What are good calibers to pick from if I want a lever action?

>>32250775
30-30, .357, or .44 mag are probably your best bets as far as availability is concerned.

That being said, I think the .35 Remington is seriously underrated.

>>32250775
They all work fine. Larger caliber = less bullets, basically.

30-30, .357/.38 & 45-70

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>>32250775
.50ae

I have a 45-70... Pricey to shoot but god damn I love it

45-70 because reasons

>>32250775
.30-30

>>32250775
Don't fall for the .30-30 meme, hot .357 loads in a carbine basically have the same muzzle energy

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>>32250946

>>32250812
Wish it was more common, but at least Leverevolution's decently priced for what is available.

Is 45/70 worth it?

Or should I just get a 45 colt or 44 magnum?

I have a 357 rossi and kinda want a marlin or a large loop carbine rossi. (Or maybe a henry if 45/70)

>>32251485
I dont hunt.

Marlin 1895 in 45-70

>>32251485
.45-70 is expensive, and recoils like a big guy

>>32250820
As long as you know how to shoot you should be good

>>32251559
But is it fun to plink with? Or would it be a waste?

>>32251596
You don't plink with .45-70
But shooting it is fun

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>>32250775
.30-06
.405 Winchester
7.62x54R
.303 British
.30-40 Krag.

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>>32251630

You can if you reload. Even if you don't cast your own, you can buy hardcast .458 bullets for next to nothing. Bullets, primers, and powder will run less than $20 for everything per 100 assuming you already have the brass.

>>32251716
So basically if I buy 100 rounds of factory ammo or starline brass I can reload that for a while for cheap?

How are 44 magnum leverguns?

>>32251758

If you load your brass light, that 100 pieces will last a dozen reloads easy.

My bud has a Rossi .44 Mag lever gun. Its kind of crude but he likes it and they're cheap.

>>32251786
Any powder you would recommend for beginner reloader for 38s or 45/70 loads.

>>32250889
just fuck my shoulder up fampai

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>>32251810

Alliant Reloder 7 is an awesome .45-70 powder. Great velocity, super cleaning burning, moderate pressures even on the hottest loads. I use it for my .45-70 loads in my BFR. There is almost zero carbon or unburned powder after a few cylinders.

Another good powder is IMR4895. It is an older but extremely versatile rifle powder with plenty of loads available from everything from tiny varmint cartridges to big bore dangerous game cartridges and everything in between.

For the .38, Unique is an excellent handgun powder.

>>32251706
>implying one can find an 1895 in half those calibers

>>32251810
I like 231 for .38 SPL (and most pistol rounds)

>>32251002
The ballistics will not be the same.

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>>32251888
Just fuck my wrists up.

>>32250775
.357 or .44 magnum
everything else is pure memery

30/30 is obsolete, packs less juice than a .357 and can fit less in the tube
it was good in it's day but it's time to hang up them spurs.
factory ammo is getting weaker and weaker every year so faggots down blow up old clapped out POS junk guns and bubba'ed crap-rods in their faces

45/70 is clownshoes
an antiquated oversized black powder cartridge brought back by LARPing faggots
you might as well throw silver dollars downrange

50AE
not even worth discussing.

>>32253967
But what about ballistics?

How effective are those over the rest for range and in air performance?

>>32253967
>you might as well throw silver dollars downrange
Learn to handload you mouthbreathing git.
You can get much better performance out of handloading .45-70 than many commercial loads for less money.

>>32253976
.357 is a good light rifle round but it won't have the reach or ballistics of .30-30

>>32253976
a levergun is not intended for 3000 meter noscope 360 kills bubba.

the very nature of their design precludes the tack driving accuracy you might expect from a good bolt action or even a modern semi-auto

the ballistic coefficient of any round doesnt really come into play inside 200 meters

further, unless you get a box mag fed levergun (a savage 99, or win '71 for example) you cant use spitzers, so youre stuck with flat noses or at best round noses to prevent chainfires in the tube.

when fired from a rifle length barrel (16"+), magnums deliver great performance at a discount price.
you kane keep yogi and boo boo out of your pik-a-nik basket or just plink at the range without dropping mad cash

>>32253985
i DO handload you blithering spastic, but even handloads in 45/70 cost a packet compared to the dirt cheap cost of loading .357 or .44, and since a levergun user will likely be getting a revolver, he can match calibers, saving expenses, weight and trouble, particularly when he is making his bug-out bag

try using your noggin elmer.

>>32253988
30/30's have become even more anemic as the rifles firing that round grow long grey beards.

to help prevent litigation, 30/30 factory loads are getting weaker and weaker, while .357 and .44's just keep getting hotter.

i love the 30/30, but it simply isnt making the cut any more.
it was never a long range cartridge anyway.

>>32251884
Wut

>>32254042
>30/30's have become even more anemic as the rifles firing that round grow long grey beards.
So handload.

>Ctrl-F ''45-120''
>0 results
Y'all a bunch of limpwristed faggots.

>>32251884
.50 AE only has about 1600ftlbs of muzzle energy, about on par with 7.62x39. It's perfectly managable in a rifle, unless you're used to shooting rimfire.

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Who can say no to some 45-70 memes?

>>32254079
> No-Gunz wants to become Haz-Gunz
> now he has to handload too because you fudds cant recomend a good all-around caliber for a No-Gunz

jesus motherfucking christ on a pogo stick.

why do you dinks have to turn every question into a masturbatory wank-fest of meme-calibers, delusional assertions and impossible to find guns?

no, he is not gonna by an ariaska with an imperial chrysanthemum on the ring.

no he is not gonna buy one of the TWO existing examples of a .45 acp Luger.

no, he does not need $30,000 worth of optics, rails, bipods, monopods, tripods, picatinny rails, threaded barrels, 300 rnd drum magazines and .50 BMG AP Incendiary rounds to learn to shoot.

>>32254111
Calm down there grandpa, you're projecting an awful lot of things which aren't even talked about in this thread.

>>32250775
.50 BMG

>>32254126
No-Gunz wants a recommendation on a good lever gun

45/70, 50 ae and 30/30 are NOT good choices for a No-Gunz

he didnt ask what caliber he should choose if he wants to drop $2 a shot, or spend $2000 on a progressive press, dies and consumables then spend months learning to use it without blowing his face off when the bolt snaps cuz he thought grains = grams

>>32253967
>30/30 is obsolete, packs less juice than a .357 and can fit less in the tube
>7.62x39 ballistic equivalent rifle round
>Less juice than a pistol round
You're a special kind of dumb, right?

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>>32254019
>further, unless you get a box mag fed levergun (a savage 99, or win '71 for example) you cant use spitzers

I've heard it's a good idea to avoid newer Marlins because the guns are produced by Remington. Is that accurate?

>>32254339
There's a time period where they were bad, but new production are good again.

Most of them, anon. Most of them are pretty goddamn good.

>>32251559
uuuu

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Been looking for a lever gun to round out my revolver and short shotgun (Coach, not sawed off). LGS has a Mossburg 30-30 for $400, and local Dicks Sporting Goods has the 336 in 30-30 for $520. Is the Mossman a decent rifle? Will it be as hearty as my MooseMan 500?

>>32254179
> leverevolution bullets
> $21.59 for a box of 20 from Midway
> for a rubber tip
yes, a rubber tipped spitzer will totally overcome the limitations of the 30/30 cartridge, for the bargain price of $21.59 + tax and shipping ... for TWENTY bullets!!

>>32250812
My dad loves his .35 Remington, says .30-30 just doesn't have enough ass behind it. It's a nice calibre.

>>32254111
>>32254146
I agree with everything except for 30/30 is a good starter round. doesnt kick that hard and is cheap and readily available.

Took my Marlin 336A out last weekend had a blast.

>>32256335
Yeah, well, that's great that you have those kinds of options in .30-30. I've got a .35 Rem 336, so Leverev just happens to be the least expensive option.

And reviews for it point to a straighter shooting round that both has better penetration and permanent wound channel than round-nose bullets.

>>32250775
30-30!!!

>>32256390
My grandpa reportedly split trees with his .35.

>>32251485
>Is 45/70 worth it?

For a regular shooter, .45-70 and .460xvr are my pics. The .45-70 is a great caliber that is incredibly accurate and predictable out several hundred yards, nearly untouched by crosswinds. The .460 is a flat shooting heavy hitter that you can get an accompanying revolver in the same caliber.

Other than that I saw a 16" 9mm with a 16" suppressor on it a few years ago. That thing was pretty sweet.

>>32251559
For you

>>32251884
>just fuck my shoulder up fampai

Back to middle school with you.

>>32256522
> B-b-but what about my family heirloom
Nogunz was asking for a good cartidge for a lever gun, not what levergun is most expensive to shoot, hardest to find ammo for, or requires him to become a handloader because factory ammo was never made for his grandpappy's 35 Whelen-Atkinsen Improved wildcat chambered krag jorgensen

if you were gonna go out and buy a new levergun today, would you choose a .35 rem?
no, of course not.

would you choose a 30/30, maybe, but i would not.
in a lever gun, the .357 and .44 magnum rounds are fun cheap and easy to shoot, and perform well within the accuracy and range limitations of the levergun's design.

if i wanted a tack driving long range rifle for huntin bighorn sheep from 2 valleys away, i would NOT be looking for a lever gun, nor would i be looking at .357

.444 Marlin is the only answer

>>32253967
>357 or .44 magnum
>everything else is pure memery
>30/30 is obsolete, packs less juice than a .357 and can fit less in the tube
>it was good in it's day but it's time to hang up them spurs.
>factory ammo is getting weaker and weaker every year so faggots down blow up old clapped out POS junk guns and bubba'ed crap-rods in their faces
>45/70 is clownshoes
>an antiquated oversized black powder cartridge brought back by LARPing faggots
>you might as well throw silver dollars downrange
>50AE
>not even worth discussing.

This post is full of Pelosi levels of faggotry. Do not heed it's advice.

>>32251884
You're one of those kids that thinks .50 AE and .50 BMG are the same, aren't you? One of those, "did you know the deagle shoots the same bullets as a barrett 50 cal?" type people.

>>32256659
>would you choose a 30/30, maybe, but i would not
>Common, excellent deer round that still has a great range
>Recommending a pistol-caliber model instead

A .30-30 336 is under $600 and can reliably take North American deer.

>>32253967
>30-30 is obsolete
>drops more deer than any other caliber
>both yearly and all time

2/10 made me reply

>>32254146
>No-Gunz wants a recommendation on a good lever gun
>45/70, 50 ae and 30/30 are NOT good choices for a No-Gunz

Stop posting dumb opinions.

>>32250775
.30-30 and .357 magnum are the most ubiquitous lever action rounds. Both are pretty vanilla in their muzzle velocity and range; not great in any aspect but not bad in any either, decent all-around calibers. Prices aren't too bad either, considering.

>>32254339
See
>>32254409

I bought my 336 just this year and it's really a great gun. Just like he said they were shit for awhile but the last few years they've gotten back to proper form. Made in 'merica too.

>>32256698
To be fair, so can a .357. Out of a revolver. That said, "obsolete" is such a nebulous term. Is the .30-30 obsolete? I guess, but it's still taken out more deer than anything else with the possible exception of .44-40, which is considerably more obsolete. It's still everywhere, has basically no recoil or muzzle blast, has a point blank range of over 200 yards, and can be found literally everywhere.

Like, damn.

>>32251706
Mah nigguh.

>>32251891
The .30-06 one is extremely common but also rather frequently has headspace issues. They made more of them in .30-03 and .30-06 than all other calibers combined.

x54r is fairly common as well since they made about 160,000 Russian Muskets as well as their regular rifles in that caliber, just don't expect a levernugget to be common or in good shape.

The .303 is pretty fucking rare, I'll give you that, but .30-40 is decently easy to find.
>tfw cannot fucking find enough .30-40 rounds to feed mine.

>>32256698
I got my 336 from Wally World for $387. Exact same gun sells at my LGS' for nearly 200 buckaroos more

>>32251810
For .45-70 you have a LOT of options. I like Varget for full-power loads, if you're wanting to load light you can use something like RL7 or H4895.

For .38's, I've had a lot of fun with 2gr of Red Dot behind a 158gr lead roundnose, throws them at like 500fps with zero recoil. Just don't expect to kill anything more menacing than a paper target with it, and it will NOT reliably penetrate a blue oil drum at 5 yards.

>>32253943
Less recoil than .460s&w mag.

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>>32256775
>>32256748
>>32256698
>tfw picked up my 336Y carbine for 300 out the door because it was on clearance

Feels goodman.

>>32254173
He's correct though.

A modern factory .30-30 load (let's say the Remington Core-Lokt 150gr load), has less ME than a modern factory full-power .357 load (let's say the American Eagle 158gr load) from a rifle-length barrel (16-20"). .357 gains a whole hell of a lot of velocity out of long barrels, and will retain more kinetic energy than .30-30 to around 100 yards (where the significantly higher BC of a .30cal rifle bullet makes up the difference).

>>32256701
> rifle caliber that's been around since the 1850's
> takes deer.
wow.
thats awesome.
you want a cookie?

my grandpappy used a 30/30 levergun for deer and it still works.
he also used a rotary phone, drove a 1960's pickup truck with a rusty bed, called brazil nuts "nigger toes" and smoked cigars like a cuban dictator.

i would not recommend any of that shit to a kid today.

.357 and .44 magnum leverguns are cheap, fun to shoot, are readily available, can do double duty with your revolver, dont require a reloading setup and dont cost $2 every time you squeeze the trigger to take down a soup can on a fence

.357 and .44 are simply better choices than the antiquated 30/30, the hilariously expensive .50 AE, or the clownshoes 45/70 LARP round

he aint goin buffalo hunting, isnt trying to star in a new action picture opposite vin diesel with a brace of desert eagles fired akimbo while leaping through the air in a terrorist drug lab, and he probably isnt gonna be hunting deer in heavy brush.

>>32256519
Where the fuck are people finding .30-30 foe cheap

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>>32256836
>158 gr. .357
>~1400 ft/lb

>150 gr. .30-30
>~1900 ft/lb

>>32256836
welcome to the shitstorm amigo.
brace yourself for moronic replies to simple factual statements.

>>32256905
You're a special kind of retarded.
>.30-30 was invented in 1895
>there are plenty of 1960's trucks still around
>that's one of the funniest nicknames around, right after calling cormorants nigger geese, and should be preserved as culture and history
>cigars are GOAT smokable
Also factory .30-30 starts at about 60 cents a round even at your big-box stores.

>>32256935
from a pistol.

That same 158gr bullet will be moving at around 2200fps from a 16" rifle barrel, yielding 1700FPE of muzzle energy.

Meanwhile the current-gen Core-Lokt is moving at 2250fps, only 50fps faster, with a slightly lighter bullet.

Also the guy claiming .30-30 is getting weaker is wholly correct. I have 8 boxes of Remington Core-Lokt 150gr .30-30, the oldest lists the MV at 2490fps and the newest lists the MV at 2200fps.

>>32256981
Whoops.
>that being said
There's a HELL of a lot of variety in .30-30 ammo.

Here's a chart showing most brands and loads, ME ranges from under 1400FPE to over 2000FPE.
http://www.ballistics101.com/30-30_winchester.php

>>32256930
they arent.
they just feel the need to opine.

20 rnds of 30/30 STILL costs nearly twice the price of 50 .357's and doesnt give much better performance, yet they feel the burning need to defend their gri-gris.

meanwhile, the No-Gunz retard brigade is yelling about handloading custom $2 a pop bullets on obsolete black powder era rimmed cartridges because.... ummm...

shit i dont know.

>>32256935
cant figure out that 30/30 factory ammo is NOT loaded to SAAMI max spec anymore because lawsuits over exploding 150 year old rifles cost big dollars.

the .303 brit is likewise now far weaker than SAAMI spec with every factory ammo offering (except S&B...) because clapped out bubba'ed antiques may not withstand spec pressures.

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>>32250946
Because dinosaurs.

>>32256981
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/chris-dumm/lever-action-ballistics-30-30-vs-357-magnum/
The .357's rating was from an 18 inch barrel, the .30-30 from a 16.

Sorry to wreck your .357 memedream lad. But you're comparing a pistol cartridge to a rifle round.

>>32256758
.308/7.62x51 replaced .30-06 in military service mainly because they could get the exact same performance out of the smaller, rimless cartridge.

>>32257014
>not using the RPG
>not luring it through a huge string of narcotic traps then fugging it while it's unconscious

>>32257022
Okay...?

How is that in any way shape or form relevant to the model 1895?

>>32256687
I wouldn't imagine most firearm illiterate people know the difference. They hear "50 cal" and that's about it. Can't really blame them.

>>32257035
>implying I have the resources to be wasting fucking RPGs on wild dinos and not self defence of base

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>>32257019
Yep. Sure did totally shit all over my "memedream" there.

Surely.

>>32257070
Stop playing on official

>>32256954
> 1895
whew you got me there! your google kung fu must be super strong.

> plenty of 1960's trucks...
yeah.
they are totally the optimum choice for all drivers.

> 60 cents a round
for anemic underpowered cartridges that have been neutered by lawyers
midway sells em for $17.49 /box of 20, thats EIGHTY CENTS A ROUND, wall mart sells em for ~ $22 /box which would be even more.

meanwhile midway features plain vanilla .357's for $25 / box of 50.
ill leave that math to you.

>>32257082
>paying $3.25/rnd
Enjoy.

>>32250775
45-70

period

>>32257096
Funny, Winchester Super-X is $14.99 a box at walmart here.

Dick's Sporting Goods has all flavors of .30-30 except leverevolution for $15.99.

Surely it's 100% impossible for a community that tells everyone to buy every caliber online to look online for .30-30, which starts at 57c/rd for new production
>http://ammoseek.com/ammo/30-30-winchester

Maybe you're being a combative cunt because you dislike something old.

>>32253967
>30/30 is obsolete, packs less juice than a .357
Are you actally retarded?

>>32257118
> 45/70
cuz the buffalo tongue market is red hot!
you simply cant lose!!!

>>32257022
>30-06
>Rimmed?

What the fuck, did you not mean to make it sound like .30-06 is rimmed?

>>32257142
That's expensive as fuck

>>32257014
Wut game iz dat

>>32250775
I got a 30-30 and I personally recommend it. The rifle is more accurate then I am.

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>>32257118
Pleb.

.405 is where it's at.

>>32257178
...no? It's literally one of the cheapest centerfire rifle rounds?

>>32257194
Ark: Survival Evolved.

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>>32257178
If you're used to buying bulk 5.56 or 7.62x39 then yes it looks expensive. But it isn't, particularly compared to other hunting rounds like .30-06.

>>32257213
Mid tier in price. Not as cheap as extremely common rounds like .223, .308, 7.62x39, 5.45 but not expensive like outdated cartridges

>>32257142
> MY local walmart has lower prices than yours!
because everyone lives down the block from you.

> my local sporting goods store is having a closeout special!!
how nice for you.

> dislike something old
i AM something old.
that doesnt mean i have to recommend kids today should buy a horse and buggy, or learn morse code so they can get in on the ground floor of the newfangled telegraph industry

theres better options for a No-Gunz than 30/30, but youre really assblasted that somebody might disagree with you.

30/30 is the LEAST retarded cartridge being suggested
you may think 30/30 is far superior to .357 or .44, but that doesnt mean it's right for everybody.

but even a fool would have to agree that 45/70, and 50 AE are NOT good choices

if you want to impress the bubbas or spend $2 a pop on ammo, they are ideally positioned to capitalize on that market.

>>32250775
45-70 for home defense. Especially if you live in an apartment.

>>32257293
>45/70
cuz buffalo home invasions are rampant!
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

>>32257248
It's the second cheapest softpoint rifle ammo made (no, your steel-jacketed russian "soft point" x39 does not actually expand).

It's the fifth cheapest rifle ammo period, with only 5.56, .308, and the two x39's being cheaper (and .308 only being cheaper because of steel cased offerings). Even x54r is now more expensive.

It's the second cheapest brass-cased ammo available, only behind 5.56.

There are over 20,000 rifle calibers that are still being manufactured. Being in the top tenth-of-one-percent is hardly middle of the pack.

>>32257272
>comparing .45-70 to .50 ae
>ever

Nigger unless you're talking about BFR's, the fuck are you talking about?

>>32257314
just fuck my entire torso in half senpai

>>32251503
If you dont hunt 45-70 is kind of pointless. If you take it to the range you will shoot 3 or 4 shots and be done because of ammo costs.

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>>32251559
>cheeky

Honestly wondering this, but are there Leverguns on the market chambered for .38 special? Or at least capable of reliably loading and shooting it?

>>32257213
>paying more when you get the same performance out of 7.62x39
Why

>>32257332
> comparing 45/70 to 50 AE
in a levergun both are comparable in the cost per round, and limited availability of the ammo, and BOTH have been repeatedly suggested as the "best" choice for OP's hypothetical new levergun.

admittedly, the 45/70 has more going for it than the 50 AE, but either one is a poor choice for a No-Gunz first gun

if you are implying i have made some comparison of the ballistics of the 45/70 and the 50 AE, then i might suggest you learn to read.

>>32257419
If it can fire .357 it should have no issue with .38.

>>32257419
Yes.

a .357 can always fire a .38 spcl, whether rifle, revolver or zip gun made from plumbing pipe you assembled behind the toilet in your cell.

it's one of the delightful benefits of the .357

>>32257322
You can get x54r for around 50cpr.

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>>32251888
>Another good powder is IMR4895
mah niggah (not my pic but I use it for my M14s)

>>32257421
> 7.62x39 fanboys fapping over their waifu cartridge in a levergun thread.
ohh, senpai!
dont touch me there!!
OOOOOHHHH!

>>32251485
I'd say grab the .44 mag. 45-70 is great and everything, but it's too expensive to plink around with regularly. .44 mag is ~50 cents a round off the shelf

I've got a .44 mag marlin myself and I *really* like it

>>32257093
Private servers on Xbox don't connect 90% of the time.

>>32257477
I'm a 5.45x39 fanboy, actually.

>>32257479
>.44 Mag is $.50/rd

As the owner of a Redhawk I'm gonna need some sauce on that.

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>>32250775
>>32257479
>>32250812

OP you should pick .44 magnum

You should get a rossi 92 with as long a barrel as you can get, I think they have 10 capacity and feed from the side.

Its possible to rig up speed-loading tubes for them too, possibly combat practical but certainly increases the fun.

>>32250889
actually 50ae is barely rifle powered range, heavier bullet means more kick but I doubt this kicks harder than a 20 gauge

it has as much firepower as an AK if that tells you anything

>>32254028

I know how to solve that issue. Stop being a broke nigger.

>>32257009
Can you tell me where to get fifty rounds of .357 for sixteen bucks?

>>32250775
7.62x54R

>>32257322
>implying anyone considers the price of softpoints specifically
>implying 54r is cheaper than.30-30
>implying 5.45, .308, and 7.62x39 brass cased isnt cheaper
>implying anyone considers the thousands of obsolete cartridges when comparing ammo prices
For an intermediate caliber centerfire cartridge it is bordering on expensive and is definately not cheap.

>>32254111
When did OP say he was No-Gunz?

And if he is you're still wrong, if your first gun isn't a 22 you are handicapping your ability to learn real marksmanship.

>>32258393
The 14 inch barrel Rossi 92 has a 12 +1 +1.

>>32258690
How about $12.49
https://www.outdoorlimited.com/Tula-357-Magnum-158-gr-FMJ-50-per-box-p/ta357158.htm

oh you want brass? $13.75
https://ammomart.com/357-magnum-buffalo-cartridge-125gr-fp-rm-50-rounds

>>32258956
>everyone needs to get a .22 first because some little kids learn on .22

I already know your meme argument
>Muh cost

get an air rifle to practice with then
>Muh recoil

An adult male can handle .223, 7.62x39, 9mm, and 20 gauge without dumping $500 and weeks of range time whacking off with a .22

>Muh flinching

.22 has no recoil and can be comfortably shot without earpro, it does nothing to condition folks to gunfire.

>Muh traditions

Ok lemme stone you for being a faggot that was a tradition too

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>>32259119
>Comfortably shot without earpro

>>32259038
>Steel .357

Mother fuck that ammo. Shot it through my SP-101 and I had to beat the ejector rod on a table, they were so stuck.

>>32250775
.300 Savage if you're a real man.

>>32250775
generally 30-30, .44 magnum, or .357 for warm blooded targets under 250 lbs

>>32256812
Nicely done my man

>>32256905
This. There's some seriously delusional anons in this thread.
>Hurr deagle bullits lulz
>yeah bro just drop $1000 on a 45/70 lever gun then drop a few grand on reloading equipment that you don't know how to use or it will cost $100 every time you go to the range!
>Yeah 30-30 is the chambering for you bro look how many deer it's killed in 120 years and you can spend $25 per 20 bullets to use your lever gun for something it wasn't meant for! Btw 30-30 is cheap as fuck but I have no evidence lol

>>32259399

Basic RCBS single stage reloading setup that has pretty much all you need is $250. If I can figure out reloading, anyone can. Spend a little now, save a lot in the future.

>>32259159
Not all men are numale cucks like you

>>32259550
>The biology of my ears changes if I'm a tuff guy!

Lmao kill yourself retard or learn something

>>32257820
good taste

>>32259119
Take your meds

>>32253967
No guns or eurotrash? You can get a 45/70 round that can shoot into one side and out the other of an African Buffalo. You're good for anything except Elephant on this planet.
Go be a pantywaist somewhere else.

>>32254042
You a sniper? Long range? Just get closer, if you even hunt, you giant faggot vegan sissy.

>>32254126
Go get your diaper changed.

>>32258777
>7.62x54R
I like the cut of your jib.

>>32260487
> you must be prepared to defend yourself from rampaging tyrannosaurs, giant mecha and alien motherships

> anything that cant kill a bull elephant hopped up on PCP wearing class IV body armor and sporting a massive raging boner is useless, tactically speaking

> also, OpSec.

>>32251758
Generally speaking straight wall cases will last longer than bottleneck cases

>>32251810
Black powder

>>32257049
This.
A good example is the California firearms legislature.