your opinion on this?

>>32214699
>appoint middle school teachers as ministers of defense
>surprised that country security is in jeopardy
who would have thunk it?

>>32214699
Sorry anon Mattis is banned on /k/ See: >>>/qa/868513

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>>32214699
>“I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all.”

>“Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."

>“The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.”

The guy is absolutely /k/-tier

>>32214732
No one gives a fuck, eh.

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>>32214792
>he does it for free

How long before this thread is gone too???

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>>32214699
All its missing is Sajjan

Macierewicz needs to die.

>>32214832
Which one is that?

>>32214732
It's because people are using Mattis to start /pol/ threads.

If they kept it military or weapons related they wouldn't care.

Example: Does /k/ think he'll change US weapon policy?

Not: Her durr is he racissst?

>>32214832
Why?

>>32214825
MC Ride?
Is that you?

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>>32214699
Japan has a real qt

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>>32214699
you forgot France
>tfw french MoD

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>>32214732
those were actually very well reasoned arguments for discussion. im surprised, ive never read a thread so civil and coherent on 4chan

>>32214839
clearly the Pole u imbecile

So, how long until they need to put up a "No knifehands beyond this point" sign up in the war room?

>>32214858
Fuck off mod. Mattis would break your neck if he knew what a hot pockets eating loser you were.

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>>32214736
history always repeats itself

>>32214859
he's a retard

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>>32214924
You're gonna have to he a little more specific than that m8. While I don't deny your ideas about him, you're giving me nothing to try to convince me or even answer why you don't like him.

>The Netherlands
Small country with small defence budget. Not even trying to maintain a fighting force. Public opinion is generally against armed forces.
>Norway
No wonder, since Oslo is a liberal, enriched shithole nowadays
>Albania
Surprised me honestly
>Germany
Cuckolded country with declining defence budget. Bundeswehr is a joke where COs just get fatter every day by drinking and eating wurst all day long. No surprise.
>Italy
Surprised me. I thought Italians actually cared about their military. Being so proud and all.

>>32214962
Not the other guy but also a Pole.

To start, the fuck in question is a conspiracy theorist. He declined that the soldiers need more range time or new guns; instead he said they need more jeezus. Right now he tries to create self-defence forces; or Obrona Terytorialna. While it would be good thing, there are two issues with that: Guns and kit stay in the army warehouses, so any kind of rapid deployment is FUCKED from the start; and second - it seems that the whole thing might be under the party's orders as a political militia. I hope it wont, because the general idea is quite alright; it's the execution that's fucked. Aside from that, the guy is meddling in things he has no idea about.

>>32214699
>top row

Well, current situations proved a strong point women are not up for "defense" roles.
Maybe espionage roles like how the refuge went into a country and start bombing the shit out of their citizens, maybe they can do the same for other countries using female spies.

>>32215082
>political militia
KOD pls
>Guns and kit stay in the army warehouses
nah OT guys will be allowed to keep their guns at home

>>32215174
>KOD
Fuck those guys and the horses they rode in on. Actually, fuck only the horses. Lovingly.

All the info i saw stated that OT will not have their guns at home. It would be obliged if you could point me to an article that states otherwise?

Aside from that, Macierewicz says that Poland is "Not adult enough for guns yet"

>>32215236
>Poland is "Not adult enough for guns yet"
Hahaha, that's fucking hilarious. Sauce?

>>32215267
http://trybun.org.pl/2016/11/27/deklaracja-macierewicza-ws-dostepu-polakow-do-broni/

I think it was here. I'll look some more later.

>>32214699
Need to add the defense ministers for China and Japan.

>>32214736
>The first time you blow someone is not an insignificant event.

>>32214720
>appoint middle school teachers as ministers of defense
I think the only one from middle school are some of the posters here. All but one of the women has been in the military.

The Russian guy is a friend of Putin that he appointed governor somewhere, and literally had a private army that he used to do FEMA type stuff, but I wouldn't count that as qualified.

>>32214825
>missing
And an experienced combat officer who's had good comments from US officers he worked with in Afghanistan, and invented a fucking hood so he could keep his beard and have no trouble with a gasmask isn't qualified because...?

>>32215082
>it seems that the whole thing might be under the party's orders as a political militia

I see nothing wrong with that. I am however a fascist.

>>32216635
Fucking hell you're daft. The difference is between female defense ministers being shit and their male counterparts being good.

>>32216609
>All but one of the women has been in the military.
As what?
>The Russian guy is a friend of Putin that he appointed governor somewhere, and literally had a private army that he used to do FEMA type stuff, but I wouldn't count that as qualified.
Shoigu has done more for the russian army than any of those bitches combined.

>>32214909
You don't belong here

>>32216609
>All but one of the women has been in the military.
In what positions?
>literally had a private army that he used to do FEMA type stuff
He already sounds more qualified.

>they're scary looking guys so they have to be good
lmao

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>>32218873

>>32214858
We see you, mod. Where did the big mean cyber nazis touch you? Show us on the doll, we'll even give you a hot pocket [spoiler] for free [/spoiler]

>>32218922
it's true, the poles said theirs is a laff and the guy for Russia has less military experience than the women on top.

>>32214864
>those beautiful deep brown eyes

it's a shame she doesn't got big ol' milf titties, she looks like she would from the picture.

Whatever tho she's still a qtp2t

>>32218933
>randomly select a broad from the top
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen
>A doctor by profession
>she previously also served as the Minister of Labour and Social Affairs from 2009 to 2013
>and as the Minister of Senior Citizens, Women and Youth from 2005 to 2009
>Meanwhile, Boris Ivonivich headed his own private army

>>32218396
>>32218811
Not that guy, but you you two:
Albania
>She received a Doctorate in Economic Science at the University of Verona, Italy, in cooperation with the University of Tirana, Economic Faculty, since 2007. She has a master degree in Public Administration from the Lincoln University in Nebraska, United States, in cooperation with University of Tirana since 2000, and also graduated from the University of Tirana, Economic Faculty, in Finance since 1986.
>No service.
Netherlands
>Jeanine Antoinette Plasschaert was born in Heerlen, Netherlands. She followed her secondary education at the St. Anthony's College in Gouda and studied at the European Secretarial Academy in Utrecht.
>Career politician with no mil service
Germany
>In 1977 she became a student of economics at the University of Göttingen, soon moving to Münster and then the London School of Economics. While studying in London in 1978, she used the pseudonym "Rose Ladson", because she was seen as a potential target for West German left-wing terrorism. "Röschen" ("Rosie") has been her nickname since childhood. In 1980, she switched to studying medicine and subsequently enrolled at the Hanover Medical School, where she graduated in 1987 after seven years.
>literally a commie
>Housewife with master's in public health
>Absolutely no military service
Norway
>studied law at the University of Tromso, while at university she joined the Conservative Party and got involved in local politics. In 2000 she became a member of the Conservative Party Central Executive Committee and Chairman of the Young Conservatives of Norway.
>No mil service, but at least a pro-gun
Italy
>Born in Genoa, Pinotti holds a degree in modern literature and is a teacher of Italian in high schools. She began her political career at the end of the 1980s as a district counselor of Italian Communist Party
>teacher
>commie
>no surprise

>>32216609
You're a fucking shitposter.

>>32216609
>All but one of the women has been in the military.
It's funny because literally none of them have served a day in their respective nation's armed forces. von der Leyen is particularly amusing because when she was head of our Federal Ministry of Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth, the ministry sent out pamphlets saying it was fine for mothers to give their sons handjobs while 'massaging" them.

>>32214699
>another fucking cis white male

It's pathetic.

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>>32219020
I literally couldn't think of any non-whites other than Colin Powell I'd feel comfortable with as SecDef.

Still going to be better than this fucking clown.

>>32219014
>the ministry sent out pamphlets saying it was fine for mothers to give their sons handjobs while 'massaging" them.
kek

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>>32214699
The Polish minister of defence looks like the kind of guy who legitimately knows black magic and has no qualms about using it

>>32219014
>the ministry sent out pamphlets saying it was fine for mothers to give their sons handjobs while 'massaging" them.
I had phimosis and it's how me mum helped me with that.

Fuck off

>>32219338
>this entire post
What shota doujin did you crawl out of and how did you end up on /k/, young man?

>>32219383
I swear.

My mom massaged out my phimosis because she deeply cared about my reproductive abilities (15 years later she still does lmao "don't wear tight pants son you'll overheat")

>>32214699
Why the fuck would anyone appoint a woman as secdef!?
The bounds of useful idiocy knows no end.

>>32219269
This.

The guy gives me serious Grigori Rasputin vibes.

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>>32219435
It's just like one of my Japanese animes.

>>32214699
He's a white fuckhead that's openly racist towards muslims and other assorted brown folk, im pretty disgusted by him but you yanks did just elect a racist homophobic misogynist carrot so what do you expect

>>32219435
is your mom hot

>>32219564
>(you)

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>>32219564
(You)

>>32219564
kek shit tier bong bait

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>>32215174
>t.katokomuch
go register you pre-paid

>>32215082
this

>>32214900
>secdef Mattis absolutely smoking the fuck out of some politician in the war room

I need this

>>32216660
>i see nothing wrong with letting hillary clinton own a militia for the purpose of executing people she doesn't like

>>32219564
>you yanks
Bong detected. Don't make me throw the tea in the harbor.

>>32219435
lolwut. i had a mild case of phimosis ( i still sorta do, but i "massaged" it out myself), and my mom never jerked me off for it

im glad too

>>32214699
What are the philosophical implications of a military man in control of the military, if any? Please don't downplay it for political purposes, I'm genuinely interested. I expect it gives our military more freedom/effectiveness.

>>32219799

She already does that, anon.

>>32219853
is it a good thing?

>>32219564

Go play with your wife's son.

>>32219799
considering how many people that question or investigate her end up committing suicide via garrote wire or several shots to the back of the head she probably already has one

Ben Carson is on the cabinet now. So we have one competent person in the White House so far, which is great because we'll need a functioning military when we start WW3.

The military, like any other facet of the state, should be accountable to the people.

The minister of defence is not the leader of the military. There's usually some guy running around with the title "Supreme Commander" or similar who does that, or you have a bunch of generals and admirals sharing the burden.

The minister of defence is the person who speaks to the military on behalf of civilian society, who tells them what society wants from them, who keeps an eye on them, and who is to be the first person to hold them accountable if they do not fulfil their duty.

So while the minister of defence will hopefully have an understanding of military matters, there's no need for him or her to be a soldier, or even be suitable as a soldier (obviously depending on the reason there, severe psychosis won't be an asset in either job). It's a civilian job, which can be filled by a civilian.

The supreme commander, that's the military job. Not a fighting one though, so you don't need the biggest badass around there either, you want someone who understands strategy and how to run a large organisation during very bad times.

Of course, the jingoistic wankers take things to the usual sandbox level instead, opting for "my minister of defence could beat up your minister of defence".

>>32219879
It could also be a sign regarding the mental health of said investigators. Which I guess could be useful, since they're not always quite as obviously bonkers as the birthers, even though the overlap between the groups is likely to be near total.

>>32219914
Minister of housing? I guess the barracks will be acceptable.

>>32214699
It belongs on /pol/ and has fuck all to do with weapons

>>32219564
>bait this weak
>6 replies

Fucking hell /k/, we really are the easiest board to troll.

>>32220057
THIS

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>>32220057
>even though the overlap between the groups is likely to be near total.

You're right, it was all just crazy "birthers" committing suicide. Especially birthers like this guy.

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>>32220057
>The supreme commander, that's the military job.

In America, it's an elected office; and the elected gets to appoint the most fitting to Secretary.

>>32218803
says who, faggot?

If your country went into a full blown traditional war, who would you want from OP's pic to steer the ship?

>>32215023
In italy the minister of defense is an accountant who hasn't really any say on military affairs, apart from checking if the budget permit it.
And i guess it's the same for most countries, see >>32220057

>>32220057
>The minister of defence is not the leader of the military. There's usually some guy running around with the title "Supreme Commander" or similar who does that
That would be the President.
> or you have a bunch of generals and admirals sharing the burden.
That would be the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The Secretary of Defense exists because the President has other jobs as well.

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>>32220338
not even a question.

>>32220365
shhh, don't bother with the euro trash.

What does SecDef do? Assume I am retarded.

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>>32220057
>The minister of defence is the person who speaks to the military on behalf of civilian society

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>>32219564

>>32215023
The Italians do care about their military. That's why they always surrender to protect it

>>32220488
The position is the go between for the Prez and DoD as a whole. Only answers to the Prez, counsels him on all military and security affairs. Has complete command and admin control next to the Prez.Basically if the President is Commander, SecDef is Executive Officer, so to speak.

Most stuff still has Congress and Senate oversight, like the appointing of generals and admirals and budgets. SecDef still runs the show.

The position is so important that it ranks 6th in the line of succession

>>32220560
So how do we kill the first five?

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>>32220585
Slow your roll buds.

Congress still has to confirm Mattis, he hasn't been retired long enough.

Plus I'd like to see what Trump does.

>>32218933
>less military experience than the women on top.
>literally none of the women have any military experience
learn how to read

>>32214858
neck yourself, reddit

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>>32219564
Here you go Mohommed, be happy.

>>32214732
I guess Oppenheimer threads are bannable now?
asked in the qa thread.

>>32214699
Russia's MOD is 100% shit tier. Look him up and you'll understand.

>>32219564
>white fuckhead
>carrot
Just because you don't like Trump does not give you permission to insult his skin tone or hair color or whatever about his physical appearance.

That's actually very racist.

It also proves you are racist against white people having these physical features. You have no right to tell them they should accept your insults based on your feelings of being right when you disrespect them. That's not only racist but supremacist.

This therefore proves you're not only a racist but also a supremacist (yes, these can be mutually exclusive).

And I, as a white person, do not like you. Because you dislike people from my race/ethnics/genetic pool/ with no reasons at all other than the fact you're angry at them for existing.

If you want to be liked, try to be likeable. Right now you are despicable, just like the criminals from the racial/gendered/social backgrounds you mentionned are against whites, which is proved by crime statistics and the demonstrations of un-moderated hate these people from these backgrounds show against us white people.

tl;dr : gtfo you fucking sad excuse of a living being.

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>>32220922

10/10 you're awesome.

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>>32220922
my gosh you're such an unsufferable cuck

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>>32218970
shit, that's pretty funny anon

>>32220922
Orange isn't a white person physical feature though.

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>>32214869

>tfw your only carrier needs to be refueled again

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>>32214732
Fuck off, cunt.

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>>32220610
But I want Mattis to be president noooooow!

>>32220057
It's rare to see someone put actual time and effort into writing a post or articulating their viewpoint. Unfortunately, I don't have much to add to the conversation because I agree.

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>>32219564
(you) earned it

>>32228132
Have some fucking standards.

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>>32228143
fight me

>>32219914
>Ben Carson
>competent
Carson is the epitome of a college-educated dumbfuck.

>>32228184
What makes him incompetent?

>>32220057
The Secretary of ___ is the liaison between the President and their department.

>>32228232
First of all he has absolutely no experience in housing policy and is on record for saying that having a cabinet seat is too much responsibility.

A better question is why is he considered competent in the first place? Because he's enough of a Rain Man to get a degree in neurosurgery despite believing that evolution is a plot by the devil and LOL PYRAMIDS?

The only reason that Trump is even interested at all in a guy he compared with a child molester is because Carson is willing to kiss his ass. Same thing like what happened with Christie.

I don't know who's better, but he's the case example for the fact that a college degree, even a doctorate, doesn't mean you aren't a total retard.

>>32214699
i'd invade her nether lands

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>tfw we get a literal middle school teacher for our minister of defence
> who has never been a part of any conflict, apart from physically evicting an elderly man
How have we not been overrun and enslaved

>>32214699
Macierewicz polish Minister of Defence is a bit of a nutjob, but he's almost paranoidal fear of Russians did us some good. He wants to create local militia to support our troops in the event of an invasion, also he scrapped a deal with Frenchies for they overpriced Caracal helicopters (which was retarded from the beginning, as we are bulding Blackhawks domesticly) and generally he is forcing our goverment to get a lot of new shit (like 50 Krab artillery pieces or 6 new SAM batteries lately). As a politician, fuck he is from one of those post-commie parties which I despise most.

>>32215023
What is their NCO Corps like?

Officers are important but I believe that if a military has a great NCO Corps, they can achieve anything. The US had a great NCO Corps and the slackening of standards is beginning to show and we'll be in big trouble if this doesn't get fixed before we go to war again.

>>32229125
I would hesitate to call them SAM batteries. They're towed AA guns that have coaxial MANPADS. Some might make the argument that they're MANPADS with coaxial 23mm autocannons, but I think that's rather silly.

In any case, I think it's a good system for the cost.

>>32228298
>the case example for the fact that a college degree, even a doctorate, doesn't mean you aren't a total retard.


>Black man in the 60s and 70s
>Degree from Yale
>MD from Michigan
>Residency in neurosurgery (regarded as one of, if not the, hardest medical subspecialties to complete) from Hopkins (regarded as one of, if not the, best training programs in the country)
>Invented Pediatric neurosurgical techniques
>Best selling Author
>Widely published researcher
>Head of Pediatric neurosurgery at Hopkins
>As a fucking black man in the 60s and 70s
>Total retard
I dont give a fuck what kind of religious beliefs he has, hes one of the most influential and well respected people in medicine. The man is fucking brilliant.
None of that qualifies him for a cabinet position, but to sit and say that hes a retard because of his religious beliefs is disingenuous and you know it.

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Here's our Belgian DM.
I don't know much about him, but since looks seem to be involved, how much would you rate him?

I'd give him a 5/10 when it comes to looking the part.

>>32215023
>Small country with small defence budget. Not even trying to maintain a fighting force. Public opinion is generally against armed forces.

>when /k/ tries to talk about stuff they don't know anything about

The Dutch armed forces have one of the highest number of deployments relative to its size. The air force did the most coalition air strikes in Iraq after the US, UK and France, and is currently contributing F-16s to NATO's Baltic Air Policing. HNLMS De Ruyter is currently the flagship of SNMG2, HNLMS Tromp is the flagship of EUNAVFOR Operation Atalanta and HNLMS is active in EUNAVFOR Operation Sophia. Dutch Navy is also active in SNMCMG1, has a constant deployment in the Caribbean, and will be first European navy to join NATO BMD. Other than that, the armed forces also contributes hugely to UN's MINUSMA with Chinooks and Apaches and it's also active in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Libya, UAE, South-Sudan, etc.

Public opinion is NOT against armed forces. That's the most retarded thing I've read in a while. The people are generally proud of the armed forces here. The Dutch Navy and Air Force have huge public displays each year, and we were the first country to fly over the F-35 for an air show. During the economic collapse in 2008 the public opinion was that defense spending could be reduced, but that's natural in times of economic downfall. When they decided to ditch the fleet of Leopard 2 tanks, public outcry made them go back on that decision and brought some back. Since 2014 our defense budget has increased again, but by too little and most political parties agree that it needs to be increased by a larger margin. Most likely this is something the next cabinet has to figure out, since we will have elections in March next year.

1/2

>>32230073
Also regarding the original point of this thread: our female minister of defense is alright. Certainly a lot better than the previous (male) ones. She got the political support to increase defense spending, got the political support to participate in pretty much every mission the generals wanted to, reversed the decision to sell all our Leopard 2 tanks and our Joint Support Ship, and has invested a lot in military cooperation with Belgium and Germany.

2/2

>>32214699
America has larger bags under his eyes. He has spent more sleepless nights thinking about FREEDOM.

>>32228298
It's like magnet, every guy Trump chooses is going to have some rabid hatebase, even a nice nigger like Ben Carson.

>>32214858
fuck outta here you pussy reddit bitch.

>>32223631
>italian
>white

>>32230135
Shes not italian, she's a beaner/asian slut, idiot.

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Ours look ok
But we have a commanda

>>32230148
Google says she's romani, I guess we're both wrong.

>>32214699
we're not allowed to talk about politics in /k/

>>32217695
>Sajjan
>Good
Laughing_Leafs.gif

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>>32230169
So a Gypsy? Even worse.

>>32214792
>MY /k/

>>32218803
neither do you

>>32214699
Mattis is bro-tier.