Milsurp thread

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>>32179628
Took these this morning.

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It's crazy how sweet shooting these are

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>>32178880
my yugo sks

Just ordered on of those $200 maks from sportsmans guide. I head they're pretty rough but my friend ordered two and they're both in decent shape, just looks like a lot of holster wear. If nothing else I'll do a sloppy spot reblue, I just want something cheap to keep in my car

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>>32179946
>Refinish milsurp
Please don't.

>>32180109
It's a $200 mak, fuck off. Why do you give a shit what I do with a gun that's ten minutes of hard wear and tear away from being near worthless?

>>32180168
Then get a fucking HI Point instead if all you want is a cheap blaster bubba.

>>32180184
>Abloobloo somebody is doing something I don't like to a gun with no historical value

Grow up you child

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Here's a less common yugo m59. Serial is 64xxx

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>>32180218
And this children is why a non-butchered Krag costs so much. No appreciation for history.

>>32180260
>Refinishing a super cheap beat to shit gun
>Cutting up a several hundred dollar rifle
I find it pretty interesting you have no ability to discern value and base your actions on it

>>32180260
>Literally never used in any war ever
>Sat in an armory for decades until sold for fucking pennies on the dollar to some import company
>MUH HISTORY

Get fucked retard, Jesus Christ. You'd think he was cutting up a Johnson

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>>32180275
Ever stop to think that they're so expensive is because bubbas like you though "well shit, this is cheaper than sticking my dick in my sister-aunt, ain't nobody gonna care what I do to it".

No, you didn't think of that. You only think "well it's cheap now, so it'll be cheap forever" and then complain when Mosins are $500.

>>32180323
It will never fucking be rare you idiot. They were too widely produced to lose any kind of value from refinishing. Jesus christ you are retarded. How does "I may refinish it if it's in too rough of a condition" transfer into cutting up krags and ruining surplus forever? No wonder nobody takes trips seriously when the retarded shit you say is easily traceable to you

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>>32180347
Whatever you say bubba.

>>32180361
Thanks for admitting you lost an argument, most of you are too retarded to even do that

>>32180260
You do realize if there's too much wear on his pistol then it could rust and have no value at all right? FFS just stop

>>32180288
>Spanish-American War

>>32180347
>It will never fucking be rare you idiot.

People said the exact same thing about German Mausers in the 1950's. There were in endless supply in old whiskey barrels in hardware stores for $15 each.

Now you can't touch an unmolested (read: not bubba'd, not russian capture, not yugo capture, not Israeli rework) example, even a super common make and year, for less than like $800. Rare variants go for a nice used car.

>>32180381
Not him, but you are exhibiting a fit of autistic rage. For your own health we encourage you to sign off your account and attempt to think about why you got so fired up... Maks may someday be worth something,

it is a shame that you won't just buy a more modern beater gun for your car, but do what you must... Just don't look for approval here or think we won't shit on your stupid ideas

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>>32180288
>never used in any war ever

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>>32180347
>How does "I may refinish it if it's in too rough of a condition" transfer into cutting up krags and ruining surplus forever?
What he is saying is that the same argument was said about Krags, Enfields, Mausers, Springfields, Mosins etc. Just because millions were made doesn't mean millions are left in original condition.

>>32180385
That's not how rust works. Not having a finish doesn't mean it will rust. Bluing wasn't used on guns until the mid 19th century and even afterwards it was very common to not blue bolts and sometimes receivers. Pic related. American Krags had unblued receivers (though they were case hardened, but that wears off quickly).

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Anyone have any experience shooting heavy bullets (180gr+) out of a Mas? I stick to 145s and 150s most of the time.

>>32180218
people like you are the reason Mausers, Enfields, and even Mosins are so expensive in a non "sporter" state

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It's been bubba'd.... sorry not sorry.

>>32180560
fun to shoot, but not for very long

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>>32180560
I really need to buy one that I would shoot... I so regret selling my refurb.

>>32180622
I need to get a refurb myself, mostly just to have.

>>32180572
>refinishing a gun that will otherwise rust away
Wow i must be literally hitler

>>32179946
That's why I'm considering the P83 instead of the Mak. The Mak is more rare and it's a better deal, compared to the average price of $350~.

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>>32180109
I refinished my SKS and 1938 Tula Mosin with Linseed oil.
Stay mad, fag, for I have sexy guns now

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1940 Lithgow MKIII. Traded an M48 for it

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I just bought a standard grade Finnish M39 (Sako mfg) off of Classic. How fucked am I?

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>>32181914
It'll probably have about 60% bluing and a fair-good stock, at this point they have to be at the bottom of the barrel

>>32181945
As long as it isn't a piece of shit, I think I'll be fine. I'm just afraid I'm going to get a counterbored rustbucket that's pitted to hell.

How do you like yours, by the way? This is my first Mosin (not my first 'surp though), so I'm not really sure what to expect.

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>>32180560
>>32180675
what state are you in? was just talking to a guy in MI who has a refurb and is asking 350. theres always gunbroker. seen a few refurbs come and go over the last few weeks

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>>32181963
its one of my favorite milsurps, partly because i shoot it all of the time, partly bc of all the weird variations among the M39's despite them making not that many when compared to other WWII milsurps

>>32182007
Good to hear. God I hope this turns out OK. I hate buying sight-unseen...

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>>32182035
if it comes with missing hardware or a cracked stock or anything real fucky ask them to replace it, people have gotten bad ones and had them exchanged. you could also check around armslist or your state specific gun boards to see if there are any locally

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>>32181971
Finding one isn't the problem, it's just a low priority compared to other things on my list. Hell I don't even have a German Mauser, even though I don't like them.

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Good old standby milsurp pic

>>32182233
I still dont have a garand, which is inexcusable. i submitted my paperwork to CMP today. i have a mas on the way

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>>32182351
And my new Mosin

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>tfw snow is a month behind

>>32182371
That was a good deal.

>>32181608
Was it worth it? How do you like it?

So what's the best way to maintain your milsurp and keep it looking clean and fresh? I just picked up a 91/30 as my first hasguns, but I really don't know much about maintenance besides a standard cleaning after shooting. How can I make it look like >>32182061 or >>32181971? It's looking pretty rough with rust covering the bolt and a bit of the magwell and I'd like to get it looking nice.

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>>32182370
I should probably get a proper stock for my Garand. My dad bought me a mix master with a aftermarket (though absolutely gorgeous) stock as a gift for graduating boot camp. But now my autism is making me need to have it in a proper configuration.
>>32182371
Very nice.

>>32182475
fine steel wool (#0000), and oil, and get scrubbing.

>>32182475
If you shoot corrosive ammo, hot water down the barrel followed by regular cleaning. Ballistol is good for making the wood look nice but isn't a requirement. In fact, nothing is for the most part. Just don't let it rot in a garage or attic for 20 years.

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Who here can red pill me in nip rifles?
Ive suddenly developed a boner over the type38.

>>32182475
ballistol and water for cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo, ballistol on the wood to protect it. some people put a coat of BLO on stocks once a year or so while others think thats absolutely haram. the two rifles you pointed out, the enfield was unissued, the M39 i got in an immediate post-war, unissued stock so they look super minty because of that.

>>32182549
I'm probably only going to go after a service grade which means I'll most likely end up with a repro/modern stock. gonna hunt for one with an original stock tho. I'm only about 90 mins away from camp perry so we'll see what I can find.

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>>32183484
Yeah you're right by me aren't you? I'm going to the Pit on the 16th.

>>32182589
>Ballistol is good for making the wood look nice
>ballistol on the wood to protect it.
plz no
>some people put a coat of BLO on stocks once a year or so while others think thats absolutely haram.
I've said it hundreds of times before, there are 500, 600 year old pieces of furniture with their original finish intact.

>>32180411
Oooooo, where did you get that sexy thang?

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>>32182415
>>32182549
Thanks

What would cause these stripes on the left side of the stock?

>>32183160
rounds for both 38 and 99 are more than a buck each (better reload them yourself)
people don't like the dust covers (but I like the sound)
original dust covers have a unique fit to their rifles so try to get unmolested models
replacement dust covers work but are either slightly loose (making more noise) or too tight (streaking the insides) compared to the original
chrysanthemum look nice
ejection is weak
6.5 Japanese is accurate with light recoil

cop either if original dust cover

>>32183160
Fine, strong rifles, but expect to have to hunt proper cases.
If you're not gonna reload for it, it's a wallhanger

>>32184120
It's a Finn isn't it? They use a type of birch that looks like that. I used to know how and why.
>>32183961
What's wrong with Ballistol on the wood?

>>32183961
A piece of furniture that's been covered and left unused is a bit different than a rifle that still takes hogs and sees the range. Things wear.

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>>32183160
Rounds for the 38 are expensive and hard to find at most lgs and even bigbox stores. It's long but well balanced with almost no felt recoil. They're usually fairly accurate with a unique report.

>>32184120
I'm gonna say it's some bubba shit right there.
>>32184220
>What's wrong with Ballistol on the wood?
It attracts dirt and grime and darkens wood. It doesn't "preserve" them like their sales pitch implies.

>>32184220
I don't think it has any capture marks on it, far as I know

>>32184329
If it's bubad it'd have to be from before it was put in the crate and imported. It looks like it was wrapped in some sort of greasy cloth or something that left lines on only that side

>>32184329
I didn't think of it preserving anything, I just figured it added a nice shine without hurting the wood.

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>>32180275
> value can only be measured in dollars

kys desu

Ballistol has done wonders for the wood of one of my rifles.

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Anybody know where I can buy a Russian Sks for less than 400 dollars in the US online?

I'm fine with fucked up stocks and such, but even then, a not shit Sks is hard to get where I live.

Or do I just have to find a Canada bro and smuggle it across the border?

>>32184680
Is a felony really worth trying to save at most $200?

>>32184680
http://www.jgsales.com/chinese-sks-type-56-semi-auto-rifle,-7.62x39,-military-surplus-issue-with-bayonet,-c-r.-used.-p-58288.html fresh outta the ol' KLA warehouses

>>32184694
only a felony if you're caught. Ol Thomas Jefferson'd be proud.

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>>32184694

>you pay 200 more dollars

>the government pays 1 million keeping you in federal prison plus pays for your college degree if you take classes behind bars
>but you're locked up

It's a tough decision

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>>32184714

Pretty nice.

What about a Russian one?

If you can give me a good Russian one (bore wise) I'll suck your dick.

>>32184587
people mistake short term looks for long term preservation.

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I got this today, how'd I do k?

>>32183678
>Yeah you're right by me aren't you?
i dunno are you in MI? whats going on at the pit, a /k/ meet?

>>32180347
You re the idiot. This was said about EVERY Milsurp ever.

They made 14 million 98ks but how many correct ones do you see??

Fudds chopped them all up because they were cheap and "endless".

If the gun is not still in active production/issue its a piece of history. You may not care, but some slavaboo that hasn't been born yet will be paying out the nose for a mak with original finish because of people with that attitude.

>>32182551
100% copper wool is better. It will not scratch the finish at all

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>>32178880
My tantal

>>32178880
>will P83 Wanad take standard Makarov magazines?

Unfortunately no, they are a bit different

>>32180347
I hope you will end your miserable life soon anon

>>32184197
>weak ejection
Not on my 7.7. I can fling casings a good five yards easily

anyone got a good website for Enfield information?

pawn shop about 40 minutes from me as a canadian made mk4 no1, for $500. so I want to do a little reading first before I buy.

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>>32186602
Yes, and no. I just have a day off and am going shooting. Gotta test out my new stuff.

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>>32182371
I was looking at the markings on this and have no idea what some of them are. Does anyone know what the letters infront of the serial mean?

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>>32187576
Or what this stamp near the buttplate is

>>32184910
How's the 1895 to shoot like? I'm eyeing one up.

>>32180936
Or you could, i don't know, oil it regularly and take care of it like a non-retard. If you want a truck gun then just get a HiPoint .

>>32187576
>Does anyone know what the letters infront of the serial mean?
They are part of the serial number; a two-letter prefix.

I think I forgot to grease the barrel of my K31 before putting it back into storage after cleaning. It's been a few months now and it's been sitting in a decently well-ventilated closet in the Bay Area. Not in a case.

Am I going to come back to rust in the barrel?

>>32178880
>tfw you bought a NPM M1 Carbine and the finish on it is practically gone except for a few spots
>extremely fucking tempted to have it refinished

my autism is screaming at me to get it reparkerized but I'm not sure how much it would hurt the value. I paid $800 for it.

>>32187915
>ventilated
Did you run a wet patch through after cleaning or leave the barrel dry?

>>32187915
probably not
if you do, it won't be anything that can't be repaired with a brass brush and elbow grease

>>32188295
I ran some MC25 to clean out the old grease and then tight dry patches.

I just ordered Kroil. In a week when I'm back hopefully I worried over nothing.

>>32187915
This is something I am also curious about. What is the best way to prevent any type of damage at all to military surplus weapons when you store them for periods of a couple months? Right now I just oil every part I can think of and stack them in my closet. Would it be a considerable improvement to get a gun safe and throw some demoisturizers in there? Are my guns gonna rot in any way by what I'm doing now?

>>32188415
My standard procedure before going off to school is to wipe down all metal parts with a rag seasoned with grease. Then layer on grease inside the working mechanism where it's not going to be touched on accident. A thickly greased cotton patch as well down the barrel, maybe a few strokes with a brush to make sure it's really distributed evenly. When you get back you can easily wipe off the grease with the help of just about any solvent.

As far as wood goes I'm not sure there's a ton you can do other than cleaning with orange-glo every so often and maybe rubbing oil if that was the original finish.

>>32187915
Unless it's somewhere really, really, really humid there won't be any rust.
>>32188454
>As far as wood goes I'm not sure there's a ton you can do other than cleaning with orange-glo every so often and maybe rubbing oil if that was the original finish.
Stop doing that! The best thing for the stock is to do nothing.

>>32188382
use heavy duty gloves n shit and use the kroil outside.

that shit will kill you

>>32188471
I mean, I do it every so often so the wood doesn't leave a mess on my hands after handling it. It may impact oil finishes but orange oil doesn't really react with the wood. It hasn't visibly changed the finish in any way other than cleaning some of the surface dirt. As far as I can tell it slowly evaporates out anyways.

>>32188472
It seems that all of the effective solvents have a habit of doing that :\

>>32180500
That wasn't a war. That was a U.S. intervention.

How will Trump effect milsurp?

>>32188520
As I said above, people mistake short term looks for long term preservation. Orange Glo isn't meant for collectables.

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>>32178880
Here's my 1970 from the same factory.

And yes, I'm working on getting a proper dust cover

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>>32188546
if nothing else, our rights wont get infringed.

best case scenario --- friends with russia = nuggetfood and more mosins/SVTs/RC Nazi guns. M1s and Carbines from S Korea.

>>32188549
I really don't see the harm when it's something you might do once every 5 years if that. How else would you clean the wood without harming the finish? The goal is to just have a rifle that you can hold without needing to wash your hands afterwards.

In my experience the K31 with shellac finish did not change color or look visibly different after I used orange-glo to clean off the dirt. The finish is fading in spots as well and those areas did not darken.

>>32188605
You're under the mistaken impression that stocks need cleaning. They do not.

>In my experience the K31 with shellac finish did not change color or look visibly different after I used orange-glo to clean off the dirt. The finish is fading in spots as well and those areas did not darken.
And again, people mistake short term looks for long term preservation. People say the exact same thing about spraying oven cleaner on stocks. Oven cleaner is lye. After about 10 years stocks will turn green as it breaks down the wood fibers.

>>32188646
Orange oil is non-drying. It just evaporates over time after application. I don't really see any evidence that suggests that it will break down anything in wood. Lye is a strong base and obviously will cause chemical reactions.

I'm not really going to change my mind on the issue of cleaning. I don't enjoy leaving black greasy streaks all over everything I touch just because I touched the stock. If you have any advice on a wood cleaner that is less likely to be an issue I'm all ears.

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>>32188726
You shouldn't get black grease on your hands from touching a stock. If it's doing that then it's probably the orange glo that you put on the stock or it's stock oil that you put on it. Either way, you shouldn't use either.

I have 20+ guns and not a single one leaves oil on my hands from touching the stock.

>>32188830
Have you ever gotten a K31 off the rack? They rubbed lanolin on the stock in service and it would stain a napkin black or brown when I first got it. The M48 I got covered in cosmoline is just as bad if not worse.

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>>32187695
Don't know, just got it a couple weeks ago. Being a lefty though, I don't like where one of the sling swivels is...really hoping I don't need gloves to shoot it.

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>>32188546
He won't.

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>>32188856
I own a K31 and do not have that problem. Cosmoline comes off with heat. You can't get it all out, but you shouldn't use chemicals to remove it.

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>>32188856
>>32188883
Lanolin wasn't even for the stock it's part of what the grease they used for the action...

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Tuesday cannot get here soon enough.

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>>32184744
No self respecting firearm dealer is gonna be selling a good Russian SKS for less than $400, your best bet for that is local private dealers, pawn shops, and gun shows
I panic bought a Yugo from Classic last month for $420, and it's been shooting fantastically. Only main difference between the Yugos and the Russians is that the Russians have a chrome-lined barrel whereas the Yugos do not, so you gotta be sure to clean it well if you use corrosive ammo

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>>32188546
>>32188583
Can't wait for my <$1000 Dragonuv

>>32188883
Your tolerance to it may be higher than mine, I noticed it for sure.

>>32188912
If you do some reading waffenfett was used to waterproof the stocks as well.

>>32189111
The black grease is Automatenfett and wasn't supposed to be used for rifle stocks.

And even if Waffenfett was used on the stocks, doesn't mean it should be used now. The military did not care about the longevity of the rifle stocks. They did not think of them as collectables.

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>>32189086
Oh yeah, just like in 2007 before Obama.

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>>32189003
What happens Tuesday?

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>>32189198
My 1895 shows up.

And it's my wife's birthday I guess.

>>32189138
The waffenfett is going to be pretty gross once it's accumulated half a century of storage bullshit.

Automatenfett has moly in it that impacts the texture so you shouldn't be using it for obvious reasons. It was never used to treat the stock.

The point was not that I do this but that cleaning this off isn't easy and orange glo did it.

>>32180109
What if i ruined the finish myself

>>32189533
While we are on the subject of stocks, my Turk mausers wood is dry and rough, like nearing splintery. What do?

>>32190094
You should do your own research. Some quick google suggests that the original finish was BLO. You can get some and rub it into the stock if this is the case. This will keep the wood from drying out. However I don't believe it will resolve the roughness.

>have amazing condition finnish Sk.Y m39
>never shoot it because muh history
should I get a cheap 91/30 just to have a mosin i'm ok with shooting

also would I regret a 90's chinese sks

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>>32190389
Do what I did with the K31. I bought one to keep and one to shoot. The one I shoot is a beater. The one I keep is an arsenal refurb that was never re-issued. It even has inspector tags.

Pic related.

>>32190442
Is that the beater?

>>32179865
you should try the 6.5 version

>>32180275
>not realizing the "several hundred dollar rifle" was once a super cheap beat to shit gun

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>>32190466
Nah, that's the arsenal refurb that I've never shot.

This is my beater. It's very obviously beaver-chewed and the finish is gone in places. I took these photos before orange-glo and it looks identical now. The oil evaporated out almost immediately and I haven't needed to clean it since because I just take it to the range when I want to feel like I'm a good shot.

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>>32190322
>This will keep the wood from drying out.
No, no it won't. The stock oil has one and only one job and that was to keep excess moisture OUT of the stock.

What do we have to do to end the BLO meme? When will it end?

>>32190596
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if there's nothing in the wood at all, it's susceptible to dry rot and fairly weak. If the original finish was an oil finish I don't see the harm in rubbing in more of the same oil.

>>32190659
I thought most milsurp is shellac or something similar? I just search for whatever the original finish is.

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>>32190680
>if there's nothing in the wood at all
Which won't ever happen as it's been finished.
>it's susceptible to dry rot and fairly weak.
What preserves wood is not the finish, it's the environment that it's kept in. Pic related. Pretty much zero stuck finish remaining from heavy use, but it won't get any sort of dry rot or damage because I keep in inside with air conditioning.
>If the original finish was an oil finish I don't see the harm in rubbing in more of the same oil.
Other than ruining the original finish.

>>32191032
It's a rifle, not a museum piece. I would argue it would be worse if the stock is ruined because it wasn't kept indoors below 50% humidity at all times.

I really don't understand this fetishism of originalism sometimes when it comes to milsurp. Yes, it's history. No, you don't have to let it sit with literally zero remaining finish exposed to the elements.

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>>32191178
There are pieces of furniture with their original finish intact that are over 500 or 600 years old. A 50 year old piece of wood on a gun can last just as long, if not longer.

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>>32178880
I'm tryna get a hakim rifle pls help

>>32191257
I'm saying that I fail to see how it's a bad thing to replace the old finish if there's literally nothing left of it. The whole fucking point of shellac is that if the finish is getting rubbed away you can color-match new shellac.

>>32191296
I got a Hakim and Ljungman. Very cool rifles. It's sad the rasheed doesn't have the cool fling forward bolt that the other two do. It's just a shitty SKS.

>>32191473
Still got thumbs?

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Just bought this M44 Nagant from a coworker for $200, all matching numbers except for the bolt. Even threw in a couple strippers, the strap, and a box of ammo.

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>>32191609
It's a 1945 Izhevsk, all in pretty good shape.

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>>32178880

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Do I sporterize it? :^)

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>>32191972
Sure, it doesn't have any real history attached to it.

>>32192016
Is PR 1.4 no longer a crashy piece of shit?

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>>32191972
Pls no

>>32191972
>that stock chatter
at least get something nice for it to sit in

>>32192042
...?

>>32192088
I was just pretending to be retarded.

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>>32192140
OK, but I'm feeling there is a reference which I wasn't getting.

>>32191559
I sold my thumbs so I could afford swedish mauser ammo.

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>>32191257
Does anyone know what the black dot is on so many Arisakas below the receiver above that little rivet thing? I've been trying to figure out why it is there on some and not on others and can't come up with anything.

>>32192707
Isn't it a drain hole?

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>>32192707
Drain hole. It allows water and debris that comes off of the front of the dust cover to get pushed out. There is also a hole at the very bottom of the stock for the same reason (pic related). Type 38s just had a notch at the side of the stock for the same reason.
>>32192719
It is.

>>32192781
>>32192719
Interesting. Never heard of something like this before.

>>32191348
You're not Ivan. You're Bubba. That's it. That's all you need to know.

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It sucks that about half my crest pictures are too fucking big to post here.

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>>32193096
>what is resize

>>32193110
I'm a metallurgist, not a photographer.

>>32193139
>what is MsPaint

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>>32193184
I'm on my phone. I don't even have gun pictures on my computer anymore.

>>32191257
My non matching peice of shit turk mauser is not one of those things, ai just want to make my stock nicer.

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>>32178880
Battle scarred and multi-captured early model Type38 Arisaka. Long story behind it

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>>32180255
Wait, is it bad to show the serial number?

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>>32194026
Only if you've stolen it.

>>32194114
Oh, okay good.
Wait that makes me wonder what>>32180255 did

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>>32194124
there's this weird idea circulating around that if you put your serial on the internet, people will report it stolen.

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>>32194160
Or that the .gov actually needs to see your whole serial number to know that you own a gun and put you down in their secret registry.

>>32194160
>>32194190

Okay, I can see now. Do you think that's a thing?

>>32194198
Even if someone did manage to report a gun stolen, it should be pretty easy to show you own it. It's literally a non-issue.

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>>32194198
>Do you think that's a thing?
To report a firearm stolen you need some evidence that you actually owned it in the first place.

>>32194007
>Long story behind it
go on

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>>32194271
Come on man, it's 11 pm here!

>>32194007
After jumping from french and swiss rifles ive decided im going after jap guns.

Pls share your wisdom and cool type 38 story.

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>>32194323
Okay fiiiine.
For starters, I haven't even fired it yet. I don't have $30 for a 20 count box, as much as I wish I did.
>>32194271
Now, the story started with an old man renting our trailer home out in the country. I was the only person he knew who did anything related to guns (I took apart guns, cleaned them, and found history on them as a hobby) and said that his father gave him a rifle from his time in WWII. Our renter went on saying how he thinks it's German because of all the weird words and symbols from it (this guy isn't exactly the sharpest KABAR in the KEBAB if you know what I mean); he wanted me to take it, clean it, find ammunition, fire it, and find information in regards to what it was.
When he took it out, I was greeted by what was obviously NOT a German mauser, but a much longer Japanese rifle. This absolutely shocked me since I've never worked with or ever imagined working with a Japanese rifle. The poor thing was completely frozen- the bolt wouldn't budge or anything. I happily took it off his hands and went to work on it at home; I got my oil, screw driver, and newspapers, and took the gun apart as gently as I could with what I had. As soon as I split the stock from the metal- LIVE cockroaches fell out all over the floor, along with God knows what else. Tons of water, oil, and cleaning bare parts ensued. Second part coming up.

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>>32194527
With the cleaning underway, I went to finding information. It was obvious this gun had gone through a lot: carved buttstock, chipped wood, missing cleaning rod, caked debris. I was in highschool at the time and I told my two friends about it. "Hey, lets use the translator to see what the carvings say,"- so we did that. I put it to be set on Japanese, and nothing came up, it just didn't match anything. I decided to try Chinese just to see, and it read it perfectly like that. What we got was "Big East"; we had no clue what that meant, so I told them I would look it up at home. Couldn't find anything myself, when my buddy found something relating to the second sino-japanese war. Apparently " The Great Eastern Conflict" was what the Chinese called the Second sino-Japanese war, which was going on before WWII.
With this extra bit of information I was able to piece together a hypothesis/ currently accepted conclusion as to what had happened. This rifle was one of the early models, sporting the extra bit of metal on the safety for your thumb to press against. This rifle was also obviously captured by an american soldier who brought it here to leave it in a shed for God knows how long without even cleaning it. Then there was the fact that the rifle has Chinese writing carved into the buttstock referring to the second sino-japanese war. In order, the rifle would have been made early on, to fight in the war around the 1910's-20's or so, where it would have been captured by a Chinese soldier who brought it back to be used. When WWII rolled around, the rifle would have been captured by a Japanese soldier during the invasion of China, and turned back into circulation to be used in the Pacific theater against the Americans. Some time during this, the rifle was captured by an American soldier, and brought home with him to be left in a shed, eventually being passed down to his son. Finally, it ended up in my hands to be cleaned.

>>32194527
That poor raifu, pls more.

>>32194777
Horry shit anon.
That is pretty great, what condition is the rifle in?

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>>32194777
>>32194818

The guy who lent it to me for cleaning decided to not pay rent, and completely trashed the house in the process before disappearing altogether- so now it's mine. In all honesty it's in better hands now, but I wish I could do more for it. I only have rudimentary tools like 3-in-1 oil, regular flathead screwdrivers, and the will to do good for it, but I feel it's not enough. The rifle is currently resting, leaning against my bureau next to my bed, and I worry how it occasionally slides into the crack behind it, denting the wall. I just don't know what else to do safely.

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My K-31, and the doe it took on Wed.

>>32184961
Muh milsurp
2 rifles in two days.

Why do SKS rifles have to be so damn hard to get back together?

Magazine never wants to lock into place the first couple times. Almost takes a vice to squeeze the trigger assembly into the receiver.

Simonov should be sent to the gulag for this design.

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>>32194963
Oops forgot pic

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>>32194305
>>32194527
>>32194777
>>32194838
It's a Type 38 that was removed from IJA service and given to a school. That's what the 文 under where the "mum" was means. As does the two zeros placed in front of the serial number.

The stamps in the wood probably say what school that owned it.

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I need a large ring mauser, milsurp, caliber doesn't matter. What should I look for?

pic semi related

>>32187466
neat. i might be able to make it up but i think i have to work. turns out CMP is sold out of everything but winchester specials and sniper models, even in store at camp perry

>>32194860
what load or factory ammo did you use? what was the performance? hit area and distance?

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>>32195475
Yugo Mausers are a inexpensive large ring, as are the Czech ones. If you want a German, Russian capture 98k rifles aren't hard to find nor are they particularly expensive.

>>32195548
yeah same. GP11 or reloaded shit.

>>32195024
Nice, i just ordered some clips from libertytree for my m95 too.

>>32190094
I can sell you a good turk stock

https://www.armslist.com/posts/6155486/seattle-washington-rifles-for-sale--type-53-mosin-nagant

Might be picking this up today for $195 including transfer fees.

Is this a good deal?

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>>32197964
>Might be picking this up today for $195 including transfer fees.
>Is this a good deal?
Only if it's matching. I paid $99+ tax for mine just a couple years ago.

>>32197991

I belive its been rearsenaled by CAI

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>>32197998
>rearsenaled by CAI

Century doesn't do anything but etch the import mark on them.

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>>32197991
>A couple years ago
And a couple years ago I got my CZ82 for $180. A couple yeara ago, K31s were $100. A couple yeara ago, Enfields were $200 a peice. But you will never find one for that price now.
>>32197964
Looks ok. You won't be getting hosed at least.

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>>32198027
Literally two years ago dude. And while you can't walk into Fleet Farm and get them for that anymore, they're sure not $200 guns unless they're matching.
>But you will never find one for that price now.
Except I see other collectors (or just lucky fucks) post about finding steals on Mosins or other surplus rifles a few times each week, and I die a little more inside. It happens, just not to you or me.

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>>32198050
Supply and demand, dude.

We all get deals sometimes. If someone buys a $100 Mosin now it's because the seller is an idiot and hasn't looked at the prices lately and just assumes they're still $100 because of the idiots that spouted that they will always be $100 (even as the prices kept going up and up).

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PREPARE YOUR ANUS

its over cast here so I drug a couple more surps out of the safe. pix incoming

>>32197455
Is it a long rifle stock set?

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1/a few

>>32180462
My grandfather had one of those. came from a whiskey barrel. I told him it was worth money and he said "it is a cheap piece of shit from some commie country, and it doesn't even shoot right." so he gave it to a gamewarden he likes who lives down the street for free, and the guy paid to make it into a 30-06. It fucking hurts.

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>>32198520
yes, i have a spare from when I rebuilt that turk mauser before i changed my mind and decided to fudd it.

I paid $90 plus shipping, and I will gladly sell it to you at cost if you're rebuilding a Turk

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>>32198576
I like to pretend Andrew W.K.'s great grandpa inspected this gun while singing about partying.

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close up of 7-1 rifle

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I hope I look this good at 106yrs old

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>>32198538
the goofy one is a movie prop from Saving Private Ryan

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>>32198526
>>32198599
>Brazilian Military Police-contract Mauser-Vergueiro
Neat. Hardly ever see those.

>>32198551
I came across this really neat photo the other day with 1879 and 1885 Lee-Navy rifles in it. Check out the spare magazines on the web belts.

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>>32198576
>special shoutout to autistic anon for yelling at me to fix my 1903's sling

>>32198652
that photo is amazing. its crazy to think this could be one of those rifles in the crate....

yea the Brazilian is a neat one, i impulse bought it one day and have no regrets. I think they had the same production numbers as the Madsen M47 ~5k ish or something like that.

>>32195258
That was what a Japanese/Chinese immigrant said who looked at it, saying that when it was captured by the Chinese, it probably was used in a school when it was recaptured

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>>32198652

>imma shoot these guns

>you know you want to

>admit it anon, you're jealous

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>>32198683
It's crazy to think that the Navy was the service fielding the foremost infantry rifle technology in the US. I suppose it made sense though, since they were the branch most likely to see action.

Here's the whole photo:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5537/30381454234_87e88dfd08_o.jpg

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>>32198730
to be fair, the Army had some too.

>Winchester Lee
>Lee Navy
>Remington Lee
>Chaffee-Reese
>Remington-Keane
>Ward Burton Rifle
>some other stuff I forgot

the 1880s were great times in US small arms, too bad we always neglect the Army in peacetime, but .45-70 repeaters will always have a place in my heart.

>>32198107
This, I WISH they were still that cheap, got my mosin just as the prices were going up for 220 including the FFL transfer. I got into the game just a little bit too early

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>a Belgian designed the Mosin-Nagant
>an American designed the Lee-Enfield
>an American designed the Maxim Gun
>A Canadian designed the M1 Garand

Why don't armies buy local?

>>32198854
Local never produced anything good.

>>32198854
Nagant only had minor additions to the Moisin rifle, nothign that actually would have significantly changed it or have not been independently added.
James Lee was Scottish-Canadian.
Garand might have been born in Canada but spent most of his life in the US and identified as an American.

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>>32182434
Definitely. The action is butter, basically pops open in your hand. It's Coachwood, so I don't shoot it much, but the brass furniture on some parts is beautiful

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off for now. have a great day /k/

>>32198590
The lee navy is so cool, id love to get one to add to my growing collection of straight pull guns.

>>32198538
10 4 captain, ill hit you up about it some time.

>>32198590
Andrew W.K. isn't real, friend.

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70s-80s era slav sks ammo pouched from apex's black friday sale

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>>32199363
*pouches

Now with 100% more slav runes

MRKONJA
MESUD
7716-10 SABAC
11.04.1979

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>>32199389
the S has a v or ~ thing over it if that makes a difference

>>32198905
Lee became an America, like Garand.

>>32198854
An American designed the Lewis Gun too (mostly).

>>32199177
TBs is the other lee navy, the 45-70 one.

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the shitposting continues

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just can't stop

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won't stop

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I didn't realize this buttplate was supposed to be blued

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this 4MB limit kind of blows

>>32199910
I know. It should be something like 16mb.

>>32199920
I just realized I posted too many images for the thread, RIP

>>32199882
mine isn't

>>32200554
My other rifle doesn't have a blued buttplate, I suspect the finish came off pretty quickly for the same reason that the butt is often beaver-chewed.

>>32201030
I think it's more likely that it was reblued. Either as a rebuild or not.

>>32201779
The other side of the buttplate for both rifles is blued.

This is an arsenal refurb. You can tell because the stock has been sanded and refinished. It had about 30-40 year old yellow grease on it when I cleaned the rifle up and applied new grease for storage. I'm fairly certain that from the arsenal they were supposed to be blued but the buttplate bluing rapidly wore off with use. Just storage from before I got it shows that the buttplate is losing the finish again.

>>32199882
Fuuuuck that's nice

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?32193-K-31-Butt-Plate

It looks like the K31 was specced for a blued buttplate.