Name a better machine gun.

>>32177089
Why?

>>32177089
For what purpose?

>>32177089

that carrying handle at the top should be placed sideways for that Smart gun feel

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>>32177089
>Not 5.56 NATO/ 6.5 CTA
Oldfag please go.

>>32177157

what are the guns to left?

>>32177164
M110's with MLOK rails that was submitted for CSASS but lost to HK's G28E3

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>>32177170
>(((they))) got the inferior rifle desu

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>>32177089

>>32177089
OK
MG42

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This count?

if so then this.

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>>32177245
no, those are shit btw.

M240B

>>32177245

>belt fed skillpipe
>full auto noob tube

Muh dik

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>>32177089

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Bren

HK21E

PKM

>>32177245
>fully automatic shot glass and explosion factory

The FN MAG.

>>32177089
FN MAG

>>32177288

"full auto"

>>32177126
This. It's like they dont even give a shit anymore smdh

>>32177089
.303 Vickers

>>32177089
is that a MG-42? does any army still use it?

>>32177546
it's an MG3 with the proposed battle value improvement kit (Kampfwertsteigerung) installed

>>32177546
Mg3 is just a modernized mg42.

Why fix what's not broken?

>>32177594
The MG-3 uses 7.62×51mm NATO whereas the MG-42 uses 7.92×57mm Mauser, so I agree, why did they 'fix' it by lowering the cartridge used?

>>32177633
because "Muh NATO"

>>32177633
because they had to comply with nato and deal with the usa's bs over cartiges

>>32177560
instead we got the fucking mg4 which has now also been installed on the PUMA IFV


>A FUCKING 5.56 COAX ON AN IFV

>>32177633
>lowering
Is this b8?

If not because nato standardized cartridges, and because there is very insignificant difference between 7.62 x 51 and 8mm Mauser.

We should be using 30 06 desu 220 grain at 2500 fps vs 196 grain at 2600. :^)

>>32177731
the title of the thread says 'better gun', and there is no doubt that the mg-42 had devastating long range hitting power with its 7.92 Mauser, only to be out done by .50cal

>>32177546
I was a caretaker of one MG3 during my conscription in FDF. It's a good machine gun.

>>32177089
Too much crap on it. Theoretically a broadfield scope would be good for the first round, but the thing is that in the end you aim it with tracers.

You'll need the carrying handle. That thing gets hot pretty quick.

>>32177321
[desire for 4th Reich intensifies]

>>32177725
Ushi be modernizing your army

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>europoors finally have full adoption of standardized cartridges
>cuck them
kek

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>>32177321

>>32177901
And that thing will get even hotter much sooner.

Expect Inconel bolts and barrels. Expect at least double if not triple cost vs 240B.

>>32177782
What's more important than the power of each round, was its lunatic rate of fire.

>>32177089
No

>>32177330
Spandau.

>>32177905
nice MG-TuF you got there amerikaner

>>32178115
The case cost on this thing is basically nil compared to brass so the initial purchase won't be as horrid as it sounds over the long term. Most militaries don't buy shittons of beltfeds anyway but if this thing sees use we might see the obsolescence of mag fed assault rifles.

LSAT is worth it either way as this is the next step in small arms.

>>32177330

God this guy couldn't be more wrong about MG's if he tried.

>>32178425
Ok, nothing against LSAT project. But it will have overheating problem due to caseless ammo.

When you eject an empty cartridge you also eject substantial amount of thermal energy dissipated in said empty cartridge. At worst case you need bolt and barrel made of superalloys like Inconel or similar. Very difficult materials to machine in a reasonable manner.

Ramping up such an industry in a large scale small arms manufacturing will be an expensive pain in the ass. At the moment there are no such facilities.

MG-34.

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>>32177089

>>32178425
>>32178785
>we might see the obsolescence of mag fed assault rifles
(forgot to add)
Could be, or new weapons with mags will be like G11 or P90. Maybe even helical mags will see new evolution now when the caseless cartridge is perfectly cylindrical.

>>32177224
That is a MG42 dumbass

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>>32178856
>being this retarded

>>32178843
If you really want to push things to the future you could just build guns out of supermaterials that can handle shit like caseless ammo that uses C4 or similar high explosives as propellant, that would also fix the cookoff issue pretty handily as far as I'm aware.

I wonder if ETC tech works with High explosives.

>>32178971
Materials science and it's practical applications (including advanced manufacturing) are absolutely in, and sometimes the only game in town.

Not because it's cool and scifi and sales slogans, but because you genuinely need it to keep your people alive.

In the case of firearms you can't anymore solve your issues by adding more iron around the hole. As much I respect The Bearded Browning, The Smooth Stoner and... The Kraut-inspired Kalashnikov, the World must go on. The engineering credo is optimization. It means that finally we are taking non-linear modelling and testing seriously. No construction engineer by default wants to do that, but we have to.

>C4 or similar high explosives as propellant

RDX simply shatters chamber, bore and bullet. High explosives are based on their hypervelocity particle speed production, which shatters things. They have a minor volumetric gas production.

In firearms propellant application, you need especially (highly controlled) volumetric gas production and minimum amount of chamber/barrel/bullet eroding particle production from a propellant.

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>>32177089

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>>32177089

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Spain did it best.

>>32179279
So if High explosives are out, ETC might still work for fixing the caseless cookoff issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology

It seems like you could hit an ignition temperature so high that only the ETC plasma catridges can ignite the propellant, making cookoff impossible outside of insane situations.

And even outside of caseless ammo ETC still seems like a really neat bit of tech.

>>32179279
So brass cartridge is good because it both takes the heat which you then eject, and it's insides takes the beating from the charge explosion.

I wonder if this is the reason why HK almost sunk back then when they were developing G11.

Overheating and chamber erosion because of caseless ammo.

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Don't mind me, just the lightest, hardest hitting and most reliable GPMG ever developed back in the 60s.

What's that? With all the new faggot alloys and CNC you still can't make a better weapon? Psh.

>>32179442
HK's issues in the 80's weren't really because of the G11, they had too much staff, decentralized production despite not being at war, didn't listen to the desires of the end user, and had a "Not invented here" syndrome going on that caused them to skip picking up the Glock design of all fucking things.

>>32177321
Mien bratwurst

>>32179421
We don't know yet how it is. But what we know is that in closed or semi-closed systems (like guns), if there is excess heat, it must be taken care of for longevity of acceptable performance. Things are essentially very simple, yet simultaneously something that sometimes drives both highly educated and perfectly sane people into long term therapy.

>>32179442
Yes for brass cartridge.

About HK, they are not telling. But I guess heads may have rolled on the floor.

>>32179500
The stuff they had also wasn't suited to swapping over to 5.56 NATO, what they could make, the HK33 and G41, were poor competitors to the M16 / M4.

HK pretty much survived a bunch of dumb decisions via the MP5 being amazing, but even that was ending with a desire to swap to intermediate caliber carbines instead of SMGs showing up in the late 80's.

>>32179500
Damn, personal experience?

NIH kinda implied that, and the fact that Germans are fundamentally pro polymer chemistry and engineering plastics/composites.

>>32177245
>guy, guys, hey guys
>how about... a machinegun... that shoots grenades

And so the Mk18 was born, and it was glorious.

I always found it neat when armies still have remnants of their WW2 equipment in some capacity or another.

>>32179602
And so the poster mis-typed a single character, and it was glorious.

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>>32179588
Nah, There's a really good set of images and such made by Jim Schatz, who worked at HK for two decades and got to see all this stuff happen from fairly high positions.

http://static.hkpro.com/straightgrain/docs/TheHKDecades.pdf

I am very jealous of a man that got to play around with the CAWS and other fancy prototypes.

>>32179633
Thanks anon.

>I am very jealous of a man that got to play around with the CAWS and other fancy prototypes.
Count me in.

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>>32179616
Then you will like this.
>Soldiers of Madagascar’s army in 2010, armed with WWII-era MAS-36 rifles

Link: https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/post-wwii-use-of-the-mas-36-rifle-part-ii-export-users/

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>>32179463
just posting the superior version
still lighter than any NATO counterpart though

>>32179958

>Always chop off the rail you don't need

Broad field scope not detected. You can't keep your sight picture with that scope in full auto. You need tracers.
>t. former FDF MG3 operator.

Where are your tracers? You have none?

You are not a machine gunner.

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>>32180091
How do you explain the widespread adoption of elcan sights for MGs?

>>32178894
>being this retarded

>>32180283
Campaign contributions.

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Ultimax 100

>>32177089
Don't they already have names?

>>32179389
Kek

>>32177157

The Spanish Ameli is basically an MG-42 scaled down 30% in size and chambered in 5.56

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<- That, apparently.
Danefag here. We're replacing the MG3 with the M60E6 now, after it beat out the H&K MG5. Kind of interesting, since the burgers themselves gave up on the M60.

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>>32179958
>superior version
>rimmed
>no QC barrel
Un-fuck yourself

>>32180465
>The Bob, Wong and Frida light machine guns

>>32180492
>Denmark
Guess they don't want the Hajis to get too good of equipment when they inevitably take over Denmark.

Tjing tjang tjing.

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>>32180493
> QC barrel

that would be the 6P69 Pecheneg-SP

>>32180521
Still using an ancient cartridge. UKM > PKP

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>>32177321
Dick status:

MUH [x]
Not MUH [x]

>>32180283
I was issued with one as my personal MG3 and I simply took it off to distract my view.

Iron sights were more than enough with Lapua tracers burning up to 100 meters and from there it just was a observation where the rounds ended up. And that's it.

Have you ever fired a scoped machine gun of any type? How's the sight picture?

No guys switching LMG to full auto in this world will ever resort to an optical scope, nor to any theoretical reasoning regarding the situation to survive.

>>32180561
Pretty much this, Optics are for LSWs and heavy machine guns

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>>32180532
UKM 2000 is just a PKM chamber for 7.62x51 and using disintegrate belt

it is still a pull feed machine, not the superior push feed design

>>32177126
>carrying handle

That's not a carry handle its a barrel change handle

>>32180513
>Hadjis taking over Denmark
Can't. Too cold and wet for them.

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>>32180692
you are not familiar with the mg 3 are you?

The reason that the MG-42 can handle such a high rate of fire is that the shoulder stock is in line with the barrel so there is no barrel flip when firing. I cant understand why so few SMG's have picked up on that

>>32178971
>>32179279
Not to mention c4 is a rediculouly stable explosive. It require more heat and compression to set off than a normal primer can hope to achieve.

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>>32180771
>The reason that the MG-42 can handle such a high rate of fire is that the shoulder stock is in line with the barrel so there is no barrel flip when firing.
you are new to /k/ do you

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>>32177321
wew lad that's sexy

>>32180692
It's actually both
Did I just blow your fucking mind?

>>32180745
Even us Norwegians dont want that foggy sandbar

>>32177245
Would you like a biscuit to go with all that jam?

>>32181053
Looks like its attatched to the forward frame, not the barrel. Would make it kinda hard to extract the barrell that way

>>32178856
That is a mallninja pos that used to be a MG42

>>32182719
Lube it and actually pay attention to the belt feed and they're fine.

>>32179463
literally no handguard

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>>32177321
wolfenstein-tier

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>>32177089
not better, but wew optics

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>>32178395

>The development of the .50 BMG round is sometimes confused with the German 13.2 mm TuF, which was developed by Germany for an anti-tank rifle to combat British tanks during World War I. However, the development of the U.S. .50 caliber round was started before this later German project was completed or even known to the Allied countries.

rip ur butt

The US did look at a German cannon and ammo to get some idea about how to make the BMG, it is its own, superior round tho

>>32177321
>those rail mounted flip up sights
wew

>>32177157
I like the concept of th Knights LMG, but I think they really fucked up by not giving the operator anywhere to grab the barrel when doing a hot change.

>>32178843
Self Consuming ammunition cassettes. Caseless ammo, pressed together in bricks which is consumed by the weapon as it fire was a concept dabbled with. Completely removes the magazine altogether.

>>32184412
Your right
>*That was an MG42 dumbass

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>>32177089
Op your looking at the true best.

>>32181053
Well its wrong, so no...

>>32180692
Have you ever been within 50 feet of a MG3?

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>>32177321

>>32177245
>FORTYMIKEMIKE

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>>32178827
>>32180492

it's just not the same without the old style heat shield

>>32177930
Post a good MG not a shitty meme.

>>32190702

it's a fucking cannon anyway

and the Goalkeeper CIWS is better than the Phalanx in any case.

>>32187503
so where's the barrel changing handle if that's not it? either it's a shit design and doesnt have one or it's got a 2nd handle somewhere and is a shit design

unless M240, 249, M60, and PKM have been doing it wrong all these years

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>>32190801
pic related is the mg3 barrel changing handle.

>>32179279
caseless MGs need fluted chambers and compressed gas injected around the chambers.

>>32177930
That's a cannon.

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>>32190801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N59msUnyy1g
At about 0.45.
Works like a charm if you a) have the heat-resistant glove, or b) have >>32190887
Barrell fits in the little box in pic related.

>>32184480
This!

Drown that bitch in lube and she'll run!

>>32178707
>This guy couldn't be more wrong about MG's if he tried
This guy couldn't be more wrong about most things, if he tried.

Fixed it for you.

>>32177330
>>32178249
>>32178707
>>32191511

guys remember to put your spandau on a tripod so it will do more damage thanks to the reduced rearwards movement

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>2017-1/12
>not posting pic related
i'm ashamed of you /k/
you used to be cool

>>32177321
>it gewehrs maschinens

>>32186901
THICC

>>32186880
>not knowing what an MG3 is on /k/
gtfo

>>32191830
>navah been dun befoe

>>32180745
it's already well over 5% Mudslime.

>>32177245
Have you ever even shot one of those? The Mark 18 sucks. Constantly Jams.