Does height give an advantage in modern combat?

>>32255821
Smaller bodies smaller targets manlets will inherit the earth fucking lanklets get off my board REEEEEEE

>>32255821
It does. To the enemy.

>>32255836
Spot on.
There are Studies on that stuff, especially on height average in Europe after wars in 19th-20th century, but i can't be bothered to search for any.

>>32255836
Slender body, slimmer targets.

Hungry Skeletons will inherit the Earth.

>>32255821
No, the hitbox is the same across all player models.

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>yfw too small to get hit by a bullet

Manlet zergs win wars.

>>32255899
They also eat less, require less fabric to make a uniform, cost less to transport halfway across the globe and are inherently more aggressive (like a pekinese).

>>32255920
>and are inherently more aggressive
Do you have a source on that?
Im interested

>>32255821
They walk faster but they are also easier to shoot and eat more. Tall people make shit tank crews. It really depends on what you need them for.

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Your Humvee/BMP/enclosed vehicle ride will probably be a lot less comfortable if you're tall. You might be able to straight-up unable to fit into a plane or tank as well. It depends.
If I remember correctly, Soviet tanks were quite literally designed to be operated by manlets and manlets only. Don't quote that, though.

>>32255976
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex

>>32256011
>Soviet tanks were quite literally designed to be operated by manlets and manlets only
Replace Soviet with every nation that has 2 braincells to rub together.

US Navy used to not allow in anyone over 5'7".

>>32256032
Your source states that it's a myth.

>>32255986
>Tall people make shit tank crews.
True dat.

Also shit pilots, sub crews, hell anyone trapped inside a goddamn boat.

Being tall is superior in most every other way, but in vehicular combat, not so much.

>>32256047
Stay salty, manlet.

>>32256047
You've never met an honry little shit have you? Not that guy, trust me it's true.

>>32256060
>Stay salty, manlet.
>and are inherently more aggressive
Well, shouldn't manlets be mad instead of salty?

>>32256040
You left out the part where he said don't quote that when you quoted him baka

>>32256011

nice pic

>>32256092
thx

>>32255836
>What is sexual selection

>>32255821
>hickok45goestothereenactment.jpg

>>32255976
They are more agressvive because they have to fear to get attacked by taller guys.
So they intimidate their opponent with agressive behavior.
They are the peacocks of the humanrace.

>>32256082
Manlets get so mad they turn salty.

>>32256011
Thanks doc

Being tall gives you the advantage of not being a fucking disgrace to the human race.

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5'10" manlet king here. Feels bad man. I have often thought that my shorter, stout frame would be the ideal body type for mechanized crew where compactness and strength are key assets.

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>>32255887

>>32255821
>ITT: manlets try to justify their existence

>>32256727
>PROTIP: They can't
Fuck them. They are evolutionary throwbacks.

>>32256404
>5'10"
How are you a manlet?

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Bantam Thread?

>An unhappy sergeant major in the Northumberland Fusiliers complained: "Sir, them bloody little dwarfs have built up the fire steps so they could see over. Now when my lads stand up, half their bodies are above the parapet." The Bantams were told to put two sandbags on the step instead.

>>32255976
>"Their quarrelsome reputation was legendary," wrote Sidney Allinson in his book The Bantams. After frequent bar brawls they became known around Glasgow as the Devil Dwarfs.

>In William Boyd's 1987 novel The New Confessions, the protagonist, John James Todd describes an encounter during WW1 with the Bantams: "We came out of the fire-bay. Five very small men - very small men indeed - sat around a tommy-cooker brewing tea. They looked at us with candid hostility. They wore kilts covered with canvas aprons. Their faces were black with mud, grime and a five-day growth of beard. Two of them stood up. The tops of their heads came up to my chest. Neither of them could have been more than five feet tall. Bantams…"

>>32256059
>Tfw all you want to do is fly an A-10 or some shit but you're 6'4"

Audie Murphy 5'5"
Simo Hayha 5'3"
Chesty Puller 5'7"

Manlets confirmed stone cold.

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So lets put butthurt idiots aside and get back to the topic: what are effects of a height in modern combat? Well, apart from obvious things like smaller frame being less noticeable and harder to hit/bigger hand reaching range of tall people.

>>32257471
You eat less, take less material to dress in camo and take way less fuel to deploy. You are more economical in any way imaginable.

>>32256109
>sexual selection

Only the predominant form of selection in peacetime with an excess of resources

Which, unfortunately for burger manlets, is pretty much always

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>>32257607
What about stuff like heat signature? Are small-framed soldiers more noticeable on FLIRs because tighter body composition causing lower heat dissipation? Just a guess.

>>32257676
IDK. Less height=less body mass=less heat dissipated because less heat produced?

>>32257676
I know my hungry skeleton body has shit circulation, so any heat will gather in my chest and head.

It feels like everyone are ignoring the obvious thing here. 99% of the time soldiers are not going to be in a firefight, and taller soldiers have an advantage in marching faster. So i hate to shit on the manlet internet defense force but taller soldiers move faster and are therefore they can secure objectives faster than the little manlets who get stuck with their stumpy little legs 10 miles back.

>>32256047

Just because it's a stereotype doesn't mean it's not true.

>>32255821

With regards to infantry engagements, height--or lack thereof--will not in itself be an advantage. However, the mass of a combatant can make a difference.

Especially if we're considering only those that would be considered in "good" physical condition, being taller/larger WILL affect that person's basal metabolic rate. This means that they are slightly more logistically taxing than their smaller peers.

However, one of the stereotypical advantages of being large is that you're more likely to handle heavier weapons easily. GPMGs like the M240 and PKM are both heavy and awkward to use. A person that is taller will have a larger frame and will thus have an easier time carrying and wielding a MG because it is relatively lighter and smaller to them than it is to the average person.

>>32257150
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_(military)

Holy heck this is a real thing! The anecdotes are pure hilarity. A true tale of manlet rage unleashed.

>>32258657
>The first bantam battalions were recruited in Birkenhead, Cheshire, after Alfred Bigland, MP, heard of a group of miners who, rejected from every recruiting office, had made their way to the town. One of the miners, rejected on account of his size, offered to fight any man there as proof of his suitability as a soldier, and six men were eventually called upon to remove him. Bantam applicants were men used to physical hard work, and Bigland was so incensed at what he saw as the needless rejection of spirited healthy men that he petitioned the War Office for permission to establish an undersized fighting unit.

>short of stature
>bearded miners
>ornery fighters

Never doubt that Dwarves are real.

>>32258629
>GPMGs like the M240 and PKM are both heavy and awkward to use.

True story: When I was an Airborne infantryman, most of the Machine Gunners were either true alpha height (I'm 6'4", and another one was like 6'6"), or angry manlets. Tall guys could jump larger weapons case more easily, but the small guys seemed to do pretty well. There just weren't just as many of them.

Also, during Division review in the 82nd, all the tallest dudes are put up front, and they all carry MGs, whether there actual squad position is as a machine gunner or not.

>>32258773
I WAS BORN IN BIRKENHEAD! Thankfully my parents aren't from there so I'm not a manlet!

I never knew this. Thanks guys

>>32258629
nah man, heavier weapons and rockets and shit go to the skinniest short person.

or the shitbag

>be lanket
>run around with bayo afixed
>trip and get stabbed in the face
>be manlet
>run around with bayo afixed
>perfectly safe

>>32256809
/fit/ and other places raise the manlet bar an inch or two every year. I believe the current 'cutoff' is about 6'5

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>>32258866
>>32256809
For your records

>>32256011
thx doc

>>32255821

Longer arms = able to operate certain guns from prone. There's a height requirement for a certain LMG I believe.

>>32258890
6'7 master race reporting in, I feel like it doesn't matter what height you are as long as you can get behind cover and move swiftly and quickly.

>>32255887
Aiming center mass, there's more room for verticle error. Less missed shots shooting tall skeletons.

>>32258529
Good point

if you're fighting in fucking 1863

>>32258629
/fit/ tells me manlets gets a advantage in lifting. Something to do with short limbs providing mechanical advantage.

>>32255821
Like in most things in life it is best to be around average.

Most equipment is designed with you in mind, easier to find equipment that fits well, easier to find replacement gear when shit breaks, military vehicles are designed with you in mind and blend in better which helps you avoid shitty tasks.

And outside combat.

Easier to find clothes and other products. All vehicles, public spaces, buildings are designed for you. You goods are cheaper as they are produced in higher quantities, you can always find something that fits you in a store. No need for custom anything.

>>32259401
There is some truth in this. Manlets can excel in push up and pull ups due to leverage. They do max out faster, and bigger generally equals stronger, all else being equal.

>>32259688
If you're tall as fuk or short as fuk your clothing will be mint condition tho, all average-size equipment is used to hell

>>32259769
Maybe in the US where you can just buy humongous amounts of shit for no other reason than "lol why the fug not".

In my experience as a conscript if you had weird proportions you were basically fucked until they scrounged up some ancient boots for you.

Average equipment might have been a bit worn but it got replaced instantly if it broke.

Also if you were tall and a panzer pioneer your existence would be pure hell inside any troop transport. Hyper manlets had other problem.

>>32259815
Yeah i'm not american either and I'm startin to think I'm in the same country as you, spent conscription in the AF tho where all the money goes to them planes

there was a chick with like EU size 35 foot, they had her rubber boots custom ordered for her

Tall men get promoted more, so they are officers in secure bunkers while Manlets do all the dying

>>32256065
Ornery*

>>32255821
Not yet. Once we evolve scales made of diamond, we'll be walking tanks.

Manlets blown the fuck out

>>32255821
Yeah, it's you the advantage of not being assigned the 240

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>>32256011
I'm 194cm and had no trouble get in and out of MT-LB in full combat gear

>>32260032
>you don't choose the ällitälli life, ällitälli life chooses you

>>32259202
Try to hit me horizontally fagsiccle.
>>32259942
You know you misspelled something when autocorrect doesn't even know. Yeah, that.

>>32258900
Arm length isn't proportionate to height. Some 5' 8" guys have wingspans longer than 6' 1" guys.

>>32258890
>6'7"
Literally 10% of the population
That means that 10% of people aren't getting laid

>>32256109
Not good for you
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2736144/Tall-men-married-quickly-want-relationship-marry-short-man-say-researchers.html

>>32260126
Always make an honest approach paying attention to how and why words form cohesiveness.

>>32260335
What? I admitted you spelled it correctly, so shut up.

This is 4chan, not my 12 page Thesis paper. I don't fucking care.

Nose rolling my keyboard jhfstufgtggfjioutryhhfy

>>32260367
Then keep having spelling errors faggot.

>>32260443
Was that an insult? Ok junior.

>>32260205
Not that anon but
>daily mail

>>32260471
No, you're truly a faggot for not learning.

>>32255821

6'5" here.
The only advantage I found that I had was that it was much easier for me to carry a shitload of gear than the smaller guys.
100 pounds of crap was less a burden to me than 70 pounds for a smaller guy.

Make ruck marches easy as fuck too.
Basically just felt like walking to school with a big backpack on.

>>32260521
You're lost kid if you think correcting that guy, or anyone on 4chans grammar or spelling is worthwhile. You might have no shit autism.

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>>32260521
>he took the extra time to add that apostrophe just to try and reinforce his point.

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Ok /k/, in all seriousness and all memes absolutely and completely aside, what is the actual normal height for a dude?

What is the cut off?

Does it truly make a difference?

>>32260655
Your Google broken?

>>32260601
Nice try, faggot.

>>32260655
Depends on the country. I believe world average is around 5'8 or so.

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>>32260700
What do you think the US Average is?

I have a feeling that it varies a bit with the different races and ethnicities

>>32260655
According to wikipedia the average height for a white male in the US is 5'5". Which has to be low.

>>32260763
There's no way, 5'5?

I'm a cunt hair away from 6'1 and I feel short around a lot of people in the Pacific Northwest.

>>32260763
That's female. For males it's around 5'10 or 176cm. Blacks are about the same. Hispanics tend to be smaller. US average height for males is 5'9 or 173cm. I'm 5'9 and 75% of men are within two inches of my height in either direction.

>>32260785
No you aren't.

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>>32260804
ok

>>32260763

that's objectively false though, wikipedia says it's 5'10 you faggot.

>>32256110
top kek
the man is a fucking giant though

>>32258890
Didn't know 185cm is manlet status. What kind of tiny manlet made this image?

Height cut off for the us military is 6'8". I had to get a height waiver bc im 6'10", first time my meps office had to get one... my nickname was bullet sponge

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>>32260655
>actual normal height for a dude
Clearly this will trigger some faglords but it's related to your race/phenotype.
There is a reason why people from the Balkan, who are predominantly dinaric, are the tallest on average.

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>>32256011
>mfw seeing pic related in back of one of our 1151's
>guy is a least 6'8'', and a LTG having comfort issues

I'm 6'2'' and even that sucked in backseat of a truck, or really any place in bradley.

>>32260655

> what is the actual normal height for a dude?


Between 5'9", and 6'4" is pretty normal for most men. If you are above or below that its because you are a freak and its part of your familys genetics.

>>32261110
Any vehicle crewman jobs are tough on tall guys, all the dudes over 6'1 in tracks who have been in long enough to have been on deployment have a distinctive hunch from having to run around in the track while in the water or combat locked

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>>32256059
...tall people make better pilots. I design aircraft for a living -> taller person = more vision in a fighter
For other aircraft height isn't a problem as nowadays cockpits are designed for 5 percentile to 95 percentile pilots (4'11" and 6'3" in Canada, idk about anywhere else)
>pic related, viewing diagram for FAR25

>>32255821
>Don't talk to me or my wife's Gefreiter ever again.

>>32261326

For all the billions of dollars planes cost, you cant just put in a fucking seat adjuster, so that no matter the pilots height they sit at the exact same level?

>>32260763
Average male height in the US is 5'8", average height for non-hispanic white male is 5'10".

Average height for non-hispanic white in states that border Canada is 6'1".

And every generation is taller.

I'm 5'8", and a non-hispanic white, in a state that borders Canada. I am shorter than at least 70% of my peers, and probably 80% of 18 year olds.

My father is 6'1", but he fell for the short girl (5'1") meme. I got her legs, but his torso and arms. I feel like a gorilla some times.

>>32261477
No, because all of the controls would be out of reach for a shorter pilot.

>>32261326
>be 6'3
>too tall to become fighter pilot
>too tall to drive tanks

>>32261477
You'd have to make every control move to accommodate this. Which basically means every surface in the cockpit because aircraft have a gorillion controls.

And doing all that would add cost, complexity, and weight. Which you aren't supposed to do without good reason, and that shit aint good reason.

Why do manlets even want to fly fighters? The ejection seats are way more likely to kill a manlet than a normal sized man.

>>32261570
It's literally 5'4" to 6"4 how short are the people applying?

>>32261562
Honestly in the aircraft that I designed (still in the conceptual phase) being taller than 6'3" isn't a problem, and isn't in most aircraft either. Someone as tall as 6'8" can fit in most cockpits if they slouch. Usually 6" is reserved for space between the top of the pilot's head and the bottom of the glass. Keep in mind that a helmet has to occupy this space as well

>>32261594
see
>>32261326
Aircraft are designed for 4'11" to 6'3"

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>>32261616
There are men able to join the military that want to be a pilot that are below 4'11"?

>>32261631
Female 5th percentile, 1 in 20 females is below 4'11". Planes designed in the fifties used 5'4" as the lower limit because females didn't fly.

>>32259272
Nope, the first guy was right. In 1863 you had to wait for the horses to draw the cannons that were slowing down the whole army. On the battlefield, you were expected to keep a pace.

Nowadays the infantryman is the slowest part of the army. The faster he is, the quicker he can accomplish his objective.

>>32256059
>>32257290
they won't let us be astronauts either :(
gotta be 6ft or shorter for that

>>32257290
I know that feel. You can't do anything with vehicles when you're 6'7"

>>32261326
Not fighter aircraft, canopy height adds drag

>>32258813
>tallest man doesn't get weapons
>goes to skinniest short person or the shitbag
>shitbag

Can't be fighter pilots, tankers or submariners,

>>32258813
Maybe in shitty mech units where marching doesn't matter because you fight out of brads, HMMWVs, et al, but airborne understands that the big guys can carry more.

>>32258890
Sweet I am now average
I'm 6'5" and was an infantryman, and I know for a fact I can make my self vary small. If you have ever been shot at for an extended period of time you will understand.

>>32255821
>can't carry as much
>can't mount many obstacles
>can't use anything longer than an M4 non-braced
>can't run as quickly
>generally weaker
>absolutely fucked in any H2H other than ground-fighting
>can't do muh tacktikal boosts
>need lighter (weaker) armour (more likely to die within the first few seconds of an ambush)
>locals will think he's a fucking demon
>will be trampled by goats
>tiny balls of rage and impotence

No, it certainly does not.

>>32262653
Yeah because we totally install a different canopy for each height... The standard allows almost anyone to fit in the cockpit

>>32265603

B8 so lazy I won't even post an image of bait.

>>32255821
No. Stop asking. Stop making these threads.

Saged.
Reported.
Reported again with WiFi off.

>>32265661
get b8d ya gay midget

>>32256011
I remember a news article about how the improvements to nutrition made all the chinese grow taller and unable to fit in their tanks

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>>32255821
I know those little child-sized Black Ops that skipped around with Glocks in Half-Life 1 were darn hard to kill.

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>>32255821
>TFW in the WWII midgets was the perfect crew for the T-34

>>32258529
>therefore they can secure objectives faster

And die faster.

>>32261900
But he doesn't walk anywhere. He almost always rides in a humvee or APC or a helicopter.

Marching speed is irrelevant for a modern military.

>manlets are good at dying in war
Awesome, more pussy for the rest of us lanklets. As if we didn't get all the pussy already haha.

>>32266724
Can someone tell me, what was max height to be t34 crew?

>>32262749
Fighter pilot max height is like 6'5"

I think the question OP is really asking is whether elves or dwarves could fight a modern war better.

midget can be better tank crew

>>32259999
Quads confirm truth

>>32257471
If you're taller, might be you can peek or vault over places the homunculi cannot, and longer stride means they can potentially move faster.
Likewise, those who are vertically challenged might find it easier to squirm through small holes, or hide in more creative places, while a taller person is kinda limited to hiding in the chimney.
Not gonna lie, it seems like the military is the perfect place for stubby fellers.

>>32258890
>6'1
>Manlet
What the fuck? What fucking Skellybones made this? The US average height it 5'10, the average women's height is 5'4. The "perfect" body type fucking towers over the average girl in the non-intimidating way, like the "hey there Stretch Armstrong looking fag" way

>>32258813
>or the shitbag
this is the most common

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>>32256110

lel

>>32260032

>cm

speak english pls

>>32255821
Just a bigger target to disembowel.

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>>32256110

>>32268946
>salty he isn't at least 2 meters tall

>>32267012
>Dwarves
Vehicle crew only, their short legs would make marching and climbing even more difficult

>Elves
High mobility but more delicate and difficult to replace means specialized roles like scout snipers. Better to use them to keep up morale.

>>32260979
Kek.

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>>32266918

5'6''

>>32255821
Talked to a guy who was an engineer on a sub.
Dude was 6ft 7in tall 250lbs
Said it was a nightmare

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>>32255836
>bigger bodies, smaller wounds