what is the most reliable vehicle for shtf?

>>32278481
A bicycle.

>>32278481
One with a Kettering ignition system.

>>32278713
This. Unless you have your own fucking personal oil refinery, don't rely on a car in SHTF. Also if you do have your own personal oil refinery, fuck you.

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>>32278481

>>32278713

>chain breaks
>knees hurt
>ankle sprained

Yeah, nah.

>>32278774
If you're this out of shape don't expect to make it in shtf

>>32278774
>I'm too fat to ride a bicycle

You're gonna die in SHTF no matter what. Stop trying to ruin it for the people who have a chance.

>>32278774
>fix chain
>stop being fat
>stop being fat

the solutions are more obvious than you think

>>32278481
Horse

>>32278481
Honda Civic

>>32278481
Legs.

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Tricycles bitches!

>>32278481
Any 90s Toyota Tacoma. If it's good enough for 3rd world armies and dune coons with attitude problems its good enough for you.

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>>32278949
That rear flatbed is begging to be converted into a pedal technical

>>32278481
I've good things about the Toyota RAV4. In fact, I've hardly heard anything bad about Toyota.

>>32278823
>reliable

>>32278774
lose weight you insufferable fat fuck

>>32280097

The RAV4 isn't a good SHTF vehicle, because it is barely passable as an off-road vehicle. While it can manage light snow/dirt roads, it has relatively low clearance and poor suspension. The differential and transmission cannot handle steep inclines. The engine is also relatively weak for what you would need.

By the time you improve all of these parts, you would be better off simply buying a different vehicle.

The 4Runner is actually a decent off-road vehicle, though you would need to get the upgraded suspension, and I don't know how strong/reliable the new KDSS system is.

>>32278481
Your own two feet
Bicycle

A Honda xr200 or xr250 dirt bike. If a true shtf situation happened roads would be compromised and also be ambush points. A quad is a good option too but nothing beats a simple dirt bike. If I had to choose a 4 wheel vehicle I would pick a Tacoma or maybe a f-150. Trucks are way more useful that cars. Subarus are the only cars worth half a shit in a shtf situation.

>>32278713
this. Unless you're out in the country, the roads are gonna be jammed with abandoned vehicles making most roads useless for vehicles

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>>32280208
Pic related.

94 xr200. I put a pack on the front that has a shovel, rope, tire repair kit, air pump, rope, carbineer clips, 2 way radio, fuel hose long enough for siphoning, couple wrenches, bic lighters, crank radio w/ solar and cell charger, map, compass, 550 cord and a knife. That way my pack can carry water and other cool shit.

Usually take this with a vz58 and a Glock 19.

2.5 ton old army truck, or late 80's ford diesel truck, both emp proof, and you can use a wide variety of "fuel" to run them.

Toyota. Hilux.

KLR

Subaru Outback is a decent choice
>18.5 gallon tank
>can tow 2700 lb
>32/25 mpg
>awd
>8.7 inch ground clearance
>shitloads of room inside
>you won't die if you hit anything
>lots of spare parts
If only it came in diesel

>>32280358
Good start, but for long term viability you'll need access to spare parts and they are quite rare in the west.
But if I want a SHTF car in the middle east I wouldn't look no further. Oh wait, SHTF is standard there, never mind.

In the end a bicycle is really the ultimate survival land vehicle. Easy to repair, highly standartized replacements parts, no fuel issues.

Disadavantage is obviously limited speed and capacity so depending on the type of catastrophe a car might have some merits.

>>32280358
sadly new ones are unobtanium in the states

A late 70's or early to mid 80's fullsize 4x4 Chevy suburban, blazer, or pickup. Preferably with one ton axles. Dead reliable motor and transmissions. Readily available parts, and plenty of storage space.
Ford pickups and broncos of the same era would work too.

>>32280289
>vz58
>gun with proprietary magazines and parts

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Tacoma if you're in America.
Hilux if you're outside (parts).


First gens were used all throughout the beginning of the war. Second gens have been used from 2008+.


Ford Rangers are good too.

>>32281084

>high school student driving a $200 or hand-me-down truck detected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7V-G3PiRUc

>>32278481

Bicycle or legs.

>>32280358
>dad owned a Toyota hilux
>things so rare it would get broken into monthly for spare parts
>we went thrugh 3 of then bc people kept stealing parts
fucking gypos

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Ford Police Interceptor Utility. Looks like your standard soccer mom car.

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3rd gen Toyota 4Runner

>>32278732
SHTF doesn't necessarily have to be a post apocalyptic event where society collapses forever, but even in such an event, a car could be invaluable just to get out of dodge in the beginning of SHTF.
You can also run vehicles on alcohol, and producing your own alcohol is easier than gas for sure. There's also electrical engines, generating electricity should be doable even in SHTF.

ITT IFS, IRS and lack of transfer cases and lockers

>>32278764
I work for an armored transport company and let me tell you there is a reason we have at least one mechanic at every branch

Armored vehicles are unreliable as fuck. I've broken down in some of the worst neighborhoods with over 2 mil on board and had to wait for a fuckin tow then ride in the truck while im gettin towed through shitty streets

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>>32278481

>>32281752
>independent front suspension

>>32281084
>entire nation runs out of fuel before it can all degrade because this cunt is too autistic to get a modern vehicle

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This is God tier. 500 gallons of fuel (3500 mile cruise range) Comfy sleeper cab. Can go into any yard that has a heater that runs on fuel oil and get more fuel.

>>32278713
Turbo Kidd!

>>32281866
Plus the engine will probably outlive you and it can easily survive with a few flats as long as its unloaded. Noise profile is not so good, especially considering you'll be engine braking whenever possible to avoid wear on the actual brakes. Off road potential is limited to say the least, many dirt roads are off limits too.

>>32281084

Any vehicle that gets 8-12 miles per gallon should not be considered.

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>>32279131
My winter commute bike is a Tecnical, for waging cultural war on das juden.

I bought a 2003 Durango SLT AWD/4WD for the Colorado mountains. Holy shit did this thing surprise the shit out of me. Super comfy suspension, interior, has great power for towing and street, and it feels super solid.

I've owned a few 4runners and love them. All lasted past 200k. I got the Durango at 60k at 130k now. It's been just as reliable as the Toyotas and I like the way it feels way more.

I can't vouch for any other year Durango but they got that 03 SLT perfected.

>>32281784
Go put some straight ethanol in your car and let me know how long it runs before it becomes a landmark.

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>>32278732
>Unless you have your own fucking personal oil refinery

Not that hard to do if you have access to coal, wood or anything that burns.

>>32281784
>SHTF doesn't necessarily have to be a post apocalyptic event where society collapses forever, but even in such an event, a car could be invaluable just to get out of dodge in the beginning of SHTF.

This.

>You can also run vehicles on alcohol, and producing your own alcohol is easier than gas for sure. There's also electrical engines, generating electricity should be doable even in SHTF.

I'd argue making firewood would be even easier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas

>>32278481
so is it zombies, aliens, or duh gubment this week?

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This and a stationary solar power unit.

Rear wheel-mounted 2-kW motor and a downtube-secured 1.3-kWh lithium-ion battery. It has three riding modes: Eco, Tour and Sport. Eco mode gives the rider up to 800 watts and up to around 50 miles of electric-assisted pedaling, Tour mode gives 31 miles with a motor output at 1,500 watts, and Sport mode unleashes the full 2,000 watts of motor power, hitting a top speed of 37 mph. Will get you around without need for a refinery. Get a bike trailer for small haulage. If the trailer can support a solar panel you could make some distance.

>>32282029
Aliens take over the government and create and distribute a zombie plague using alien tech and government infrastructure.

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>>32282059
>battery dies
>now must pedal 80-pound, pedal-bobbing, high-COG monstrosity uphill and/or off-road

>maintaining suspension components after SHTF
>maintaining hydraulic brakes after SHTF
>Using SRAM after SHTF (dat 6-month component life)

ISHYGDDT

>>32278481
there is really no blanket vehicle for any scenario. You guys need to do specific scenarios when you make these threads. otherwise its always going to be toyotafag circle jerks.

>>32282200

HF 3 confirmed!

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>>32278481
>what is the most reliable vehicle for shtf?

>>32278481
>>32278713
>>32278790
>>32278822
>>32280167

This, a Bike, but its got to be a good Bike (not the kind you will find at Walmart).

Then again you can steal bikes left and right after SHTF though your mileage may vary with how many of them have had their tires slashed and the rims kicked the shit out of.

> lose weight?
No you're not Too Fat to ride.
You dont need to focus on losing weight, you need to focus on getting Fit thats all.

Football players are often fat chub but they're also 300 pounds of cave your skull in.

Think Pyramid Head from Silent Hill.

You can be a Big, Fat, Badass.

Its not about how much you weigh, but what your body can do. The endurance will steadily creep up and get a little better over time as you monster-fy your body.

> muh weight
> muh tire's weight limit

Get better tires. Look into it.

> this tire chain thing people keep talking about

Im a big guy myself, 250-300 pounds my entire adult life. Ive only had a Chain break on me 1 Time.

However I have pushed my bikes so hard that upon jumping curbs or making turns the tire just fucking blows out. BANG.

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>>32281812

Horses require all kinda horse knowledge and high-enegry food (i.e. not grass) is they're doing anything remotely stressful.

A bicycle is objectively the best SHTF vehicle, as all the gasoline will be skunked and unusable in less than a year.

>>32282485
>both fat and fit
stop lying to yourself, If you had anywhere near decent cardio you'd be in decent shape

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>>32282485
>>32278774

pic related

> fat but useful
> you gotta know this guy can run
> fitness dont mean lean

Why is no one bringing up helicopters?

>>32282544

> why run when you can kill

>>32281702
Your dad must be a heavy sleeper

>>32282544
Who is Roy Nelson?
He's certainly in better cardio conditioning then me and my six pack.
t. Skinny fit man.

>>32280289

Buddy of mine bought a new Yammy XT250 last summer and built his own trailer for it. Took it across Canada with very little issues. Aside from a home made trailer hitch, the only mod he did to the bike was to fit a 16 tooth primary sprocket for better cruising on the prairies.

The trailer is a single wheel design made from 2" square tubing with a rack on either side of the wheel to hold a pair of 20L gas cans. The middle is a flat cargo tray big enough to fit his 48 gal Rubbermaid locking storage container which can be removed when needed to haul firewood or whatever.

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>>32278481

Its also worth noting that a Personal Vehicle is incredibly useful for going down Railroad Tracks, but the tires are going to have to be good.

There wont be any traffic or jammed cars there, and if you find a stopped train its probably got goodies in it.

> railroad is dangerous
While other people may have the same idea, consider that everywhere is out in the middle of nowhere now. Its a better place to fight than out on the road.

Railroad is also a good way to get out of the CITY too, a place where you will most certainly die.

If you live in a city get familiar real quick with where the train tracks are, and how to reach the ones that connect out of town.

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things things are nigh on unkillable

>>32278774

You now know chainless bicycle exist

>>32278732
>not having multiple options
Ideally you'd have a full-size, quad cab truck or large SUV with a lockable topper on it, a roof rack on the topper to put [your bike/your kayak/your dead deer/teepee lodge poles/your nagging great-aunt] on, and possibly even one of those trailer-hitch motorcycle carriers for your dualsport.

Go anywhere, carry anything, use any fuel, and take people with you.

But hey, that's at least 20 grand worth of shit, so about $19,990 more than what the average /k/ommando has for disposable income. I get it. I can't afford it either. That doesn't mean it isn't an ideal setup.

>>32282552
He can run, but for how long? and is it really that efficient.
He has mass for a reason, and likely eats a stupid amount of food to keep that up. I dont think the fatties of this board train hard and eat big to counter it, I think they're just fatties.

>>32278481
a mule

>>32282722
This.

Ex-lineman here.

I was quick, I was a pulling guard. I could do a 4.3sec 40 yard dash, and I trained my ass off for it. But I was gassed after 70 yards full sprint.

Guess what? Joined the Army, dropped a ton of muscle and a good bit of fat (total of over 100lbs lost), can now dead sprint for hundreds of yards and run at a 9 minute-mile pace for dozens of miles nonstop.

>>32278481
I hate these threads, because it depends on what kind of SHTF scenario we're talking about and what YOUR use for that vehicle is. Are you defending a homestead? Are you trying to make it cross country? Is this a virus scenario where you're avoiding main roads and contact with anyone? What? Parameters need to be defined.

>>32282754
No.

We do not know what SHTF will be. This is a discussion of which vehicle covers the widest possible number of scenarios adequately.

>>32282619
I regularly take that xr200 on 40 mile rides innawoods. Typically taking dirt roads in a huge loop. A dirt bike is so much more agile than anything else out there. The only thing I have to work out is attaching a gas can and fitting a extended tank. Stupid simple and crazy fast. Rugged trucks just cant dodge or pound their way through rough terrain like two wheels can.

>>32282598
>fat professional athletes

That just means he tries hard to meet the weight class on top of building excellent cardio. You think the people on this board are professional committed to both eating and training, and not just the former??

>>32282735
battle mules

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>>32279131
WWII Japan was actually training civilians into mounted bicycle units to defend the mainland. At least they were until they got nuked.

>>32282817
WWII Japan with SKS's?!

>>32281833

Is great if you aren't going rock crawling.

>>32282781
They definitely have some capabilities, but their biggest drawbacks are that
>they're loud
Like holy shit I think the only ground vehicle that's louder are sportbikes with aftermarket exhausts. Everybody within 10 miles will know where you are.
>extremely limited weight capacity before they're topped out
I know there's a lot of factors to this (rider weight, engine displacement, gearing, etc) but generally once you get around 200lbs attached to the bike beyond the rider they're barely moving and the suspension's squatted enough you're gonna bottom it out and damage the frame/wheels even on mild terrain.
>tiny range
Dirtbikes have tiny gas tanks, and while they're decently fuel efficient you're usually looking at only 50-60 miles on one tank.

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Honestly I'd take a pretty standard jeep

Pre chrysler preferably.

Hopefully with a diesel for that flexibility

>>32282817

I don't remember what documentary I watched but i recall it saying something along the lines of bikes are what allowed the Japanese to get around so fast, which caught the brits by surprise and fucked them over

shoelace express

>>32282739
I can only imagine the work that goes into keeping up that speed + muscle, so I've still got a lot of respect for the guys that do it. Kind of crappy trade-off really that long-distance kills weight and weight kills long-distance.

Still a pretty great feeling having that based range though :^)

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>>32280581
This. KLR650's are pretty much the Nuggets of the motorcycle world. Cheap, plentiful, indestructible, and just competent enough to be useful innawoods.

>>32282739
>9 minute-mile pace for dozens of miles nonstop
>AKA almost walking

>>32283022
Found the fatass that knows nothing about running.

That's 6.6mph. That's more than double a normal walking pace (2.5-3mph) and almost double a forced march (3.5mph).

>>32283053
I know plenty about running. I can do 8 minute miles all day- done a marathon at this pace-, and it's not exactly impressive.There are many people much faster than me. And 9 minute miles is slower.

>>32282963
I was in one of the last units to be required to be licensed on those. I don't know when they were completely decommissioned, but we used them in some units in the 101st into 1994.

Cherokee Sport

>>32283066
Point out where I claimed it was impressive. It's decent but it's not going to win a fucking race.

But it also for DAMN sure isn't "almost walking".

And since this is 4chan, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on you even attempting, much less finishing, a marathon.

>>32282485
...McMackin?

>>32283069
what role did you guys use them for out of interest?
>my knowledge extends as far as having one of them as part of an army set when I was a kid

>>32280178
TACOMA
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>>32281294
Or quite possibly a person who has spent most of his adult life driving off road. Which is where he'll be when shtf because the pavement ends not ten miles from town. Fixing things himself. With basic tools. Know that if he carries a few spare parts he can keep his truck running indefinitely. What happens when your fancy 2014 ford explorer burns out its 4wd solenoid or its coil pack dies? What if the security system locks the car out and prevents you from starting it? Not going to be able to take it to the dealership and have their special diagnostic equipment reset the computer when shtf. That old 70's truck can carry every part that could possibly break behind the seat with room left for a tool kit. Any one of those parts can be replaced in a matter of minutes.

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>>32282735

Love to have me an M274A4 Mechanical Mule.

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>>32282498

A real SHTF world won’t be like The Walking Dead, where they’re STILL driving around trucks with 4+ year old gasoline...

Bicycles will be the best long term choice for a post-apocalyptic vehicle.

>>32281792
IF and IR suspensions have their own merits. I would argue that the articulation and ground clearence of independent suspensions, along with the improvement in manufacturing and materials, has made up for any loss of durability. If you're doing rock crawling in SHTF you've got other bigger problems than your suspension.

Further, I would argue, as have the british, that lockers are the most important part of an offroad vehicle

this isnt the late 80s, early 90s anymore, buddy, and things have come a long way

Ideally a diesel truck or SUV I think

I wish Toyota would make a diesel Tacoma

I mean even Mazda is coming out with a diesel cx-5 (could actually be cool)

There are the old dodge mechanical diesels and then now I think most are huge trucks like 2500s. Maybe the smallest is the Nissan titan

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>>32281941
You are wrong on many many things there boyo.

Engine brakes have mufflers and are stock on any new truck.


Off road is better than a standard vehicle owing to the 8 drive wheels. Many trucks are specifically off road specialized for logging, cattle operations, and oil field work among many others.

Dirt roads follow the same as above. There is very few legitimate dirt roads that are off limits.

This changes when you have a loaded trailer as sinking becomes a major issue for non specialized vehicles.

source: my life.

>>32283589
>I wish Toyota would make a diesel Tacoma
I think they do just won't import them here.

>>32283627
Think those are hiluxes m8

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>>32283612
this guy might have a point

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>>32278481
Grumman LLV

>>32283700
Yes. Which they won't import.

>>32282485
Get rubber tires.

>>32283612
Even with a muffled jake brake they're still quite loud. Whether they're loud enough to be a major concern is another question.

Big rigs have dick-all for ground clearance generally. The ones that do are the specialized offroad logging trucks. The biggest barrier to ground clearance is the humongous air dam on the front.

Not all semi cabs are 8x8, there's a lot of ones that only the rearmost axle is a drive axle. Granted, the MAJORITY are. But not all.

A semi would do fine on pretty much any road (paved or otherwise) wide enough to fit between the trees, and for low-speed offroading. your biggest concerns are ruts left by other vehicles, and tipping over.

It has been my experience that even on very soft ground you're more likely to have your trailer tip than sink. And even if it does sink, unless you're already pushing your max load most semi's have the ass to pull it out provided you have traction.
>source: drive a fuel truck for a living in the WY fracking fields

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700 mile range

enough to get you to your cabin and back

>>32283828

Those USPS trucks are the worst things ever. While It is entertaining to watch it get stuck in my driveway literally every day, filling in the ruts is a chore.

>>32284113
Have the ones in your area been converted to propane yet?

Mine have.
>every time they drive by it smells like farts and burning wires
>the LP trucks top out at about 55mph yet they insist on driving on the 70mph interstate
>routinely get stuck on perfectly flat, paved surfaces (like parking lots and at intersections) in the winter because it has a total of about half a square inch of ground contact

>>32284144

Nope, they still have the 2.2L I4's.

>>32278855
literally the AK of cars. There are things bigger than it, there are things that are faster than it, and there are things more efficient than it, but it works when you need it to and does its job of getting you to work / eliminating kebab

>>32278481

Toyota Bandarainte.

>>32278774
Literally the only time I've broken chains on bicycles were on my freestyle BMX bikes because I was doing abusive shit to them like grinding on the chain itself. Although those were shitty chains. When I finally bought a good chain it never broke even with the abuse and my powerful legs.

> not knowing how to maintain a bicycle worth two shits in a SHTF scenario
> dying anyways because you're a fat autist who hasn't walked more than a half mile in a month

>>32284069
where will you get avgas, hydraulic fluids and or any other oils, etc, how will you conduct maitenence, etc, this is not viable.

>>32285924
this, i have bikes i had when i was 12 that i can still fucking ride a good 20 miles no problem. It's all about three things: having a good bike, keeping it maintained (this is super easy, literally just prevent rust, oil the chain, and tighten some nuts and bolts) and being in half-decent shape so you can actually ride the thing

>>32280289
Terrible choice. With most of today's fuel being 10% ethanol the fuel that you'll find will be useless in that bike after a month.

Go drain your fuel system, fill it back up with 10% ethanol fuel, leave the petcock on, let it sit for a month. Your bike probably won't run and if it does it will run like shit. Guaranteed after two months of that 10% ethanol fuel sitting your bike will not run at all.

That's what will happen to you unless you have access to a large supply of non ethanol blended fuel. Depending on where you live you might not have access to any for hundreds of miles.

>>32282768
this

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Is the walking dead worth watching for SHTF tips and for psychological understanding of what everyone else is expecting to happen??????

Is the walking dead worth watching for SHTF tips and for psychological understanding of what everyone else is expecting to happen??????

Is the walking dead worth watching for SHTF tips and for psychological understanding of what everyone else is expecting to happen??????

>>32286138
why the fuk did that copy 3 times christ

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>>32282858
Diesel Jeeps stateside are hard as fuck to find. The Cherokee Turbo Diesel was fucking amazing but Chrysler and AMC were a bunch of cucks and fucked us over.

Btw the YJ (like your pic) was a Chrysler product. The AMC era Cherokees were nightmares to work on, the Inline 6 was still a beast but Chrysler did a lot to make it better.

>>32281743
that's because it is a soccer mom car. the only difference is that one has flashing lights and makes a lot of noise

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Ice Cream truck.

>>32280297
This. Wmo from all of the downed vehicles blended with their aged fuel

>>32286138
Fuck no

>>32278774
>ankle sprained
but how?

>>32285975
Pretty sure the point is if you make it to your cabin you're good.

>>32286138
It's complete garbage.

>>32281992
good luck getting one lol but it would be a good choice
>diesel
>big ass tires

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>>32286195

I'm just paranoid of Chrysler products

Alternative answer is AMC eagle

>>32286195

>Like the look of new jeeps
>cause fuck you thats why
>They killed Chekov tho

Yeah. Nah. Fucking fuck.
And I fucking hate these mid-size trucks with like baby sized beds in them.

>>32282583
Nah alcoholic

>>32287232
The majority of shit in YJs and XJs was leftover AMC shit. I was surprised at how spartan the Chrysler era jeeps were. They really didn't do much with them aside fuck with styling and add better ignition systems and better rear diffs in the last XJs and YJs.

T-case, transmission, engine remained the same pretty much.

Honestly though if you want a solid Jeep, get a Kaiser and drop a Cummies Turbo Daddy into it. Disregard AMC AND Chrysler and get the best shtf jeep.

>>32278481
diesel truck.

you can run damn near anything in them. black diesel will actually run better than the modern pump diesel will, since pump is low sulfur now, and causes your EGTs to go way up.

>>32281941
changing brake shoes on a semi is dead-nuts simple. s-cam drum brakes are so easy even a simp like you can do it

>>32280962
>[...] they are quite rare in the west.
Really? They're one of the most common utes out there here in Australia. I probably see a couple dozen on the way to work each day.

>>32278481
A horse.

My sailboat.

>>32280157
most reliable yes. nothin's perfect faggot

>>32282025
Why is grampa wearing a helmet on a fucking Rascal?

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>>32281752
> not the strikingly improved 4th gen
> are you my stupid older brother

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>>32284067
Valid points.

I don't see ghost level noise discipline being required. If you get about 2-3 miles away from a highway you can no longer hear the vehicles. Noise is't even a major concern with current army vehicles, even the tanks are fairly tame outside a mile. The jake break noise carries for miles though.

I would hope anyone who considers a vehicle as a shtf tool would of taken the design details into consideration instead of just grabbing the first shitbox they found off the side of the road.

I don't think we'll see any SHTF Cadillacs, but maybe a few ford Taurus' if they lift and put proper wheels on them.

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>>32286138

if you want some ideas about shtf check out this place called SHTF school online

dude spent a full year basically in fallout town during kosovo war

rather than evacuate the city, they kept everybody in there so they could tear each other apart pretty much

>>32282059
>70-80km range
>30-40kg
Not even worth it
There is also a few horrors in there, such as the undersized spoilers, meaning you can't use it properly on mud/dirt/stone/gravel without getting hit in neck/back/head

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>>32278481
the ruski-mobile

>>32284190
that looks comfy as fuck. would park innawoods and camp forever/10

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