Glock Reliability

>>32178016
Honestly I think that the Glock reliability is merited, however most modern, well-made handguns should be able to keep up near Glock reliability. Glocks are like AKs; they should be reliable, but it isn't hard to dick it up.

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>>32178016
>or are other handguns just as reliable?

Yup. Usually you will hear newfags tout Glocks for the following reasons
>reliable
>cheap (?)

When there's a bunch of equally reliable handguns for the same amount of money. You know what's extremely reliable and isn't ever mentioned? The M9.

>>32178188
The M9 is about as reliable as wet toilet-paper body armor, the slides crack and they fuck up all the time.

>>32178222
Not to mention the fucking size. I'd rather carry a Glock 19 than an m9 or 92fs. The thing is fucking huge.

>>32178016
Of course they're reliable. Most modern handgun designs that have any kind of QC are reliable. I love glocks on paper, they just don't feel well in my hand and I can't shoot very well with them

>>32178016
They go boom everytime. I don't know what else you want.

>>32178188
>You know what's extremely reliable and isn't ever mentioned? The M9.

Stop lying Yankee-Masrshal you fat ugly homo. The M9 is beasically the equivalent of the Garand rifle in the pistol world: Huge open action with lots space for shit to get in there.

>>32178273
This.

They're super reliable but if your gonna base things off preference, some love em and some hate em. To expand, some enjoy them and some don't but appreciate them. I know plenty of people who just can't hold the gun right and just have trouble shooting with it. Be that as it may, reliability is one thing, but preference and comfort is just as important.

Sig p320 is superior.

>>32178303
>Huge open action with lots space for shit to get in there

And easy for shit to get out of. Even with the open design and quality problems of the older models it still passed the military test, and is still used to this day. They apparently work enough to keep them in the field for almost 40 years. You get a new 92fs, and i'm sure it will work fine for a good 50 years from now.

>>32178016
When they first came out head and shoulders above all their price point competitors and keeping up with a lot of more expensive weapons. Currently still great for the price but their existence forced a lot of manufacturers to up their game so there are a lot of great options at multiple price points.

>>32178388
About how I view it plus easy to get replacement parts

>>32178414
yup, the only thing that needs to be changed in the long run is the locking block and a few little springs. Other than that it will serve well for many many years to come.

>>32178388
>And easy for shit to get out of.

That'S not how this works. Things get dirty easy. They don't get clean easy.

>Even with the open design and quality problems of the older models it still passed the military test, and is still used to this day.

Yeah. Until you have to actually use it as a PDW and shoot 3 mags out of it and then have to clear a malf an burn your hand on the exposed barrel and accidentally engage the safety.

>They apparently work enough to keep them in the field for almost 40 years.

Side arms aren't winning ar so they aren't any military's primary concern. This allows alot of shitty guns to continue being fielded.

>You get a new 92fs, and i'm sure it will work fine for a good 50 years from now.

lol

>>32178442
Looking past the long track record the m9 has with the military, the gun tends to do what it was ment for. A new m9/92fs will serve fine for a civilian role as a nightstand gun or carry weapon. Not everyone uses it as a go to war gun, crawling around in mud, hammering nails, or sending 50k rounds down range. For many people it will work just fine.

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>>32178531
>Not everyone uses it as a go to war gun, crawling around in mud, hammering nails, or sending 50k rounds down range.

THE FUCKING MILITARY DOES!

>>32178556
I literally said looking past the long track record of the military. Yes it will do those things but I was referring to a civilian role.

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>>32178531
>For many people it will work just fine.

Yes, every gun will work if you just make enough assumptions in favour of the gun like it'll always be clean, lubed and fed the best ammo. And then you have the gall to suggest one should/could use it as a carry piece. Lol. The fucking Luger was a better gun if you disregard the ammo capacity issue.

>>32178626
I'm not saying other gun aren't reliable, i'm just shilling for the m9. There are lots of reliable guns out there, it's mainly about personal preference. Whatever floats your boat.

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>>32178388
>And easy for shit to get out of.

So that's why the SEALs had Phrobis make closed up slides for the M9, wait, no, that's not right, you're just dumb.

>>32178571
While you are besieged by autists I see where you are going. The pistol is built for abuse that few civilian owners would ever do and given how grunts can abuse shit (guilty at times) a pistol of that spec will hold up longer than the 25 years most m9's will go before shitting the bed

>>32178749
if they did the new test MAC does on his channel the M9 would fail the first round of sand immediately. The fucking HK VP9 fails it.

The Berettas are good. Way the ass back in the 90's there were a few bad guns but since then no "slides have cracked" and other "stuff."

Glocks were very reliable compared to pistols like the S&W steel semi-autos that had lifespans measured in a few thousand rounds, or 1911's that all had their own list of problems. 30 years of pistol development later? 90% of the market is up to that standard, with Taurus taking a giant dump in the pool.

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>>32178016
OP here. To clarify, I was asking are Glocks the most reliable handgun on the market as many of their fanboys will have you believe?

>>32178772
And that is of any relevance to the heart of this conversation how? This is not exactly a latest and greatest thread and while better shit comes out it has not really been leaps or bounds for over a hundred years besides material science and working hollow points when one talks about pistols.

>>32178794
This guy gets it

>>32178749
thanks for the backup, I'm starting to feel like the heli operator being surrounded in black hawk down syndrome. Fucking glock fags are relentless.

>>32178626
of course the luger is better it costs twice as much

>>32178795
No, pretty sure a Makarov is better if you're going for reliability over everything else, the stuff those things survive and work through is just silly, they're the Vickers machinegun of pistols.

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>>32178318
Unless you want a different caliber that 9mm, .357 sig, .40 s&w, and do they even make a .45 acp?

>>32178724
As stated in your pic, that was a short term fix for slide breakage. Not to fix debris issues.

>>32178795
>To clarify, I was asking are Glocks the most reliable handgun on the market as many of their fanboys will have you believe?

Yes. Go on the Military Arms Channel on YT and check out their "standardized" tests.

>>32178819
Obfuscation/10.

>>32178859
If you look around it's about the same.

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>>32178847
>black hawk down syndrome

They're out in full force today, like herpes at a blind date.

>>32178388
They have a new a3 design.

>>32178847
Glock fan as well and rock a kimber stainless 2 with no shame (used and it shoots well) I just hate fanatic devotion to dogma. It tends to have us look for the perfect instead of the best for us

>>32178924
I realized that about two minutes after posting it, would still definitely help with that though, and I think a closed slide actually makes the M9 look a lot better too.

>>32179030
Are they available to the civilian market? I wouldn't mind fingering one.

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>>32179056
No idea, apparently there was a magazine made to go with it too, supposedly only a handful of the slides were made, legit ones are marked U.S.N. on the side and there are fakes floating around.

>>32178988
Damn, nice kimber. You get the engraved version? They look sexually satisfying.

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>>32179158

>>32179158
>File: Phrobis Mag.jpg (85 KB, 800x560)

>let's make more race cuts into the mag body so more shit can get in when 2LT McFumblyhands drops it in the dirt while doing a mag change under fire.

>>32179162
Basic bitch but if I get more money than sense at some point I guess I could engrave but honestly I would be more likely to do that with a larger magnum revolver or single shot rifle. After house was paid off, iras maxed out, and investment funds put aside........... yeah I am boring

>>32179187
We had butters like that ...... somehow we deployed with a cop and two mustangs. Now the 1st lt xo.............yeah he did that on test fire

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>>32178939
Glock rules supreme. Even the protectionist Germans agree.

>>32179158
>>32179177
I would like to have it just for the rarity of it. Would make a nice safe queen.

>>32179191
Hope everything works in your favor. Even not engraved it's still a beauty.

>>32179216
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Hell it may even make a good investment piece. And if not something for the grandkids

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>>32178222
>Literally one 92s with tens of thousands of rounds under it's belt broke
>Beretta redesigns whole slide and retrofits existing military pistols
>This was over 25 years ago and salty fucks are still angry the m9 is better than the m1911
>With the shittiest mags and most retarded grunts using them as hammers for 30years, they are still going strong
>Implying you ever touched one past pistol qual day where you forgot about the slide safety and spilled your boot spaghetti

Vs
>Glocknade.jpg
>Have been making the same shitty unergonomic Austrian brick since the 80's but still can't stop the frames from pignosing before they leave the factory
>Retarded grip angle that makes the gun naturally point low
>Costs as much as a vp9
>Build quality and function of a s&w sdve

>>32179237
Agreed. seeing that it was a limited run, it can only go up in value.

>>32179233
I will only say not intended for weaker hands against its favor. The recoil spring is heavier than most and can fuck with noodle arms

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>>32178016
I personally have seen a glock fail. Guide rod on some combat .45 model locked up in some magical way and it wouldn't go into battery even if forced to do so. I don't shoot often so I found it interesting that the Glock broke. Not saying its evidence that Glocks arn't reliable but their not indestructible. Every gun has maintenance intervals and wearable parts.

I guess this endless debate really needs to be chocked up as splitting hairs the differences are minuscule. There are junk guns that don't shoot reliably but every gun shouldn't have a stoppage very often.

>pic related
>like 2k round
>like 3 stoppages.
(the Beretta not the martini, the martini has zero stoppages to date)

Glocks are in the far reaches of diminishing returns.

Yes, they are the most reliable. Bar none. Battlefield Vegas has shown us this much.

But having said that, most other wondernines are almost as reliable to the point of it not mattering much.

should i get a ria 1911 or a glock or a cz-75b for my first pistol?

>>32179241
>Have been making the same shitty unergonomic Austrian brick since the 80's
>Retarded grip angle that makes the gun naturally point low

>go to range
>Unzipp Luger
>all the tards are in awe
>ask if the can shoot it
>sure, with your own ammo
>they shoot it
>"Wow so great! Might be the best shooting gun ever!"
>"What else you got in there?"
>unzipps Glawk
>"Oh, just a Glock...."
>"The grip feels so weird to me..."
>literally the same grip as the Luger before

And this is what happens when FUDDlore is regurgitated so often it becomes a quasi fact. You are probably the same type.

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>>32179287
Non of those are bad, just buy whichever you find cheap. Better yet find one used and beat/shoot the piss out of it to really gain some experience. You can afford to buy a used gun to beat on for your first since it most certainly will not be your last purchase. Welcome to the addiction anon.

>>32179241
Fully agree with M9 assessment ...... especially using as hammer. ... sorry dod. Glock.... well glocknade is a bit harsh given the retarded shit required to accomplish it but yes it is a concern if you do not get the right conversion barrel and proceed to shoot ruger only loads or buffalo bore if your luck sucks. Glocks are still great if they fit your hand. I love the full size and the extended slide versions. The compact and below I am not as enthusiastic about but they work for others. I am simply overjoyed that we have so many great choices (compared to the 90's) and a president likely to leave them alone

>>32179303
Being both fat and unergonomic while also at a 22° angle make the glock feel and shoot like shit for anyone who learned on or owns literally any other pistol.

Pretty much every other pistol hovers around the ~18° mark and naturally points with the wrist

Stay mad glockfag

>>32179318
Komrad I know you

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>>32179241
Hahhahaha, this, this so fucking much.

>>32179341
>unergonomic
>it's a buzz(feed)word I throw around when I have no real arguments

>fat
so now you expect the glock to have some sort of shrink ray device so it can shrik the ammo to fit your feminine hands?

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>>32179358
Top kek, theres no way anon. Your initials MS, CS, MH? Or CB perhaps?

I see that there are a decent number of Beretta owners in this thread. I have some questions for you guys:

Is shelling out a little bit extra for a Brigadier vs. a normal Beretta worthwhile, or should I go for a 92A1 now that those exist?

What do you think about the standard black finish vs. stainless?

How hard is it to convert the safety to decock only? Are there kits that are easy enough for a non-idiot to do it himself, or do you have to send your gun off to a gunsmith?

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>>32179368
>Feminine hands
>the 92fs is too big for his bitch hands but that the boxy, off angled grip of his glock brand glock totes isn't unergonomic that's just a buzzword

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>>32179398
Brig is US made... some say the finish isn't as nice/durable. The brig is wider and heavier so finding a holster will be harderish.

However my Wilson Brig Tac shoots freakishly smooth. But that could be due to "muh wilson".

I'd go with the 92FS. the 92A1 is queer. Get a 92fs or m9 or whatever if you want a rail.

I have lots of side by side photos if you want.

>>32179408
This, wanting to have a fucking choke grip with your fingers wrapped twice around the fucking grip.

>>32179398
Brigadier is sexy, but the basic 92fs is excellent too. It really depends on if a replaceable front sight and Beretta trident front wrap grips is important to you. I have a normal black 92fs with hogue front wrap grips and it's amazing to shoot.

The inox finish and contrasting controls looks really nice, but it's cosmetic.

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>>32179429
IMPO the Brig is wider and heavier for no reason. The only reason to get anything but a 92fs is if you want a rail. Then I think the m9 or m9a1 or some shit has a rail.

>>32179270
On my 92FS the spaghetti slurpers forgot to replace the slide stop spring (it's ex Italian police) so I was getting some weird stoppages.

Now it works fine, haven't had a problem since.

>>32179456
Yeah replace a few springs and the 92 should last for fucking ever. Especially considering most komandos don't shoot enough to actually reach the end of service life on a firearm.

>>32179478
Or use them as hammers

>>32179502
hahahhahahhahahha. I should use my Wilson to hammer a few tent stakes just to be fucking autistic.

>>32178016
Nope. It's the Hi-Point C9. Most reliable handgun in my collection. 3K+ rounds through it since I have owned it with the cheapest ammo I can find, never broke it down to clean it, dropped it in the dirt, left it in the car for months at a time, and still never one single FTF or FTE. Nothing on the gun has ever broken or worn out. Also, the most accurate pistol I own. Seriously, the only problems I have with it is that it's ugly as home made sin, heavy as hell, and the 8 round capacity.

>>32178016
Yeah, totally reliable, if you disregard the facts that:

>they don't work with many types of popular gun lights, glock even made its own light to address this issue and it's the worst fucking light on the market (and the the gun still malfunctions with it)
>they've had to recall nearly 10,000 guns because they were literally fucking blowing up
>they use plastic guide rods, sights, and mags (can't tell you how many feed lips I've broken... the plastic mags are a reliability issue on their own. they won't load or drop properly if dirt/mud gets on them or if heat causes the polymer to expand enough)
>they do this to make it lighter so it looks better on paper vs other guns (not to mention cheaper)
>they malfunction if you hold them wrong (which may occur under stress) perhaps due to the lightening of parts
>despite all this I still bought one because I'm one of those people who's hands it actually fits well in and I like the ball in cup sights
>first ever mag, I think 4 malfunctions out of 15 rounds. second mag 2-3, then no issues until I mounted a light and it started stovepiping once every few mags (with an inforce, the lightest of gun lights)
>sold it, bought an FNS, never looked back

And yet I'm forced to carry one for duty. My current one hasn't had as many issues, the blue label ones have higher QC standards. I think the company is the problem. Glock isn't run by Gaston anymore. They're frauds selling his design (which was great in the 70's) for maximized profit. They refuse to update the damn thing and it seems like every rendition is a downgrade.

>>32178016
They're the most used sidearm by American police for a reason. Glocks are the Toyota Corollas of guns.

>>32180313
>They're frauds selling his design (which was great in the 70's) for maximized profit
If they wanted to maximize profit they wouldn't be selling shitty guns. They'd be selling great guns. And they do sell great guns. People love Glocks because they sell great guns and Glock has no reason to stray from its tried and true formula.
>hurr profit bad

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>>32180549
Yeah, great at nothing, but they are what they are and they don't give you a lot of trouble.

I also like the extreme minimalism of the design.

>>32180313
>and mags (can't tell you how many feed lips I've broken... the plastic mags are a reliability issue on their own.


Lies. First first gen mags were all polymer but they didn't last. the mags would stretch out like a pregnant lady in the middle and had to be unloaded for storage. still the feed lips lasted. this was solved by the steel insert and you haven't broken those feed lips. bend them? yes, possible but this steel doesn't break without taking pliers and bending it back and forth 30 times.

>>32180549
huh? i've never seen a cop driving a toyota corolla

>>32180313
>they don't work with many types of popular gun lights
>mags (can't tell you how many feed lips I've broken
You're flat out making shit up, why are you resorting to this?
>they've had to recall nearly 10,000 guns because they were literally fucking blowing up
Is it 20 years ago still? Now, Glocks are by far one of the best vehicles for 10mm.
>they malfunction if you hold them wrong
So does my SIG.
>they use plastic guide rods
This is literally a non-fucking-issue.
>plastic sights
Literally the only valid complaint you have in your tirade.

>>32178222
Confirmed to have never owned a Beretta.

Fuck, the 92FS is the king of reliability when lubed and using factory magazines.

The Glock is far from the most reliable, but it is easily the most durable and easy PM.

>>32181710
I'd give some HK guns like the MK23 and USP the nod to durability.

>>32178054

I dunno...if you give a shit about MACs test then most other similar guns don't keep up with the glock 17...the M&P9 choked, the VP9 choked really hard, etc

>>32180573
They sell mediocre guns under the guise of great guns, because fanboys like you will say they're great guns regardless of reality because of their brand name.

>>32180632
The steel feed lips can bend (bent is broken, it's fucking unusable in that condition) when you stuff that last round into them. The last round on a glock mag is notoriously difficult to load, because of their design. They only give you the exact amount of space necessary in order to save length (to be as small as possible to look good on paper). This is why many people recommend downloading glocks by one round to prevent the known reliability issues that come with fully loading them. Look it up.

>>32180701
>Is it 20 years ago still?
We're talking about the reliability of a brand. Yes, issues they've had at any point are going g to be brought up. They provided thousands of guns to uniformed officers and allowed them to hit the streets without properly testing them and they blew the fuck up. They fucked up big time and will never live this up, and it was a lot more recent than 20 years ago, you're the one making shit up.

>So does my SIG
Also a piece of shit. Don't even get me started. Just because I call the gun terrible doesn't mean I think it's a bad gun, in fact glocks are my 3rd favorite handgun. I subscribe to the simplicity meme, or maybe I just like the aesthetics. I'm just very critical, they're a mediocre handgun because lf choices the company makes and are in no way still "the gold standard." FN handguns should rightfully hold that title in this day and age and I'm jelly as fuck that my state troopers get issued them. Glock is trailing far behind at the bronze, perhaps even iron standard. They could be so much better if they didn't use sales/manufacturing methods that basically make them the Apple (brand) of guns.

so what pistol should I get for my first one?

It seems that everything is shit.

Although everyone seems to agree that makarovs are awfully reliable and durable

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>>32182491
We're just assholes who call everything shit.
Fact of the matter is, most modern guns are going to be plenty reliable. Just pick one you like and you'll be fine.
We'll still say it's shit, though. But that's just because we're awful, broken people.

>>32182451
>They sell mediocre guns
if if a glock is mediocre what does that make 90% of the market that cant keep par

>>32182532
so kinda like /v/ and video games being all horrible

and /mu/ saying that all music is shit

and /tv/ saying that all movie are shit

I think I'm seeing a trend here on 4chan

>>32178016
Glock's achievement was a once-revolutionary suite of innovations that have now dissipated through the industry. Wonder nines are done as far as figuring out a reliable sidearm. It really comes down to preference.

>>32182491
Try to hold/fire as many as you can before making a decision. Nothing sucks more than buying a gun that checks off all the boxes except the most important one - being comfortable in YOUR hand.

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>>32182606
It takes a certain kind of person to function on 4chan.

>>32182606
on /k/, there is a simple classification system: meme/ shit/ and memeshit

>>32182606
if it's popular it's hated
if it's milsurp it's outdated
if it's expensive they're your dads guns
you're also always a faggot

welcome to /k/ now git the fuck out

>>32178318
Yes, because I love a shitty trigger reset. Keep eating Semen In Gallon fulls you faggot.

The 320 is just a 250 without a hammer.

>I love striker fired pistols without any benefits of striker fire

>>32178388
>they passed the military test

When in trials with 1911 it malfunctioned several times, and the 1911 did not.

One time bad enough to injure the shooter.

Good top brass gave baretta the award anyways and new factories for built in DC.

But it "passed", just not as well as others.

>>32178556

9x21 berretta 92?


WTF

>>32178016
idk i have a g17 g19 and g43

you tell me, im biased af.

>>32178318
wow...

>>32179177
heavy garbage

>>32179241
the 92 is shit and you know it, id sooner have used the thing as a club than a side arm, it was such shit and mine was fairly unused.

>>32182857

It's a europoor thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9721mm

Basically it's literally the same as 9x19 but available in European countries where they have bans on ammo used by militaries.

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>>32182857
Some countries don't allow calibers that militaries use. It's a workaround.

>>32182554
Lmao, have you been to a gun shop lately? They've long been surpassed. Take a look at some FN and HK handguns, and I don't mean that cheap vp9 one.

The only manufacturers that can't keep up are American, and that's no surprise. We can't into good guns or cars for that matter. Cops use glocks, but they also drive crown vics. I would rather do the opposite of what they do.

>>32182789
Show us on the doll where the Sig touched you for the court please.

>>32182899
What an excellent retort. You totally converted me to sigs.

>>32179287
i would say the glock being you can get a used one or police trade in really around 300-400 in 9mm .45acp and .40 short&wimpy.

not to mention theres a lot of after market for glocks and everyone and their mother has parts, mags ect.

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>>32178388
>passed the military test
Are you talking about the guys that thought it was a good idea to wear blue pajamas in the desert?

Again, do the opposite of what American police and military do. You'll be better off than 90% of other preppers/sheepdogs with this simple trick.

>>32178289
My g29 gen 3 has malfunctioned more times than my ruger mk. 3.

Obviously not typical. But glocks are not immune to malfunctions.

>>32180549
Cost?

>>32181876
If that's your gauge of reliability, sell your Glocks and get an AREX ZERO 1.

>>32183054
Cost of a glock? You do realize that you are on the internet, right?

>>32181876
And the P320 did reasonbly well with his "mud" tray being way more sticky and disgusting than the other tests. I guarantee the p320 is not as reliable as the glock irl.

That said, the fact that his stations are not consistent gun to gun, day to day, season to season, is enough reason to disregard what little scientific value his system has in the first place.

>>32183054
They cost departments around $300. They should cost around $400. You pay around $600. The extra margin that you pay is what allows them to give such a heavy discount to departments. It's a pretty brilliant business plan actually... at your expense.

>>32182451
>This is why many people recommend downloading glocks by one round to prevent the known reliability issues that come with fully loading them.
Jesus Christ, fucking kill yourself you memeing cunt.

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>>32182451
>The steel feed lips can bend when you stuff that last round into them.
Hahahahaha, fucking what?
>This is why many people recommend downloading glocks by one round to prevent the known reliability issues that come with fully loading them
You're a retard.
>Look it up
Confirmed.
>The last round on a glock mag is notoriously difficult to load
And you're a bitch. A retarded bitch. Sad!

>>32183515
>Combatting legitimate arguments with humor to defend your fanboy cult gun

Ok. How about you just improve it instead.

You haven't shot the gun enough if you haven't bent a feed lip, and yes it is recommended by some to download it. I was actually told by a firearms instructor. I've had around 16 firearms instructors in my time and you're questioning my legitimacy on the internet? Delete your trip.

>>32178016
I realize I'm late to the party here but figure I'll throw in my 2¢ anyway.

They're probably not any more reliable than any of the million other polymer framed pistols on the market, because they're all pretty good, and for the most point almost mechanically identical at this point.

The bonuses of buying a Glock are having a huge aftermarket and being able to find mags everywhere, and usually for 2/3rds or less of the cost other pistol mags run.

>>32183673
But the mags are plastic, the cost is low because the quality is shit.

>>32183693
No on all counts.

They have a steel sleeve that includes the feed lips, inside the plastic shell. And I've never heard anyone bitch about their reliability. I've never had an issue with them myself either.

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>>32183609
>Fuddlore is legit guis
Lmao
>You haven't shot the gun enough if you haven't bent a feed lip
Man, if you're retarded bitch ass only knew.
>and yes it is recommended by some to download it.
Yeah, and they're retarded.
>I was actually told by a firearms instructor.
I was told by a guy who sales guns for a living that .223 is a "poodle killing round" and terrible at killing people. :^

>>32183609
> I was actually told by a firearms instructor. I've had around 16 firearms instructors in my time
Are you trolling now?

>>32183723
"Torture test" polymer glock mags against any metal mags. By torture I mean just get it muddy/dirty, this seems to be the standard of torture for people on youtube. When you do it you'll see what I'm talking about.

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>>32183825
Up next; PMAGs and why they're plastic garbage that should never be used over USGIs. Followed by a marathon run of "Those Wimpy Polymer Frames That Can't Pistol Whip Ay-Rabs Properly". Stay tuned.

>>32179287
You're looking at a SAO, DASA, and Striker. You should figure out which type of action you want.

>>32183825
https://youtu.be/aEtwi3b5E_g

Not to mention the G17 is currently the 2nd best performer on MAC's retarded reliability test.

The polymer is just a thin layer over what is essentially a steel magazine to keep the mags from fucking up the mag well and to help them drop free. The mag well on my m&p is a little chewed up by the all metal mags it uses, not so on the Glock.

It's a non issue.

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>>32182879
>No argument, just salt
>Retarded grunt uses gun as hammer
This would break your glocks and didn't break your m9 ;^)

Someone's mad they flinched on pistol qualification day but forgot the slide safety was engaged

>>32183915
Your video is of a guy putting the mag in ONE TIME after cleaning it off a bit. I didn't say it wouldn't work when wet, the mags have an issue seating and dropping when muddy or dirty.

If you have to see for tourself, do so. it's not a difficult test, but do it multiple times ffs.

>>32182879

Yet the 92FS is such shit it beat out H&K, Sig, S&W, Walther, Colt, Star, Steyr, Ruger and FN.

Using factory magazines, it runs like a raped ape. I've had to send four out of 10 Glocks back to Smyrna for out the box issues.

>>32182532
Is po7 good?

>>32178016
I'd say so. I have a 17 trade in that I've beat on for about 7 years now, and aside from the slide releasing when I insert a fresh mag it runs fine.

I also have a 23 that was my carry gun, no complaints other than it's kind of a bear to shoot.

>>32183862

Dude, Glock magazines are really not the best out of current mags. They are overly large, mag catch will eventually get fucked, and there are legit issues with 10 round G19 magazines.

>>32182899
Caught me. I think if you have a hammer gun, you should carry cocked and locked like a 1911 for optimal, consistent trigger pulls. All of there guns have a decocker instead.

Again, all of the worst, none of the best, at 3xs what a pistol should cost.

SIG can suck it.

>>32183609
If only this were a bit longer it'd be a good copypasta.

>>32183075
I will only do that if the aftermarket for arex zero 1's start getting night sights and other things you can do with them and maybe just a decocker version with no safety would be awesome too

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just got a brand spanking new beretta PX4 storm grandfathered down from the old pops, does anybody else have the same gun and do they like it?

It seems like it has taken a while to get pistols distilled to their "final form" almost or "convergent evolution". The same stuff happened with revolvers much quicker. Since the early 1900s most of the innovation has been in materials and metallurgy allowing smaller, more powerful guns that are lighter without much changing their actual function.

>>32182935
how is that pattern justified

I do not understand the thinking here

>>32184493
Rotating barrel=low percieved recoil, low muzzle flip

It's chubby, but as a duty pistol or iwb CC for the compact or subcompact the Beretta style controls and such are really ergonomic. Only thing I wish is for there to be higher capacity factory mags past 17

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>>32184131
yes

>>32183915
>Not to mention the G17 is currently the 2nd best performer on MAC's retarded reliability test.

the rex seems like a good gun. fuck.

>>32178724
What a shame it never went into production. I think it makes the gun look better.

>>32184647
What happened was that the Army did a test of a bunch of camo patterns in different environments. Then they decided that they wanted to cut costs by using a single camo pattern rather than 2-4 different ones. So they made a universal camo pattern by taking the existing, proven CADPAT/MARPAT screens, and recoloring it, using the three colors that scored the highest overall in their testing. Then they put it into production without testing it, made a few million of them, forced everyone to wear them, and then immediately realized that camouflage is more than just three arbitrary colors in an arbitrary pattern.