Could trump ally russia against CHINA

Capitalise on Russia-Japan emerging relation. Although it gives them much needed room to maneouver, the Russian relation with China is ambivalent and see it both dangers and opportunity. Abe has explicitly said that Russia should see Japan — and not just China — as Moscow’s gateway to Asia.

The US is too obsessed with Europe and their thin-skinned leaders. They can't think outside the European box. The Russians are not on the bring to invade it. They are just interested in their immediate former Soviet Union. Russia shares plenty of U.S. goals in Asia.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38216969

>Aleppo battle: Russia and China veto UN truce resolution

Sorry Burgerfat.

China and Russia stand together like never before.

>>32232176
>also if trump recognizes taiwan as a sovereign country

The US has never denied Taiwan's status as a nation. Obama may have brushed them aside for never ending compromises with China but Trump having good relations with the ROC isn't going to trigger the Chinese into suddenly invading them.

>Could trump ally russia against CHINA

We could perhaps crate a strong bond between Russia and the United States however I doubt Russia will enter a war between China,the US and her East Asian allies. In the future? Perhaps if relations return to pre Georgia Bush era relations. We'll just have to wait until Trump takes office.

>Image

Are you at KAF?

>>32232343
>Russia+Japan

Sorry, but Putin recently told Abe to fuck off with his plans of getting the Kurils back.

Even you should know this.

>>32232176
But why would we attack China?
Mainland godless communists sure, but the Chinese people should be our allies with all the material we supply.

>>32232176

Taiwan policy was done to as a barging chip the China in order to divert the resources of the Soviet Union away from Europe. The Chinese asked for something incredibly trivial. They asked the US to acknowledge to indulge them with the acknowledge that there is only one China. The US agreed to satisfy them on this fantasy to contain the Soviets. This policy has been maintained out of bureaucratic and political inertia. It no longer has any meaning.

>>32232413

The Kurils are not that important. What's important is the investment in Russia's Far East. They have agreed on that. Japan have a need for energy imports, and the Russians need finance and technology to exploit their resources. Already Japanese banks are considering deals with Gazprom. Further deals may be on the way.

>>32232176
We will never go to war with China so long as we conduct vital trade with one another. Before anyone says stuff about the jobs coming back and how we wont need China, there's no way that one can both shift trade so quickly without causing the price of goods to skyrocket and put the economy in the worst place it would be in years.
A war with China could wreak unimaginable havoc on the global economy. Even if we didn't need them for trade they sit on one of the worlds most trafficked trade routes.

An Alliance with the Russian's would be foolish, they would be the most useless and unreliable allies we've ever had and we've had the Afghani's on our side before. Their economy is in shambles, their equipment is rusting, and they can't even conduct basic naval operations without unacceptable levels of failure (Kuznetsov in the Mediterranean). The Russian's are a joke and not even a real military power, and everybody knows it.


Better relations with Japan are always a good idea though.

>>32232399
We don't see them as the legitimate government of China.

>>32232612

>An Alliance with the Russian's would be foolish, they would be the most useless and unreliable allies.

That hasn't stop the US before. The US allied themselves with the Soviets against the Germans. And during the Cold War, the US allied with the weak and shambolic Chinese against the Soviets.

>>32232612

Economics relations are a poor foundation for international peace. It has never stopped anyone for waging war.

>>32232686

There's no pressing threat that justifies bending over for the Russians. China's ambitions are largely regional, unlike the Soviet's more global goals.

>>32232686
Yes but all of those nations had something to offer us, the Soviets had power, and the Chinese also didn't like the Soviets with the added bonus that they were interested in trade.

>>32232700
The issue here is that we are interdependent, which goes further than simply saying we have good economic relations. Our economic interests are inextricably tied to one another, to go to war would mean our economies could very well break down at the most basic levels.

>>32232612
Their economy is shit because of sanctions and isolation

>>32232807
Both of which were a consequence of their idiotic foreign policy and military actions.

>>32232772

The Chinese had literally nothing. They were the China under Mao. They only served as another target for the Soviet to worry about.

>>32232772

You are wrong here. The US doesn't need China. It is China the one that it is vulnerable. Their export economic model is at the end of the line. There are plenty of countries that put together could replace their role.

>>32232807

No, it's because of bad luck with the Oil prices.

>>32232829
We may not need China but I don't see trade shifting anytime soon. Other countries could replace their role, but that's an overly optimistic way of looking at it.

Also thats basically what I said about the Chinese earlier, they weren't strong but they still didn't like the Soviets.

>>32232847
Which aren't going to go up anytime in the near future.

>>32232829

China was supporting the vietnamese, who were playing them off the Soviets to get the most aid out of both parties. When Nixon split the Chinese off, they stopped supplying Vietnam, the the Soviets lost reason to give them so much.

>>32232612
russias was incapable of doing naval operations before ww2 and that didnt stop them from btfo of germany

>>32232913

China needs the US more than the other way around. China’s ability to counter is limited. Their military capabilities remain limited. Their navy is still no match for the U.S. Navy, and they can’t afford a war whose outcome they can’t predict. China can’t walk away from the U.S. without enormous pain.

Was Trump's call a stroke of genius or luck favouring idiocy?

>>32232960
The Soviet union and the Russian federation of today are two completely different entities. The USSR actually had a large population, Russia does not. They share one thing in common, their equipment, however its much rustier now. Russia is not an actual military power, its only force projection lies in its ability to deliver nukes and thats it.

>>32233006

Good enough, the Chinese under Mao didn't have projection capability either. The Chinese would have frozen on the Siberian wasteland. All that matters, is that it offers a new vector to consider and force them to divert resources away from the US.

>>32232176
I dont see a war with china anytime soon. They have too much to loose. Foregin investments and buying debts hasnt yet to pay off. Russia on the otherhand was headfirst falling down the stairs half a year ago. Even if when fuel price went up they have no prospect of future. They have nothing to loose and have one of the strongest militarys in the world. I rather see US and gooks ally up trying to contain russia.

>>32232986
what do you mean? how was it lucky?

1) No. Primarily because Russia wouldn't want to. Russia's interests regarding China aren't America's.
2) Possibly.
3) An impossible scenario. Who cares?
4) We already are.

China desperately needs access to American markets to avoid slipping deeper into economic stagnation. They are the weaker partner in the relationship. The time has come to force them to reconsider their position.

>>32233069

Out of ignorance or as part of a plan.

With that call Trump signalled to China that he can easily take away what Nixon gave them.

>>32232176
The Russians have always harbored a fear of the "little yellow man" ever since the Mongols perma-raped them.

Along with Kebab menace, it explains their recent build up in Central Asia. Second Great Game coming motherfuckers!

>>32233156
is there place where they arent building up tho?

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>>32233097
was taking that call part of your plan?

>>32232176
>land invasion of china
Why bother?

>>32232399
this is shank years ago. only haj there now so dont mind posting.

>>32232986
The vast majority of foreign policy experts consider it idiotic because the 1979 Taiwan Relations treaty remains in force.

>>32233409

Out of bureaucratic and political inertia. The foundations of the agreement on Taiwan have evaporated. The U.S. can’t afford to leave the relationship unchanged any longer.

The move it is the right one, no matter if it was a fortuitos gaffe or deliberated. Critics say Trump attacked the foundations of U.S.-Chinese relations. It’s true in a way, but Trump had pledged to change the foundations of that relationship.

>>32232494
And this is why Russia has stationed additional anti ship missiles in their Far East.

To invite Japanese "investments".

Dumb weeb cant handle the truth.

>>32232807
And rampant corruption.

Even before sanctions, the Russian economy was one of the most corrupt in the world, which is a major turn off for direct foreign investment. Only a naieve idiot would invest in Russia, with all of their pump-and dumps, Authoritarian control of the economy (Putin nationalizing your assets when they need money for something), collusion against upstarts by oligarchs, et al.

These aren't incurable, but if Russia is going to get any investment, it needs to seriously clean up its act.

>>32232176
Or U.S can just bomb Three Gorges Dam.

I want the USA, Russia, and China to become a new alliance. The three of them working together can accomplish anything.

>>32233786
US alone accomplish anything. They need only political will to do that.

I want to see asia form a coalition and attack china

that is a glorious dream.....

>>32233082
and this is how abusive partners wake up one day and find out that they are on fire/have had had their throat slit.

>>32232176

China and Russia are closer than either the US and China or the US and Russia.

So basically, there is no chance.

You're talking about a President who would only have a term (two if he's extremely lucky) before being replaced with either a traditional Republican (who oppose Russia and tolerate China) or a Democrat that opposes both and bolsters NATO. Any Pro Russia relations would be a flash in the pan.

Besides, Russia's only interest in the US right now, is taking them down a notch globaly, nothing more.

>>32232612
>move cheap shitty labor to india

No difference except slightly better foreign films and a vague hint of poo on everything

Everyone knows the CIA is behind the HongKong protests. It is China defending itself from American attacks. ISIS and the Hong Kong Youths are of the same page.

>>32239059
>look at me im pretending to be a 50c poster on the internet

its sadder when I realize you're probably posting this for free.

>>32233190
>is there place where they arent building up tho?

>Russia
>Buildup

Their military spending is being cut. Space program is being cut. Everything else is also on austerity. Everything is just for show, like their aircraft carrier. Syria is just Russia expending Cold War era surplus munitions, mostly unguided. The only serious part of Russia's entire military is their nukes.

>>32232448
where are you from and what the fuck are you trying to say?

Why do I read these fucking threads?

NUCLEAR first strike on China when? They dont have MAD capabilities. They should be dealt with before they do.

>>32232176
No and no

>>32233156
citation?
Source?

>>32240309
yes I totally agree, bonus Im an American of Chinese heritage.

Yes I hope for US & Russia vs state capitalist/communist China.

>>32233606
speak softly and carry a big stick