a lot of the internet says these are good solid guns some of

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cheap shit

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>>32236170
They aren't bad, but if you have even held something better they are sort of meh.

>>32236170

When I got one a few years ago, it was the worst gun I've ever owned.
Would jam at least once a mag, even with very high quality mags.
And this was well after the break in period.
I ended up throwing it in the garbage.

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Shit tier, get something in the $800-$1200 range. Right now I would get a Colt with the bells and whistles and good fixed sights.

They're pretty adequate, for their price they're good value.

>>32236274
RIA has customer service you know.

>>32236170
I got one in 9mmlol because the lgs couldn't move it, and they sold it to me for next to nothing. It's a fun plinker, and surprisingly accurate.

>>32236412

Called them.
They didn't do shit.

>>32236227
What is that? No brand mark?

>>32236274
>>32236451
If you're gonna lie at least make it realistic, jesus

>>32236478

They gave me the bullshit excuses.
"Hurr break in period"
"Derp try different mags/ammo"
Even when I told them all these things weren't the problem.

>>32236315
>Comparing a $450 1911 with one worth over a grand
Wow I hate RIA now

>>32236170

Ive shot bowling pin with mine. Only malfunctions after break in were a couple mag lips tearing from being loaded with 8 rounds.

I can say thay it DID NOT like Chip McCormic mags. The follower would tilt back sometimes and jump the slide lock.

Using fully skirted follower magazines it runs good and is drcently accurate.

But, low end fit and finish, but got mine fro. Buds for $335 two years ago. Cyber Monday special... ai have no reason to upgrade for what I do with it.

>>32236170
they are great, just as good as springfield. they are quality pieces for the money. springfields shit is all made in the phillipines as well, probably at the same factory

>>32236499
>Throwing away a firearm that can be in any way unfucked
Yeah, that's where I know you're lying

>>32236170
My first handgun was a RIA. Never had a problem with it. I suggest buying their tactical models for the better sights.

>>32236531

>Chip McCormic mags
Those are literal trash anyway.
How they get such praise online is fucking beyond me.
The most garbage follower design I've ever seen in a magazine.

>>32236170
Put 3000 rounds through mine fine, no malfunctions ever. Anyone who said theirs was shit I don't really see it. Lots of features on it you don't get until you're into the $800-$1000 territory

>>32236569

I've thrown away several firearms that shit the bed and pissed me off.
Most expensive one was a Colt Series 70.
I sent it in for repair literally 5 times, and took it to a gunsmith twice.
Still had massive ejection issues.
There was something fucked when they blueprinted the gun, I think.
The frame itself was likely out of spec.
Possibly the slide too, considering problems I had with the extractor.

That happened recently too, so I could actually post proof of it if I wanted to.

>>32236227
Good taste anon

>>32236606
Quit doing stupid shit to your guns then idiot

>>32236572
http://www.10-8performance.com/1911-magazines/

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>>32236508
This, well sort of
> over black Friday I saw a couple for ~320-380
Really for that price the bar ts pretty low.

>>32237199
They're mostly fine, if you have a lemon just play century roulette until you get one that works fine

>>32236170
If you were not aware, there are famous custom shops out there that will not take orders on RIAs and other Philippines-made 1911s. I don't know their exact reasons--it might be out of some sense of misplaced nationalism, but, given that they are running a business, I suspect it is more due to the possibility that the internals on Philippines-made 1911s don't lend themselves to fine-tuning without a lot of headaches and parts replacement.

Case in point: http://clarkcustomguns.com/gunsmithing-services/1911-handgun/

Considering that there are countless entities producing 1911s out there, I would rather take a safer bet than the RIA and save money for a little bit longer if I had to.

>>32237283
>will not work on 1911s from Philippines

but gladly work on taurus?

>>32237324
Who knows. I suspect they put that notice on their page because they had a lot of problems with people buying RIA 1911s and then expecting Clark to polish their turds. They probably did not mention Taurus because virtually every gun enthusiast in existence knows without being told that Taurus is a dumpster-tier company these days.

>>32237283
You don't buy a RIA to customize it.

>>32236227
>>32236701
model?

>>32236170
I know the slides are cast, so there's that.

>>32237674
First Baer appears to be a custom carry. Mine is a UTC.

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>>32236227
God, I love the aesthetics of those best, but I held a Wilson a couple days ago.

BALL BEARINGS
A E
L A
L R
I
N
G
S

Better than hard fit, absolutely.

>>32236170
Fingerfucked one at a gunshop today. Construction seemed alright, it was tight, but that kind of concerned me, a cheap tight gun seems like it would be prone to jamming, but I never fired the thing so I don't know. Trigger felt nice. Sights were absolute dogshit, mag release felt kind of stiff, trigger was nice though.

I'd have to shoot one at a range to really know if they are any good, the shop was asking 500 for it so I obviously noped the fuck out of there. If I find one for dirt cheap I might jump on it, otherwise I think I'll save up and get a Springfield Armory 1911. I've spent a lot of range time with these guns and know they run and shoot great.

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>>32238155
Fucked up that formatting, didn'tya?

I've been working with 80% frames, got a few to work absolutely flawlessly but no ball bearings unfortunately.

>>32238155
Wilson makes a really nice product. I can't justify the 1k price difference over a Baer though. Maybe one day.

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>>32237674
Custom Carry

>>32238155
I don't own, but I shoot with guys that have Wilsons. I almost bought one. Baer's are hardy. Simplistic but hardy. The more worn and beat up and used, the better it gets. Fuck the first 500 rounds... The controls are horrible as they wear in... now? Can't shoot anything else.

>>32238324
This. A Baer will feel like a tool you can trust long after a Wilson or nighthawk loses its new feeling.

Ed brown, on the other hand, makes a bad ass 1911. Probably what I would buy other than what I already have.

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>>32238405
I hope you're right, for my sake. Been thinking of getting a UTC because baer is bae

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>>32238524
It's true. Baer is very underrated. More detailed hand fitting than any other 1911.

>>32238623
Baer just makes boring guns... that's why. Good but boring.

>>32238212
weren't the ball bearings ditched when they figured out how to build reliable mags? or ami mistaken?

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>>32238697
No dude, ball bearings is an expression gun writers use to describe tight but extremely smooth slide movement. Fuddlore says that it "makes the recoil more linear", but I've never shot a Wilson so idk.

>>32238668
Boring to look at? Maybe. I like the looks. Purposeful.

Boring to shoot? Absolutely not, I'll take one over nearly anything else, and I've shot about all of them.

>>32238748
Love those movies.

>>32238324
>>32238405
How much did your bespoke Baer run you? How would you say it compares to the better offerings of some of the major manufacturers like, say, a Gold Cup?

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>>32238748
The biggest improvement in recoil control on a 1911 is undercutting the trigger guard and a high cut under the beavertail to get your hands right under the bore.

Next is tuning the action by changing the radius of the firing pin stop and adjusting the recoil spring and mainspring to hive with it.

>>32238803
Custom Carry guy. I paid $2000. I've seen them time to time go for less, but that was what I had access to at the time and I was OK paying that.

I've owned a few Gold Cup, NM series 70 and Trophy series 80. Those Colts are nice but don't compare.

>>32238814
>Next is tuning the action by changing the radius of the firing pin stop and adjusting the recoil spring and mainspring to hive with it.

How is that? I've been thinking of getting an 80% jig and it's pretty daunting. Trying to learn as much as possible before I try anything.

>>32236478
>using hurr and derp
I can tell you're just a sweaty fag

>>32238890
Meant for
>>32236499

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>>32238803
The hard chrome gun was about 2500, the monolith was a custom order at about 2700, UTC from 1911heaven 2100.

I like colts, sold a combat elite and a rail gun to fund the UTC. Both of those were sweet shooters, the rail gun a match for a gold cup easily. Baer blows them out of the water.

Had a kimber custom ii, accurate gun but unreliable, even after returns to kimber.

Ruger sr1911, reliable but wouldn't group worth shit. You could actually move the muzzle end of the barrel around inside the bushing when it was in battery.

My Baers have been reliable,albeit tight, since day 1. Ran over 650 rounds thru the UTC without cleaning, no failures.

Way way accurate, lower felt recoil than the colts, they just feel......better.

>>32236606
>throwing guns away rather than selling them
I know I'm samefagging but your shit is too stupid to pass up

>>32238824
>>32238907
Those aren't bad prices for actual bespoke guns. I'll keep what you guys have said in mind. Thanks.

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>>32238874
The bottom of the firing pin stop is what pushes the hammer back when the slide moves back.

The radius on the edge that contacts the hammer can be enlargers me or reduced to speed up or slow down the slide. Also changes how long it takes to unlock after firing.

A good smith will know where to set that radius, along with the springs to get a particular feel/function.

Of course, all that can change yet again if you shoot powderpuff target loads of are tuning to meet a certain power factor.

I'd recommend reading up on it as that's just my laymans understanding of it.

>>32238965
It is the Internet and I could lie to you, but what is the point? For what it's worth the 2nd most reliable 1911 I've ever owned was a Colt Series 80 trophy. The most reliable? My Baer. I reload and have a general idea of how many rounds I've put through this gun, 5000. The most at any one time, 500. I have had one malfunction and I blame it on a bad reload as it was obviously not to spec as the OAL was way out of measurment.

Besides my G35... I'd trust this gun with my life.

I've had mine for 5 years and love the shit out of it.

>>32236170
They are fine if you just want a functioning 1911. I had one for about three years and I liked it well enough.

As long as you to in understanding that you are not buying a $1350 race gun and adjust your expectations accordingly, you'll like it.

They're on-par with Springfield Armory, which puts them firmly in the category of pretty good. They probably break less often than Kimbers.

>>32238814
UTC man, if you're still here mind posting a pic of the sighting arrangement?

>>32236472
Les Baer

>>32240581
Sight arrangement?

>>32240798
Sight picture. What kind of sights it has. They look like Novaks, but I was wondering if they were tritium front and rear or whatever.

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>>32240809
This is not UTC guy, this is Custom Carry.

Baer sights, trijicon inserts on mine.

>>32237513
I work at a vespa ducati dealership. Vespas show up all the time with no air in the tires, busted everything and then the owner haggle over price of an oil change. I can imagine how bad it is for dealers of the cheap Chinese scooters. The less you pay for something the less you want to pay to fix it.

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>>32236170

This is the one I have. The RIA 1911 TAC 2 FS Picked it up from my LGS for a decent price. Came with a Mec Gar mag and I bought 2 other mec gar mags for it. It has been great for me, hasn't given me a single problem. I have only shot a Kimber before that was my friend's so I don't have a ton of experience with 1911's but mine has been bretty gud.

>>32236565
Springfield 1911s are made in Brazil.

>>32240581
They are just black sights with tritium inserts

>>32241572
Not anymore they're not. All NM framed Springers were made here in the US. And in the last few trips to the LGS, I've never seen any of the WW or just N marked frames. I think they stopped building them in Brazil, Anon.

>>32241572
Not since the end of the Sandy Hoax gun panic.

>>32236606
I've owned quite a few guns. Only did was a Llama. I sold it. Why the fuck would you trash money/gun?

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>>32236170
Trash. infinite ways to spend your $450-600 on something better if youre going for the cheaper route. Phillipino 1911s are ALL produced by the massive market of illegal gunsmiths who've been doing this since after ww2. rock island may buy the better half of these hand made mud hut pistols, but the chances of getting a piece of shit are high.

if the part is replacable, it's cheap garbage that will need replacing or modification out of the box if you want a remotely usable pistol, pistol is now $100 more demanding on your wallet for no reason

if it has fiber optic front sight, it's just transparent plastic sloppily glued on, front sight post may or may not be slathered in dried glue, may or may not have the sight fly downrange inside 200 rounds regardless

grip screws guaranteed to strip and break on initial disassembly, all lugs and threading involved in that are cheap garbage. they will come loose, and they will break if you disassemble them and reassemble them. must have new screws and loctite before you buy.

magazine included now lives in the carrying case, it's directly responsible for infinite failures to feed, slide stop must be replaced or filed down for it to not lock back between literally every shot

so at the end of the day you've got a ~$500 1911 that you had to put another $75 bucks into, and has a trade in value of at the absolute most 300 bucks.

>>32238748
what is this webm from?

>>32236606
>anon has a bitch-fit with a gun he's too stupid to maintain/fix
>he throws it into the garbage
>on that day, an enterprising nigger decides to rummage the local trash cans for scrap metal
>tyrone shoots up hood with gun he found in garbage can
>niggers start hanging around anon's house, hoping to score a free heater

>>32236170
I have one
It goes bang every time and makes decent groups.

>>32242366
It's one of the Jesse Stone movies, not sure but I think it's Night Passage.

If these are shit, then what's a decent entry level 1911?

>>32242160

Look mom, I wrote trash on the internet! Everyone is going to think I'm super cool now!

>>32244140
Depends what your budget is and how you're defining entry-level.

The Turk ones are very good for how cheap they are (sub-400), but they have a heavy trigger by default.

Springfield Armory is decent and has decent resale, but they want ~$600 for their basic model.

Colt is pretty good, but even their model basic 1911 is $800. On the other hand, if Colt goes out of business, that $800 1911 is guaranteed to appreciate tremendously in value due to people obsessed with the horse rollmark.

>>32244590
are NightHawk Custom or Guncrafter Industries 1911's worth the $3k price?

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>>32237283
This is more of a case of 1911 elitism than anything. Some overpaid faggot used to tuning Ed Brown 1911s doesn't want to work on something that could turn out to be as good as an Ed Brown that he worked on

>>32244803
Are you serious? How much time and how many parts do you think would need to be replaced before an RIA 1911 would be as good as a tuned Ed Brown? It would be like the Athenian Ship of State by the time you're done.

>>32244653
only if you want to tell people you have a $3k 1911
law of diminishing returns means you're barely getting an increase of quality over a gun half that price

>>32244803
shop is probably thinking "why the fuck are you getting a RIA sent in for custom work?"

>>32244315
That's not an adequate refutation. Don't be garbage if you have a point to make then make it.

>>32244803
its more like some overpayed faggot doesent want to waste a fuckload of time fixing the rias frame to get it in spec before he can start doing the job he was payed to do. dont get me wrong rias are in spec where it counts for function but everywhere else hah.

>>32236170
I would just save until I could afford something better to be honest. I have heard nothing but mixed reviews about RIA. Personally I shot one and I didn't like it much. The grips felt cheap and it had at least one hang up per mag. But that's just my experience take it for what you will.

>>32237283
On the flipside, Frank Proctor customizes RIA 9mm 1911s and sells them for 700 bux.

I'd say elitism plays a bigger part than quality.

>>32236170
They are mediocre as hell, but this place loves them for some reason.

>>32245550
>$700 for a tuned up RIA with 5 WC mags
They're all sold out. I was tempted to pick one up but I decided against, even if the price/quality ratio was fantastic.

>>32236606

literal autism

>>32242160
You got any facts to back all them opinions up? Aside from the fact they're made in the Philippines.