Waterboarding

>is torture bad?
It's tortuous.

>>32284968
My friends tried that at a pool party. After 5 seconds, first "victim" felt like he was drowning, so we stopped

>>32285006
>After 5 seconds, first "victim" felt like he was drowning, so we stopped
pussy

>>32284968
looks pretty bad to me
https://youtu.be/k6sYBWBCCQM

>>32285031
>Ikr, lol
Dude was a surfer and a state champion swimmer, not a pussy

When I went through SERE we were waterboarded and subjected to other "advanced interrogation techniques". It sucked. It REALLY fucking sucked, but I would in no way call it torture. The worst was the loud static for 72 hours in a concrete room with no food. Occasionally they would come in amd throw a bucket of freezing water on you.

>>32285061
Boots boots boots

>>32285045
>5 seconds and was done
>not a pussy
Thanks for posting your bf's resume but doesn't change anything.

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>>32284968
Compared to what?

I've seen a cartel video of some guy with both his hands cut off, his face peeled off and having a rusty machete shoved down his throat (all while still alive).

Compared to that, no, I don't think it's really that bad.

>>32285069
SERE guy here. Time makes no difference. It is instant, holding your breath makes no difference. If you want to know what being waterboarded is like, stick your head underwater and inhale deeply.

>>32285061
Now try doing it for ten years because you fucked your next door neighbours wife, so he told the Americans you're a Taliban, but they keep calling you a liar when you say you're not and screaming about some guy called 'Ben Laddon.'

Like fuck off dude, I don't know any Bens, that's an English name, and the Brits left decades ago, I'm just a fuckin' goat herder, but do they believe me? Nooooo...

>>32285112

how does it make you feel like you're drowning? the rag is over your face, and they pour water over it, but how?

>>32285172
>but how?
Your brain. It's an automatic reaction,same like when the doctor hits your knee to make you kick, it's just something you don't control.

>>32285172

Give it a try yourself, if you've got a towel, some water, and can lay at a slight incline your good to go. This isn't exactly brain surgery.

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>>32285172
Because it goes up your nose in pools in your sinus cavity blocking the flow of oxygen

>>32285190
>it's just something you don't control.
Bullshit.

Buddha said the mind can conquer anything.

I waterboarded myself in the shower when I was a kid

was pretty goddamn fucking shitty, but I kept doing it anyway for some reason. I didn't even know what I was doing at the time.

>>32285212
>Buddha said the mind can conquer anything.
Yeah, but Buddha died of food poisoning, so shows how much he knows.

>>32285207
thats just called actual drowning, theres no way you can get oxygen

>>32285207
>>32285198
>>32285190

i c

>>32284995
Underrated post.

>>32285031
>>32285069
>>32285172
>>32285212
Please post video evidence of you being waterboarded so that we can assess your expertise on what it's like to be waterboarded.

Why do people like disputing proven science?

>>32285232
You can get enough to survive, but not much water actually enters your lungs, so it doesn't cause drowning. It's more suffocation if anything. Drowning and suffocation are different things

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>>32285260
k, brb

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>>32285260
>science
Your "science" is insignificant, against the power of the Force.

>>32284968
Relative to being strangled, ironed, whipped, crossed, forced to ingest copious amounts of honey/milk and tied to a boat full of said honey and milk, roasted, sun-beaten, shown your own organs, losing limbings, losing sight and taste, losing the ability to speak, skinned alive and salted, blammed, and covered in biting/stinging insects, it's pretty alright given no permanent injury.

>>32285006
But did he reveal where the bomb was hidden?

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ITT people who never got waterboarded are experts in the topic

>>32284968
Back in Iraq, we called it "baptising the terrorist"

>>32284968

Yes, it's that bad.

It's also useful. Ask how I know.

>>32285393

Fuck, meant to say not useful.

>>32285408
>not useful.
I agree, we need more brutal methods of torture.

>>32284968

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ACE-BBPRs

>>32285330
Yeah, it was at B site
>Inb4, OK this isn't /v/

>>32285041
classic

>>32284968
It's bad, but it's definitely not torture (in the classical sense).

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>>32285437
hes either acting or hes a puss.
getting a tube down your throat isnt half that bad

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>>32285636
I agree, I've seen a Japanese girl take a gallon of cum through her nose and she barely flinched

>>32285067
...slogging over africa...

Theres no Discharge in the war...

>>32285428

The key to good Intel collection from a prisoner is time and the threat of some impending doom (real or imagined) from a force larger than both the prisoner and the HUMINT/CI guy.

Well its definitely torture, no if ands or buts. Like we wouldnt be waterboarding all those people if it wasnt torture - thats the whole point of it in the first place - to torture them into whatever ends we desire of them.

Obviously there are far worse methods of torture. The reason that waterboarding is so controversial is that it doesnt leave any visible marks of torture having taken place, which allows us to deny having done it because our laws say we cant be doing that shit.

Honestly depends on the situation. Shouldnt be torturing suspects. Shouldnt be torturing POWs either. However people who are red handedly guilty of doing some real fucked up shit should be fair game - let them reap what they so and be made an example of. Mercy unless pushed too far, at which point anything goes.

>>32285006
>felt like he was drowning
you realize that's the point

that's LITERALLY why it's torture

>>32285232
It basically turns your throat into a bong. You gasp for air, and you get air, but you still feel like you're drowning because your mouth and nose are full of water, and the sensory paths that tell your brain "O fuck, I'm drowning" take signal from the areas filled with water when you are being water boarded. You do get water in your lungs too, but it drains out.

It's pretty dang bad, but at least you get to keep all your finger nails and shit.

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>>32285170
This. There's a certain cruelty in inflicting minor pain for long periods of time. Imagine you were in a prison, and at full blast they played this on loop
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mmCMUPCNgE
Little food, little sleep, and nothing but Powerpuff Girls. In a society, in a group of people, you'd probably form a religion around it. But in isolation? You'd go mad. You'd say anything.

I'm a massive pussy. I was exposed to a fraction of CS gas for a few seconds. That small experience made me never want to use chemical weapons on someone.

It's terrible. Probably one of the worst experiences of my life. I was for about 10 minutes and it feels like you're on the brink of death the entire time.

>>32285067
>>32285679

Had a HM2(FMF) RDC that would play that shit nonstop during boot

>>32286234
Makes sense. I bet if there was a way to trigger your brain to respond to something while that something isnt really happening, you'd be in for a horrendous roller coaster ride.

>>32285006
>>32285006
But was he actually in danger of drowning? I thought waterboarding was completely harmless and just scared people.

>>32287188
Naw, you still sustain damage to your nasal cavity, just not anything severe

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me and some friends in high school waterboarded each other in a hotel on an overnight trip. it's just as bad as it sounds

>>32285212
How can a guy who weighs 500 pounds teach anyone about self control?

>>32285338
Have you ever been shot before? How can you say it kills people if you never tried it?

>>32285698
>You better tell us that thing you know or a bomb will go off!
>Lol I don't care
>Fuck

I'd like to see your face then.

>>32287195
But it doesn't sound that bad? I mean, "Oh no, a board of WATER".

>>32287202
He can sit down in front of you and start shoveling food in to his face. Then he can take his shoes and socks off and show you his feet. Waddle up and give you a hug so you can smell the pork and rot.

You will learn much about self control.

>>32285661
I'm going to need to see this for, uh .. interrogation research purposes. Yeah that's it.

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>>32287240
well it certainly isn't a pleasant experience

>>32287264
You're a large bloke.

>>32287289
Far ye, laddy

>>32286276
Accidentally mixed bleach and ammonia at work once while cleaning.
Yeah, fuck that shit.

>>32285661
I'd like to interrogate a Japanese girl if you know what I mean.

>>32284968
No, that wasn't my job. We did take detainees during Operation Steel Curtain.

A hadji spit on my squad leader. He kicked him in the head so hard that goat fucker is probably retarded.

I and my friends tried it once.
It isnt that bad, once youre brain realizese youre actually not drowning.Atleast not when you know that the people around you are not trying to kill you.If you have been abducted and dont know who is standing before you or if they want to kill you, it might be worse.

>>32285488
Tricky Ricky! Still injecting steroids into your dick?

>>32287202
Buddha was a half-starved skelly. The "fat Buddha" is not Buddha.

>>32287224

This is an imagined and rare scenario. Your likelihood of capturing the members of an immediate plot and then gathering actionable Intel through any means is not good.

>>32285698

That or being nice to him

>>32286276
The person who does the comic series is a huge stick in the mud, isn't (s)he?

>>32289416
And a faggot liberal to boot

>>32289446
Then it looks like my prior statement is redundant.

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>>32287188
Your body literally thinks you're drowning

>>32289474
Correct

>>32289405

I thought that was implied. The impending doom from higher thing is a friend ploy.

>I like you
>I understand you
>Hell, if I didn't have to do this, I'd be with you
>but these others don't get it
>they wanna put you away for a long time

Just tell them that Mordor is in Pakistan and they'll stop.

>>32284968
>not getting together with your friends and seeing who can last the longest

good bonding exercise OP

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>>32286276
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlObo7idmPI