
>you can't

Shouldn't the F-35 have a weapon systems officer? Do they really badly need that extra space?

>>32300942
Except if all you need to do is blow up sand people the F-35 can fly with pylons loaded and will therefore have 14,000lbs of weapons as well as the capability to reach its target faster and bomb it more accurately than your meme plane

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>>32296390

https://warisboring.com/test-pilot-admits-the-f-35-can-t-dogfight-cdb9d11a875#.mtdvbhza7

>>32301013
>Warisboring

nice one immediately locking yourself out of the conversation

>>32301004
>24 SDBs + 2 ea Aim-120D and AIM-9X

>>32301004
THANK YOU

>>32301032
if you add pylons the range drops by 50%

>>32301048
t. sources you pulled straight out of your ass

>>32296863
The stealth is used before air superiority is established. Once AA or opposing aircraft are dealt with stealth is mostly irrelevant.

>>32300489
>Rebaselined
Isn't that called shifting the goalposts?

>>32301128
No, it means doing a complete program reevaluation based on current reality instead of sticking to an impossible program schedule and budget.

>>32296390
So this thing has to open up it's bay to engage enemy planes, the exact reason why Serbs were able to spot and shoot down that one F-117.

>>32301215
...So does the F-22, PAK-FA, J-20, and J-31. You missed the part where the Serbs also knew exactly where it would be and still got really fucking lucky.

>>32301017
>replying to mandic
>Ever

just add him to your filter.

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>>32296432
>>32299715

>implying you wouldn't fuck her

>>32301297
>You missed the part where the Serbs also knew exactly where it would be
Yes, I did not mention how they managed to use their old cold war era radars to spot the F-117 by modifying the said radars and also managed to gain prior information on the location of the enemy planes thanks to them deciphering NATO communications. The exact point is that a capable enemy can do wonders even with limited resources, imagine what a capable enemy could do with much larger resources. Even if the F-35 would work properly, I do not believe it would be a cost effective system.

>>32300942
B-1B has lots of weapons, the A-10 has fewer weapons, therefore the B-1B is better at killing groundpeasants (actually true according to SOCOM and the USAF commanders overseeing / in Syria and Iraq)

>>32301437
This is correct, a bomber is the absolute best at the subjugation of groundpeasants, however bombers are more for when you know where lots of them will be congregating. Attack aircraft are more for hanging out and picking off small clusters when they surface.

The a-10 has one other important feature however that makes it ideal specifically for air support: a distinctive sound.

All the best ground attack planes have a distinctive sound, whether it be the stukas siren or the a-10s war trumpet.

Does the f-35 have a distinct sound that provides morale manipulation? Morale is half the battle you know.

>>32301423
They actually didn't modify their radars; they originally claimed they did, but later admitted in a documentary that they lied to improve the morale of their forces.

There's also factors like that the F-117 had no RWR, so it was oblivious to the fact that there was a radar targeting it, and was instead reliant on an AWACS some distance away that needed ~14 seconds of exposure to a radar signal to acknowledge it. An F-35 on the other hand has RWR that's much faster and also allows passive targeting.

>>32301472
>Does the f-35 have a distinct sound that provides morale manipulation?
It actually does have a less common sound - it has a deeper-sounding jet engine. A 25mm @ ~3300RPM also still BRRRRTs, just obviously not quite as loudly

>>32301423
You left off the massive amount of complacency that had the Nighthawk flying the exact same route daily for weeks, which was the biggest part of how they knew where to set up in the first place. A stealth fighter popping its bay open at a random point in the air for 10 seconds isn't at the same risk.

>>32301490
I need to find media representing these sounds to evaluate them more thoroughly.

I think people often forget how important this quality is in a weapon system. It is a legitimate factor in a weapons overall effectiveness, not even memeing.

>>32301423
>imagine what a capable enemy could do with much larger resources. Even if the F-35 would work properly, I do not believe it would be a cost effective system
And do you expect non-VLO aircraft which can be engaged and shot down with none of this special effort would be more cost effective?

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Why aren't pylons/ordnance stealthy/low observable? I know some stuff like the LRASM are but wouldn't it benefit the F-35/F-22 to develop pylons that work with the RCS of the aircraft, as well at the missiles/bombs it carries?

Forgive my ignorance but it seems like something that would be relatively easy to develop, the pylons at least.

>>32301568
It's not like adding pylons makes them B-52 sized on radar. And again, by the point pylons are on, there's going to be very little left to shoot back.

>>32299092
>but reduces the price per aircraft
t. 1.2 Trillion dollars

>>32301568
Pylons don't as much, is the munitions. Those are being tested with enclosed weapons podsby everyone now

>>32299805
hello


what part of CAN'T MELT STEAL BEAMS ca'nt u udnertsand?

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>>32301512
If you've gone to an airshow I'm sure you know that digital media don't do jet sounds justice, but here's some videos that show it sounding a bit different:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYd0ddiocwE

Here's one with a timestamp that gives a comparison against an F-16:
https://youtu.be/7XeViHEWzLk?t=311

>>32301568
They're slightly stealthy, but there are things like nuts and brackets on pylons that reflect radar - when you attach a bomb to a pylon, you essentially hook it / clip it into the ejector, and then you tighten 4 bolts that apply downwards pressure on the bomb to stop it from rocking / moving around on the pylon.

>>32301617
It depends on the munition; a GBU-12? Yeah that'll give a decent radar return. An AIM-9X? Not really. Weapons pods aren't really being seriously looked at by many people; they're a poor compromise, because anything properly stealthy won't be cheap and will likely be non-ejectable (not because of cost, but because of complications of ejecting something with aerodynamics that are secondary to aligning with the parent aircraft's radar signature).

>>32301616
>Over 50 years versus $4t for current airframes
Go back to sucking Pierre's cock already.

>>32301635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

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>>32299883
Because video games = real life.

I bet you think that you are a ballistics expert because muh COD too.

>>32301850
Hi, POGO. As far as video games are concerned, you do realize that Zerg rush is very often a suboptimal strategy in real life.

>>32301850
>Implying that there's no such thing as games that somewhat accurately simulate things
>Implying I didn't mention it as showing how even such basic knowledge like playing a realistic video game would give people better understanding
It's ok little one. Everything is gonna be just fine.

after watching videos of gau-22/a i am satisfied with this and think they need to make a variant that caries 4 of these and no internal mounts. It has a pleasant lower frequency sound sure to boost morale

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>>32301940
>Maximum BRRRRRRRT plz

>>32301859
it's a suboptimal strategy in starcraft as well

>>32301975
They need to have each of those fire at a different rate to tune the frequencies and play them like novelty car horns

>>32301996
Fund it.

>>32301472
If you've ever heard an F-35 fly by in afterburner, you know they have a very distinctive sound called being loud and bassy as fuck from well over a mile away.

And I work around jets all day every day.

>>32300070
Why does nobody in this country remember congress exists?

>>32300865
>/k/'s favorite plane
How long have you been here?
>>32300923
See >>32300942. Faggot.
[spoiler]I bet you think that the 1911 is outdated, too.[/spoiler]

>>32299735
How hot did Building 7 get?

>>32303888
A building fell on it.

>>32303898
Along with chunks of burning jet.

>>32301975
That's basically a reverse gear no?

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>>32300942

>all you need to subjugate groundpeasants is a platform to drop weapons on them from.

Then what do we need the A-10 for?

>>32306301
This

Drones do an amazing job at keeping the ground serfs in line.

>>32300962
Post all A-10 shootdowns from GWOT

Once again /k/ process how easy they are to troll.

You would have thought after 2,000 F-35 threads you would have learned your lesson.

>>32306525
tbf, the Trumpster and his tweets has given fuel for a whole new level of trolling, memeing and general shit-throwing.

>>32296390
Such an ugly lumpy plane.

>>32296390
C A S
A
S

>>32300840

i've yet to hear a A-10 check in with even one GBU-31. it was to the point where JTACs who train with them don't even know what a GBU-31v1 with a DSU-33 can do against PAX in the open (turn them and thirty of their friends into red paste)

>>32296925
An American must have sat on that plane.

>>32306329

one got downed by a Roland.

A ROLAND.

>>32306712

Nice wargame airland battle meme.

>>32306724
what the fuck is wargame air land battle.

Rolands are pieces of shit these days, and the fact that you think the A-10's SAM defense consists of "tank it" proves how little you know.

>>32296432

Only way you could ride an aircraft is if one installed the right "entry port".

>>32301437
Of course a MAD bomber is better at killing ground peasants.

>>32301505
They were doing that because they foolishly bought into the stealth meme.

>>32299776
>>>/pol/

>>32303594
American educations.

>>32306982
>>32306982
That and the expansion of executive powers in the presidency over the last X number of years. Trumps memester fanbase that thinks he's a literal god and believes he can do anything he wills through meme magic doesn't help either.

>>32296390
>implying two missiles is not more enough when nobody else has 5gen fighters in fielded service.

>>32299676
>" It even performs better aerodynamically when compared to 4th gen aircraft carrying..."

Yeah no...

>>32300364
Fuck the F-35, more A-10Cs and investing into the F-15 2040c program is what we need.

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>>32307125
>MFW 16 AMRAMMs
>MFW extended fuel capacity
>MFW Shits all over F-35 in air superiority role

>>32299715
I have personally watched an A10 be delivered in full by a cargo plane.
> I came buckets that night.

>>32307158
This would honestly be a great plane [spoiler]in ace combat[/spoiler]

>>32296390
If you want to use internal only and carry bombs, yes. If you want to do internal only with air to air, it's four at the moment, to be increased to 6 at some point. That's without SACM.

>>32303888
> Took an arrow to the knee
Dude that was fucking brutal, that should be a hate crime and an assault rolled into one.
Well done Anon, +2 internet points for you man.

>>32306318
I have watched a review of drones, complaining they do an "inadequate job" and they are "not fit for purpose" and are "unreliable" and so forth, mostly the complain against them is that they have really REALLY high collator damage, killing dozens or more people instead of just the laser guided individual head hunting target the Politician thinks they should be able to kill.

I couldn't help but sit there and thing, fucking awesome, when do we start arming them with cluster bombs?

>>32306525
Id rather read about it than read about superior chinese planes being belittled because they look slightly different.

>>32300863
> Full stealth
If its not invisible and cant be detected by anything but Dianna troi. then its dogshit.

>>32306790
>Dire vehicles

>>32307291
>herp derp

>>32307158
Even Pierre Sprey would call you retarded, not for the right reasons mind you, but he'd call you a retard all the same.

>>32306329
Post all shootdowns of A-10s in the first days of the air campaign in the first gulf war

actually i do it for you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_combat_losses_of_United_States_military_aircraft_since_the_Vietnam_War#1991_.28Operation_Desert_Shield.2FDesert_Storm.29

>>32296863
>Destroy enemy fighters and air defenses with non-pylon'd F-35s
>Use pylon'd F-35s for CAS in a permissible enviroment

where are the trillions of dollars

>>32296925
Sorry dude, that's from the movie stealth.

>>32300070
I think there are better ways to cut military spending then reducing the cost of the f-35.

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>>32300865
>/k/'s favorite plane

The A-10?

>>32307227
No, it's two at the moment.

>>32307561
What is butterfly for the uninformed? Google isn't helping.

>>32301472
but tats ass backwards, the B1's just chill with bays full of jadam waiting for the sand people to emerge

>>32307561
>The author surveyed 31 pilots
>31 Pilots
>31 cherry-picked pilots

Your data is flawed

>>32299735
M8 you can get as hot as you like at it but you can't melt steel memes.

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>>32310813
Not my image, but it does an okay job at visualising it - both jets start neutral (their opponent is 90 degrees to their side) and have to try and gain dominance / out-turn the other; the F-35 loses some favour for butterflies because it's not the greatest sustained turner. Hitting high-alpha and firing across the circle does work, hence why pilots still prefer the F-35, but if you screw that up you have to switch to defense.

>>32311426
>Highly experienced 4th gen pilots with an average of nearly 1500 flight hours each
>Hurr der uhpinnon dunt cunt cuz not enuff

>>32301472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNtaxk08Fuo

Sounds pretty distinctive to me senpai, reminds me of the Vulcan bomber the Brits love to jack off to

>>32307158
yfw it'll just be used as a missile truck for F-35s to queue targets and call in munitions against

>>32311669
Well current F-15Cs are basically just missile trucks for F-22s to queue targets and call in munitions against. F-22s are basically AWACS right now, seeing things the AWACS can't even see due to the enormous power of the radar and much closer proximity to the fight.

>>32311735
Always good to read a good fanfic on /k/

>>32311735
Man, that was stupid.

>>32301490
>>32303545
>>32311657
That's just a fast jet sound, nothing distinctive compared to the brrrt.

>>32312047
If you hear it in person you'll feel the difference; it shakes your chest like an F-4 when it's loud enough.

Also, here's a burst from a Harrier which uses a gun very similar to the F-35s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSTB7U_qlTM

Here's the same gun fired from an AC-130:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjfHeuFUz1g

>>32312425
The GAU-22 is a four-barrel version of the Harrier's five-barrel GAU-12. Lower rate of fire but higher accuracy.

>>32299987
>One thing that i have been keeping to myself, is that im afraid training will naturally degrade due to how easy it is to fly and fight in the f-35.
That might be true until our OPFOR starts getting F-35s as well.

If you're in a stealth configuration you're either going to bomb a protected target (might have a case for needing more AMRAAMS) or you wouldn't be carrying JDAMs (there, you have two or four more AMRAAMs)

>>32306301
This image is one of the first Google image results for national bird of Syria.

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>>32306917
shekel meme is uniersal shlomo

>>32312425
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSTB7U_qlTM
Hey, not that bad. Those gay dolphins got what they deserve!

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>>32311426
>If I just plug my ears then I won't have to care about numbers.

>>32311656
>>32316611

Only 31 pilots? He selected the data that would fit his forgone conclusion.

>>32319135
That's honestly a significant portion of F-35 pilots.

>>32319135
He selected elite 4th gen veterans who had transitioned with enough flight hours to get a good feel and comparison between the two. There aren't that many.

>>32311633
Why would they interview A-10 pilots armor air to air scenarios?

>>32320419
>armor
About

>>32320419
>>32320436
While an A-10 would be trouble against pretty much any modern fighter, they are designed to carry a pair of AIM-9s. As for what point there is in comparing the two, the A-10 does have a good instantaneous turn rate down low, the author of the paper and the ex-A-10 pilot(s) interviewed probably just want the A-10 pilot community to know they're not losing that ability to maneuver down low (for what it's worth).

why haven't we made icbm catapults yet.

icbm catapult > airplane prove me wrong

this is the future

>>32300808
trolling or do you actually think it was real?

>>32320786
Why would it not be real?

>>32320805
nm I read the source. Its a bunch of different testimonies you linked. I thought it was all the same story from one guy and in that case would it be ridiculous and somewhat self contradicting.

>>32320908
>does't read the source
>calls it a fictional story
Anon, you really need to not do that. At least read the story.

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>>32301568
Given that F35 pylons are funky triangle shapes, I suspect they are designed to be stealthy in some way.

>>32321226
Seriously some engeneers need to be raped before being hanged. This flying joke isn't funny anymore.

>>32301542
Underrated post

>>32296390
only needs two

>>32319135
You can not be this removed from reality, right?

>>32323052
Nice memes fuckboi.

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>>32323052
Retard alert!

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>>32296390

>>32296390

wait, so the F35 literally has sections that unfold to reveal bright red "shoot here to kill the boss" areas?

>>32324500

You are truly a stupid motherfucker.

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>>32324500
stupid Russians carry their weak points on the outside.

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>>32296718
>>32296863

Surprised they haven't gone back to sticking missiles on top of the wings so that they're blocked from ground based radar and fuck the RCS less.

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>>32296925

Doubt it could take a Mig-51 though.

>>32320502
Fighters might not be on the menu for A-10, but IIRC they were expected to hold their own against choppers and other low speed attack craft.

>>32324500
those are bombs
when you see the red you are about to be obliterated.
terror tactics.

>>32324534

Didn't iranian AH-1 Cobras take out an A-10 during the iran-iraq war?

>>32324560
It wouldn't surprise me. AIM-9 is AIM-9. But that would demonstrate that as early as the 80s, you couldn't fly attack aircraft without self-defense AAMs.

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>>32324560
nigga wut

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>>32324560
>iran-iraq war
>A-10

>>32324560
IRAQ HAD OUR A-10S GUYS

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>>32324560
what

>>32324532
Kek