is there even a better choice for SoD?

>>32188773
Hillary. She kills people

>>32188832
/thread

>>32188832
ya but she kills people due to incompetence or to cover up incompetence / corruption. Mad Dog is the clear choice.

>>32188773
Jim Webb?

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>Not resurrecting George Patton using glorious meme magic.

>>32189012
Mattis is basically Pershing resurected, and Pershing was Patton's mentor

>>32188773
No he's a Pimp.
>>32188832
Can she kill herself?

>>32189023
I honestly think Mattis greatly exceeds Patton's abilities in anything except his force of personality. Mattis wasn't wasteful as fuck like Patton was and he is actually able to see the bigger picture.

>>32189012
Patton couldn't suck the shit out of Mattis ass if he was sharting. Fuck that dumb bitch.

>>32188773
um yes ?

anyone with experience in management or any politics or hi tier clerk work experience ?

because secretary of defense is the same shit as minister of defense everywhere else a clerk

obviously a general is far from worst choice

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>>32189023
but who is Patton?

>>32188773
A civilian

>>32189084
They're both all talk.

>>32189055
Go home, Montgomery. You're drunk.

>>32189098
>Implying I'm a Brit

I'm a fucking America BITCH. Apple pie.

Don't gotta be a cook to know the food taste bad.

Patton was a try hard bitch.

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>>32189052
I think that Mattis is going to be the better statesman that's for sure

"mad dog" looked and sounded like some wise old warrior in this interview and he goes out of his way to avoid shitting on the current civilian leadership, I almost wonder how he got his nick name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKIJKQRb53o

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>>32188889
This guy knows what's up. Also friendly reminder that "Edge Dog" Mattis is all bark and no bite http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/01/18/the-green-berets-who-saved-karzai.html

Webb for Sec Def
Huntsman for Sec State

I'm worried about his views on the situation on middle east, he's clearly againt assad and Iran interventionism in irak and syria

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>>32188773

I think he died though?

>>32189131
Never had the honor of meeting the man. He's very intelligent.

How'd he get his nickname? He knows when to go full retard as a Marine, and act normal around civilians. Knew a guy on his security detail, said he walked around looking at things holding a pistol as shit was exploding everywhere, some real combat. He walked back, shoved the pistol into his cargo pocket, then told a full Bird Colonel he better "unfuck this mess".

That's why he's known as Mad Dog.

>>32189079
>anyone with experience in management or any politics or hi tier clerk work experience ?
So basically anyone who's ever gotten past Major or worked a staff job.

>>32189188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLDLzgBdvUU

>>32189193
he's a gigantic Iran hawk and wants nothing more than to waste American blood and treasure in a pointless fight on behalf of the Gulf states

>>32189250
I don't understand how pussies like you exist. Or come here.

>>32189012
Trump is Patton's reincarnation.

>>32189260
Hey John McCain you forgot your tripcode

>>32189302
That's not an insult. John McCain was a great American.

Jesus you suck at life dude.

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>>32189302
>goes to /k/ - Weapons
>complains about war like a diaper shitting liberal pussy

>>32189313
Yeah, but not when he tries to be a shitty knock off of Kissinger.

>>32189315
What's there even to complain about when the US has a volunteer military? Did they not realise they're Uncle Sam's property after they sign up?

>>32189260
Sorry that I think there are more important things for our military to worry about than avenging Riyadh's honor

>>32189315
Okay, another kid who things war is the coolest thing...
I've been there, its not nice.

>>32189079
>because secretary of defense is the same shit as minister of defense everywhere else a clerk
You don't understand how much control the Secretary of Defense has over American military policy. Iraq 2: Hajji Boogaloo was a clusterfuck largely because Rumsfeld was such a buffoon.

>>32189029
Hopefully

>>32189328
>>32189349
Holy shit, it's on damage control.

Yep I signed my life away. 4 years. if I live to be 80 1/20th of my life. Dratz, that free college degree. And ZOMG I did marine Infantry and fucking smoked a few brownies.

Blow me bitch.

>>32189364
playing CoD doesn't count as war lad

>>32189313
>John McCain was a great American
[citation needed]
http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/06/16/senator-john-mccain-wants-destroy-govt-surplus-1911-pistols/

>>32189098
Kek..

>>32189194

Vining is alive and reviews things on Amazon. They're well written reviews too.

At least it wasn't a woman, don't want to be a laughing stock after all.

>>32189117
I think he was referring to the Mongomery-Patton rivalry.. But, you're still retarded.

It's possible to have an interest in weapons and still see Iran is a boogieman cooked up by LockMart and Qatari/Israeli funded think tanks to have America harass a regional rival

>>32189398
Of course he was stupid. That's why I replied what I did. Jesus fucking Christ idiot.

>>32189377
>Holy shit, it's on damage control.
Two different anons, mate.

>>32189392
>you will never be as progressive as Sweden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBhOzRvkERc

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>>32189390
>and reviews things on Amazon

link?

>>32189418
Well then combine yourself. And you'll both be a bunch of fucking idiots.

>>32189427

amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A33ZP2YSYXC93T/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp_enth

>>32189131
He is very impressive here.

>>32189421
I guess its not fair to imply all female Ministers of Defense are like that, like Japan's newest MoD is getting the JSDF even more funding

>>32189431
Rude.

>>32189440

Interesting how they're mostly books about EOD stuff.

>>32189377
Typical try-hard conservative, nothing but memes and insults.

>>32189453
If you a girlfriend... I'll fuck your bitch just ask.
>>32189460
No I made a very specific point if you can read. 4 years as a young man isn't everything.

>>32189012
dumb and he'll rise

>>32189454

Don't forget the maps and editing software books.

Why is my /k/ full of so many pathetic, limp dick faggots lately?

>>32189519
Because you say

>My /k/

It's not yours, and you are the cancer.

>My /k/

What the fuck idiot. Go.

>>32189539
>n-no u
faggot

>>32189519

You should read Baudrillard if you base your masculinity on a movie.

>>32189573
Sorry newfag. You literally outed yourself in 1 post.

>>32189519
I don't understand why your image of masculinity is "playing enforcer for gulf theocracies, for free"

>>32189575
>Baudrillard
lol I'm sympathetic but I don't think you're gonna convince a guy that called you a queer by telling him to read a French po-mo Marxist

>>32189575
>Baudrillard
>base your masculinity on a movie
>talking about my masculinity
Holy hell! Stop trying to suck my dick, you faggot nigger.

>>32188773
Muh dick

>>32189603
You make me want to puke. Take your deconstructed masculinity and shove it up your ass you commie piece of shit.

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>>32188773
Can this guy help get the gays and trannies out, and make sure women stay our of combat roles?

pic related the current guy, lel.

>>32189411
This board is 18+, stop browsing pls

>>32189896
I'm well over 18. You have to have the IQ of a retarded cat I've kicked in the head to post here. So please stop retard kitty.

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>>32189808

Carter is a particularly good Goy. Literally owned by the Jews (shackled to a Zionist wife) and willing to transform the armed forces into a job program and a front for social reforms and progressing gay and tranny rights.

>anyone with experience in management or any politics or hi tier clerk work experience ?
>management
>clerk work

This is why are shit's been fucked up. Managers and clerks.

>>32189315
>>32189313
>it's a defending bad policy despite not knowing what the goal is episode

>>32189194
No, his wife's a photographer and if you look, you can see some recent vacation pictures of him in some of those photos.

>>32190048
The only one bitching about policy here is you, you fucking commie nigger faggot. Stop ruining every thread with your pro-faggot bullshit.

>>32190048
I was thinking about replying..

Then this guy did >>32190084

Basically that.

>>32189201
You don't earn nicknames like "mad dog" "warrior monk" and "chaos" for no reason

>>32189313
>was a great American
>was
I'm glad we agree then.

>>32189055
Well said my grammar laden friend. You have successfully proved your opponent wrong and stating your reason quite elagantly.

But seriously go suck an aids riddled cock. You're kind are the reason /k/ is garage.

>>32190148
Shitposting will never make your daddy love you, faggot.

>>32188773
lol doesn't this retard want regime change in Iran

>>32188773

who cares if he is an iraq hawk, he'll follow orders like the dumb animal that he is

>>32190500
(You) wanted it so badly, so I'm giving it to (You).

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>>32188773

Fucking awesome. I really hope Trump stacks his cabinet with more Generals and Admirals. Our current SECDEF is a fucking joke that was hired just to be the first faggot SEFDEF and shove gender politics in the military to satisfy liberals. Next up we need to replace the secretaries of the branches. I hear Admiral Mullen is a pick for national security adviser and although I dislike Petraeus for his anti gun statements he'd be a fine pick for Secretary of State, better than Romeny or whatever SJW Hillary would have picked.

>>32189201
You didn't hear that from anyone.

You watched it on Generation Kill.

>>32190847
No Idiot. I'm still lurking.

That isn't even what goes down in Generation Kill.

I don't care if 1 random fag fuck doesn't believe me. Tongue my nigger, you anus.

People are complaining about civilian control, and it not being 7 years yet. But he'll get his waiver, so I don't see the issue.
Resolute, yet reasonable. Cerebral, yet vicious. Mattis is a beast.

>>32189250
>2016 almost 2017
>literally not praying to God for a chance to get sent to a war

>>32190922
>cerebral

if he is so cerebral, why does he say such stupid shit on a constant basis?

>>32190937
Like what...?

>>32190932
>almost 15 yrs old

>>32188773
Patton if he was alive. I mean Mattis is about as close as you can get to him.

>>32190943
>everything he ever said on iran
>deliberately ruining Iraq COIN progress
>going full clinton on russia

that's just in the last 10 years

>>32190970
>>everything he ever said on iran
>>deliberately ruining Iraq COIN progress
My apologies, Random Anonymous Internet User. I'll make sure that the former CENTCOM commander gets your number.

>>32191011
>people in positions of authority are immune to criticism and never make mistakes

argument from authority much?

>>32189286

Patton wouldn't dodge the draft though.

>>32190970
Fuck Russia tho

>>32191044

Trump wouldn't charge cavalry into an unarmed crowd.

>>32191049

use your trip hillary

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>>32191044
Stop Patton Bullshit Nigger. Say hello to this Guy. He's the boss.

>>32191034
You get out what you put in.
When you make a substantial argument beyond "Everything he says is wrong", I'll consider taking you seriously.

On the argument from authority subject: expertise matters in the real world. You have none.

>>32189454
>>32189490
Vining confirmed for backup plan against ISIS

>>32191092
Are you Jewish and the reason people here hate Jews. Because that's dumb.

>>32191080
>confusing position of authority as expertise

Iran hawkishness has been the du jour position for dumbshit hawks and insane neocons for over three decades and as such, criticism of their stupidity has been around for equally as long.

For starters, consider the reactionary origins of the current Iranian regime (past American failures explains current US butthurt), the long history and ongoing efforts of the US government deliberately attempting to instigate conflict with Iran via Sunni "allies", and various attempts at economic warfare waged by the US on any country even attempting to normalize relations with Iran

TLDR: try reading a book sometime.

>>32191169
>past American failures explains current US butthurt
And, you know, attempts to kill Americans, limit our influence, and destabilize our allies.
Whichever.
>the long history and ongoing efforts of the US government deliberately attempting to instigate conflict with Iran via Sunni "allies"
A baseless accusation, worthy of pseudo-news publications and tabloid insanity.
>and various attempts at economic warfare waged by the US on any country even attempting to normalize relations with Iran
Sanctions are accepted practice on the global stage. You don't think a government which harbors groups like al-Qaeda deserves to be sanctioned?

Maybe you need to read. Scholarship outside of Globalresearch.ca, I mean.

>>32191169
Never post any time.

>>32191237
Why do we post? Antimils hate us. Lletsjust post

My mom exists. And I had sex with a female at least once.

>>32191236
>attempts to kill Americans, limit our influence, and destabilize our allies

Try going back a few more years for a bunch of really good reasons why Iranians might want to limit US influence in the region.

>A baseless accusation, worthy of pseudo-news publications and tabloid insanity.
>what is the Iraq-Iran War
>what is the current war in Yemen with and the American funded Saudi invovlvement

>Sanctions are accepted practice on the global stage. You don't think a government which harbors groups like al-Qaeda deserves to be sanctioned?

Allegedly/according to the US government, always in the context of justifying sanctions against Iran. The US government has never been able to convince anyone else of these links, or provide any solid evidence when questioned. Probably because it would be hard to justify a Sunni/Shiite alliance, and because US intelligence has been on a failure streak decades long.

>>32191316
Why should the US let another country limit their influence in a region?

God this muh Iran WW3 is practically a meme made to be anti-Mattis.

>>32191337

Because US foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster for decades and it is time to re-define what constitutes influence for our own sake.

>>32191316
Hey dumbshit, are you trying to meme an Iran-US WW3 into happening?

Because it has less chance of happening than a Syrian-WW3.

The iranians are gonna love it when Assad keeps his power and the turks/saudi fuck off.

>>32191360
And Trump is doing that, by going back to isolationism.

>>32191366
>meme

No, just pointing out how stupid Mattis' views are on this particular issue. So much for the intellectual soldier.

>>32191383

Good. Now let's hope Mattis toes the line and doesn't say or do anything stupid.

>>32191383
He's not an isolationist.

>>32191383
No, Drumpf is going to start WWIII

Just look at today, he called the President of Taiwain

You conservatives just elected a dangerous madman into the White House

>>32191390
He's intellectual soldier because of the way he conducts his war and his view on war.

You are hampering his view on Iran like every fucking liberals, despite you liberals all want to disrupt Putin and dethrone Assad.

>>32191410
Mattis can say whatever he fucking wants, the man does a really great job at soldiering, even when the war is shit i.e. Iraq.
>>32191413
Well, he is.

>>32191390
You're just regurgitating stale anti-war prop from the Bush era.

>>32191316
>Try going back a few more years for a bunch of really good reasons why Iranians might want to limit US influence in the region.
I can understand their psychosis. That just makes them a danger moving forward.
The only thing we can do is offer a carrot in one hand. And a very, very big stick in another. His name is James Mattis.

>what is the Iraq-Iran War
Not instigated by the US. A very long time ago. And the aid provided by the US dwarfed by, say, that provided by the Russians, which the Iranians have no problem at all allying with.
>what is the current war in Yemen with and the American funded Saudi invovlvement
It's not a conflict with Iran, I'll tell you that much. Nor was it US instigated. It's a Gulf-led operation, for better or for worse.

>The US government has never been able to convince anyone else of these links, or provide any solid evidence when questioned
>The US government didn't personally hand me photographic evidence of the Supreme Leader giving money to bin Laden, so it's all a hoax!
The evidence is out there and quite voluminous. Anytime you'd like to Google, feel free.

>>32191417
>you liberals
>the world is two sided

kek

pls explain how reading his quoted statements and interviews on Iran is "hampering his view". and his intellectualism can't take him past the paper-thin logical facade put up by iran hawks.

>>32191427
He's not an isolationist, he's just non-interventionist.

>>32191351
Mattis would jack off on your face and call it a casualty of war. We just Nod and agree we voted Republican.

>>32191427
>Mattis can say whatever he fucking want

Then watch him get fired just like MacArthur.

>>32191445
Because every fucking liberals are trying to hampering only the only "bad" point of Mattis, which is his view on Iran, despite the fact Mattis will never fucking start shit?
>>32191448
OK, he's a non-interventionist, that's a bit worse but still better than interventionist.

>>32191462
Truman was a piece of shit and a wimp.

I don't see Trump firing MacArthur.

>>32191496
MacArthur was an idiot. His career is literally full of failures. He should not have even been in command after the Philippines.

>>32191383
>argue for 30 posts about American influence and people being pussies for not wanting war
>Trump is going to save us by being an isolationist

Which is it retard?

>>32191578
That's not me, you retard.

I am in favor US should ally with Iran-Iraq-Syria and fuck Israel shit up.

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>>32191444
>US government fucks up the region for multiple generations
>threaten genocide if the angry locals don't continue to accede to US government fuckery

Is this what you call a carrot? How old are you?

>Not instigated by the US

Says you. The US government cast their lot with the Iraqis completely, sold them weapons, gave them satellite imagery, gave them money through the Saudis, etc.

>that provided by the Russians, which the Iranians have no problem at all allying with.

But.. most of Iraq's equipment was from the Soviet Union. Also proof of Soviet-Iran alliance, Any photo of Khomeini with a Soviet marshall, like Rumsfeld with Saddam?

>It's not a conflict with Iran, I'll tell you that much. Nor was it US instigated. It's a Gulf-led operation, for better or for worse.

It's a proxy war. Iran supports the Houthis. The US backed their man then insisted on gulf state involvement to lend a veneer of local support.

>The evidence is out there and quite voluminous

Volume != veracity, especially when everything being said is coming from US federal judges and the treasury department.

>>32191545
His involvement in the Korean was not a failure, and his governance of Japan was not one either.

>>32191496
>Truman was a piece of shit and a wimp.
>fired the blowhard military animal and prevented WW3

Gonna go with TruMAN here.

>>32191618
>lost half the peninsula
>not a failure

The only way Trump is at all "isolationist" is that he's going to let Putin do whatever the hell he wants, Trump has still promised endless war in the middle east

>>32191474
>Rumsfeld will never fucking start shit even though he has been running his mouth about starting a war in the Middle East for years

ok

>>32191589
Why the fuck should the US ally with iran?

Their government makes westburo look moderate.

>>32191634
If he's going to make peace with Putin, then the only war in the Middle East that would be happening in the ME would be ISIS cleaning, and that would be a quick one now that US stops giving arms to the rebels.

>>32191647
Because Iran is actually stable government with a clear ideology, unlike Israel which is a fucking snake.

>>32191620
He didn't prevent shit, the Korean war was hugely unpopular with the Soviet, and the chinks at that point still has access to very few nukes.

>>32191671
Israel isn't stable with a clear ideology?

>>32191671
Iran enjoys mineing public waterways and is full fucking crazy.

Israel is also stable.

Thats a shitty fucking arguement

>>32191684
Israel uses US government and tech and then sells said tech to China/Russia.

Israel will do anything to make a buck.
>>32191699
Iran does shit to defend itself against the crazy as fuck enemy known as Israel.

>>32191682
>allowing this dumbass to cross the nuclear battlefield line wouldn't have had horrifying consequences

whewlad

>>32191618
I will concede that the landing at Inchon and the occupation of Japan were handled well, but he was not the masterful general that some try to paint him as. His blunder in the Philippines was as incompetent a move as he could have made, and the fact that he forced the navy to return to the Philippines to fix his mistake (despite the fact it would have no bearing on the outcome of the war, and thus wasted resources and lives) should have destroyed his career, it sure as hell would've destroyed almost anyone else's.

Really I just think he epitomizes every bad quality you might find in the US officers corps, he was overly stubborn, aggressive to the point that resources were wasted on strategically meaningless causes, and had an ego that prevented him from really improving. In a lot of ways he was our Montgomery, and I think its absurd to idolize that.

>>32191444
>that provided by the Russians, which the Iranians have no problem at all allying with.

During the Iran–Iraq War, it [Soviet Union] supplied Saddam Hussein with large amounts of conventional arms. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini deemed Islam principally incompatible with the communist ideals (as such atheism) of the Soviet Union, leaving the secular Saddam as an ally of Moscow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Russia_relations#Post_1979

shiiiiiet

>>32191711
Mineing the persion gulf has jack shit to do with israel.

Hell, supplying information and material to insurgents in iraq has jack shit to do with israel too.

Iran makes israel look normal. Saying the US should ally with iran is full fucking retard.

>>32191722
Montgomery was also a good general.

And so was Patton.

Egos are their problems but they know their jobs and they did it well.

No one can be as Bradley.

>>32191605
>Is this what you call a carrot?
Who made a threat of genocide? Certainly not Mattis or me.
>Says you
Onus is on you to prove the US instigated the Iran/Iraq war, and not Saddam. I'll wait.
>But.. most of Iraq's equipment was from the Soviet Union.
And the Soviets gave them more
>Also proof of Soviet-Iran alliance
Who said there was one? Not me. But they are certainly aligning today, despite the arms the Soviets gave to their arch foe. And yet it's a bigger deal the US gave them even less. Really makes you think.
>It's a proxy war
So, not, per your claim, conflict with Iran. It's a conflict with groups Iran likes. Glad we agree.
>The US backed their man then insisted on gulf state involvement
The US demanded that the Gulf invade? I don't think so. Proof please.
>especially when everything being said is coming from US federal judges and the treasury department.
US intelligence isn't segregated that way. It all goes up to the DNI. The documents in Abbottabad, where bin Laden called Iran the main logistical hub of al-Qaeda, goes around to everyone for example. Inter-agency coordination is extensive, unlike, say, in Russia, where it's heavily segmented.
Whatever credibility US intelligence has (and you can argue it's more or less), it's more than the nothing you are bringing.

Yes.
whoever Mattis would have picked when he was president.
>there will never be a President Chaos

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>>32188773
The only way to get a better SoD is to go back in time and stop Pattons death and bring him back to our time!

>>32191755
To consider Monty a good general you need to set your standards damn low, the guy who couldn't beat Rommel despite always being numerically superior and in good supply, who took credit for the relief of the US forces during the Battle of the Bulge, the architect of the disastrous operation Market Garden? A good general?

>>32191786
CTR would drill on Patton the same way they drill Mattis cuz how dares he talk shit about the USSR.

>>32191814
I'm gonna let the brits talk over me but the only Monty's blunder was Market Garden.

Other he did it fine, he's just a slow and methodical guy, Market Garden was him trying to imitate Patton.

>>32191814
This. Montgomery was a bitch boy fueled by Nepotism.

>>32189313
>Mr. John I am an Airman who has bombed the good people of North Vietnam, and they are treating me well I love Ho Chi Minh McCain

>>32189250
You're about to get grabbed by your pussy, pussy.

>>32191856
He nearly sabotaged relations between the high commands of the US and UK armies by trying to take most of the credit for repulsing the German attack. Bradley and Patton were furious and called for Eisenhower to sack him, and he nearly did.

>>32188773
>SoD
What did you just call the SECDEF, m8?

>>32191905
His rivalry with Patton was some serious shit but both are egostical.

Bradley was just trying to get the war over.

>>32191768
>Who made a threat of genocide? Certainly not Mattis or me.
Launching a war on Iran will result in massive casualties. Perhaps not genocidal levels (although nuking Iran has been a popular slogan in the neocon wing), but significant nonetheless. Of course, advocating war to bring Iran to heel after countless instigation by the US government is unquestionably ignorance of the highest order.

>Onus is on you to prove the US instigated the Iran/Iraq war, and not Saddam. I'll wait.
US did not instigate that one, but was involved heavily after Reagan took office, so it is hardly surprising Iran took offense at this. Not to mention when the US Navy shot down one of their civilian airliners.

>The US demanded that the Gulf invade? I don't think so. Proof please.
Qualifying condition of the $60 billion arms deal the US sold to the Saudis, according to some journalists. Too bad the most transparent administration in history will not confirm or deny this. That's the problem with government, asking for proof on anything is impossible.

>US intelligence isn't segregated that way. It all goes up to the DNI
So the lies and fabrication goes all the way to the top. That's good to know.

>>32188773
Gen. Petraeus?

>>32191938
You might as well be a dumb woman that gets skull fucked. No.

>>32191925
>Launching a war on Iran will result in massive casualties.
Mattis never advocated launching a war with Iran. Neither have I.
>US did not instigate that one
So you were wrong. Next.
>according to some journalists
"Some journalists"
>So the lies and fabrication goes all the way to the top.
>I'm just as trustworthy as the DNI!
Nope.

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>>32189079
found the European

fuck off and take your middle aged pacifist lady defense minister with you

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>>32191955
I dunno, Mattis was a good choice but he'd be on my second draw if he was up for it.
Mattis was an incredibly obvious choice, But he's a bit too top heavy in his handlings and he might get a bit too much than he can bite off in the Middle East.

>>32191957
>Mattis never advocated launching a war with Iran
>considers Iran the greatest threat in the world
>put him in charge of the US military

let's see what happens

>So you were wrong

Instigate is incorrect, heavily involved is correct. The claim of American meddling remains intact. Why shouldn't Iran be offended by this blatant US attempt to influence the region?

And you were dead wrong when you said the Soviets were allied with Iran during that war.

>"Some journalists"
>"Some US intelligence official and federal judge"

>I'm just as trustworthy as the DNI!

With their track record, even infowars is not trustworthy than the US intelligence establishment.

>>32191925
>Launching a war on Iran will result in massive casualties.

Gee, i remeber hearing this around 1990.

>b...but it will be different this time

Oh yes, the arab will surely suprise us this time.

>REEEEEEEEEEEEE I-...THEY ARE """"""""""PERSIAN""""""""

Iranian spotted. Go put more quickcrete on your IFV's.

>>32192020

massive casualties for the Iranians, not the Americans, you doofus

>>32191968
Valls is right though. Short of inventing Minority Report shit or creating a perfect society in which everyone is happy you're never going to be able to stop 100% of terrorists, and we can't let such attacks grind things to a halt.

>>32192030
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that poster is not concerned about Iranian deaths and might not even consider them human.

>>32192030
>massive casualties for the Iranians

Because the US killed every iraqi regular they came across.

Wew.

>>32192054
>the iraq war hasn't had many casualties

How retarded are you?

>>32192054
>iranians would surrender or desert wholesale like the iraqis

how'd you figure?

>>32192054
Casualty includes injured and captured

>>32192050
>/k/ is full of children and edgelords

Shocking

>>32192065
>t....they are crazy! They will never surrender!

>>arabs not surrendering.

>>32192007
>And you were dead wrong when you said the Soviets were allied with Iran during that war.
I said no such thing.

>And the aid provided by the US dwarfed by, say, that provided by the Russians, which the Iranians have no problem at all allying with.
The Russians indeed provided significantly more aid to Saddam. And the Iranians indeed have no issue allying with them. For some countries, past infractions are water under the bridge.

>"Some journalists"
>"Some US intelligence official and federal judge"
>With their track record, even infowars is not trustworthy than the US intelligence establishment.
That's a pretty dumb statement, and indicative of a worldview that began with Bush.
I recommend you take a longer view of American history. Or don't. Trump's appointments don't hinge on your worldview.

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>>32192064
Every murder that occurs between Iraqis was wrapped into those statistics.

Baghdad was not a nice place before the invasion, it was a Baltimore-with-sand. Same with Raqqa. Same with Aleppo.

>>32192081
>I said no such thing.

was this you >>32191444
>that provided by the Russians, which the Iranians have no problem at all allying with.

>And the Iranians indeed have no issue allying with them
Only after the war, which is irrelevant in this context.

>I recommend you take a longer view of American history
Intelligence failure is a longstanding American tradition. The CIA has had innumerable fuckups and successes that can be counted on one hand. Read the book "Legacy of Ashes" for the sorry details.

>>32192078
>Iranian
>arab

are you even trying

>>32192124
See
>>32192020

The """"persian"""" 2016 is arab.

>>32190500
>implying he won't just tell the Donald to fuck off

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>>32188773

Already was one.

>>32189188
>>32191604
I find it hard to believe this guy is a Democrat.

He also ran for Senate and served only one term, declining to run for re-election. That's pretty rare.

>>32192129
Except culturally they are more persian than arab. And for a lot of them the rivalry with the US is more about patriotism and how you've been fucking with their country for about 50 years or so, since the Shah was put in power.

t. someone who's known actual Iranians, one "persian" and one kurd

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>>32192320
Just Chesty Puller My Shit.

>>32192415
Except militarily they are full arab.

>hurr fucking with their country

Oh im sorry, did they own the persian gulf?

>>32192493
Fuck man. I'm drunk and you messed up hard. Lol.

>>32192512
Do i have to start posting pics and vids of their "exercises"?

Only iranians think they are anything other than sandniggers. Its hilarious.

>>32189095
spotted CTR

>>32192534
No......... ..... . ......

This is what I'm saying. You're fucking up.

>>32192419

Ofc Marines prefer memes over reals.

George Marshall was on heck of a badass, and he also had the authority to rein in the largest egos when push came to shove.

>>32189029
If she does, we will forever have to wonder what exactly Hillary Clinton knew about Hillary Clinton...

>>32192493
Technically they own a certain amount of water out from their coast, and could mine that without a problem as there's still an international corridor in the gulf.

Considering that every other week some politician or general grumbles about how Iran needs to be destroyed, it's hardly surprising they might do that, it's not like there's a minefield on the Korean border because we want to keep people from picking the flowers. It's a passive defense against someone who's constantly threatening attack and invasion against South Korea.

>Except militarily they are full arab
True they suffer all the same problems as their neighbors, when it comes to how their military conducts itself. But that doesn't really make their country itself an arab one. I think that the arabs might have even copied their military style from the Persians as well, when they conquered them. They actually copied a lot of stuff (like that Jizya tax, that was a Zoroastrian thing before a muslim thing).

>>32192582
Patton couldn't suck his own shrink dick.

OFP Marines. We are on our Own Fucking Program. So shut your butt bitch. Dad's here.

>>32191169

Ironically, Mattis has read more books than just about any one of us.

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If you are pro Mad Dog and don't know about ODA 574, I feel bad for you son.

>>32193024
>ODA 574
>error due to AIr Force incompetence

Chris, /k/ was right. Airfags are a joke

>>32192948

speak for yourself

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>>32192320
>those shit foreign ribbons

>>32192045
>Casually accepting the organized slaughter of your fellow men, women, and children

Stop normalizing mass terrorism.

>>32192605

George Marshall, not George Patton.

One is badass, the other is blowhard.

>>32189131
Wow, what a guy. Great interview, definitely worth the watch.

>>32189084
who the fuck put those stars on his pot...wtf

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>is there even a better choice for SoD?
No, irl Sgt D will do just fine.

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>>32188832

>>32189012
Oh but haven't you heard Patton is reincarnated through Trump. if this post ends in 7

>>32189131
>Basically answers the first question with "War...War never changes"

I love this guy.

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yep

>>32192089
Baltimore has homicides numbered in the hundreds each year. The Iraqi death toll is in the hundreds of thousands.

>>32190827
underrated image

>>32189381
No, there's nades and everything

>>32191722
Inchon should have failed.

The Soviet advisers all told Great Leader that he was going to land at Inchon, because he was the type that wouldn't countenance anything less.

Great Leader decided that no US general could be that foolish, and decided to ignore the advice.

>>32188832
audibly kek'd

>>32191856
Falaise?

I joined the Navy b/c I've always wanted to be a naval aviator. Having the opportunity to drop bombs on foreigners would just make my 8 years of required service even better

>>32190970
this, I don't care about his meme chaos bullshit. The dude is hardnosed as fuck and has learned nothing about foreign policy and American war during his entire life

should have been Petraeus

can't believe how fucked over that guy got

>>32188832
I was gonna read this thread for a giggle, but this thread ended way up here. Nice try posting after this, ya'll lost.

>>32195210
>learned nothing about foreign policy and American war during his entire life
>I arrived early, as a captain does when reporting to a colonel, and waited in his anteroom. There, I convinced myself what this would be: a quick handshake, a stern few sentences on what I was to do while there, and then a slap on the back with a “Go get ‘em, Tiger!” as he turned to the next task at hand. This was a busy guy. Five minutes, tops.

>Colonel Mattis called for me. He stood to greet me, and offered to get coffee for me. He put a hand on my shoulder; gave me, over my protestations, his own seat behind his desk; and pulled up a chair to the side. He actually took his phone off the hook—something I had thought was just a figure of speech—closed his office door, and spent more than an hour knee-to-knee with me.

>Mattis laid out his warfighting philosophy, vision, goals, and expectations. He told me how he saw us fighting and where, and how he was getting us ready to do just that. He laid out history, culture, religion, and politics, and he saw very clearly not only where we would fight, but how Seventh Marines, a desert battalion, fit into that fight.

>Many years later, when Seventh Marines got into that fight, he was proven precisely right. It would not be the last time.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/02/served-james-mattis-heres-learned/

Millennial snowflake who thinks his prejudices are received wisdom detected.

>>32195253
let me backpedal (which means I lost, I know) and say that the man is better fit to command an army to victory than probably any other to live in the last one hundred years

but America has no business going to war with Iran like this dude wants to. We had no business arming Syrian Rebels simply to oppose Iran, like he does support. We do have a responsibility to slow down the tide of ISIS and stop pretending like another regime change or two will fix our problems, like Mattis thinks should still be our next move

America needs to stop using military force to enact the will of corporate sponsers even if the result would be a monetary benefit to the citizens of America. It's not even an ethical case; it's just practically unsustainable. You cannot control the people of the middle east like the West has been pretending they can for the last century

>>32195290
>corporate sponsers
>cannot control the people of the middle east like the West has been pretending they can for the last century
Your entire premise is false.

>>32194383
this

>>32193024
>blaming Mattis for an AF fuck up

ok anon

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What Mattis says:
>Never enter into a war without clear, rock-solid political objectives or you will get stuck in an endless war.

What liberals and retards think he says:
>TIME TO BOMB IRAN LOL XD HAHA EBIN

Our country deserves to fall if this is how you apes act.

>>32190886
yea i dont believe you either guy

>>32195382
Ok let's dive into the Middle East one;

>what is Europeans involvement of Arab nations as allies and the propaganda spread to them in WW1?
>what is the Sykes-Picost agreement?
>what is the state of Israel?
>what is the coup of Mossadegh in Iran?
>what is the War on Terror?
>what is the Iraq War?
>what is the coup of Ghaddafi in Libya?
>what is arming Syrian rebels?

>>32189451
>Japan's newest MoD

Kind of qt

>>32189250
Are you saying we shouldn't destroy Iran just because they hate us? I think that's a perfectly valid reason. It can be Iraq 2.0, I don't care if it ends up in chaos afterwards as long as we depose that shitty regime that's out to kill us and our kike friends.

>>32195421
>what is the state of Israel?
The only functional country in the region.

>what is the War on Terror?
It was called they murdered two buildings full of our people so we wrecked two of their countries.

You're either an ethnocentric Persian living in LA or you're a stereotypical collegefag with his head full of revisionist leftwing horseshit. Which is it?

>>32193247
Quit sticking your head in the sand

>>32195837
>a saudi blew up two of our buildings so we killed a bunch of unrelated people and created new breeding grounds for terrorists

Has Phil ever made a post even approaching sane?

>>32195879
He's like a broken clock, every so often he says something completely sane and sensible.

Honestly I won't even be mad if he turns out to be the greatest troll in /k/ history.

>>32195937
I'm not sure if keeping this up for multiple years as a joke would make him any saner.

Either way, he's impressively dedicated to his art.

Are the /pol/ shitposters even from /pol/? They're practically incoherent and they rely entirely on lazy insults and blatant lies. Is this what it's like to post on the internet in Russia? Are these american vatniks?

>>32189440
>all flight be star reviews

>jihad John was a great guy
>he operated professionally and with precision
>5/5 would kill again

>>32195104

>he's bad because he did thing that nobody thought possible

???

>>32195823
This.

Bonus points because their leaders are islamic nutters

Fuck Iran

>>32195823
>we

how can you destroy Iran when mom grounded you for a month for being an edgy shitbag?

>>32188773
is every one in a position of power in the us is over 70 years old ?

>>32196321
Reevaluate your life choices. Custom that's a retarded post.

>>32195420
Oh. Well doesn't matter. Cuz you're gay and didn't contribute shit. So who cares what you think?

>>32192045
>there's no way to stop all these terrorism attacks aside from magic so keep importing """doctors and engineers""" by the boatload, goy

People like you deserve to be the first ones creamed against the pavement when those truck drivers of peace get a leadfoot.

>>32196282
>kill people who want to kill you
>edgy

Well then i guess im just a TWISTED PSYCHOPATH.

>>32196520
>who want to kill you

That is where you fucked up.

>TWISTED PSYCHOPATH

More likely an angst-ridden teenager, given the nature of this board. You'll probably grow out of this phase. Probably.

>>32196548
>That is where you fucked up.

Being as how iran gave materials and training (specially the Quds force) to various insurgents in iraq, i would say i didnt fuck up at all.

>>32195823
>Are you saying we shouldn't destroy Iran just because they hate us?

Iran is currently fighting a cold war through proxys against Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
Saudi Arabia hates you and funded/armed both Al qaeda and ISIS.
Turkey also hates you and secretly trades oil for funds and arms with ISIS.
All Arab nations hate Israel and actively fund terrorism against them.

You have no friends in the middle east, only enemies with varying degrees of interest and ability to harm you. Destroying Iran would allow your powerful enemies to consolidate their gains and give them limitless recruits to throw at you.

READ
A
FUCKING
BOOK
CUNT

>>32196520
>>32196548

I'm gonna step in and ref this.

Nothing wrong with standing your ground against an aggressor. Iran isn't capable, therefore who cares.

To other guy, killing people happens and sometimes it should. He was wrong, but you sorta went vagina on him.

Former Infantryman out.

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>>32196575
You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole.

>>32196575
Being that they armed insurgents purely for politcal gain, i could give a fuck about iran.

>>32196655
I guess I just don't think that way. We shouldn't be pussies or back down. But I've been to war. Its fun. I wouldn't want it my entire lifetime. Shit it's a young man's game, I just turned 30. Where's the beer and pussy department? You young men can take over.

>>32189023
I just realized two of our greatest generals were named after tanks

>>32196708
Are you actually retarded or is this just poor bait?

>>32196708
>>32196723
No one can be this stupid. I'm drunk at 3fucking AM. And if I thought this was real I'd go full head in oven.

>>32196655
>Being that they armed insurgents purely for politcal gain, i could give a fuck about iran.

Every middle eastern country arms insurgents for purely political gain.

And hey, remember that time that the CIA armed radical Islamic insurgents because they were mad that the Shah of Iran wouldn't give them good oil prices and then those same insurgents deposed the Shah and turned on America, held a bunch of American diplomats hostage and created the very regime that America is now fighting against?
And remember that time the US got mad at iran and syria for siding with russia and armed radical islamic insurgents who then turned around and started attacking American allies and instigated the most prolific Islamic terrorist moment ever?

Glass houses buddy.

>>32189372
I can't believe no one else is agreeing with you.

Well, take my (you)

>>32189440
>amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A33ZP2YSYXC93T/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp_enth

Would you buy Mike's autobiography if he wrote one.

>>32196734
>b...but everyone does it

Ok?

>glass houses

Wut? I was not complaining, i was responding to the guy that said iran didnt wish US death.

They want america dead, im just fine wanting them dead. I say we be their huckleberry.

Why are leftists and liberals memeing WW3 with China and Iran all of a sudden?

>>32196803
>its a meme to kill those that wish you death

Wew.

>>32196803
Because they're paid by China and Iran. Directly or otherwise.

>>32196813
China benefits from the USA, and Iran also benefits from the USA, they present as foreign enemies to keep the populace in line.

>>32196819
Except with iran they took direct action against the US, so its not just rhetoric.

>a guy who lost men due to a countrys actions is upset at said country.

We got some real sherlocks trying to uncover why he is so anti iran.

>>32196824
to protect themselves.

Israel and Saudi Arabia fucks the whole ME up, and the US protects them.

>>32196845
>to protect themselves.

Do you really need me to explain how fucking retarded this line of logic is??

>>32196574
>9
he's right you know.jpg

>>32196814
>Phil against war with Iran
The possibility of Phil being a troll just went up to 2% everyone!

Anyone else want to get it on the pool before it's too late? kek

>>32196803
They are powerless and feel like they aren't responsible for the situation any longer. Without a need to rationalize the situation, they are resorting to fear mongering, as that is the most persuasive strategy. I feel like they are pretending Bush is president and/or the SoD gets to decide if we go to war or not. It doesn't really have to make sense. Trump could continue Obama's strategy to the letter and the anti-war left would still flood the streets.

>>32196887
I am not left at all, but isolationist's bought some memes that were never going to happen, and that has been already walked back (leaving NATO).

MAGA is not cucking america to lesser nations. We have been doing that for 8 years. MAGA is the clear understanding of american exceptionalism, and how america should start acting like it.

>>32196922
>MAGA is the clear understanding of american exceptionalism
No. The same things that have made other nations fall are in full effect here. I agree we should not take a defensive posture though, as long as it is serving America first. Trump seems capable of surrounding himself with good men, which is one of the most important things to a presidency. Gen. Mattis is going to unfuck our military and stop treating it as a platform for social experimentation.

>>32190922

I'm a civvie and am hoping to go state department if I pass the FSOT (passed the test part last year, not the personal narratives) but I can't stand people shitting on Mattis or on putting a military official in charge of Sec of Defense. Last I remember it was the civvie whizz-kid Macnamara and Rumsfeld who helped give us two of our great colossal fuckups. To Macnamara's credit he was one of the blockaide rather than bomb for Cuba. Things have changed from 1960, it's no longer the military who are bellicose warmongering LeMay. It was the civilian Rumsfeld who was the one that disregarded the advice of military officials as dodding old and cold warriors against his ideas-guy-lean-mean-21st-century-fighting-machine. It was Hillary and Samantha Powers and non-combat-tested Robert Gates who were the proponents of Libyan intervention during Obama's first term.

>>32191169

Iran is not a good boy who dindu nutthin. It is not a manichaean devil, but it is a state with interests ultimately hostile to ours who have engaged in low-intensity boil threatening us in the gulf in the 80s until we shut them down firmly. Not by engaging in total war but making sure they knew they could not fuck with us or our allies or the oil shipments. Then there's support of Hezbollah and the Khobar Towers bombing among others. Naturally we've done tit-for-tat with them but we need to be cautious in dealing with them. Much like Russia we have naturally shared interests but also mutually exclusive interests. Hopefully Mattis will be for maintaining a strong edge against Iran without falling into the trap of manichaean regime change.

It is a tragedy that ultimately we would have been better off betting on the Iranian horse than the Saudi but as much as I hate rumsfeld I'll paraphrase him that you deal with the geopolitical world you have, not the geopolitical world you want.

What >>32196574 says.

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>>32189440
damn, those are really good

>The only one glaring error the author has made is the same error that other authors have made in regards to the size of the explosion at the Marine Battalion Landing Team Headquarters in Beirut, Lebanon on 23 October 1983.

>No one gives the explosive yield of the explosion, just same exaggerated claim, “The bomb that took out the Marine Battalion Landing Team Headquarters in Beirut was the largest non-nuclear explosion in the history of warfare.”

>This is not close to being a truthful or accurate statement as there are so many more examples of larger explosions then this. For example during World War I, n the morning of 1 July 1916, a series of 19 mines of varying sizes was blown to start the Battle of the Somme. The explosions constituted what was then the loudest human-made sound in history (at that time), and could be heard in London.

>The largest single charge was the Lochnagar mine south of La Boisselle with 60,000 pounds of ammonal explosive. The mine created a crater 300 feet (90 meters) across and 90 feet (30 meters) deep, with a lip 15 feet (5 meters) high. The crater is known as Lochnagar Crater after the trench from where the main tunnel was started, and this was just World War I.

>>32189315
Hating war and hating wars that are strategically bankrupt are two different things.
>ejecting Saddam from Kuwait
Good
>handing Libya over to islamists
Bad

>>32196971
>No. The same things that have made other nations fall are in full effect here.

Yes. Rejecting the reality of american superiority is not MAGA. Pretending other nations are equal is not MAGA.

>>32196997
>Yes. Rejecting the reality of american superiority is not MAGA. Pretending other nations are equal is not MAGA.
But that's not what exceptionalism means. Exceptionalism means we are not governed by the same laws as other nations throughout history. It is wishful thinking that preys on your sense of patriotism. It has been used most recently to ease the pain of demographic transformation and the resulting cultural heterogeneity.

>>32197042
>Exceptionalism means we are not governed by the same laws as other nations throughout history.

Well, i see we are resorting to asspulls...

American exceptionalism classically means that america is inherenty unique(geographically, demographically, govermentally), with no inherent superiority.

Now, i take the neoconservative post cold war view that due to being the worlds sole superpower, it is now (but not inheritly, though merit) objectively superior. I view it as objective fact due to a combination of its nuclear and conventional military power, economic clout, and cultural spread.

It has nothing to do with laws or moral standard.

>>32197101
>neoconservative
Okay then, opinion discarded.

>>32197139
>dude you agree with ONE thing, this means you agree with EVERYTHING of a certain group.

Sweet demagoguing.

Its almost like you have zero arguement.

>>32197139
Classic strawman.

>>32189194
Does he know how much we praise him? Has he ever been told about his k-fanbase

>>32189260
>Letting American kids die when we can just nuke the sand niggers.

>>32197614
That is a big fucking leap Son. Not even anything what I said.

>>32197101
>inherenty unique
That's nonsense, except in the sense that all nations are unique. We have favorable geography, vast resources, enormous capital, and our people are of decent stock. Our government, however, is an unmitigated disaster, as the conditions necessary for its maintenance have all but disappeared, and inevitably so. It was all a mistake. Our rulers' time preferences are too high to be predictable or sustainable, and no one is truly accountable for anything. I don't think you can even call America a nation. It is a shopping mall, a multi-ethnic empire, a tool for the ambitious chasers of success, where success is measured in mass and speed. Our culture reaches new limits of hedonism and soulless consumerism every day, without a whit paid towards our responsibility to our posterity. My sons will be minorities in their own country. Such suicidal tendencies are unmatched in history. We are at the end of a long series of revolutions that started with religion hundreds of years ago, continuing on through governments, the economy, and now finally ending with complete social degeneracy. Conservatives never stood a chance. In today's world, being a victim is an advantage, being a rebel means fighting on the front lines for the establishment, and loading up on Chinese crap with your credit card is the epitome of freedom. Everything has become political and no one trusts anyone--all you get is a "fuck you." It's a disaster.

>>32197616
It's gonna happen sooner or later. Either one of them is going to do it or we will.

Hell, Russia might even drop one if the hajis piss them off enough.

>>32198165
You responded like a fucking idiot. OK let's smoke crack together.

>>32198181
I wanna smoke some Jeb. You holding?

>>32189194
He still contributes to graves.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=47149647

>>32192045
powerful, delicious bait

>>32189421
What the fuck?

>>32197953
>bloo bloo bloo our gubberment is terrible.

Well you know what they say, get goin or get dyin.

>>32189998
management guy here, I agree.

Business and running a country's military are similar, but not quite the same.

I'd rather have a military guy running the military wing than Ashton "Got 3 Degrees" Carter

>>32196567
>invade Iraq with fabricated casus belli
>surprised when Iran acts to protect Iraqi Shiites
>get pissy when the invading soldiers face resistance

>>32196858

Yes, please make a fool of yourself.

>>32189808
This fuckin' guy.
Man, I hope that the whole gays, trannies, and snowflakes shit gets rolled back.
Either this guy was fucking high when making these decisions, he was a puppet of forces trying to destroy the US military, or is a personal crusader for the alternative lifestyle set that hates the military.

TL:DR; fuck that guy.

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>>32201802
>mfw nothing changes
>mfw this board continues to splerge out over pics of gay military couples

>>32200910
Not him but attacking the worlds superpower to protect yourself from regional threats is pretty stupid.

>>32201915
>attacking the worlds superpower

They didn't attack the US, they lent support to the Shiite resistance against the criminal actions of the world's superpower so that when the US jump ship (a la Vietnam), Iraq will not be run by another Sunni puppet.

>>32197042
>>32197101
>Trump supporter arguing with a neocon
Shit, I should have brought popcorn for this.

>>32189808
Is he wearing an Hermes tie? He is sporting a nice, neat, low risk knot. - What does that say about him?

>>32195937
>>32195987

He does have a better sense of humor than most here, so there's that.

>>32189250
You're getting a bunch of angry responses, but here's a serious one. Mattis knows his shit, and said specifically that in war, we need clear political objectives. If you set him off, he'll fuck shit up, but he's not going to throw away the lives of his men.

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>>32193024
rest in peace home skillet

>>32201937
Quds force operated thoughout iraq.

They directly attacked US forces though IED strikes.

>>32200864
Who says i was pissy? See >>32196800

>>32193024
>Trying to blame Mattis for not walking into a potential Ambush after being given zero Intel

>>32205977

Even Bush said Quds force only supplied IED's and did not participate in attacks. There is zero proof of what you say, unless you believe in "unnamed defense officials" feeding bullshit to pliant journalists.

>>32206832
>Quds force only supplied IED's
oh ok then

>>32207057

point being? the US government orders its military to invade Iraq based on bullshit justifications but has the chutzpah to criticize Iran for helping their Shiite brethren in the aftermath of that criminal invasion?

by parity of logic the US was directly attacking Soviets in Afghanistan by giving AA missiles to the locals.

>>32206832
Quds was in country, physically makeing bombs. Thats participanting.

>>32207133
We didnt invade iran.

If they want to help their friends, so be it. Dont be suprised if you get on the US shitlist.

>by parity of logic the US was directly attacking Soviets in Afghanistan by giving AA missiles to the locals.

Yes. The soveits did it to the US in veitnam. Did you miss the cold war?

>>32189084
Don't even compare Patton to that pile of shit draft dodging bastard trump.
Patton saved the lives of 3 drowning boys if I remember correctly when he was sailing his small boat.

The man had morals and a plan. don't compare patton to trump man... they aren't even playing the same fucking game.

>>32207179
>The soveits did it to the US in veitnam. Did you miss the cold war?

US involvement in the Soviet-Afghan war or Soviet involvement in Vietnam is the exact same thing Iran did in Iraq post-invasion and nobody accused the US or the USSR of actively participating in attacks in those two conflicts.

Why are you applying a different standard to Iran?

>We didnt invade iran.

Strawman much? Again, an issue of double standards: the US government engages in criminal wars of aggression and therefore has no grounds to complain about Iranian covert activities in the very country they invaded illegally.

>Dont be suprised if you get on the US shitlist.

Pretty sure Iran was already on that list for some time, for the outrage of resisting US meddling in the region.

>>32207312
Patton was a heavy drinker and senile after WW2 ended. Hardly a man of character overall, he is not missed nor is he needed.

>>32207361
>Why are you applying a different standard to Iran?

Im not. USSR was directly responsible for US deaths in veitnam, and was an active participant. They have people in country, supplying and aiding the enemy. The same for US in to the USSR in Afghanistan.

The metric stays the same.

>muh double standard

So in essence, iran wish death to america, but america cant wish death to iran?

Double standard indeed.

>>32193037
>>32195386
Not the guy you're responding to, but i'm curious as to how this was a AF mess up. I looked it up and nothing really says anything about the AF fucking up.

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> Ctrl+f
> don't see "the ghost of Chesty Puller"
I'm disappointed /k/