J-20 first batch in service

>>32266807
Neato.

The New Arms Race trundles on, for the betterment of all human sciences.

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The J-20 is sure a sexy aircraft.

It's like the wetdream of the European engineers who developed the groundwork for canard-delta designs in the 80's.

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Hopefully the in-service variants will get that splinter camo.

>>32266975
>all these control surfaces

I can fap to that!

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>>32266955
Chinese Planes nowadays always look pretty european.

>>32267007
Makes me wonder if many Chengdu engineers studied in Europe

>>32267052
J-10 is an (((American))) design and an example of why Israel should have been prohibited from buying F-35s.

>>32267007
That's a copy of the Israeli lavy

>>32267167
>Israeli
KEK!!

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>>32267052
Size wise and many other design traits are totally different.

Only thing in common between those two is the delta-canard layout and maybe the tip of the vertical stabilizer.

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>>32267196

>>32267137
WTF is this?

It's rather baseless claim.

Just the position of the canards showcase that each design uses the canards for different things.

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>>32267203
Wing design and position of the canards are telltale sign.

>>32267211
read the article

>>32267203
Profile wise that looks remarkably like an F-5 Tiger II with delta wings.

Sorry if I'm jumping into the middle of an argument, I just really like the Tiger II.

>>32267052
>Makes me wonder if many Chengdu engineers studied in Europe

Is this a thing? Is there a tangible between where in foreign countries engineers have studied and design on planes or other military equipment. Some examples?

>>32267229
Huh?

We are talking about universities on master and doctoral degrees level.
And you are indeed influenced by the country and university.

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>>32267222
you mean the J-10 or Lavi?

Yeah, Lavi's fuselage looks kinda shorter and with the bubble canopy so far back, it makes it look kinda cute and light-fighter-like.

J-10 project was started as interceptor.

Levi was a fighter bomber.

J-10 is from the basic aircraft design closer to the Gripen.

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The B looks so much nicer than the A.

Good that the A isnt being mass-produced anymore (only single copies for attritional replacement).

Latest count put at last 130 J-10Bs already.

I think I have never seen the claim that the J-10 is based from Lavi in official US papers.

It's more a media and internet thing. Like people claiming that the J-20 is a rip-off of the F-22.

Based on Russian sources.

China will get the first 4 of the 24 Su-24 next week. I'm interested to see if that deal really happened.

>>32267312
>Su-24

eh... Su-35

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>>32267303
The F-22 copy claim is pretty brainless. Previously, the much "better" claim was the J-20 was based on the MiG-1.44 or 1.42.

But even that claim is BS, since the J-20 is basically the continuation and revival of the J-9VI-2 project of the 70s, which failed due to multiple technological reasons, chiefly amongs them being the lack of FBW technology (engine also, but not as much as it was designed with turbojets in mind).

How many J-20 can China pull out until 2020?

>>32267530
three fiddy.

actually, maybe 2-3 regiments (each 24 birds) at moderate pace.

If geopolitics demands it, maybe they can have about 100+ by 2020.

But this is conjecture based on the current production capacity. There was a news headline lately that China wants to massively increase fighter production capability, mentioning the auto-industry as example.

>>32267007
Gee I wonder why

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>>32267007
Most Yuropean looking is the JH-7/A naval bomber.

Jaguar+Tornado

>>32267578
Where do they get build?

How large are the aircraft building facilities?

>>32267303
>I think I have never seen the claim that the J-10 is based from Lavi in official US papers.
You haven't looked hard then considering it was widely reported.

No one is claiming the J-10 is a 1:1 copy. The design definitely uses US/Israeli IP despite Chang claiming otherwise. It also led to South Africa's jet program too.

>>32267932
>You haven't looked hard

I see

>>32267932
The claim was made by Russians.

>>32267156
Lol u dumb fuck

>>32267218
You don't know shit about wing loading profile

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>>32267840
At the original plants, initially. But some also have production lines in other places. All depends on how many lines they open up.

As for facilities, they seems to adopt the same sort of pulse-line procedure as Lockmart does.

>>32267932
You don't work in the industry, you don't have a degree in aerospace, you only have a 2 digit iq. So why are you even talking?

>>32268385
owned

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>>32267328
Looks like the Dassault MD750 Spectre (aka Mirage mach III) with canards and twin tails.

Same period, and failed for the same reasons, too ambitious and fly by wire tech not mature enough. No prototype built. Studies led to the Mirage 2000 though.