>they did it again

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What let faggot op post outside of bedtime hours?

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Not even a slavboo but
>experimental aircraft crashes embarking on test flight from experimental aircraft carrier

The Allied Forces in WWII lost more airmen in training than in combat.

>>32217964
>su-33
>experimental

>>32217957

>second crash on one carrier in less than month time spam
>buttblasted vatniks are defending this

Loving every laugh.

>>32217964

Neither the admiral Kuznetsov, SU-33 nor the MiG-29 were experimental. In fact they were all quite old. This attempt at power projection is rather embarrassing for the Russian. At this point the Russians are so incompetent that the Pentagon won't be able to pry more funding from congress.

>>32217977
Maybe they meant Russia using either is experimental.
Like experimental drug use. They're just trying the whole carrier/plane thing.

>>32217966
The newest Navy variant? Yes.

>>32217977
Anyone who didn't already know Ruskis don't have force projection capabilities is a drooling retard, but yes... This is pretty sad.

>>32217998
Yes. They are testing new navy aircraft variants, new catapult systems, new procedures ext...

Just like we have had F16s that were used in the 70s, we have basically rebuilt and/or modified every single aspect of those airframes, the weapons they mount, and the platforms we launch them from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ShACteRduY

OPA!

>>32217955
What number is this now? 3?

>>32217955
BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>32218012

They can't be that experimental given they're being used along side combat operations.

>>32218012
Those catapults though

>>32218012

It was an arrestor cable that snapped though. Just seems like it was just shit quality.

>>32218012
>>32217964
>su-33
>last one was made in 1999
>in service since 1998
>"""""""""""experimental"""""""""""""

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahah

>The Allied Forces in WWII lost more airmen in training than in combat.
Yo, not trolling but do you have a source for that? cant find one.

>>32218071
>>32217964
oups

>>32218071
>>32218077
http://www.wwiifoundation.org/students/wwii-aircraft-facts/

Can't be assed to find the actual source, but more airmen were killed in training than combat, and the combat losses were ASTRONOMICAL. It was a literal 9/11 every few days. Entire squadrons of of hundreds of bombers and escorts would be sent on a mission and just be obliterated on a nearly daily basis. Many pilots had less than 5 hours of solo flight before being deployed to combat, many crewmen on bombers had never even been in an aircraft before being deployed, only watching army videos and practicing on crude training replicas.

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>>32218003
>The newest Navy variant? Yes.

Su-33 production ended 17 years ago.

>>32218121
Yes thank you, I'm well versed in the history of the USAAC, especially the strategic bombing campaign of Western Europe.
This is a super interesting little factoid that I haven't seen before, thanks for the effort.
> Many pilots had less than 5 hours of solo flight before being deployed to combat
That's not something I've heard of before, I thought it was academically accepted that the US had the most Trained airforce in the world at the time, with the most resources and men being devoted to training new airmen, especially late war. I remember seeing a source that said that US Carrier airmen had on average 140+ flight hours of training compared to just <40 hours for IJN personnel

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>This thread
It us easy to forget the ungodly losses the Army Air Corps and Navy suffered in wars past...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sBy_FIlcOJs

>>32218125
Yeah. And the last F14 was built 26 years ago. Your point?

>>32217964
Bull-fucking-shit. Post a source, fag.

>>32218154
the F14 isn't in service anymore, what's yours

>>32218148
I'm so sad they canceled that.
F

>>32218171
Say it ain't so!

People are comparing the modern Russian military to wwii USAAC lel

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>>32217955
The lards use their carriers to project power, the vatniks use their carrier to project ridicule.

Yes, yes today has been mired with setback, like the Austrian election, I suppose one more crash doesn't mean much.

>>32217964
>15 year old fighter crashes while attempting to land on 30 year old carrier
>>>Experimental
I'd call you a vatnik, except you sound more like a clueless American.

>>32217964
>Su 33
>Experimental

i guess the f-35 we are conning our Allies are prototypes then

>>32217955
A second wiresnap. That'd be a pattern.

>>32218262
They had pretty big issues with the wires back in 2006 as well, leading to one loss.
The are probably made in Ukraine. With the RuN being unable to source any, and are relying on old spares.

>>32217955
Absolute madmen

LoL it is Russian's Luneberg lens

They are great at Maskivorski. What you see is what you will not get. You think they are obsolete pieces of shit, but they can shoot down F-22s with ease.

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>>32217955
This is fucking embarrassing

>>32218287
>I swear, we're only pretending to be retarded

>>32218287
>Rashka stronk!
>Hey, I know! Let's make Rashka look ridiculous at the risk of expensive equipment and personnel to lull evil imperialists into a false sense of security!
>Excellent plan, comrade.
You gotta laugh at slavboo mental gymnastics in this thread. Also, the word you're probably looking for is maskirovka.

>>32217955
Just another example of Ukrainian build weapon assisting Syrian freedom fighters in resisting Russian air attacks

>>32218398
Damn those evil Ukranian fascists.Sabotaging glorious not at all rusted Rusian navy.When will those baby-eating Banderovtsi be stopped.

>>32218346

That's a volcano, isn't it?

I remember this picture from somewhere.

>>32218501
Yeah, it is.

There is an actual sat pic though. Not as bad, but just as funny.

>>32217955
HAHAHA SOVIETS CONFIRMED FOR TOTAL KEKS

One thing I like about /k/ is that it recognizes Russia for what it is. Because some people are actually deluded enough to think there can possibly be anything good about Russia.

>dis nigga claiming a 20 year old aircraft is expermental

>>32217955

Why do people care so much about this boat? It's not like Russia is a natural naval power.

So they lost like what, 1/10th of their force projection ability along with that plane?

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>>32218398
>Ukrainian build weapon

>ukies built the Kuz
>and they sold the other carrier to china who now have a better version of the Kuznetsov

lel

good thing they didn't do the same with their chickenshed Backfire and Blackjacks

How long will it be before they replace all the Cold War junk? I know that their attention is centred on smaller ships and submarines for now.

>>32218501
>>32218575
Its this one, and one of the Deepwater Horizon fire, that keeps floating around. Funny as fuck, and almost believable

>>32219512
>How long will it be before they replace all the Cold War junk

quite a while because they have a smaller millitary budget than Bongland and rely totally on soviet legacy equipment

modernizing subs(literally still using Deltas and Victors) and escorts makes more sense trying to unfuck the Kuznetsov

they really should make Peter the Great or Nakimov the naval flagship rather than that rusty floating harpoon target

>>32218012
>Russia
>catapult systems

bylaaaaaaaat

>>32218154
The point being that nobody would call the F-14 experimental. Or the F-18 for that matter.

I have a feeling whoever came up with the idea of Russia sending the Kuznetsov, instead of just using their perfectly functional airbases, is going to have something very "unfortunate" happen to him in due course.

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Daily reminder.

Someone needs to sub in footage of the Kuz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auf14iXrRO0

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>>32217964
>Su-33
>experimental

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>>32217964

>Experimental

>Su-33

>>32217964
Su-33 has been in service for well over a decade, also you can't compare it to training losses from 70+ years ago. And Kuznetsov has been in service for even longer.

>>32220645
I'll put my money down on polonium laced ricin

>>32219345
This. Go on youtube and everyone praises Russia like it's an actual world power or a relevant country. Fucking idiots.

>>32220991
Or even fucking /pol/ who seem to be convinced Putin is the based savior of the white race. Which wouldn't be a problem if they didn't crosspost their delusions over here so much.

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>>32217964
>The Allied Forces in WWII lost more airmen in training than in combat.
That's because the Russians were Allied

>>32221018
The sad thing is that I used to absolutely love learning about Russian equipment, especially tanks, and was really interested in the subject. But vatniks are such a plague that their endless misinformation, shitposting and hate all over the internet that I can't stand them anymore. My wife is Ukrainian and she's amazed at how much I hate them. At least the fucking lards have something to actually brag about.

>>32221046
kek

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>>32217964
>Experimental
>Su-33

>>32221018
They claim to hate globalism, yet they praise foreign leaders. They hate the police and the armed forces but claim they are nationalist patriots. The mental gymnastics those people must put themselves through...

>>32221188
/pol/=right wing SJWs

>>32221188
>mental gymnastics
Here's the problem, you assume they need their views to follow some logic. These idiots will just believe anything as long as it tells them what they want to hear.

>>32218012
>we had F16s
>vatniks
>"""""we""""""

>>32221487
How do you do fellow fatni- uh, Americans?

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>>32217955
So they've got like four fighters left?

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>tfw too smart to fall for russian memes

>>32217955
Even if they lose 20 planes on their smokey carrier, they will still win this war.

>>32221415
>>32221449

Can you just shut the fuck up already.
Who is "/pol/" exactly. How many confirmed /pol/acks do you know? Well? /pol/ is inhabitad by nazis, marxists, libertarians, harcore christians. Anyone who is considered to be "politically incorrect", an ever larger group in this SJW plagued world.
Yes indeed, the Nazis were SJW. In fact, Hitler campaigned on the battle for social justive many times and it was a spear point of their philosophy. But comparing these two forms (1930's-2000's) of social justice is as valid as comparing liberals of these two different era's.

So shut the fuck up, take your pretentious know it all bullshit with you. Far smarter people than you have tried to understand /pol/. And they failed. Yet here you are, shitting up a thread on a different board with inane, incorrect bullshit. A true CANCER of 4chan, class A shitposters is what you are.

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They only built about 35 Su-33's. This is now the third one lost in an accident, if I'm correct.

I might not like the Russians, but it's still sad to see one of these rare birds go down. Especially because, as far as I'm aware, it's the only three-surface single-seat Flanker that ever made it into service.

Say what you will, but the damn things are cool.

>>32222805
I love how this meme literally grows every time i see it

>>32222870
Spotted the /pol/tard.

>>32222870
Yeah, because 'Hey, the new star wars lead is a girl' is the same as fucking hitler.

Heaven forbid we don't abide NAZIS around.

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>>32220915
I love how putin just looks so disappointed.

>>32222870
#triggered

>>32223015
Good job you fucking mong.
Really impressive.
>>32223049
Can you at least provide a coherent response ? Reread your fucking posts dumbshit. I don't even know if yo uare referring to http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/11/the-inevitable-politicization-of-star-wars-rogue-one/508358/
But that is even less related to this fucking thread. If you have such a desire to defend the shoehorning of "defeating white supremacism with a multicultural group led by a woman". Please do so, but not on my /k/.

Does board/post quality mean nothing to you?
Cancerous shitposters.

>>32222823
What war? Oh the one in Syria where they don't even have a proper AD and yet russian planes still fell out of the sky

>>32217955
mother russia

>>32223129
>Cancerous shitposters.
He says while getting offended about /pol/ getting called out in a thread about Russian military failure and ranting about SJWs and Star Wars

>>32217955
We need to give them a couple of our old Carriers, train up their troops, and sail the World together.The United Northern Hemisphere will rule the Planet.

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>>32220985
The last 2-3 undesirables had stacks of cash found in their homes and were brought up on corruption charges. One of the former head-ups at the anti-doping lab did have a heart attack a few days after announcing plans to write a tell-all book, though.

>>32221449
Sounds a lot like your average facebook comment section

>>32220985
It's hard to know what exactly kills them if they don't die abroad where their cadavers can be studied. It's usually just good old "natural causes", if some unknown insurgent anarchist doesn't manage to assassinate them in an alley where the security cameras curiously malfunction.

>>32223161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrU1hZxSEXQ

>>32221415
That doesn't really make sense but ok.

Wow. It's almost like their training isn't very good.

Anyone have the infographic showing all the aircraft on board for the current deployment?

>>32225718
The wire snapped. You can't train a wire to be more resistant.

>>32222938
This

Now that the Su-35 is just an upgraded Su-27 I have to get my Ace Combat 4 rocks off somehow.

>>32225776
It's almost like their maintenance training isn't very good. But you caught me, I didn't actually read.

>>32224656
I expect the US government assassinates far more of their citizens than Russia do theirs
Not even talking about the military bombing jihadists with American passports either

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Sometime I kind of wish the Russians had gone through with the Ulyanovsk just to see what a state it'd be in today.

>>32218162
Moreover, US banned selling F-14 parts and scrapped every F-14 in existence they could get their hands on with one purpose: make F-14s still in Iran's possession after the fall of the Shah unusable.

>>32219480
Don't forget that Russia actually stole Kuznetsov from Ukraine, and then bragged about it: http://csef.ru/en/oborona-i-bezopasnost/423/ugnat-avianosecz-6127

...and then just neglected it into the ground. Pathetic.

>>32224656
>if they don't die abroad
That doesn't seem to protect them, either. Mikhail Lesin died in Washington from "blunt force injuries" which later were proclaimed self-inflicted and his death was ruled a suicide by US authorities.

>>32225911
Or their shuttle. It probably would have crash landed in a major metropolitan area.

Do amerishits really need to be reminded how many burgercrap falls from the sky annually?
>>32226880
Ironic, coming from the shithole that lost two.

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>>32225793
What Russia clearly needs is an Aigaion.

>>32226912
>operates 5 for 30 years loses two

>can't even build one, nor a decent carrier

And we're the failures? Haha oh wow.

>>32226912
>amerishits
It's interesting to watch how amerishits beat vatniks with facts, and vatniks respond with insults.

Typical. Pathetic.

>>32227011
>When all design and maintenance costs are taken into account, the final cost of the Space Shuttle program, averaged over all missions and adjusted for inflation, was estimated to come out to $1.5 billion per launch, or $60,000/kg (approximately $27,000 per pound) to LEO.[5] This should be contrasted with the originally envisioned costs of $118 per pound of payload in 1972 dollars (approximately $657 per pound adjusting for inflation to 2013).[6]
>Keeps operating this piece of shit
>Loses two
>Tries to talk shit
Amerishit, please. Is that why it was dumped for an amerishit copycat of Energia?

>>32227045
It's interesting that amerishits get so upset when confronted with facts. Call me back when your manned missions will stop result in fatalities, burgerfag.

>>32227055
The space shuttle was unlike anything ever built and still has no equal. You can point to all the "wah it costs so much" statistics you want it was an unmatched engineering feat and put the US solidly ahead of any other competitors in space travel. It was a space ship where you poor fools were still buildings rockets. May I remind you the Buran was fucking destroyed because you incompetent savages couldn't even build a hangar correctly.

Did you finally get your GPS system working?

>Energia, two built
Wow its nothing.

The SLS will be the biggest rocket ever built

>>32227128
>B-but, but muh space plane
No one gives a shit, burger, this piece of crap was scrapped for good. SLS is just Energia copycat. Took you dumb faggots 3 decades to finally guess to put the shuttle engines on the rocket itself.

No doubt Hu's taking notes and avoiding the same mistakes.

>Dear Wong, Check and replace old cables before vacation les end up like white mongols.

>>32227128
Oh, and the hangar that collapsed on Buran was owned and "maintained" by Kazakhstan, dumb burgershit. Unlike your space death traps, these were of course pure burger job.

>>32227189
>Energia
You can't copy something that flew a couple of test flights 5 years after your own version entered service

>>32227189
>>32227226
>maybe if i say burger in every post h..he'll get mad and I'll win
If it was a piece of shit why did you build the Buran???
>>32227189
>all heavy rockets are copy cat
It's hard to believe people like you actually exist in the world, but I suppose for the average IQ to be 100 there have to be quite a few under 100 as well

>>32227264
In americrap shithole you apparently can. It just takes being a dumb amerifag burger with no alternatives.

>>32227289
Uh oh, burger amerifag got offended? We build Energia the way it is because it was more efficient than your americrap death trap. And it took you 3 decades to realise it's a superior design. It's hard to believe dumb burgerfags actually managed to go to space. But then again, "managed" might not be an appropriate word for all the burgershits caught dead in burgershit space death traps.

>>32225776
>>32225718
tbf, there are quite a lot of cases where they have failed on US carriers as well. Though i suspect the US has a much higher sortie number per snapped cable.

>>32227331
It's funny, all the things you could harp about. Russia actually does have a somewhat successful space program although its likely to get trounced by the Americans and Chinese in the near future. And you pick a heavy lift rocket that they only built 2 of in the 1980s? You do know the Saturn V was built in the 70's, had a bigger payload, and 0 failures??

That is the definition of being behind.

>>32227087
Take no risks, lose no people.

>>32227055
>>32227011
>>32227087
>>32227189
>>32227294
>>32227331
Holy shit, the butthurt is real.
Are you really suggesting that NASA invented time travel, went forward in time, copied the Buran plans, went back and made the space shuttle? If so, then you should tip the guy making your Krokodil, as it must be giving one hell of a trip

>>32227398
It's not me who is picking it up, it's you who are trying to make a copycat of it 30 years later.
>>32227433
No, I am suggesting that Russians came up with a better design and it took you dumb buggers 30 years to finally realise it was superior. That being said, you are still planning to use the fucking powder barrels instead of actual rocket engines. The same barrels with powder that already killed burgershits once. Truly dumbfuckistanian fuck ups know no bounds.

>>32227572
And here we see the drunken Russian desperately trying to make his shit country look good.

>>32227572
You are seriously delusional.
The SLS uses boosters that are almost exact copies of the space shuttle and the RS-25 engine that was first flown in 1981.
It's time to put down the vodka vasily.

>>32227651
And it finally puts the orbiter engines on the fucking rocket itself instead of the orbiter, something Russians have guessed 30 years ago. But then again, it uses powder barrel death traps instead of actual boosters, proving that dumb amerifats are truly ineducable.

>>32227740
>But then again, it uses powder barrel death traps
You're a special kind of retard, aren't you?

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>>32227740

>>32227758
>Flying manned missions on powder barrel death traps
Ineducable amerishits.

>>32227811
You mean the one time that happened? Due to management dismissing engineering advice about an O-ring? Out of 135 flights?

>>32227847
Yeah, I mean that one time that should have rung a bell if you amerishits were not so ineducable.

>>32227899
>hurr dyurrr

We fixed the problem, wasn't an issue for the next 15 years the program was flying. The second incident had jack shit to do with using solid fuel engines, and your insinuation that such a rocket is inherently faulty regardless of design is either ignorance or being intentionally antagonistic.

>>32227964
You didn't fix the problem as long as you dumb amerishits keep riding powder barrels.

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>>32227993
>Durrr see how I keep repeating the same retarded shit as if it were true!

>>32228022
>Hurr see how I keep riding powder barrel death traps to space, sure nothing ever went wrong with that!

>>32228034
> riding powder barrel death traps
134/135 missions with those same boosters say otherwise.

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>>32227964
>ignorance or being intentionally antagonistic.
He's a obviously butthurt vatnik so it's both.

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>>32227993
Are you unaware of Russian/Soviet space failures? There are plenty. That's why you never went to the moon, never had a super heavy lift vehicle, and never had a space shuttle.

>>32228041
Dead amerishits naturally can't say anything, but they are symbolising.

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>>32228063
>Amerishit on space accidents
Amerishit, please. Call me back when your manned missions will stop result in fatalities.

>>32228063
I'm with you on this, but they never went to the moon because they couldn't find the money to develop a rocket engine large enough to efficiently take them to the moon, and they never had a super heavy lift vehicle because they didn't need one because once again they weren't going to the moon.

>Americans have catastrophic failure and die on dangerous mission
>Soviets die fueling up rocket
GLORIOUS VICTORY FOR THE MOTHERLAND

>>32228094
>Dumb amerishit burgerfag doesn't know what RD-270 is
Top kek.

>>32228094
See N1 failures. It was the Soviet equivalent of the Saturn V just as the Buran was a desperate attempt at the shuttle. The whole program died after Korolev died, truly a brilliant man do accomplish so much in a land of ignoramuses

>>32228112
It wasn't effective enough, and the rockets kept exploding. They gave up.

>>32228121
N1 was a crap shoot and a failure, they acknowledged it and gave up. Buran was actually kind of innovative in a few ways, I know that it did its first test flight unmanned. I also heard that it had a better launch configuration, something about the set up being more effective, I can't confirm this though. I read into Buran years ago, it was pretty interesting, but really just showed that the Soviets were desperate to eliminate any gap they could with the rest.

>>32228173
>Chamber pressure 26.1 MPa (3,790 psi)
>Isp (vac.) 322 s (3.16 km/s)
>Isp (SL) 301 s (2.95 km/s)
>It wasn't effective enough
Dumb burgerfag, please. No RD-270 engine ever exploded and it shits on F1 in therms of effectiveness.
>something about the set up being more effective
So effective you are making a copycat of it 30 years later.

>>32228214
If you were rational in the least you could read:
>>32227651

>>32228239
And if you were not a dumb amerifag it night not have taken you 30 years to develop a copycat of a more successful design that gets the engines off the orbiter, puts them on the actual rocket itself and doesn't cost 1.5 fucking billion per launch while only carrying barely more than a Proton.

>>32228269
You're embarrassing yourself. The SLS is an expendable heavy launch vehicle, not similar in the least to a failed Buran launch vehicle built 30 years ago. It is literally a recycle of a Saturn V design with boosters from the shuttle. How you fail to comprehend this is flabbergasting.

>>32228299
He's probably the same vatnik who shitposted for months that the F-35 was really just a copy of the Yak-141.

>>32228299
Only that is uses the very engines put on your shitty orbiter deathtrap, this time putting them on the actual rocket, effectively creating a literal conceptual copycat of Energia.

>>32228214
It looks like I've mixed up the engines. Though it looks like development was canceled for RD-270 in 1970, so again, they lacked the resources to produce these engines and thus never actually used them in regards to a lunar mission or in a super heavy launch vehicle.

I never said that the N-1s engines were bad, they are some of the most efficient ever designed but could not solve the problem for which they were initially designed to solve. They are one of the most valuable things to come out of the space race, fantastic for commercial launches.

Also not American you presumptuous ass.

>>32217955
what the fuck is with aircraft carriers and ships in general lately, seems like at least once a week a naval ship of some ones or somewhere breaks down or fucks up

>>32228361
Now go and look up the actual reason of the cancellation.

>>32227214
>white mongols

Lel

>>32223762
Then we would need a name to properly reflect the Global nature of this Defense Initiative.

>>32228380
Way more publicized as of late. All those blogs, click bait and/or no-name websites need to attract ad revenue somehow, nothing does it better than this. Even Sam from HR loves giving her opinion on defense procurement and military operational woes in various comment sections.

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>>32221046
>training
>russia

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>tfw the arrestor cable snapped
>tfw the arrestor cable was made in ukraine (I'm not kidding look it up)
>tfw ukraine gets its first russian air kill indirectly

>>32228529
Despite this, why does it seem like the Ukraine was a huge part of the USSR and Russia is going to be hurting without them in the future?

>>32228547
>why does it seem like the Ukraine was a huge part of the USSR
They were the second most important republic after Russia in the USSR. And on average the most industrialised.

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>>32222870
>who is /pol/ exactly

Well, I think we know now...

>>32217964

This post is so Russian I'm shitting borscht.

>>32225902
Why?

Usually we toss them into jail, I'm not aware of any large scale USA government assassination program other than the drones targeting jihadis

I don't doubt it on a feasibility scale, but I see no evidence. It's far easier to get away with false imprisonment or even falsely indebting someone rather than going through the hoops to kill them.

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>>32217964
Cmon, we can all agree the slavs failed at carriers

>>32221046

Under(you)d post.

Patton was right about the Russians

>>32221046
>>32228507
(you)

>>32228088
>Call me back when your manned missions will stop result in fatalities.
What manned missions?
NASA has had no vehicle capable of putting a man into orbit since they retired the space shuttle.

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>>32218287
>>32218352
>>32218356
Didn't someone miss the joke?


But to stay on topic, fuck. I like Russia and think that they do make some good weapon systems... and the Kuznetsov isn't one of them. Fuck, had they stuck to developing the Yak-141 for Kiev classes instead of keeping building Su-33s that weren't fucking compatible to the only carrier they had left (can't take off from the Kuznetsov at full charge because loltooshort, they were made for the planned OREL and Ulyanovsk CATOBAR carrier classes), they would be better off with 2-3 small V/STOL carriers with good V/STOL planes rather than one single shitty STOBAR carrier with planes three times too heavy for it.

>>32228547
The Soviet shipyard that made the carriers is in Ukraine. Now Russia has to compensate and build new dry docks if they ever want a real spanking flat/ramp top.

>>32218020
8

>>32228088
jesus

you took this thread down to 5 year old level.

Amerishit and Amerifag non stop.

Guess what I'm not american. Slavs suck and they can't into space.

>>32221151

Your hatred blinds you. You are no less biased than those who endlessly praise the Russian warmachine.

>>32228547

The core of the Soviet and Russian empires was composed of Moscow area, Belarus, and Ukraine.

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This never happens with our Rafales.

>>32228529
Second. The previous bird that went down also went down because it was about to land when the plane in front of it had a wiresnap. They suspended landing ops while they cleared the wire and whatever else might be necessary during such times. However, during that time the engines no longer got any fuel, and thus went down. That could be for two reasons. Fuel line failure is the first of these. However, it's not likely, as the plane in question had two engines, so it would have had to have occurred simultaneously in both lines, which is somewhat unlikely. The second option is the plane simply ran out of gas. It's honestly the far more embarrassing option, in my opinion. It's also far more likely. While this is an indirect way instead of just rolling off because of the wiresnap, it was caused by a snapped wire nonetheless.

>>32222870
What all these idiots have in common is believing the same crackpot garbage, which /pol/ is a circle jerk of.

>>32217964
>The Allied Forces in WWII lost more airmen in training than in combat.

This is the biggest load of shit I've ever seen.

>>32229330
What makes you assume this ?

>>32222870
>Gets called an SJW
>Attempts rebuttal by writing a long, pretentious post filled with in-group buzzwords and insults
Irony is dead

>>32229715
I'm not him, but I sometimes think that as well. It's that's all too common. People on both sides get blinded by hatred and nationalism. Lord knows I'm guilty of it as well from time to time, despite trying to keep a balanced vision and seeing the merits and demerits in both sides.

Not sure how applicable this is in what he was responding to, just tossing in my own two cents.

>>32228745
Sure, but developing new planes is expensive, slapping a new coat of navy-blue-paint and a "NAVALISED" sticker on an Su-27 was the only thing realistically within their existing budget.

>>32222870
Tumblr/reddit posters are less unlikeable than /pol/.

>>32228547
Most of Russia is too cold to grow crops. Ukraine is much warmer. That fucked them over in ww2 pretty hard, nevermind weapon factories being evacuated. Also Far East and Syberia for Russia is the same as India and America for British Empire. They just weren't smart enough to split their shit.

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>>32229751
You aren't the brightest one out there, are ya?

>>32229768
>Tumblr/reddit posters are less unlikeable than /pol/.
Neo-/k/ right there.

>>32228547

That won't be an issue if climate change continues. More and more permafrost will retreat as the century advances.

What is with /k/ and hating modern russians, really?

I think /k/ hates it more than the USSR, which is weird.

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>>32229810
Unable to master VSTOL or catapuls, they decided on using the most advanced technology the Russian aerospace industry was capable of.

Fucking hinges.

>>32229828
It's less "/k/ hates russians"

It's more

>Their tech is shit
>Their fanboys are incredibly butblasted and defensive about this
>These two facts, taken together, are fucking hilarious

>>32229843
I see more asshurt from both sides, not funny nonetheless.

But despite these techs, the ruskies are winning Syria either ways.

>>32229828

Butthurt belt.

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>>32229837
Are you, like, attempting to troll?

>>32229846
You sound defensive

>>32229857
The key difference with that my slavic friend, is that it has a catapult, which means it can actually carry useable loads of weapons and fuel.

>>32229858
Just stating the truth, m8.

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>>32229828

Internet has reached the former Warsaw Pact members. This borderland has a long history of changing hands every once in a while between the Eternal Kraut and the Rusky.

>>32229862
So trolling and moving goalposts then. Good to know.

>>32229867
I don't think it's the eastern europeans who hate modern Russia m8.

>>32229818
I'm not proud of picking tumblr over anything and I never thought I'd do it, but /pol/tard is such a scum, anyone looks good next to them. I'm not sure ow do you even accomplish being so unlikeable. Well, I know actually, it's when you're trying to force your shit on other people and /pol/ just pushes their shit super hard now. It's the same reason people started reject SJW, so >>32221415 isn't wrong.

>>32229898
Well, dude, you reject SJW so much you are taking SJW over /pol/.

And why the heck is /pol/tard such a scum again? What did he do to you?

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>>32229846
Yes, they've leveraged the full might of the Russian air force against the starving peasants and jihadis for a full year, and with all that might they've retaken half a dozen apartment blocks in Aleppo by flattening them with dumb bombs. Whoop de fucking do, wow, such military might. They're a fucking embarrassment when they try and match real militaries

>>32229907
There's a race going on, and the russians are winning it since the iraqi + US are stumbling in Mosul.

>>32229907

Why are you talking in plural. There's only one real military.

>>32229907

Dumb bombs are ok. This obsession with precisions hampers your military capabilities. There's no point to use precision weapons for absolutely everything when there's cheaper ways to do it. It is only a matter of absurd political correctness.

>>32229902
>Well, dude, you reject SJW so much you are taking SJW over /pol/.
History goes in circles.

>What did he do to you?
He got conceited.

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>>32228745

the Forger gets shit on a lot but it was just a cute anemic little harrier clone that was doublely crippled by the terrible carriers they operated from

>british carrier group operating for 3 months in the contested airspace of the stormy south atlantic lose 6 sea harriers from two squadrons due to accidents and enemy fire while scoring 20 air to air kills and carrying out effective air to ground strikes

>after a few weeks of russian uncontested carrier ops in the fucking med they lost 2 aircraft from a single squadron due to shoddy maintainance

literally even baby through deck carriers work better at force projection than Kuz

>>32229969
Yeah, unlike Britain, Russia has never been known for its navy.

>>32218121
If you bothered reading that page it'd be fairly obvious that you're wrong. More men were killed in combat than training.

>>32229929
>Dumb bombs are ok. This obsession with precisions hampers your military capabilities. There's no point to use precision weapons for absolutely everything when there's cheaper ways to do it. It is only a matter of absurd political correctness.
Retard detected.

Precision weapons means you only need one bomb per target instead of having to repeatedly fuck up and hammer a site. And I guess if you already have a shit reputation like Russia then making it worse by indiscriminately bombing civilians must be fine.

Also, single bomb that can hit 40 vehicles simultaneously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KirBiex5aTA

>>32230064

How expensive is one precision bomb vs the equivalent needed in dumb bombs?

>>32230064
I've seen a Russian video about the smerch MLRS that had a similar missile.

>>32230290
How much is the fuel and pilot's time worth? If the pilot has to drop eight bombs trying to hit one thing and misses them all, necessitating another plane come in and hammer them, how is that better than the one plane dropping one bomb, scoring a hit, then moving on to service seven more targets?

>>32229929
>cheaper ways
Sorry, that's only a problem if you're poor.

>>32217964
>in service for nearly 20 fucking years
>flown from a 30 year old POS carrier
>""""experimental""""

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>>32217955
>ITT: Umitigated levels of damage control.

>>32230489
I guess it's experimental if they had 30 years to learn carrier operations and still don't have the technical skill to do it.

>>32230489
>Brazil is WHITE and BASED

Haha... Brazilians are the most retarded posters in all of 4chan.

>>32217964

>The Allied Forces in WWII lost more airmen in training than in combat.

the is true... pacific theater was a nightmare.

>>32230658
>/pol/ damage control

>>32230702
Hello /pol/bot.

>Anybody who thinks /pol/ is shit is automatically from reddit!

They've got circle-jerk communities of you fucks too, so why don't you go back there and stop dragging your garbage into an unrelated /k/ thread.

>>32230733
/pol/ mods are traitor cucks who endorse commie threads on /pol/ so officially /pol/ is now a free speech board again.

>>32230733
i bet you wear womens underware

>>32230743
>>32230773
And here we see the /pol/tards get assblasted about people hating them for bringing their shit into /k/.

>>32230821
No shame, m8.

/pol/ is a board of peace.

>>32230821
just go back to your reddit safespace pls

>>32230838
>>32230845
Can we get back to talking about how much Russian naval aviation sucks instead of your little circlejerk here?

I know I am going to get some flak for saying this but I feel as if this needs to be said.

I believe many people on /k/ have never been in the military. There are certainly some that do have actual military experience, so this is not directed towards them.

To the people that don't have any, and are screaming "RUSSIANS ARE INCOMPETENT AT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING" need to sit down and shut the hell up.

This is the Kuznetsov's first combat deployment, right? It is quite obvious that the crew of the ship and the Russian Navy needs more training and pilots who fly off the carrier need more flight hours, and more maintenance needs to be done.

If you don't train on a regular basis, your muscles can atrophy for whatever task you are doing. Don't get all bitchy and try to slap me with a vatnik label because I'm not. I'm simply trying to play devil's advocate here. The Kuznetsov is the pride flagship of the Russian Navy, and I understand why they would not want it to be deployed that often because they don't want to risk losing it, so I can understand why the crewmen of the ship don't have a lot of experience.

If there is a silver lining in all of this, you could say that the Russians now have some valuable data and information to use for after action reviews, which do help. If they are smart about it, they will implement changes and ideas brought up in said AAR's, but the likely hood of that is small, considering their track record.

It is a part of life about being in the military. Equipment is going to fail, and you aren't going to be proficient at doing things if you don't practice and train for it. This is a mighty big wake up call for the crew of the Kuznetsov and the Russian Naval Command and hopefully in the future they get their act together.

tl:dr, training, maintenance and AAR's are very important. For the Russians it seems that waging war seems to be their method of trimming the fat off of their military and finding out what is wrong with it.

>>32231035
I'm pretty sure its just leftie butthurt
see>>32230873

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>>32230821

>>32231035
If Russia was honest about how degraded, underfunded, and behind the curve their military was, sure. But no, they've been almost constantly bragging about how much greater they are at everything, how they'll wreck the fuck out of anyone who tries to stop them, all while ignoring the lack of funding and general faults in their gear, training, and overall readiness while pretending long-disproven wunderwaffle tech like ground-based IADS and low band radar somehow render the US, which has kept a 20+ year lead on all military tech and a large standing all-volunteer professional force, impotent. It's just sad, and the Vatniks who come on here are annoying as fuck because they seem to live in a completely different reality from the rest of the world.

Russia can't afford to maintain what they have, and, for example, the PAK-FA's development makes the F-35's look smooth as silk.

>>32231124
>>32231184
>Everyone I don't like is reddit

>>32231233
Are they living in a different reality though?

Russians are actually accomplishing their objectives and winning wars, despite their lower-tier techs.

Sometimes, I feel it's the fatniks who live in another universe, when all that advanced tech means jackshit in a real war.

>>32231233
This
If it wasnt for the vatniks getting a heap of shit back, i would be against this type of threads, but since vatniks shit up every second thread, while the "logical" russboos just defend everything they do, i simply cant feel any sympathy for them. They get what they truely deserve.

>>32231249
>Russians are actually accomplishing their objectives and winning wars, despite their lower-tier techs.
You're not really winning anything, you're just bombing the shit out of civilian areas. And not even ISIS targets.

The current US strategy is to make the locals actually do the heavy lifting, and now that ISIS is going broke and losing ground it's proving effective.

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>>32231249
>fatniks

>>32231233
I am not denying this fact. Aspects of their military are definitely degraded, underfunded, and behind the curve that the rest of the Western world is on, and I am not denying the fact they brag and boast.

Their military has made a great deal of improvements since the late 90ies and early to mid 2000's, but they still lag behind the West in a great many areas.

The point that I am trying to make is the areas that need to be improved or advanced are making those advancements, but very slowly. Once their operation in Syria is completed, then perhaps we might see some changes in the Russian Navy and their naval aviation, but I think that is a hopelessly optimistic opinion, considering their track record in many other areas.

My fingers are crossed, but my hopes aren't set that high. If there is one thing being in the Army has taught me, its to not hope too much, but we'll see.

>>32231249
>Russians are actually accomplishing their objectives and winning wars
What are their objectives?
What is their support?
What is their opposition?
What are their rules of engagement?
What are their losses?
How much is the Kuznetsov contributing towards their conflict?

Saying "But they're making progress in Syria" tells us nothing about how effective their hardware actually is. In the case of their carrier, safe to say, "not very".

>>32231285
>>32231318

Is the survival of Assad is their objective, then they have accomplished their objective. What the do later with it is another question. It could be that Syria is a barging chip for them. It could be that they are serious about using it to achieve a leading role on the Middle East. Or it could be a distraction masking their real target.

>>32229743
The thing with his comment was the assumption that because I hate vatniks, I'm going to act like them. I don't pretend everything russian is bad, or that everything made in the US (or whatever country) is better.

This alone is a fundamental difference compared to vatniks who think Russia does nothing wrong and everything Russian is better. I'm Swiss, yet I have no problem talking about the flaws of my own country. I love much of the US equipment, yet I would never try to defend something endlessly when it's shown to be bad.

I can understand some pro-russian bias, but the shit vatniks come up with is just ridiculous. One typical example is how /pol/tards and vatniks will pretend that anything that doesn't put Russia in a good light is propaganda, anything that turned people against Russia is a conspiracy, and everything made by Russia is just better than everything else.

>>32231843
To add your post in response to the other, since it is present there: What also is commenly used is declaring that both sides are the same, since it happens on both sides, while totaly ignoring the amount, proportion and circumstances.

>>32231035
>This is the Kuznetsov's first combat deployment, right? It is quite obvious that the crew of the ship and the Russian Navy needs more training and pilots who fly off the carrier need more flight hours, and more maintenance needs to be done.
And this is all shit that should've been done well before they ever deployed to a combat zone.

If you are/were in the military, you know that a unit doesn't sit around for years on end with their thumbs up their asses and THEN start training on their MOS once they're deploying. You have multiyear cycles like ARFORGEN meant to get a unit ready for a deployment so that there's plenty of time to correct as many fuckups as possible in a safe, controlled training environment. If a carrier is not on a deployment yet, you still have the crew conducting routine maintenance, performing drills, conducting training air ops, etc. You're constantly training and refining to mitigate risk.

That's why people are using this 2nd accident to shit all over Russia. The vatniks talk a big game about Russia is equal to if not superior to the US and NATO. While it is true that the Russian military has improved a lot since the Yeltsin years, they are still lagging behind badly in areas like combat readiness that are way more vital to the power of a military than what fancy equipment they're supposed to get in the next couple years. The fact that their "flagship" is just now conducting carrier operations in a combat environment and running into bush league fuckups is just one example of this.