name a single flaw

>>32229294
Retarded to reload.

>>32229294
shit trigger
shit reload
ammo is expensive
ammo is weak
doesnt withstand heat well
awkward to use
expensive

Bullpup

>>32229294
It shoots dollar bills

The round is lacking against any hard body armor

>>32229294
Hard to get

Do you think if you handed a P90 to a generic western erra cowboy would he be able to figure it out?

>>32229347
Probably. You just pull the trigger like any other gun. Why wouldn't he be able to figure it out?

>>32229294
1. curse of teh bullpup trigger pull
2. ammunition available to civilians lacks the ARMOR PIERCING design that the ROUND IS DESIGNED FOR.
3.non adjustable length of pull.

Not chambered in a more common caliber is one.

>>32229356

The civie ammo isn't much worst than the mil stuff for steel penetration

Anything going 2400 FPS or so is going to suck dick

you guys really don't know how to deal with bullpup, huh

>>32229294

It isn't chambered in 10mm.

>>32229347
That reference, I gets you my dude. If he somehow manages to cock the thing. Like he did.

>>32229388
he's worked rifles before so it shouldn't have been hard to figure out.

>>32229392

This. Every gun's got the same basic components in them, even if they're shaped differently and they're in different locations. The trigger's obvious enough, and a bit of fiddling with it would find all the other controls soon enough.

>>32229422

Shit, a lever action has its mag on the bottom instead of the top; since he could see the boolits, he'd no exactly what it is.

The biggest surprise for him would be not needing to cock after every shot.

He'd catch on if he tried by the fresh round getting ejected.

>>32229347
Do you think if you handed LeMat to a generic modern bad guy, he would be able to figure it out?

>>32229431

I'd think the biggest surprise would be the material the thing's made from, but even then, it'd surprise him before he gets a massive shit-eating grin and proceed to lay waste.

>>32229294

Its round is only good for about 150 yards

Fires a pistol cartridge. O
Besides that it's not bad.

Yes 5.7 and 4.6 are just necked pistol cartridges, as much as HK and FN marketing says otherwise.

>>32229294

They added a gigantic ass to a gun that was firing a pussy enough round. I'm still honestly shocked FN didn't make it a pistol.

>>32229294
>Shoots a stupid proprietary bullet
>Can't be sold in the US without making it the size of an AR
This are the two big ones. I'd consider buying a select fire P90 with the standard barrel in 9 or 10mm or .45 ACP. PS90 is a fucking joke, though.

2lbs heavier than it should be, direct blowback recoil is harsher than it could be.

Ammo is expensive and you have to sbr it. Other than that I want one.

>>32229294

Retarded ammo
Ugly as fuck
Shit to reload
Shit handling

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>>32229607
I think 50 rounds would be unwieldy with a pistol. The fiddy round mag was the main purpose of it, the gun was basically designed around it.

>>32229347
When you are a robot, it's probably not that hard to figure out.

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>>32229359
Like 12ga?

I dont own one

>>32229433
At least for 9 shots.

No idea about the grapeshot.

>>32229294
the tape

>>32229897
The fact that this never got past a prototype should tell you all you need to know.

Op's mom didn't swallow. There is the flaw.

>>32229359
Not exactly on the thread's topic, But i agree with this. They figure our this new magazine design that enables high-capacity with a low profile- and then waste it on a special snowflake round. How hard would it be to make P90s in 5.56mm? or 5.45mm? Hell i think one in .30 carbine P90 would be sweet!
>5.7mm overall length = ~40mm
>.30 carbine overall length = ~42mm
I think it'd be do-able

>>32229294
Is this P-90 replica capable to fire?

No bayonet attachment point

Plastic internals

Plastic externals

Literally everything is plastic but the cast aluminum receiver and barrel


How hideous would a wood p90 be? Skeltal aluminum would have to do

>>32230040
.50 AE is also about the same length.

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>>32230096
>bullpup
>bayonet

>>32229294
Sights to far from bore
Trigger no good
Proprietary ammo

>>32230159
>Propriatary
Considering more than just fn produces the ammo and othe firearms outside of Fn's product catalog fire it, I have come to the conclusion that you're retarded and your mom is proprietary

>>32230113
>Cqc
>Not having a bayonet

You should go back to lgbt plebdit

>>32230183
You should go back to the 19th century grandpa

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>>32230183
I bet you have one of these

>>32230193
>He doesn't have this
Holy shit you might as well move to California, cut off your balls, and change your identity to a polyamourous asexual trigendered vegan

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>>32230192
Ahh. When men were men and boys grew up to be men and the women didn't have 5 different genders to choose from.


Those were good years

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>>32230183
Here's an upgrade for ya

>>32230265
FUCKING LOL

>>32230265
a weapon to surpass metal gear....

>>32230265
You realize someone would probably like that right?
kek/10

>>32230265
Akimbo that shit.

Blocks the ejection port though

>>32230265
/r/ing an edit with the PS90 barrel

>>32229332
It's as cheep as 34c a round.

>>32230193
I need this now

I honestly think the AR upper from 57Center is a better buy. Slap it on an SBR lower and you've got a better gun (no bullpup trigger) for less money.
Only realy gripe is that handloading 5.7x28 is cumbersome due to the small bottleneck design. Supposedly you HAVE to use FNs laquered rounds too, but I think that's just marketing voodoo.

>>32230265
anon pls, the bathroom is occupied and I'm trying not to poop myself with laughter

>>32229294
Not in a good caliber.

Can't carry with it past Legendary Eagle.

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It's not this.
>/thread

>>32229624
Give it roller delay a la MP5 and you'll cut both weight and recoil

>>32230040
Then do this

>>32229307
the p90 has shit tons of bullets in the mag just for that.

>>32230727
I'd pay three grand for a roller delay p90.

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There's actually a lot of flaws in the design. It's a good design but I'd put the MP7 over the P90. The P90 is the AK of PDWs, very cheap to produce and very simple in its operation. The MP7 is a more refined design.

>>32229294
It's not in a straightwalled .30 Carbine chambering with a lever-delayed blowback action.

>>32229294
>straight blowback-operated

>>32229347
Loved westworld but that pissed me off

>>32230716
Why do americans have to create AR-15's in any imaginable configurations ?

>>32229294
Rhymes with nigger

>>32229294
Caliber.
Should be available in 9mm, 10mm and .357 magnum and would sell like freashly made bread.

>>32230716
That is pure sex.

>>32234398
freedom bitch

>>32234468
>it should be available in full-auto and would sell like freashly made bread.
Fixed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6wjVD-OGEA

>>32234468
357 Magnum or SIG?
>>357 mag
>>linear magazine
Nigga do you know what is a rim?

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>>32234398

because we can, fag

>>32230040
Only if telescoping ammo used in the LSAT becomes more available. It would be ideal to fit in a P90 style magazine

>>32234398
Because the AR15 is objectively a really good system and can be used and adapted for a lot of things.

>>32234398
>Americans
it's a German design

>>32229307
You're the retarded one not to see the genius of the thing
>>32229294
>name a single flaw
Blowback
Cannot be easily transfered to higher caliber without re-thinking the bun.

>>32229897
>>32229915
The magazine is patented by FN. It was a stillborn dream.

>>32236137
Rotating a cartridge is not patented.

>>32236137
Patents wasn't an issue, it was that the design only works with completely straightwalled, rimless cartridges, a rimmed cartridge (like any shotgun shell), or a cartridge with any kind of taper (like 9mm Luger), will not work in this kind of magazine.

The shotguns required special rimless 12-Gauge shells, this is what killed it, proprietary ammo is ALWAYS a big hurdle and risk, especially if it does something that other common cartridges already do.

>>32230265
these sig braces are getting weird

>>32229309
literally all of this

also:
>non common round
>no cheek weld
>high ass sights relative to barrel

>posts airshit

>>32229294
No caseless ammo that you can make yourself after the centerfire snowflake ammo is gone post 3 months of SHTF.
Stockpiles will exhaust and eventually you run out of primers. So it needs to be electric fired with a simple crank gen for the battery or a small solar panel. That also solves the trigger issues.

>>32229294
>5.7x29

a better question is why haven't the belgian cunts made a 9mm version yet?

>>32230244

>freedom is bad and traditionalism is good

yucky

>>32238558
>freedom is bad and traditionalism is good

Yeah that's pretty much how it works.

>>32238384
wrong thread?

>>32229364
>The civie ammo isn't much worst than the mil stuff for steel penetration
Yes it is.

The Vmax load won't even crater AR500 steel at any distance. The 40gr American Eagle loading will dent it, when fired through a PS90's 16" barrel, but not through the 10.38" barrel of a P90 due to how much velocity it loses (it has a MV of around 1300fps from a 10.38" barrel, IE only 50fps faster than .357sig with a bullet that weighs 1/4 as much). The only loads that are worth even a fraction of a shit against hard body armor are the SS190 (b& for civilian sales although you can occasionally grab a box off gunbroker for $8/rd) and the tungsten sabot round that never made it out of prototype because it shrek'd mags.

Vs. low-end or degraded soft armor the Vmax and the SS193 jacketed hollowpoint do "okay" but nothing better than a 9x19 NATO load of 124gr FMJ.

>>32238349
>no cheek weld
...don't get an optic with a riser on it?

The irons integrated into the top rail are actually almost too low, you *really* have to mash your face onto the stock to use them. The model with the integrated optic had it at pretty much the perfect height, too bad the integrated optic was dogshit bad (like every single integrated optic ever).

A P90 paired with something like a Deltapoint, RMR, Aimpoint Micro sans riser, etc is pretty fucking great on optics placement.
>high ass sights relative to barrel
No worse than an AK or AR.

>>32229294
None
>great egro
>high cap mags
>f u t u r w e a p o n
>neat bullet
>accurate

>>32229309
>shit trigger
Can be fixed.
>shit reload
50 round mags make it a moot point.
>ammo is expensive
Cheaper than .45
>ammo is weak
Compared to a full size rifle, sure.
>doesnt withstand heat well
Based on what? Genuinely curious on this one.
>awkward to use
Not at all, just not the same ergos as an AR.
>expensive
A grand isn't very expensive.

>>32238805
>trigger can be fixed
No it can't. Gun's been around over 30 years, if it could have been fixed it would have by now.

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>>32238931

>>32229294
its airsoft

>>32238976
oh noes, you can make it light!

It's still a mushy piece of shit with an inconsistent break, too much overtravel, and an inconsistent reset.

>>32238997
Not really.

>>32229294
>Is a PDW
Can be fixed by converting to a rifle caliber along with a gas system, perhaps LSAT telescoping 5.56.

>Short rail length
Could be solved by switching from a top-loading magazine to a swing-out one. That would allow it to have a full length rail over the top with only a marginally more finicky reload. Still fully ambidextrous and a swing out type is capable of dropping free unlike the current top loading mount.

>No bottom rail
Simple enough to replace that front grip, I think it has already been done before.

There, now you have the assault rifle of the future. PDWs are an outdated meme.

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>>32234398
To make slack-jawed faggots like you jelly.

>>32229356
>>32229364

http://desertammosupply.com/inc/sdetail/120/1629

literally hotloaded, but due to reduced engraving pressure it can be done

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>>32229294
>name a single flaw

It's not an AKS-74.

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>>32239095
even had holsters

>>32239112
>gun for chairforce faggots

>>32229294
that tiny bit of tape on the front grip

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>>32239170
>gun for chairforce faggots

ballistically, the AKS is better than the P90. your comment reeks of bias.

>>32239199
lol, only communism could produce such a weapon

>>32239199
I want one of these holsters.

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>>32239218
>I want one of these holsters.

So do I ;_;

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>>32239228

>>32230716
the thought of this + p90 mags makes me uncontrollably hard

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>>32239095
>not both

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>>32239519
My dust cover after the very first 50 rounds

>>32239531
working as intended

>>32239531
>buying from the Caliphate of Belgium

should have put the first round out of it directly in your head

>>32239558
It could be made out of better plastic. The shell of the gun is made out of fantastic stuff, very sturdy.

>>32239531
Put loop side velcro on it, dummy.

>>32239640
I shouldn't have to modify a $1000 gun to prevent it from destroying itself

>>32239665
It isn't destroyed and if you consider sticking some tape on it maybe you're in the wrong hobby fuccboi.

>>32239199
>Helicopter
>Chairforce
???????

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Axed the BRG-15 for this cockfaggotry

God dammit I hate the P90 so much.

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What is /k/'s favorite SMG/PDW?

I've always liked the PDR

>>32239882
>dropped

>>32229294
Weird ammo

>>32230972
>MP7
>refined.
Pick one.

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>>32239882
tie between the VBR PDW and the PP2000. They're both small almost-machine-pistol guns, but actually designed to have a useable (albeit small) cheek rest unlike 99% of retard machine pistols

>>32240305
>never touched either one
Pick U

>>32229347
Please, don't tell me that this happen.
This show was already going downhill.

>>32230040
reason why this gun has high capacity is because 5.7mm is roughly 0.3 inch at base

If you replaced it will 5.56 you would get rougly 40 rnds, but it would be wider and higher.

>>32230716
it's just an AR with tacticul junk

>>32234899
did you ever saw any high end sport peestol?

>>32229294
In OG configuration it works well in it's intended role.

In Cucked For Civilian Market™ version is just a high cap varmint gun.

>>32229294
Worst gun ever, everyone who owns one should be lobotomized.

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>>32242111
>plz don't tell me this happened
you're really really not going to enjoy the season finale m8. this was one of the less fucking retarded things to happen.

>>32229388
>take nerf paint P90 from guard you just went full terminator on
>pull back the charging handle
>no round flies out
>the rifle wasn't cocked and had no round chambered
how much do you guys want to bet that the stormtrooper security team are also "hosts" who were programmed to die like bond henchmen as part of fords master plan to something something handwavium robots R people2.0 bruh.

why the fuck would they not shoot first and ask questions never? why didn't they remotely detonate the fucking bombs in the necks of 2 of the 3 bots and then hunt down the last one when it doesn't go pop. The hosts apparently cost nothing to produce (literally printed new copies of maeve and zorro the gay blade in a few hours) so much about the finale, like the hip firing recoilless P90's, triggered every level of my autism.

>>32238805
>5.7x28
>Cheaper than .45
Wut?

>>32239848
They DO technically sit in chairs basically all the time...

>>32236068
>Cannot be easily transfered to higher caliber without re-thinking the bun.
>High caliber
Fudd pls. P-90 was balanced system build around automatic fire and light recoiling cartridge. higher recoil would destroy this balance. But since automatic fire is banned for civies P-90 lost any sence for them.

>>32242295
50-round mags of 5.56 would make perfect sense and have a place in the civilian market. The role of the gun would be just a 50-round-mag delivery device.

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>>32242449
I feel bad for God. He gave us Michaelangelo, Da Vinci, and Van Gogh to bless us with His serene beauty... and then this anon comes along all these years later to shit on our eyes with that. God deserves better than this... WE deserve better than this...

>>32239882
Why did they never build these?

>>32230113
>Steyr AUG

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>>32229607
They did, and its about expensive and useless as its bigger brother.

>>32229307
this

>>32230716
how good are these attachments.

>>32245001
how good is this pistol. I wanted it, but the price and availability of the ammo and the 1000 tag made me never buy it.

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>>32245916
Its actually pretty good, ammo is expensive though at 20 dollars for 50 rounds, but great pistol.

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>>32229723

>>32246265
PSA had it for 32 cpr shipped over Black Friday

>>32247611
I have actually given a lot of thought about designs like this during my lifetime. A barrel beneath the trigger/grip.

>>32229294
The pricetag

>>32239228
they look like anglos

>>32230716
Absolutely heram

>>32229309

>ammo is weak

Well it seemed to kill Goa'uld just fine

>>32229294
1. Chamber
2. 16" barrel

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>>32249719

>>32238384
Why do peppers think they will be engaging in daily warfare the second something happens

>>32249758
What's with the straps against the stock? Are they holding this pos together or something?

>>32249758
where is your left hand supposed to go here assuming you don't have little jappo baby hands?

>>32252069
notice that large curved surface that conveniently has a thumb hole in front of the trigger?

>>32229294
They are pricy.

>first shot doesn't always stun
>second shot doesn't always kill
>third shot doesn't make the bad guy vanish

>foothold situation
>grabbing OPs gun
>not grabbing a Zat
>shiggydiggydo

>>32251913
The P90/PS90 doesn't have any sling mounts so that's a workaround - just wrap it around the stock

>>32229294
Belgian

>>32238805
>Weaker compared to .30-06

You do realize it's .22wmr, right?

>>32252877
it's better than .22 WMR, but still pistol-tier. Most people on /k/ want 5.56 or 7.62x39 for anything bigger than a normal pistol

>>32229294
Ugly as fuck

>>32252617
I will never forgive Stargate for giving me a p 90 fetish.
>TFW you will never mow down replicators and goa'uld while Teal'c dual wields p 90s next to you.

>>32238384
MUH reloading cheep ammo.

>>32229294
They don't sell the SS190 to the general public.
Tri-rail is discontinued.
Its pretty sweet to use inside a vehicle, small, not as much muzzle blast as a short barrel 5.56.

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>>32239316

>>32255145
Is that real?

so someone was telling me that 5.7 was a rifle cartridge but i think its a pistol. if it was a rifle wouldnt the p90 be a carbine instead of an smg

It's energy retention is sub par, and it's stopping power is bad.

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>>32251121
>Its actually pretty good, ammo is expensive though at 20 dollars for 50 rounds, but great pistol.

>>32229294
the only flaw that matters.
>ugly

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>>32229294
>name a single flaw
Expensive
Shitty overhyped bullet
Cool magazine
Cool bolt
PS90 for 99.9% of us
P90 for .1% of us
PDW that is outmatched in every way conceivable by bullpup rifles
You will never have full auto, so 50 round standard cap mag is useless
Anyone who looks at you shooting one thinks all of this
Fuck NFA
Fuck ATF

Anything else?

>>32255456
Yes, AR57

>>32230100
I never considered that... Now I need a P90 chambered in .50 AE as a companion gun for my Deagle-brand Deagle.

>>32249630
Shol'va :^)

>>32238558
>mental issues
>freedom
Pick one

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>>32255496
It's a pistol cartridge built like a shortened .223.

>>32255709
Well, I have an erection. Reloading doesn't mess with the zeroing or anything?

>>32229294
Glorified .22 Magnum.

>>32256887
Not unless you somehow rigged the mag with rails to mount sights on.

>>32229294
not in 40mm

>>32257109
I've heard in the past that the AR platform upper receiver is a little rickety. I wondered if maybe the magazine's proximity to the sights caused some problems if you're a little clumsy with your reload

>>32257266
Receiver-top rails are pretty much perfect as long as you leave the zeroed sight mounted to it. The mating between the upper and lower may or may not be a bit loose depending on tolerances in construction by the brand, but that has zero effect because the upper receiver is where all the post-trigger pull accuracy stuff happens.

>>32257340
Duly noted

>>32255145
What its action?

>>32257877
It's recoil-operated, but otherwise just like a normal AR, except the rounds feed from the top from a P90 mag and eject out the magwell. It's just an upper you can buy that works with your lower.

If you have a Pistol/SBR lower they make a 6" barrel version and Gemtech has a suppressor specifically for it.

>>32229294

>shitty trigger
>shitty sight radius with irons
>sights are 9000 miles above the bore
>meme ammunition
>non nfa p90s have a big ol barrel

>>32258194
Well what if I want the fuckin' barrel to match my fuckin' cock, you pleb? You wouldn't know a good PDW if you had one sticking halfway out your ass!

I'm just kidding anon, you're alright, I just thought it'd be funny to give a little dingleberry of a shitpost.

>>32255496
I call it a pistol cartridge. It's made to fit in a pistol grip and it's the same energy as pistol cartridges

5.7 ammo is cheaper to buy than .22 magnum.

>>32259713
As I recall, intermediate ammo must have a bullet weight of less than 150gr, and must have a muzzle velocity of 2000 ft/s or more. I think there's also an energy requirement but I don't have that put to memory. Anyways, I REALLY can't see 5.7x28 being intermediate.

Oh wow, well I'll be; 5.7 has over 2000 ft/s when using 23-31gr bullets from a 10" barrel. The casing also has a diameter of .31", so by the sounds of it, 5.7x28 could be ALMOST considered a .30 Carbine casing, shortened by 5mm (1/5th of an inch), and necked down to about .22 cal. Back to it qualifying as an intermediate cartridge or not, however, I HIGHLY doubt it matches the energy requirements. I'll go ahead and take a look at that now to be reminded as to what they are.

Firstly, it would seem there is indeed a minimum bullet weight requirement, and I'm betting they got it from 5.45x39. 46-139gr, though personally I'd probably allow up to 149gr and still allow it to be an intermediate cartridge provided all other specifications are met. Secondly, as for energy, 1328-2717J. 5.7 from a 10.3" barrel seems to have average around 450-550J, depending on bullet weight, so yeah, there's no way in Hell that 5.7x28 can be an intermediate cartridge even though it does match a surprising amount of requirements. Muzzle velocity requirements, since I'm at it, is 2247-3084 ft/s. 3084 must be the muzzle velocity of 55gr M193 5.56 from a 20" M16 barrel. That's my guess as to where that number came from. 5.7 from a standard FN P90 has at least 2350 ft/s, so it does follow intermediate specs in terms of velocity, but it used lighter bullets than I was expecting (though it'd be more around 5.45/5.56 weight perhaps).

Also, a reminder; 6.5 Arisaka meets typical requirements to meet intermediate specs when used with a barrel shorter than the Type 38's ridiculous 31.5" barrel... like for instance... from a Federov Avtomat barrel of 20". So the STG-44 indeed wasn't the first assault rifle.

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I didn't know this until reading about it just now but apparently the barrel bottoms out against the flash hider.

When it still had the 16" barrel it had a bit of rotational play to it. I thought this was a mistake on FN's part but apparently it's intentional.

There's front to back movement now. Apparently the barrel is supposed to move backwards a tiny bit with every shot fired to help with the reliability. It's almost like a long recoil action.

Installing muh barrel right now

>>32242220
The for /k/ube?

>>32229294
It's a memegun that fires a memeround and US laws make civilian ownership of any variant which would actually make use of the potential of the concept illegal for civilian ownership.

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>>32260848
>Hurr durr useless without full auto
Nice meme

how does the round stack up against 9mm and .45?

>>32230716
I want an FN lower just so i can put a AR57 upper on it and do that.

It just sounds so.. dirttyyyyy

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>>32229294

>>32229294
thats a neat airsoft gun you have there!

>>32229294

can't get magazines with greater capacity than 50 rounds

civilian ammo is relatively anemic due to lack of armor punching properties

>>32229370

this

>>32234398

the same reason why Russians make AKs and Mosins in every configuration imaginable