Which would win?

>zumwalt has no AShM capability and dies

>>32206188
If you use crew requirement as a point of comparison instead of cost it's 2 Zumwalts vs 1 Burke.

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>>32206188
Even better question

>>32206188
Yeah, but how many lion marines does it take to kill the sun god Ra.

>>32206625
>muh $1 trillion 5" gun

>>32206188
zumwalt could just evade the Burke indefinitely

>>32207027
until its hull cracks or propulsion system fails

>>32206716

It's almost like there's no shortage of people in the world, but money is much more finite. Bizzare.

>>32207157
People are more expensive than you think.

Cost of training, wages, food, benefits, etc...

There's a reason the Navy has made a concentrated effort to reduce the required crew on their new ships.

>>32206716
You're right. Now why does that matter?

>>32207168
I really doubt a smaller crew would make up for the price difference within the life of the ship. I mean that is a huge price gap there. Even if you compare the crews of 4 Burkes to 1 Zumwalt crew over the course of 40 years, I'm sure Zumwalt would still prove to be the more expensive option, by a long shot.

>>32207209
Including R&D costs, of course, then most likely. The idea was sound, what killed it is being reduced to 4 ships. Like the Seawolf.

>>32207231
And $800k rounds.

>>32207252
They reduced their order for the ammo significantly, which drives up the cost per round due to R&D costs associated with a brand new fucking round for a useless gun.

>>32207252
They only cost $800k because it was reduced to 4 ships.

You spend a hundred million building a tank factory.

You anticipate an order of a thousand tanks over thirty years and estimate the price to be a million dollars per tank. You plan the business will be very profitable, the product will be solid and fairly priced, and the employees well paid.

You build the factory and get told you only need to build ten tanks.

You charge 15 million per tank and barely avoid bankruptcy and the tanks you build are garbage.

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>>32207027
>Implying Zumshit can avoid 8 MH-60Rs, numerous MQ-8s and 4 SPY arrays

>>32207549

It has a shallower draft.

It can just fuck off to somewhere the Burke's can't go.

>>32207557
The burkes can just fling missiles at it?

>>32207557
There is nowhere a Zumwalt can go that a tomahawk can't

>>32206188
does the zumwalt need to pulled by a tug?
if yes, then the zumwalt win.

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>>32206938
>Believing 155mm AGS has 72 mi effective range.

>>32207628
>>32207659

It would be like The Hunt for Red October"

The Zumwalts are supposed to look like a fishing boat on radar.

Unless the Burke's split up it would take years and years to find and the Zumwalt could defeat them in 4 separate 1v1s.

>>32207231
>The idea was sound
The idea was never sound, it was a ludicrously expensive solution to a problem that already had a conventional solution and was never a big enough problem to warrant spending of any sort, let alone that sort of spending.

>>32206625
Burkes also have no AShMs that deserve the name.

>>32208484
>have no AShMs
Tomahawk.
SM-6.

Stop being retarded.

>>32207252
800k rounds for 4 ships worth of ammo supply
80k per round for 40 ships worth

It's simply a knock on from reduced procurement of a proprietary system

>>32208865
>80k per round for 40 ships worth
Pointless mentioning this. There aren't 40 ships and there never will be.

>>32206938
>GPS guidance
>stationary targets

>>32206188
I thought the Zums were significantly more expensive than Burkes. Is this not the case?

>>32208896
4x burkes is the same price as 1x zumwalt

>>32208880
It's pointless to illustrate both the price per unit and ammo costs are both meme levels inflated because the project was canned, not from intrinsic flaws?

>>32208906
That may be what the OP intended to say, but that's not what's in the post.

>>32206188
what does the zumwalt fire?

>>32206906
The parade. The parade marchers could throw themselves into the treads and gum up all of the moving parts until the tank overheats itself

electromagnetic shot looks like what?

>>32208910
>price per unit and ammo costs are both levels inflated
Because that's how the fucking cookie crumbled champ. It's pointless to say "But if this happened! But if they got 40 ships!" Because that did not happen.

We try to talk about real things here, not retarded what ifs.

>>32208965
>bitch about program cost
>cut units
>bitch about unit cost

Wew laddy.

The iceing?

>talking about zums procrument process like its done.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/01/navys-costly--and-controversial--zumwalt-ship-may-get-second-look-by-trump.html

MAGA

>>32208977
>Shit Trump said
Oh look, another what if

You know what he also said? He wants to reactivate the Iowas and we both know for a fact that is never going to happen.

Get some actual facts to talk about champ.

>>32208965
>We try to talk about real things here, not retarded what ifs.
Think you came to the wrong board "Champ"

Zumwalt won't leave the base due to technical failure and the Arleigh Burke will destroy each others due to usual american war practice.

>>32206906
Kek

>>32208954
The joke ------->

Your head

>>32206188
>Zumzum sinks on its own because it's shit

Problem solved.