Middle east general / Syria. First time being OP edition

I hereby crescent the new ME thread. I missed the whole weekend and judging by what I missed the entire eastern Aleppo pocket almost collapsing in two days. That's fine, I'll tune into the early Monday wires and see what's happein.
>>32215480
As far as the eastern Aleppo pocket shrinking more i think that's a given without any further rebel action. The only question is how many SAA/Shia cannon fodder can they take out before running out of space and ammo. It could be alot or a little depending on things.

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>>32215904
Early wires have nothing but a few bombing raids in Idlib. Pic is a tard Jihadist. His trip to paradise is ready.

>>32215480
what is this map from?

>>32216011
http://syria.liveuamap.com/

Just know that faggots from all sides get to peddle their shit so take everything with a grain of salt until verified by multiple sources

I was reading on some fighting in Deir Ezzor from yesterday and Deir Ezzor SS (who changed his name btw) is saying there is ongoing fighting by the panorama including a IS VBIED. This is a continuation from yesterday when IS started attacking the panorama checkpoint again.

Everywhere else is quiet.

>>32215991
special forces

I give East Aleppo 1 week left

>>32215480
>Its becoming apparent SAA and friends are trying to connect with the Citadel in Aleppo. The question is are the rebs going to stand their ground or evacuate and try to avoid a pocket again
Supposedly the SAA stopped their push just short of reaching the citadel to allow the rebels an avenue for retreat from the northern most remnant area. Makes sense for both parties, the rebels don't want to get divided up into a bunch of micropockets, and SAA would get to retake a few more blocks for minimal fighting, vs having to go house to house against cornered rebels with nowhere to run just yet. So far SAA have been fairly consistently following simple rules of warfare in always allowing their opponent an option to escape each time it's looked like they might isolate sub-pockets in Aleppo.

>>32216496
>I give East Aleppo 1 week left
Always possible they throw in the towel entirely, but SAA have slowed down from the insane blitzkreig they were managing and short of a wholesale surrender by the rebels it's going to continue to get harder going, the fewer options to retreat they have the harder the rebels can be expected to fight. Plenty of other pockets smaller than the current Aleppo holdings have lasted a long time, albeit under arguably less intense assault, but it's still fairly likely to drag on into the new year, even if maybe not by much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1UXA-KISh0

heh

>>32215480
Holy fuck, that part of the livemap really lit up like a...Christmas tree.

>>32217042
Any details? I would love to know what they were targeting.

>>32217500
Idlib is lighting up too. Shit's getting real.

>>32217042
*pomf*

>>32217042
Old missile with near end shelf life malfunctioned and burned two TELs. Still pretty embarrassing but not critical.

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Longrange snipers claimkillingsenior leadersarmed groups in the Aleppo.

- Informed sources talk that the Russian troops stationed actually played an important and active role in monitoring the movement of terrorists and to provide accurate information about their whereabouts, by providing the coordinates of minutes Harbi Syrian / Russian Joint Aviation who managed in the process of directing a judge strikes have killed many of the field commanders terrorist groups.

>The sources also reported that several important field commanders of the gunmen were killed Baknasat modern long - range weapons while they were directed to cellular calls that identified their whereabouts.

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“Look at their trucks,” said Mohammed Ahmed Mohammed, a community elder, as he sat by the main road leading into the city. “They were all given to them by the Americans, and not one of them hasn’t been hit by a rocket. All of their windows have been hit by snipers. They look like they have been fighting for five years. It is closer to two months.”

Across from him, a mechanic tinkered under the bonnet of a humvee that had pulled into a newly reopened workshop. Someone else tended to a flat tyre. Further out of the city, nine black and obliterated vehicles were on display outside a truck stop. An army technician wandered through them looking for things to salvage. “There’s not much,” he said. “Two people died in this one, and we had three martyrs in that,” he added, pointing to almost unrecognisable wreckage.

Smoke from airstrikes billowed from the city in the distance. The east bank of the Tigris river, which splits the city, is the only area in which Iraqi forces are operating and was predicted to be the easier of the two halves to take. As Iraqi forces eventually near the river, there is a growing likelihood that Isis will blow the last of the five bridges flanking it – US airstrikes have disabled the other four – making a push to the west highly difficult and raising the spectre of the Shias on the western outskirts playing more of a direct role after all.

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IS and Russia start talks on rebel withdrawal from Aleppo

o shyt son

>>32218562
*US not IS kek

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>>32215991

Isn't one of the pre-requisites of the Sunni faith an IQ below 90?

They're mostly from rural backwaters where inbreeding is rampant.

>>32218735
>talks about sunnis being dumb
>posts picture of an idiot that crashed his car against a roundabout

Muslims are generally pretty dumb.

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>>32218742

>>32218777
How do you think he would have handled the situation compared with Bashar?

>>32218787

I linked it more because of roundabout than the album/image name itself, so it wasn't meant to mock or disagree.

That being said I think he might have just gone more hard against the 'protests' early on to snuff it out before it got out of hand. More like what his father did in the 1980s with the Muslim Brotherhood. Maybe you can't wipe Hama to the ground like father did in this modern news-media/interconnected world. But use Bassel's existing good relations with the other arab states and charm/cajole/win over the Sunni Syrian power-brokers and you don't get a revolution even trying to occur. No Saudi paranoia about muh Persians and they have less reason to fund the jihadists if Bassel can frame a Syrian uprising as the equivalent of a black september for Jordan or Grand Mosque seizure for the Saudis. Without the Persian boogeyman no Arab strongman wants to see an ibn taymiyyah inspired uprising, not least when it's couched in rhetoric of democracy and arab-springism.

But who knows what would have happened if Basil was in power since the 90s/early 2000. Maybe they'd be a lot warmer with the US and so a Syrian revolt would be glanced over as much as our media glanced over Bahrain's uprising.

>>32218832
How can the persian boogeyman not exist if Syria and Iran have always been allies since the iranian revolution?

>>32218777
>scrolling
>see fragile
>don't even read thread
>make this post
Well, here we are.

>>32218851

That's true, I guess I mean if the Persian boogeyman exists but not in such a zero sum situation. If Syria is able to engage in some diplomatic niceities and mutual interests with the Sunni Arabs then they are viewed in less manichaean notions. Since you had the Persian boogeyman since 1979 but the Sunnis had been able to deal with them before without having an autistic tizzy. But on the flipside except for the early 80s the Iranians have never been such a boogeyman threat for the Saudis. So Iran with an ostensibly withdrawing USA might still have galvanized the Saudis to try and remove Syria if it was Basil assad and not Bashar "Smash the ISIS-Gingevitis" Assad.

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Russians need to bring some stuff to defend against mortaring when they set up close to the front lines.

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>>32219067
Yes I watched the ANNA footage of the blown Russian military field hospital. Pro rebel source claims rebels are gradding the shit out of everything in Aleppo, Hama, Fua(Idlib), Latakia etc but delaying reports of it in a semi rebel media blackout. Rebels attacking Fua directly reneges the Zabadnai ceasefire although either side has shelled both Zabadnai and Fua from time to time.

Pro rebel sources claim to have repelled the SAA advance coming from the airport, almost reaching the citadel but I have yet to see proof of this.

>>32216318
Deir Ezzor 24 reports heavy fighting by the airport as IS has launched renewed attacks around the city.

>Syria rebels coalition in Eastern Aleppo rule out withdrawal, truce or any reconciliation with government.

Well, looks like they're preparing for a last stand and will die with weapons in hand, all of them.

>>32219290
Arabs and their "honor" are truly retards.

>>32219302
What's left to be known is if they'll take the rest of the civillians with them, or not.
I'm thinking they will.

>>32219320
If they would care for the civilians they would accept a "go to idlib" deal and postpone the heroic death in combat for a little bit while leaving the civilians alone, but apparently they don't give a fuck.

>>32219290
If rebels can mange a 2:1 death ratio in the last stand we could be talking about some high numbers. Say there is 750 rebels left in the pocket.
They could cause 1,500 SAA casualties in the final assault. This wouldn't even bother the SAA since most of them are Iraqi/Afghan or at least it wouldn't be unexpected.

>>32219375
Pro rebel sources just released footage of the counter attack in eastern Aleppo this morning. Of course they captured another Iraqi and killed some, just as I posted about expected high Iraqi Shia death tolls so it happens.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/805774166502752256/pu/vid/326x180/qUSfObnCPHOdqpwW.mp4

>>32219375
a KD ratio of 2:1 is pretty surreal, I think.
The SAA has been losing far less men than the rebels in Aleppo.

We're at a KD of roughly 4:1 (rebel sources) for the SAA in this battle right now.

>>32219375
Even a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio wouldn't bother the SAA since most of the dead would be foreigners anyway. Having full control of Aleppo is waaaaay more important than even 10000 iraqi or afghani militiamen.

But to achieve these numbers the rebels would need coordination and proper defense lines. They seem to have neither of this.

>>32219396
I mean it is a last stand. I don't think it's crazy. Remember these are Iranian commanders. They don't give a shit about losing tons of men if they reach their objective.

>>32219418
umm yea that's exactly what I was saying. They already have more than enough men for this.

>>32219431
>Remember these are Iranian commanders

Wrong. Iranians don't play an important role (in commanding) at this point. Russians do.

>>32219438
Read the 2nd sentence and don't get hyped already.. its always the same with you 5 star. You interpret something in some reports and then you get mega hyped for your "mega battle" but it never happens.

>>32219431
But reversing those numbers I've mentioned, even with a last stand?
They would need to kill 8 government soldiers for each rebel lost. I think it's extremely hard (although not impossible).

Also, if you take notice, iranian commanders have slightly changed their tactics after hemorraging a shitload of men and worse, officers. Their attacks are much more focused now (eg. attack from several fronts), they take time to prepare offensives (eg. buildup of men near Al-Eis and Kweires) without just sending the men to die, etc.

>>32219443
They are over the Iraq side of the militias and they are very much involved. The Russian's control the overall battlefield. They don't bother with the tactical shit.

>>32219454
I think we all agree on the same result, just not on the expected casualties. How dare I suggest a last stand could involve high casualties right?

>>32219466
>They are over the Iraq side of the militias and they are very much involved.

After tikrit 2: electric bogalaoo, quds got BTFO by american advisers (rather, the iraqis told them to get out). All thats left is the militias.

>>32219491
They get overrun at this point. The time to cause high casualties is already over. This was when they had a proper line of defense. There they should have caused lots of dead militiamen. Right now its isolated groups with no coordination, no food, infighting and an overwhelming enemy closing in on them.

Compare it with Stalingrad or Berlin if you want. The high casualties for the Attacker were in the beginning of the fights. The end was only bloody for the defender.

>>32219503
In Syria the Iranians direct the Shia militias. They have operational military bases and advisers for both the Iraqi militias and Afghan soldiers. The Aleppo one is based in Al Hadher.
>>32219527
I don't see a problem with this thought either. If you look at my first post ITT I said it could go either way depending on different factors.

>>32219290
Meanwhile they arrested/shot 700+ rebels who were discussing surrendering.

I wouldn't take Arab proclamations too seriously

>>32219503
This didn't happen

https://twitter.com/Terror_Monitor/status/805808517634408448

IS claims to have repelled a SAA attack in east of Palmyra today killing 10 SAA in IEDs. The SAA/NDF have been attacking IS by the Palmyra silo checkpoint and near Shear oil field backed by Ruaf attack helicopters and airstrikes for weeks now. IS also took casualties in bombing raids.

I believe one side will crack in these battles eventually.

>>32219742
>ISIS claims

I cut them down by a factor of 3 on average. Ever since the pushes to Sukhna and Shaer died, it seems that this part of Syria has just been skirmishes and Arab shenanigans.

I'd expect the SAA to win out though. Airstrikes and armor are too much in the longterm.

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>>32219583
sauce?

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Hezbollah, can anyone identify the assault rifle?

>>32215480
Where's Aleppo?

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>>32220481
Northern Syria.

>>32220474
AK-74 with Acog. Cheek weld looks really bad but that's normal for them. They do the same thing to Chinese M-16a1s.

>>32219302

There is actually no such concept as honor in the Mudslime world.

>>32219375
>>32219396
>>32219418

You people are all well out of your depth in your bizarre, rambling speculation.

Stick to posting pictures, because your talking tactics sounds like a child talking about nuclear fission.

>>32220886
Ok grand old strategy master, grant us armchairs a glance into your vast knowledge on this battle and it's tactical movement.

>>32220886
Talking about tactics is one of the parts of discussing the events. Its an attempt to understand the kinds of commanders each group has. If we can correctly predict their movements, it gives more insight into the workings of their units.

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jihadi merc company .. led by former russian VDV

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>>32221369
https://twitter.com/RaoKomar747/status/805812625670021120
>This is Abu Rofiq, an Uzbek/Russian jihadist in Syria. He claims he served in Russias elite Airborne Troops (VDV). He leads Malhama Tactical
Malhama basically means Armageddon btw

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>>32221441
>Malhama Tactical is made up of extremely well equipped and trained Russian speaking jihadists, but it is not a fighting group primarily.

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>>32221453
>Malhama is a Jihadist consulting firm. They go around training Jihadists, offering advice, occasionally fighting as Special Forces

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>>32221464
>Malhama Tactical has trained Ajnad al-Kavkaz in medical techniques (they have a dedicated medical consultant) in Latakia.

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>>32221481
>They've trained rebels (JFS for sure, Ahrar al-Sham possibly as well), in Idlib/Aleppo governorates on multiple occasions.

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>>32221625
>Malhama Tactical has embedded with TIP as well at least once, acting as a special forces team, though that is not their main role

>They function more as a company than a typical group, posting job offers for "mujahid with marksmen experience" w/ 1 day a week vacation


>They also pose a big terrorism risk outside of Syria due to their online videos and guides, here they demonstrate 2man building clearing

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>Malhama covers improvised grenades and many other things that could pose major online terrorism risks, clearly a major terrorism threat

>>32221643
>how to make improvised grenade, YPG/Pesh/SAA/Taliban style:
>take Russian grenade fuse, insert into Yugoslavian grenade body, fill with Chinese grenade explosive
>what, you don't have Russian/Yugo/Chinese grenade parts laying around? What kind of first-world paradise do you live in?

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>Putin has a stroke
>Erdogan has a heart attack
>Assad is killed by a suicide bomber
>Barzani has a stroke

How does the situation change?

>>32221693
fuck off with your meme scenario

>>32221369
>>32221441
>>32221453
>>32221464
>>32221481
>>32221625
>>32221635
>>32221643
Wasted effort.
As if Arabs or Dunecoons could operate. US tried for a decade to teach Afghans and Iraqis how to fight and it didn't do anything.

>>32221746
All the same I find it very disconcerting.
>snackbars learning to operate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6cjxHFCPcE

>>32219067

Aleppo: Rebel Grenades hit Russian Military Field Camp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9wClmTfs8

>>32221887
RIP

They need to bring whatever their FOB phalanx equivalent is. Pantsir maybe?

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>>32221929
they will bring kruzenouuv into the city center and anchor it there

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>>32221876
>snackbars learning to operate
They can show and "Train" them as much as they want, the Snackbar will never learn and fuck it up when shit starts getting serious.

Just look at the Saudis, they get Billions of Dollars in Weapons, Advisers and all other shit and they still get BTFO by sandal wearing Houthis.

Look at Assads Army, even tho Russians told them a billion times not to stand in the open because they might get TOW'd they still do it.

Same with Iraqis, their Special Forces get a Decade worth of training and they still get lit up and run away when shit hits the fan.

Now whats the Training of some wannabe special forces worth compared to the examples listed above?
fucking nothing.

>>32220872
Yes, there is, but it's mostly related to someone attacking your reputation, either by words or by indecent behaviour of your female relatives.
There is however no such thing as honor related to combat behaviour or telling the truth. Everything is fine to gain an advantage/win a fight. Sandpeoples gonna sand.

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>>32221944
that shitty ship is such an embarrassment for the Russian Airforce/Navy.
Russkis almost had it to convince everyone of "Russia Stronk" but had to fuck it up with their wannabe carrier.

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RU air force has lost 2cenond fighter jet Su-33 during landing on Admiral Kuznetsov

http://www.interfax.ru/world/539925

klingonian article

>>32222000
You must be some kind of deep retard if you only see propaganda in the ongoing kuznetsov op.

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>>32222047
what else is there besides propaganda?

>rusty ship from the 80s
>never been used in a conflict before
>isn't needed in syria ops because Russia has plenty of Airfields
>isn't doing any significant damage besides to russian military image

its a waste of time, money and personnel.

>>32218367
how deep is the tigris in the city center?

>>32219067
Americans call it the T wall

>>32222091
upstate best state

>China rebukes UK rep aft UN Syria vote. Asks what right UK has to distort position of other states, requests UK stop poisoning Security council atmosphere

lel

>>32222287
China needs to get spanked hard

>>32222312
>le WW3 because muh reputation

>>32222312
Why? It makes sense, even outside the context of diplomatic maneuvering. The West has done nothing but prolong a brutal civil war without actually achieving anything
>>32222777
checkd

>>32222819
>West has done nothing but prolong a brutal civil war without actually achieving anything

The west has done virtually nothing to support the rebels. It's all just been hot air

Most western countries don't even arm them anymore. Even so most of it was non combat supplies like radios, food and medical equipment which most probably sold out of the trucks it came in to criminal gangs

>>32222777
>cucks are honestly willing to put up with a fascist regime shitting up the planet because they're not American and the good guys are

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arab selling this as "deagle"

>>32221369
interesting shit

>>32223387
All those Western TOWs we see in every other video must have just been magic'd up then if the rebels have no Western support.

>>32222777
>It can't be an economic spanking

>>32222819
I agree but the smog-filled organ-stealing government-sanctioned fake food and meth producing Kill-the-west-by-any-means Commies are the last people I want to hear an opinion from, even if they're right.

>>32220504
What's Syria?

>>32223600

depending on the price I would probably buy that, I love BHPs

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Assad must be celebrating and the rebels must be crying right now, yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv0ub3j-Dhk

Interior of "hospital" in rebel Aleppo captured by SAA during recent fighting, featuring ammo storage, command post, court house, jail and torture chamber

Let this be a warning to those who harbor illusions on Sharia law and political Islam.

>>32222312
China here.

What are you bongs gonna send over? Your carriers? Your Type 45?

We pray for them not to break down on their way. Our missile troops want something to sink, after all.

>>32225483
Sure you are.

How about we rape the RMB to fuck and fund some Tibetans and Turkestan rebels? Sure would be a shame if Japan became powerful again. Your ties with pakistain would sure piss off some designated street-shitters who have been fighting your maoist rebels in the east and sharing border glaciers in the north..

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>>32225540
>street shitters
pic related. I pressume their shittiness is due to you being their colonial master, isnt it?

>tibetan and turkestan rebels

kek.

We burned a thousand of them earlier this year while they were hiding in their caves. Was fun, Would do again and again. I wonder how a James Bond amongs them would burn...

>Japan powerful again

Japs first have to fix their shitty economy. 28 F-35 by 2030? Kek, till then, we will have 700+ J-20s deployed, along with at least three aircraft carriers and a navy of 200 major suface combattants.

>>32225763
I'm a burger you dog eating rice picker. Funny you would be on /k/, maybe You should watch out for the organ-stealing vans. All it takes is a few trade deals and a vial of SARS you emasculated skeleton-soon to be a single homogeneous gender-Hansavage. The sheer amount of smog from building a world war arsenal would kill you if the lead poisoning from your service rifle didn't.

Besides, PRC is a non-country-Taiwan is the only CHyna ;)

Just heard about the rebel attack on the russian military/field hospital

Russian ground operation when?

>>32227266
after inauguration

>>32225763
I'd bite my tongue considering India was in the same position as China during the 90's. If India can manage to educate a quarter of its population with Western education standards, China won't be laughing much longer as India turns itself around. Yes they have a long way to go, but they still have a booming economy, that unlike China, still has more room to grow. The question isn't if India will overtake China but when.

Buuuut as of right now that "when" is far off in the distance as India needs to really pick itself up if it wants to continue to compete with China.

>>32225191
>all that Personally Identifiable Information and evidence left behind
Those guys are so fucked

>haven't been watching Syria
Can someone explain who is fighting who.

Who are the good guys now? Al-Queda, Assad, or Isis? I feel like we've been fighting all three for forever and they're all fighting each other and I don't know who to root for

>>32227869
Assad should be the obvious choice out of those 3

>>32227902
Aren't we like actively supporting Al-Queda now?

>>32227929
Alt-Queda

>>32227940
So
We fucked up, killed Iraq, everyone starts fighting each other because Iraq isn't there any more, and now Assad is the good guy because he isn't as extremist as ISIS and Alt-Queda?

>>32227956
The US is looking into possibly doing air drops of supplies for people in Aleppo and have even given the green light (technically that was congress that did it) to equip the rebels with MANPADs

Not that any of this has happened yet, but the fact that they're considering it could be pretty dangerous.

>>32227929
>Now

Notice how in every one of these little conflicts(yemen syria etc.) that inside Western-allied sunni territory these Isis groups just happen to sprout up so that we can "provide air support" but then we just get involved anyway?

Use your head. The 11 country plan was just postponed.

>>32228060
Bro we've given the rebels thousands of TOWS and other shit. Air support. hundreds of millions in equipment. Where have you been?

>>32227956
Pretty much, Assad is only the 'good guy' in being the least shitty of some very shitty options. Whilst I'm sure there's a few that genuinely do, not many support him for being Assad or for anything he's ever done.

>>32228093
MANPADs are different though. The ability to shoot down aircraft with reliable weapons would be a game changer for the rebels if supplied in large enough numbers. Yes the US supplies some rebels, but the issue is that the weapons make their way to all kinds of groups. The US isn't supplying ISIL, yet because of the conflict they end up with US weaponry. Now imagine if the US started to supply MANPADs. Shit would hit the fan if suddenly Russian and American choppers started falling out of the sky.

That and the air dropping of supplies into Aleppo are new. You're lumping it together with other similar stuff that's happened. But it's something completely different as it'd shake things up substantially.

>>32228098
This. I personally like Bashar's shift from Hafez's old policies, and while I sit on my hands when it comes to saying he's a good person, he's the devil that we know. Id just imagine what his father would do if he were in his son's position, jesus christ Hafez was legit a scary fucker.

>>32228252
>US giving rebels MANPADS
didnt the State Department themselves warn against this? Did they just do the 180 recently? Did they learn nothing from Afghanistan?

>>32228678
Its passed in an attempt to sway the incoming administration. By already gaining authorization from congress, they are able to increasingly lobby trump to arm the rebels with the weapons. It's a "hey if you say yes we'll do it right away" kind of lobbying whereby all they need is his approval while having laid out the groundwork in advance. I doubt trump will allow for it, that might be exactly why they're doing this, in order to start pressuring him about it the day he gets into office.

>>32228839
I too doubt Trump will approve of this measure, but congress can pass this measure before January, but Heavens above the prospect of Al Qaeda getting MANPADS again.

What sort of nightmare do these Neo-Cons/Liberals have in mind?

>>32228900
An Israeli one

>>32222777
check'd

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Qasioun map of Aleppo today showing pro SAA forces still close to the citadel.

Pro SAA source claims Qadi Askar and Tarbet Lala neighbourhoods liberated and ongoing operations in al Sha'ar
https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/806098967121444864

Lastly a VBIED reported in Al-Zahraa district with video proof of the explosion floating around plus continued rebel shelling.
Aleppo is heating up fast.

>>32229765
Just to add to your report.
Sha'ar is captured, according to pro government sources (to be confirmed).

Also, advances in Marjeh, which gives me credit after an anon said the SAA wouldn't manage to advance there as it was very well defended by the rebels.

>>32227869
>>32227929
>>32227956
Lurk moar post less

>>32229765
Second VBIED has gone off, assumedly in Al-Zahraa district.

I forgot to mention unknown ((((aircraft))) launched several bombing raids on Hezbollah positions near Zabadani. Unclear what ((((their))) target was.

>Reports: SAA and its allies have fully captured the neighborhood of AlShaar in eastern Aleppo

Al Shaar is gone?

>>32230000
Quads confirm!

Allah! Syria! Bashar!

>>32219460
a lot of iranian officers are just scrubs promoted only because of their age though

>>32230090
One could argue that the Iranians know that, and thats why these guys are deployed to the front lines.. to make room for new/better/younger candidates

SAA combat video from Aleppo with clear footage of them shooting up a city block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb-hooDHOnk

>>32230201
Their infantry almost looks competent in this video.

Any clue what units that are? Tiger? Liwa? Iraqis?

>>32230201

There's even better footage of them operating with tasks and using pretty decent tactics, showing close coordination of infantry and armor. Looks like some of the units to emerge from this war are going to be some of the best in the Arab world, with a bit of Russian influence, Israel best be afraid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIqic6nK-A4

>>32230325
They still run around in awfully close together groups.

Heh, reading a twitter Zanki supporter having a meltdown. He basically said they have been abandon. All they asked for was the factions outside the pocket to attack at least one Shia enclave and all they are doing is sitting on their asses launching missiles.

>>32230422
>All they asked for was the factions outside the pocket to attack at least one Shia enclave

As if that would have changed a thing..

There is like half the month left, can Assad and Putin finally end Aleppo?

If they did, it would be a huge victory for morale.

>>32230431
Seeing how fast they took more than half of the pocket it can be over by friday if the rebels start panicking again. Maybe it will take til february though.

Its really hard to predict but apparently the took another big chunk earlier today.

>>32230448
Goddamn, why can't they just assemble a fucking vanguard with all the T-90/T-72 and best infantries possible and just go in and kill everything.

This is killing me because a victory in 2016 is gonna be big, it means Russia beats America in finishing their conflict.

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>>32221973
and the us didn't get BTFO by sandal wearing taliban?

>>32223600
it's shiny enought to be one

>>32230325
Difficult to compare capabilities in operations against insurgents and effectiveness against conventional, modern militaries.
On the SAA specifically, the government of Syria isn't interested in starting yet another conflict, especially with a more powerful neighbor.

Any estimates on how long Idlib will hold out after Aleppo falls?
I'm anxious to see the fight move to Raqqah and Deir Ezzor.

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>/k/ucks blown the fuck out

Sheikh Lufti and Majreh have been confirmed captured by both government and rebel sources.
Rebels are having a meltdown in twitter right now.
Their morale must be close to nil.

Also, I need sources for the capture of the eye hosptal by the rebels today. Did they really recaptured it, or is it still in the hands of the SAA?

>>32230601
If the SAA starts to concentrate their entire force on the Idlib Province they will capture large parts of it quickly is think. Lots of it is open ground and i would expect them to create several pockets with some of the better defended towns inside.

On the other hand i don't think they will go for Idlib right away. With the IS in Mosul getting beaten they might want to finally establish a connection to Deir Ezzor as their next priority after Aleppo and from there maybe move towards Raqqa.

>>32230601
SAA will move to secure the areas around Al-Bab and Al-bab (if they manage) to cock-block Turkey first.
Then, the salient at Hama and maybe advance from south Aleppo towards Al-Eis.

After that, who knows. Homs? Latakia towards Jisr Shugour?

>>32230601
I'd say years, easily.

>>32222091
okay kiddo

>>32230425
>>32230422
Some Rebel commander of the "Conquest Aleppo" said: "Great surprises during the next few days". And adding to it, Rebels are shelling the artillery base and attacking Al-Zahraa with VBIED's and tanks.

If they will try to do something really big, and if it will result in anything at all, we still need to see.

>>32230717
Of course they will try to do something big. Another breakthrough attempt.

It will be interesting to see if they manage to pull it off again or if they get stalled quickly like the last time. Who knows how many new fighters (i assume they will send the ones from west ghouta and the other bus-loads in as the first waves) and weapons they got in the meantime.

>>32230717
Massive failure like the last two tries incoming?
What do you think? Rebels in Aleppo are already denouncing the "outside" ones for only shelling and not advancing already.

>>32230717
I'd say its just a bluff. If they really had the manpower to do something serious they would attack by surprise and not boast about it on twitter some days before.

They try to slow the SAAs advance by announcing an attack so SAA will shift their forces to defend these areas.

>>32230717
>W-we are go-go-going to do something g-guyz, for real!!!!11!ONE
How can you be so retarded as to fall for such shit-tier propaganda?

Is the userbase of this board really this retarded?

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>>32230448

Still the SAA effort is going remarkably well compared to the Mosul clusterfuck.

LOL, how embarrassing it must be for the Western cucks.

>>32230806
You can't compare the two though. Aleppo has been shelled for years and the defenders have a way smaller area. Mosul isn't properly encircled yet and they just started.

Also, while everyone is focused on Aleppo, the SAA is also advancing on East Ghouta.

Seems like that pocket might be reduced to mainly Douma and Jobar by the end of the year.

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>>32219320
>>32219339
>rebels
>care for the civilians
top fucking kek, they won't let their meat-shields go to waste.

>>32230823

The biggest difference is the SAA has crack units whereas the Iraqis have yet to learn how to fight a war.

>>32230746
The three last attempts failed miserably, indeed, but I prefer to be cautious. Depending where they attack and with how much forces, it could work.

It has being already sometime since johnny reb didn't tried anything funny in North Hama or around Latakia, aside from the common shelling, they could have moved their mojor forces to try open Aleppo again. But if this was the case, we could expect that Russian eyes would have already spotted any major enemy troop movement.

If also could vary depending where they target their breakthrough attempt. If is Al Zahraa, even if they did have initial success, the distance until they reach the rebel pocket is longer and more urban, they would probably get bogged down. Crossing against the artyllery base is the shortest way into the rebel pocket, but after this year, the SAA and allied forces probably already prepared better defences overthere, I hope.

It could also all being just bullshit bluff, to calm down their doomed pals inside Aleppo.

>>32223387
>The west has done virtually nothing to support the rebels. It's all just been hot air

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>32230865
In theory the Iraqis should have some top tier units as well. Some were trained by US for almost a decade and fought against militants for the same time span

>>32230918
I wonder what would be the purpose of a new breakthrough (if they manage to break through that is).

They can't realistically hope to keep that corridor between Idlib and Eastern Aleppo open forever, so sooner or later the army will close it again. So whats the point? Evacuate? If the rebells inside would surrender they get a free bus ride to Idlib anyway.
Get supply/more troops in? Great idea, even more people that are going to die or starve after some more weeks or month of bombing/shelling and more assaults.

Its game over for them in Aleppo either way.

>>32227479
>I'd bite my tongue considering India was in the same position as China during the 90's.

Yeah I wonder why India barely improving since the 90's somehow bodes well for them suddenly improving rapidly.

>If India can manage to educate a quarter of its population with Western education standards, China won't be laughing much longer as India turns itself around.

You seem to think education = economic strength. India has 30% illiteracy. China has had 1% illiteracy since the 90's.

>Yes they have a long way to go, but they still have a booming economy, that unlike China, still has more room to grow.

What? China is where America was in 1960 on the development scale. You suddenly think they are going to stop growing?

>The question isn't if India will overtake China but when.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

India 71 years after independencs, still has less GDP than its master, Britain.


>Buuuut as of right now that "when" is far off in the distance as India needs to really pick itself up if it wants to continue to compete with China.
>continue to compete
It's not even competing. If you didn't notice, India cooperates with China. Not the other way around.

>>32228252
>MANPADs are different though

They are, but the original anom claimed the West has done almost nothing to support the Jihadists rebels

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>>32223387
+2 Happy Meals have been sent to your cubicle

>>32230601
Deir


They need to start the year off right for Trump politically by attacking ISIS.
Idlib can be contained for now until most of the pockets around Damascus/South are transferred there.

>>32230823
Ayyy you can considering the Iraqis have one city + a few towns in ISIS hands to take, and the full backing of a 28 nation coalition + 12,000 US """"""""advisers""""""

Sadkop has also been recaptured by the SAA some time ago, today.

>>32231044
SAA should try another probing push into Sheikh Saeed. Last time they did that they got pushed back, but the rebels lost all of their eastern front.

Just don't push as far into Saeed this time.

>>32231178
Yep

I'm predicting Aleppo will fall by Christmas. Best to get a done before Trump is inaugurated.

>>32221887
you would think that they would at least remove the trees around the FOB first. Very easy for an enemy to infiltrate that perimeter.

>>32231026
ok, i'll accept it. I'll admit to not having read the entire thing. I was merely responding to the fact that anon saw the MANPADs as nothing new. I mis-interpreted it

>>32228916
>>32228900
Its part of their innate liberalism. Everytime they see people in need they think "we have to do something". The worst habit the US has is trying to spread democratic and liberal values regardless of the situation or context in which they're spreading it.

>>32228252
If Berry was going to do that he likely would have done it by now. With Trump entering office in a little over a month I see almost no chance of this happening..

>>32230225
We would be lying to ourselves if we said no tactical improvements have been made since '11.

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>Just received audio from E Aleppo:"It's all correct, unfortunately, all went, we used all the munition & weapons, all went now, we will die"

>>32231599
> we will die

These overdramatic retards. Just surrender and it will be fine.

Oh, wait, they are arabs..

Now an SAA spokesperson has come forward saying that sheikh lufti and marjeh haven't been fully cleared.

>>32231811
Sorry, bad Arabic translation. They confirmed the places WERE under government control.

>>32231937
>>32231811

They were a bit fast to proclaim it and there are still a couple of spots with resistance left but apparently the majority of both districts are captured by now.

>>32231663

yeah they totally wont get tortured to death by Syrian Air Force Intelligence like tens of thousands of other often completely innocent random people

>>32231952
Apparently these bus-loads with fighters that surrendered reach Idlib unharmed.

>FSA Levant Front source: Situation in Aleppo getting worse and worse: Eye Hospital: enemy, Karam al Tahan: enemy, Al Maysar, Sadkop

>>32231965
Which is still Rebel held.

They won't be unharmed when Assad focuses on that region.

>>32231989
Of course not. Nobody ever claimed that, but its always better to live a couple more days (and maybe catch a ride towards turkey or even europe) instead of dying in Aleppo in a battle that was lost from the beginning.

How is the city falling so quickly? Why aren't the rebels fighting house to house?

>>32232096
Probably mostly ammo shortages at this point

>>32232096
There are no houses left

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Reports from newspapers loyal to armed rebels occupying eastern Aleppo indicate they are preparing to surrender to government forces, Israel Shamir, an expert in Middle Eastern affairs, told Radio Sputnik.
On Monday Syria's Al-Watan newspaper reported that armed groups occupying eastern Aleppo are in talks with the Syrian army about giving up their weapons and leaving the area, following a series of demoralizing defeats to government forces.
It will be over soon.

>>32232104
That too. Not many structures still standing or at least intact enough for use.

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>>32232118

What do you do with a few thousand surplus Jihadists?

Probably best to ship them to America, the UK and France, and hope they engage in the same wholesale looting, destruction and murder as they did in occupied Syria.

>>32230107

The thing about IRGC "generals" is that they aren't really generals, they're just really experienced lieutenants.

The IRGC doesn't operate like a standard military, their entire military structure is top-heavy because it's based on the assumption that the ground troops (grunts) would be essentially civilian levies (whether it's Iraqi/Afghan Shia militias or Iranian Basijis).

I'm thinking that what Iran is doing is sort of like a trial by fire: They send all their officers into the Syrian meat grinder, and the best and brightest return home alive, with decent experience, while the weak/incompetent ones die out.

Your point also makes sense, maybe they just want to get rid of all their Iran-Iraq war veterans.

These are the only non-batshit insane explanations I can think of given how they've behaved so far.

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Soon.

>>32231952
So far all the pockets have been evacuated and the deals respected

>>32232096
Ammo/Food/fear

East Aleppo is surrendering.

Gonna take a couple weeks to happen, but they started negotiations.

>>32231989
Wow, you mean people get HURT in war?
Everybody stop shooting! someone could get hurt!

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>Stoltenberg expressed concern about the advent of the government forces in Syria.

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>The US Congress approved the supply of MANPADS to the armed groups in Syria

>>32233598
Source? Just googled it, found nothing regarding MANPADs

>inb4 RT

>We used all the ammunition & weapons. We will die.
https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/806172292258611200
DO IT FAGGOT

>>32233688
These retards have literally been saying shit like this for weeks now, along with the near endless supply of bakeries and hospitals being bombed.

Arabs are so melodramatic and shit at warfare it isn't even funny.

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>>32233575
why don't you do us all a favor and make /pol/ your main board mandic

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>>32233882

But he's right.

The cuck leaders in NATO are just surrogates for the Anglo-Zionists and Neo-Cohens whose only interest is perpetual chaos and industrialization of Syria.

>>32234187
for real?

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>>32234205
Yep, militants began to surrender.

>>32234254
Hard to believe that after all these years Aleppo is finally re-captured.

Wow.

>>32233575
>>32233882
Stoltenberg is a puppet, they just appointed him because muh north sea and the fact that he'll say whatever they want him to say.

>>32234187
Ao, the rebels just retreated from the most densely, packed with buildings, part of the city.
They just retreated from the only place they could have possibly made a good last stand.

And they retreated to the south where the houses are more sparce, where the SAA has repeatedly made successful incursions.

Are they mad?

>>32219460
The Iranian tactic is just pump wave upon wave of inexperienced fighters at enemy positions to be gunned down and slaughted so the enemy soldiers will become slightly depressed from the sheer loss of life they are causing

>>32233882
a kikes a kike man. and this is coming from a kike myself

never trust a jew or a french canadian

It seems that the house of a syrian anon was liberated today in Aleppo, in the old part of the city.
He's currently residing in Kuwait as a >refugee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ussqi3nagrQ
https://twitter.com/Alaa_Ebrahim_tv/status/806262722438500352

Kuz-sempai-sama-chan's internals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3b-XR1V6f0

>>32234803
Haha eat shit FSA
Pearl is best gem and would logically support the SAA and their allies

>>32233214
they also do that because promotions cost less than wage increases

>>32234867
Wouldn't a soldier at higher rank naturally get more wage than he would at lower rank?

>>32234936
yes but the increase is minimal and the promotion keeps people motivated.they also do it in other 3rd world countries

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AND IM FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE


FREE FALLING!

>>32221887
> inflatable flammable medical tent that's ripped off of an American design that's in "Grenade" range

fuck man

>>32225191
>>32227747
I think a lot of that stuff is planted. Not all of it but that ISIS flag seems out of place.

>>32219375
You saw how well the FSA performed in the southern aleppo offensive. I dont think 2:1 is a reasonable number.

>>32221995
>There is however no such thing as honor related to combat behaviour or telling the truth. Everything is fine to gain an advantage/win a fight. Sandpeoples gonna sand.
You just described Jew stereotypes and Armenian stereotypes all in one blow. Must be a middle Eastern thing

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>>32234817
>Internals of the ship

plz that ship is falling apart on the inside. The only thing more disgusting than the engine rooms are the bathrooms.

>>32235218
Especially not after they surrendered.

Some kind of fiece last stand battle is off the table apparently.

>>32221441
When can I expect to buy some operator pants from Malhama Tactical?

>>32235227
>That pic
I CAN HEAR THE MACHINE GODS. THEY ARE ANGRY

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>>32219375
>2:1 death ratio

>>32235272
Almost.

>>32233939
>perpetual chaos and industrialization of Syria.
What?

>>32235227
okay buddy

>>32235272

>A clash of 25k vs 8k

>~300 casualties

And you people call this a "war". In the Battle of Khorramshahr during Iran-Iraq, that single battle for a small town consumed nearly 30,000 casualties.

I want to remind everyone that Syria is a low intensity policing operation, more than a war.

>>32235406

Meant to say de-industrialization.

>>32235436
this.

Its literally just gangs fighting each other who happen to have tanks and artillery and pretend to be armies.

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>>32235227

>>32235436
yes but the whole war has 300k+ deaths,
more than alexander the great waqrs

is it true that US gave to the YPG Javelin ???
http://www.conflict-news.com/articles/the-us-are-supplying-javelin-anti-tank-missiles-to-the-ypg-in-syria

>>32235749
apparently they want to boost their F-16 sales :3

>>32236470
Russian SF still using EOtechs? They must hate their domestic industry stuff

>>32235218
Yeah especially since they just surrendered

>>32235436
These are only confirmed deaths. I can guarantee you that the rebel dead is far higher than reported. Especially after all the bombing.

In total over 400,000 people have died in this war. That's getting to Iran-Iraq levels.

>>32235436
Individual skirmishes are low casualty, but the conflict is made up of constant skirmishing. It's death by a thousand cuts.
Plus there have been a few set piece battles, and shit does pop off.

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old but gold

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>>32237164

>>32235749
hoo boy, can't wait to see the turk tanks pop

>>32232096

Disunity. Even if you and the rest of God's whatever army of glorious something are totally down with turning Aleppo into a desert Stalingrad (or at least an arid Ortona), you know the Something army of God's glorious whatever and the Whatever front of God for the glorious something have already hopped a bus for Idib and now Assad's troops are posing for selfies in their former HQ. If you commit and the God's whatever of the glorious something bails, there's your flank gone, followed shortly by your ass. Makes hopping a green bus and trying to smuggle yourself out and continuing the fight another day more tempting, despite the fact that you are totally totally committed to dying here to fight the monster Assad. Totally, but you know, we have a moral duty to continue the fight right?

>>32234817
Admiral Kuznetsov is basically the smug pepe of the naval world

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>>32237164

Legit question: what the fuck is his problem?

>>32235177
This is not ISIS flag

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Are there any estimates of how much reb fighters are inside the Aleppo pocket? For urban area that vast I would assume not lower than 10k but considering how hard they got routed I'm not so sure anymore.

>>32235749
No. US operators use them, and in another case SAS used them. They are just directed by ypg

>>32239578
i'v enever used a mortar in real life (dispite sharing a barracks with a artillery unit) why the hell do the rounds go from blue, to green?

>>32239810
Different manufacturer is probably only difference.

So Aleppo is over.

Four fucking years, that ying-yang looking bullshit battle line held, combat so close it was almost melee, people assaulting the floor right above them with ladders, mortars, drones, rubble and day to day sniping. Modern day Stalingrad.

And it's over with a whinny tweet.

Where is all the smoke grenades? Hajjis can rig a grad middle to hold 3 times its payload, and pack a pickup with explosives then add armor and manage to keep the suspension from collapsing but can't figure out(or look up) how to make a makeshift smoke grenade to cover his advance/retreat? Seriously never see smoke grenade used by jihadis, but several moments where it would have helped. Am I expecting to much from them?

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>>32235068

>>32240032
I think adding more dakka is easier than, you know considering tactics and making shit that doesn't explode, or things to help your guys.

I don't really think any rebel commanders give a fuck about small unit tactics, I assume they just have small bands and tell them to go and defend somethings and leave them to their own devices.

>>32234010
This is satire right?

Is Turkey going to gobble up Al Bab soon, and are there any chances that they'll start medling with Manbij or the Efrin pocket?

I leave the thread for two days, and the E.Aleppo rebel pocket collapsed even further, away from the city center no less.

What a blowout.

>>32240032
>modern day stalingrad

giving way too much credit to these arabs, even aleppo was mostly low intensity contact throughout the 4 years

this big "last stand" by the rebels is probably nothing bigger than company level engagements in certain areas, nothing remotely on the scale of Stalingrad where hundreds of thousands of troops were involved in contact at any given time

>>32239381
Are you dense? The flag at 0:53 is clearly the Black Standard that IS uses. A little spaced out, but the Black Standard nevertheless.

>>32241425
Depends on when the SAA will mobilize to attack Bab. Assad isn't going to be happy at the Sultan if these state-sponsored rebels started stirring shit with the SAA or beyond the Kurdish realms.

>>32219290
F

>>32228081
What the fuck is an 11 country plan

> A Russian military adviser has died in Syria after shelling in Aleppo ‘by the so-called opposition forces,’ the Russian Ministry of Defense has stated.

Why is putin such a cuck? He should send the tanks in

>>32218367
>Mohammed Ahmed Mohammed
Good lord

>>32241739
One of the downsides of naming your baby after the daddy's first name.

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How do we fix this? Why are they only driven by emotional bullshit? Listening to them I could have sworn those 200k civilians were about to get slaughtered, yet given the casualties it seems the SAA showed a lot of restrain

>>32241739
Isn't one of the oddities of muslim names that they often have very similar or the same forenames but very varied last names?

>>32241773
They're a bureocracy with zero power.
In other words they are literally a machine made to power itself. Not grow, adapt, or interact with the world but simply observe and debate internally about its function.
It's basically 4chan where everyone is paid to shitpost.

>>32241773
>no Antarctica
They are obviously not driven by emotional bullshit, they are driven by their own interests in true realpolitik fashion. Most of the time western interests are alligned with american interests and/or opposite to russian interests.
In this case they are interested in keeping Syria destabilized for as long as possible and stopping Iran from increasing their influence in the area and Russia from recovering as a major regional power.
Using emotional bullshit is a political tool and the most efficent way to form public opinion so as to legitimize potential actions and further sanctions etc in the future.

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News that a Russian Colonel acting as advisor in Aleppo was killed by a rebel bombardment. Ruslan Galitskiy was his name.

Also, reports from some hours ago that the SAA have captured all of the Old Aleppo, right above the Citadel.

>>32239250
Jesus, look at the size of this cat.

>>32241734
You'd be surprised how man of these so-called Russian advisors are really just glorified contractors of the sort the West is all too familiar with.

So all up how many VBIEDs did we see in this last month of Aleppo fun?

>>32241909
You'd be surprised how you retarded, this >>32241851 kombrig of 5th tank brigade.

>>32241948
I think YOU'd be surprised

Rebels want another ceasefire to "evacuate civilians". Good luck fuckers

>>32234677
>anon refugee
>doesn't go to Europe
my nigga

>>32241914
not many, a lot more were used when they broke the siege a few weeks agoI think

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latest hi-res pics

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>>32242292

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The leaders of the United States, United Kingdom,Canada, France, Germany and Italy, release a statement on the situation in Aleppo

>>32242181
He must be rich or have some serious contacts. The gulf states don't want to accept any commoner scum.

>>32242309
>Russia is blocking

AND China! How funny that they seem to have forgotten that already.

>>32242319
I know, cringed the whole way though reading it

Just about every western/UN statement regarding Syria also makes me cringe hard

>>32219302
and by 'honor' you mean 'allahs will'

>>32242292
t-90?

>Salheen district is reportedly captured in east Aleppo

SAA momentum has no brakes right now

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>>32236726
>getting to Iran-Iraq levels.
...and still not enough

>>32241455
ya Stalingrad had upwards of 20k casualties on a single push into the factories. One battle.

>>32242377
Only a war between China and India will produce the amount of casualties that WW2 did.

>>32242335
looks like it

>>32242292
Why the canvas around the turret?

>>32242410
to keep the rain/dust off her

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>>32242300
Wait a sec. December. Islamists. Commieblocks.

>>32235749
No, they just have their specops embed with YPG

Did the citadel in the middle of Aleppo play a big role as a strategic asset during these 4 years ? Or it was just used as military store that the rebel didn't bother taking ?

>>32242315
Taking into account he was living in old Aleppo, he mustn't have been very rich.
Maybe good contacts, relatives living in Kuwait or something.

I just watched a couple of R&U videos about the recent SAA advances.

Maybe one of you guys can answer me this: Why are the soldiers not wearing helmets?
Sure, some during the interviews might have took them off outside of combat, but lots of the footage shows squads advancing during combat and non of them wears a helmet. Why is that? Especially in urban environment a helmet seems to be especially important to prevent injuries from rubble and splinters.

>>32242585
because a) the Syrian Army isn't really "Syrian" anymore lol, and b) this 5 years war has worn everyone down

They are also more militia type units than "troops"

>>32242551
big open space against a modern army with an airforce? That's where I would wanna be!

The reason losing Aleppo is such a big deal is because cities are pretty much the only place where they can fight under the cover of massive multi-floor buildings. I expect SAA to roll through the country side until idlib at an alarming pace.

>>32242645
>I expect SAA to roll through the country side until idlib at an alarming pace.

We will have to see about that.. lots of open space means good lines of sight for atgms too.

>>32242585
Honestly, who knows

I've seen multiple videos in the middle east of soldiers with body armor but no helmet

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???

>>32242616
Most of the Syrian army is Syrian.

Also, consider the Arab nationalism part of it. They (theoretically) think other Arabs are just as good

>>32242677
Russian with helmet, Arabs without.

>>32242677
?

>>32242585
Personally I think that they find it a nuisance to wear during combat, and so they simply dont use them. Or it is a lack of available helmets, who knows.

Syria and some other arab armies have never been so stiff with dress codes, even more in combat, and add to that that arab commanders dont seem to really care for the safety of their subordinates. So, when the soldiers come to their officer and say that they dont want wear helmets, he couldn't care less about this matter.

There is also the whole "It is Allah will" thing, so why bother with protection if when God decided that is your time, it is decided anyway.

>>32242759
>and add to that that arab commanders dont seem to really care for the safety of their subordinates

Westerns sometimes don't understand that in many parts of the world, human life just isn't as highly regarded as it is in the West with its liberalism

>>32242677
poor lil wite boai

>>32236726
>In total over 400,000 people have died in this war.

But not due to combat. Mostly executions and gang warfare shit.

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>>32240032
>Modern day Stalingrad.

Minus the actual warfare.

Urban battles by sand nigs are just neighbors going out on their balconies, firing a few mags from the overhead stance into the enemy apartment building with a cigarette hanging from their mouth, and then going back to their day jobs driving cabs.

You have no idea how unimaginably larger the scale of warfare in Stalingrad was. You people have no perspective because the Eastern Front was never covered in Hollywood properly and you obviously don't read books.

>>32243068
>You have no idea how unimaginably larger the scale of warfare in Stalingrad was

Give us a taster

>>32243068
Are those ruskies with Churchill?

>>32242309

>WAAAAAGH, WE'RE LOSING!

>>32243068
nothing is going to compare to WW2 for a long, long time, it is still the most lethal event in human history. But for a country of 20 million, proportionately, we can call it "their Stalingrad." Don't be such a cunt.

Calling them gangs is equally stupid. It's an army, deal with it. Otherwise you might as well call all the shit in Africa Gangs or something. But the fact remains that these so called gangs as you call them are the most lethal and powerful organizations in the area. They are the army.

>>32242335

T-90A, welded turret.

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>>32243110
>we can call it "their Stalingrad."

I can call your 3rd grade education "Your Personal Stalingrad" as well.

>>32243104
yes

>>32243110
>Calling them gangs is equally stupid.

Its not because thats how they behave for the most part.
The only difference is that they have lots of tanks and an airforce.

>>32242759
>There is also the whole "It is Allah will" thing, so why bother with protection if when God decided that is your time, it is decided anyway.

Can't emphasize how much this matters in the Arab world

>>32242585
>>32242616
>>32242670
A lot of the guys you're seeing in these videos aren't SAA, but NDF, which are basically just a ton of different militias who are fighting for the govt, their supply situation isn't nearly as good, or as uniform as the SAA.

>>32243068
Aleppo has had 80,000 people die in it senpai. For a small country that's their Stalingrad.

>>32243326
I actually expect a higher number of dead if IS defends Raqqa properly.

>>32243314
If you see Tiger forces, or the special units near Damascus, they use full body armor/helmets.

You are correct that about half are NDF/Shia militias, but honestly there are enough helmets in Syria for everyone

>>32243337
There are maybe 80,000 people in Raqqa. Most would flee a battle

>>32243393
True, but a lot of those NDF units are very loosely organised and controlled, and honestly, I feel as if the govt doesn't really want to issue anything more than they have to to the NDF, who are mostly used as fodder or as reserve units.

>>32243393
And even if not, i would assume something as simple as helmets would be shipped to Syria from China, Iran or Russia asap if there would be demand.

>>32243326
>80,000 people die in it senpai
sauce for that.
Since the offensive of november "only" 300 -500 civilian died.