What the fuck happened to Ukraine/Novorossiya?

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nothing has happened.
Nothing is going to happen.
Its a meat grinder made to sell weapons to young men looking to fight.
It'll either become a unrecognized status quo or collapse and peace out.

The fighting is still sporadic. Mostly flares up when Ukraine, the EU, or the US do something that Russia doesn't like.

But that's all a coincidence, I'm sure.

Recently there were some rocket tests that the Ukrainian government did, which the Russians freaked out about. This was in response to the Russians amassing troops near the border.

The L/DNR militants occasionally attack the Ukrainian troops and vice versa.

There's a lot of fog of war and the information that filters out is usually heavily propagandized, which means that it's very difficult to trust anything. Having lived in Ukraine for a couple of years, I'm less inclined to believe the Russian side of things because I saw the kinds of brazen propaganda they put out in 2014.

>>32175911
>Having lived in Ukraine for a couple of years,
Having been there, you must have been witness to the political storm brewing up to it.
I've heard half the reason the Ukrainian government isn't beating the rebels is that the Ukrainians themselves don't like/trust the Kiev government.
How much is this true, and what has it factored in?

>>32175938
There's a theory that the protests/revolution in 2014 was the beginning of an ongoing anti-government movement that today is manifested in the so-called volunteer organizations - being a /k/ommando, I'm sure you've heard of Azov, but there's much more to it than that.

The volunteers supply materials, medicine, intelligence, and supplies. They've taken on a limited number of governmental functions and sort of function as a "people's army", faggy as that sounds.

These volunteers are supported and trusted by around 80% of the average citizens, as opposed to only 8% trusting and supporting the government.

The legacy of the USSR means that anyone in official power is perceived as (because 95% of the time they are) corrupt.

That's the situation, more or less, on the ground there now.

>>32175938
I mean Kiev is run by a bunch of insane CIA plants. With communists and straight up national socialists in the government.

The war's pretty much a stalemate, which defaults to Novorussiyan victory because they're seccessionists.

>>32175967
There was a Communist Party and a far-right nationalist party before 2014. The communists, by the way, have been banned.

The idea that it was all a CIA plot is only believed by the Russian media and idiots.

>>32175987
Supported by the CIA, if nothing else. Literally a win-win situation for the US and lose-lose for Russia, even if they managed to damage control by taking Crimea back.

>>32175996
who exactly was supported by the CIA? Because I was there when the protests were happening, and I'd be very interested in hearing you tell me who was getting all this American aid people keep talking about.

>>32175987
>biased

Ukraine in their actions during the coup de etat in 2014 and right now is heavily influenced by CIA and/or NATO influence (remember lots of high-ranking EU officials during the ocup in Kyiv), whoever denies that is under the influence of Ukranian propaganda or just an idiot

>>32176008
>>>/pol/

>>32176008
>CIA = NATO = EU

This is your brain on krokodil.

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>>32176006
None of the protesters for sure. The snipers shooting at police and protesters though are a bit suspect. It's a good way to destabilize protests by shooting at both sides.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31359021

>Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations. We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/12/07/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine

I was following it all on livestreams, how was it in person? To what lengths did you take part in the protests? Did you take part in the clankening?

>>32176031
Just because the snipers were suspect doesn't mean it was CIA. It could just as easily have been FSB (note: not saying that it definitely was, just offering other possible explanations).

It was batshit in person. Lots of smoke, chaos, and shouting. There's something pretty metal about standing behind a barricade of burning tires and throwing rocks at the cops, though.

I got the fuck out when the actual shooting started. Not proud of it, but it's wasn't really my fight. I did take part in the protests though. I first went there at the very beginning, then sporadically afterward.

Seeing the Lenin statue fall was cool as well. Something inspiring about it.

>>32175877
there's no such thing as novorossiya

Which side has the Dragunovs?

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>>32176055
>It could just as easily have been FSB
Yes, could have, but how would Russia benefit from Euromaidan turning into a coup? I guess if they wanted to take Crim completely for themselves at the cost of losing the rest of Ukraine in their sphere of influence. Seems a tad expensive with the sanctions though, considering they could have just kept the status quo on going.
On the other hand the US would benefit simply by decreasing Russian influence even further, since they're clearly still capable of messing up US/CIA operations, like in Syria, where Russia saved the SAA from destruction, turning around the civil war.

>>32176085
I think you're underestimating how symbolically valuable Crimea was to the Russians and how unexpected the stalemate in Donbas was.

It's not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be - especially since after the police beat up protesters at the very beginning, there was no way of maintaining the status quo.

>>32176106
No, there's simply no gain for Russia to start shit up in Ukraine.

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>>32176106
It might be symbolically valuable, but are the benefits of de-jure ownership of that soil worth the costs? Any idea how the Russian media reported on taking the peninsula?

>>32176114
The retaking of Crimea skyrocketed Putin's approval ratings.

The creation of an enemy on your doorstep is an excellent source of national unity.

The creation of even more unrecognized republics cements your position as a world power that is not to be fucked with.

You challenge the EU.

There are plenty of things to gain.

Note: this does not mean it wuz all rushn plot. It just means that the knee-jerk reaction of "muh CIA" and "muh Soros" is a simplistic way of looking at it.

>>32176114
Crimea is not a gain?

>>32176125
Crimea is home to one of Russia's largest ports.

It is a strategic asset

>>32176125
this
>>32176133
and the Russian media peed themselves in joy for months and months after Crimea was annexed. It made Putin, who was already super popular, even more so. Sevastopol is valuable as a warm-water port and has been since the late 19th century.

>>32176132
>>32176133
No, the gains are just reactions to a loss.

Ukraine used to belong to Russia, now it's just Crimea.

>>32176133
>Crimea is home to one of Russia's largest ports.
>It is a strategic asset
Yes, but they already had ownership of that port and that's what I'm wondering about; whether or not Russia had a hand in destabilizing the protests into open riots for the sake of gaining that soil, or did they simply take the chance to claim Crimea before they lost Ukraine from their sphere of influence completely, for other reasons.

>>32176146
>and the Russian media peed themselves in joy for months and months after Crimea was annexed
Trying to hide the fact they finally lost Ukraine to the West?

>>32176151
You are going to lose ukraine.

Do you lose crimea with it, or take it from them?
So, you choose to take it.

Whats easier, takeing it from a fragmented goverment, or a unified one?
Its pretty cut and dry.

>>32176169
That's a lot of assumption, when it's easier to say the West destabilize Ukraine while Russia tries to save Crimea due to its strategic importance.

The EU and Soros involvement in the Maidan is undeniable.

>>32176175
>>>/pol/

>>32176181
Oh so it's okay to say the FSB is behind it, but blaming the EU and Soros means you are /pol/, gotcha.

>>32176169
But the Euromaidan was a vastly anti-government and pro-West movement, was it not? How and why would Russia start and support such a thing simply so they could lose their influence on that nation?

>>32176181
Different anon, but DC leaks emails do imply very extensive Soros involvement. Say what you will about the group, they're probably Russians or similiar, but I've yet to have seen anyone actually deny the authenticity of those, or any of the leaked US gov emails.

>>32176190
literally and unironically yes

You seem to be forgetting the various secret services run by EU states or other regional powers.
Getting a few gun men into and out of a position in a semi destabilized state doesn't take a high end service.

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>>32176199
Yeah, but it's easier to blame the CIA, since they've been doing it for half a century now. Any European groups are too spooky for public knowledge and recognization.

>>32176205
>The USSR never did any military interventions
ohohohohoho

>>32176198
Oh well, what can I say? Truth doesn't fear investigation.

>>32176195
Russia didn't start and support the movement, that wasn't what was said.

They supported the violence, which was a couple of people and a couple of days at the end.

>>32176181
Soros by his own admittion is a funder of "movements of change".
He might not be so cynical about the motives as us. But a green back is a green back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSyczwuTQfo

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>>32176214
>whataboutism
>misunderstanding the argument completely

>>32176221
And evidence of that?

They have no gain in supporting the violence against a Russian-friendly regime.

>>32176220
Truth does fear bullshit, though. Or at least it should

>>32176195
>But the Euromaidan was a vastly anti-government and pro-West movement, was it not?

A means to an end is all i see. Reminder that ISIS is anti west. Funny how all that happened after ukraine.

Makes you think.

>>32176205
it's almost like a secret service in charge of promoting a super powers foreign interest is doing it's work

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>>32176221
Yes, I suppose they could have. Though why exactly would they have done that? If Ukraine was going to fall anyway, why not just swoop in and claim Crimea? Why destabilize it further, only to serve Western influences?

>>32176239
Did I imply anything else?

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>>32176230
>the CIA musta done it because they destabilize foreign goernments!
>other people also destabilize foreign governments, doesn't mean it was CIA
>WHATABOUTISM!
>>32176231
evidence? This entire thread is speculation. The idea of FSB involvement was first advanced as another possible explanation, not as a factual account

>>32176232
And I speak no bullshit.

>>32176254
>WHATABOUTISM!
Oh, so you didn't just misunderstand the argument, you're actually retarded.

>>32176244
You imply the CIA is the only one is been doing that. The KGB has been "inspiring" people's revolutions all over the world.

A weak ukraine is great for a russia that wants clay. A strong one is bad. How it gets weak is irrelevant.

>>32176244
A weak government is a government that it's easy to take things from

>>32176254
Well then this speculation does not mean sense.

This is as retarded as calling the ruskies funding ISIS.
>>32176238
ISIS is funded to destabilize Syria, Iraq, which are now Russian-friendly regimes, funnily enough.

They never touch Saudi Arabia, Jordan or Israel.

>>32176260
>A weak ukraine is great for a russia that wants clay. A strong one is bad. How it gets weak is irrelevant.
No. How is it good for Russia to completely lose Ukraine from its sphere of influence to the West?

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>>32176265
And Euromaidan did not actually weaken the government yet. They were busy rioting and fighting with the police.

>>32176271
>How is it good for Russia to completely lose Ukraine from its sphere of influence to the West?

That was happening either way.

>>32176258
no u
>>32176271
sphere of influence =/= outright ownership
>>32176269
it makes about as much sense as the speculation about "muh Soros" that everyone else is throwing around
>>32176255
then it must have been someone else

>>32176285
>That was happening either way.
Which has nothing to do with the claim that it's somehow good for Russia.

>>32176260
>>32176265
Except the strong government is in line with Russia, it doesn't have to get clay if said clay is its own backyard.

The success of the maiden forced Russia's hand.

>>32176281
>And Euromaidan did not actually weaken the government

Wew laddy

>>32176286
Soros involvement is not speculation.

>>32176288
oh for fuck's sake, can't you read? Jesus, this question has been answered in this thread a thousand fucking times

>>32176226
Soros literally funds every pro-democracy movement on the planet. That doesn't mean shit.

That's like saying Bill Gates controls AIDS because the Gates Foundation gives to every AIDS research group on the planet.

>>32176292
Note the "yet" right after what you quoted.

>>32176297
Yeah, no.

>>32176288
If a western ukraine is inevitable, a weak one is the far preferred choice.

>>32176299
So Soros has a hand in destabilizing every non-democracy countries on Earth, and some democracies too.

>>32176302
see
>>32176169
>>32176133
>>32176132
>>32176106
you fucking simpleton

>>32176308
Which is what the civil war is for. Eastern Hohols (and small green men) fighting against the Western, pro-Euro Hohols, who were in Euromaidan in the first place.

>>32176269
>ISIS is funded to destabilize Syria, Iraq, which are now Russian-friendly regimes, funnily enough.

Yet the idea of a false flag "pro west" coup that just so happens to fall exactly in line with russian strategic interests is foreign.

>>32176308
Let's destroy this argument because a western Ukraine is gonna be weak either ways.

You think the russian-friendly regime is gonna hand the government down without a fight?

>>32176319
>you fucking simpleton
Losing Ukraine is not the same thing as gaining Crimea. Did you have a vodka enema or something?

>>32176320
But due to the violence of Euromaidan the government was caught flat footed to deal with said insurgency.

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>>32176114
>government votes to cozy up to Russia instead of the West
>people protest because they want that Western standard of living
>police come out and beat the protesters with iron rods
>it becomes a riot, fist-fights with police, etc.
>eventually the cops start just shooting the protesters

>"ethnic russians" decide to rebel against the clearly cruel and pro-Russia government by fighting to make a Russian territory out of the eastern part of the country

>definitely because of the Ukrainian police brutality though, right.

The only fucking thing out of place here is the Russian separatists.
How do you go from
>Ukraine Gov says fuck you to pro-Western protesters
>cops attack said protesters and everyone is angry

to
>fuck Ukraine gov! we become Russia now!

Surely they aren't angry about the Ukraine gov's treatment of those against their political leanings? This scenario is retarded, but it's apparently what actually happened.

>>32176316
If you think a few million is all it took to bring down Ukraine, you have your head up your ass.

The amounts of money he donates are statistically not big enough to do anything. He gave 300k to Black Lives Matter, and people think he controls BLM now. It's asinine.

>>32176321
It is foreign because Ukraine is already a russian-friendly regime.

The maiden coup cut Ukraine away from Russia.

>>32176323
>Let's destroy this argument because a western Ukraine is gonna be weak either ways.

100% false. Peaceful/bloodless coups happen all the fucking time. Look at egypt.

Kind of hard to trust the opposition when they are killing cops.

>>32176332
That's millions compared to Putin's nothing.

>>32176332
$300,000?

So 10 paid protesters for a whole year at 30k/year?

Or 20 for half a year? perhaps 40 for 3 months? etc.

>>32176339
Putin's nothing? Putin was dumping hundreds of millions into the pockets of Ukrainian politicians for years.

>>32176335
>It is foreign because Ukraine is already a russian-friendly regime.

It was going inexorably west for decades. The maiden coup secured russian hold on crimea.

>>32176338
Egypt coup had Clinton and the West hands all over it.

>>32176341
Right, except /pol/ thinks that 300k supports any and all BLM protests. Just like the idiots on here think a few million from Soros funded Maiden.

>>32176339
Whaaaaooooooo.

You drank the coolaid, my man, if you think russia has not been dumping money to keiv for decades.

>>32176331
Not really, the eastern separatists do not accept the outsting of the old government, and they deem that they are oppressed by the ukrainians, thus they declare themselves independence from Ukraine.

>>32176344
And?

>>32176357
Most of them were bused in from Russia after Maiden.

>>32176342
>>32176354
Putin dumps money to keep the ukie govt friendly with him.

Soros dumps money to fund pro-western groups.

Now where are the links between Putin and the maidan?

>>32176327
Except that Crimea had its own riots and protests for and against independence, with local governmental forces supporting the Russian troops.

>>32176362
And it's a sign that the West is destabilizing regimes, not Russia.

>>32176367
>Now where are the links between Putin and the maidan?

The fact that the maidan seemed tailor made to give putin everything he wants from ukraine.

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>>32176364
>local population, including politicians were bussed in from Russia

>>32176367
Soros didn't donate enough cash to be statistically significant.

>>32176343
The euromaidan actually violently ousted the russian-friendly government actually.

The Crimea takeover is a reaction to that, to Russia losing its final hold in Ukraine.

>>32176380
Yeah, you know, except Ukraine, which coincidentally landed in the West's hands instead.
Funny, what a coincidence.

>>32176374
Now whos doing whataboutism?

Do i have to start posting russian backed coups to really get this shitposting party started?

>>32176357
What does that even mean?

That there is another group in the East that doesn't want to be part of Ukraine or Russia?

Assuming they are just taking advantage of the conflict to fulfill their own agenda, it still doesn't have much to do with the original participants.

>>32176380
Not really, Putin wants Ukraine to keep buying gas from Russia.

Crimea is something Putin cannot lose.
>>32176384
And he still donated more than Putin's nothing.

>>32176374
russia a good boy he dindu nuffin
he was on his way to church and then randomly happened to take over a bunch of extra territory that he didn't even want

>>32176388
You know what a ukraine without its eastern factorys and crimea is?

Useless to russia.

The fact that you wont even accept the possibility tells me that we might be on to something here.

>>32176380
Why would Putin fund Maiden?

Putin was caught off guard that Ukrainians were sick of being controlled by Russia, and he reacted to the situation to make sure Ukraine would stay destabilized.

Ukraine was still a major manufacturing hub for Russian military hardware and where a ton of R n D was done for it as well. A stable, prosperous Ukraine that is part of the west is a threat to his power.

>>32176393
The group in the East is loyal to the russian/russian-friendly regime, and they do not accept the change of government in Kiev.

A lot of berkut from the Old regime also joined force in the East too.

>>32176396
>all of Putin's money is publicly traceable

>>32176396
Are you seriously saying Putin didn't spend the last 20 years buying off Ukrainian politicians?

>>32176390
No, please post some modern Russian-backed coups.

inb4 Trump

>>32176399
>eastern factorys
Oh, Ukraine has no other factories in its entire country? The tiny war-ravaged region that's currently fighting is worth more than intact industry?

>>32176401
>Why would Putin fund Maiden?

Again, to destabilize ukraine; for the purposes of easy territory gain.

Also, he does not even need to fund it. Plant a few agents in the Euromaidan to heat things up, kill a few cops, agitate. Police have been known to do this around the world.

Pay a few pro gubbment cops to off a few protesters, etc.

Shit gets out of control.

Bam, weak ukraine.

>>32176407
If you are using that logic, you can use it on Soros & the EU.
>>32176409
Yes, to be friendly to him, not to fund the maidan.

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>>32176403
So the actions the Ukraine government made weren't pro-Russia enough for them?

What a cluster-fuck, it seems like they made a deal with the devil (Russia) and got fucked by Russia for it.

Should have cozied up to the West instead it seems.

>>32176420
Ukraine is already destabilized by the pro-west maiden, no need for him to come in.

Putin does not want a weak Ukraine, because a weak Ukraine will not buy his gas.

>>32176425
I don't know but you really need to follow the conflict.

Euromaiden chimped out and outsed the russian-friendly regime and installed a pro-west regime.

This doesn't stand well in the eastern part of Ukraine, which comprises of ethnic russians.

>>32176410
Montenegro.

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>>32176428
In what way was the Ukraine government change pro-West?

I thought the protesters were there protesting because they thought it was too pro-Russia?

One way or another though, this all started with the clash between protesters and the police as an excuse.

>>32176438
Ukraine government was having trouble in containing the pro-west protesters.

And in the final days, the pro-west protesters storm the parliarment and install a new pro-west government.

>>32176428
>Ukraine is already destabilized by the "pro-west" maiden, no need for him to come in.

That happened to fall in line with russian interests.

>>32176438
>I thought the protesters were there protesting because they thought it was too pro-Russia?
Yeah and they were succeeding. Yanukovych fled, the Euromaidans formed a temporary government that voted him out of power.

>>32176428
>Putin does not want a weak Ukraine, because a weak Ukraine will not buy his gas.

Actually, a weak ukraine would be forced to buy his cheap gas.

Holy shit.

>>32176442
>Losing Ukraine falls in line with Russia's interests
lol

>>32176452
Actually, not true.

Ukraine has survived one year without russian gas.

This is not what Putin wants.

>>32176454
gave them an excuse to balkanize up the eastern portion, right?

>>32176470
Not the one country that is supposed to be their backyard, no.

>>32175967
>I mean Kiev is run by a bunch of insane CIA plants.

t. Igor

>>32176470
No. They balkanized the Eastern portion because they lost Ukraine. It's damage control.

>>32176181
This >>>/pol/ redirecting is honestly fucking cancer.

Reserve it for when it's actually justified, not just when someone says something you don't like.

I used to be pro-NATO and ukraine until I realize how batshit retarded the ukrainians are.

Russians forever, bro, praise Givi.

RIP Motorolla.

>>32176488
It's sort of the same thing.

>want to balkanize eastern portion bc Merica won
>say "hey these " " ethnic russians " " will not stand for a pro-West Ukrainian government! they rebel now."

>>32176502
Well, they did rebel. Especially after the UKR army shelled them.

>>32176502
If the rebels are indeed all russian regulars, they would have failed by now.

Truth is the eastern ukrainians genuinely do not like the western government.

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>>32176331
>>"ethnic Russians" (with quotation marks)
What are they supposed to be, lizards?

>>32176521
I didn't claim they were Russian regulars.

>>32176331
It's simple, ethnic Ukrainians with Clankening are mad about their government, they don't want secession because they ARE Ukrainian.

Russians in eastern Ukraine can up and fight to leave the shitshow they have no ethnic/national obligation to.

>>32176529
Well, then these every day eastern ukrainians somehow beat ukrainian regulars.

>>32176545
The Ukrainian military was a pretty large joke, to be honest. Corrupt and incompetent, with troops not even being afforded proper gear.

>>32176560
>nation's military regulars lack "proper gear"

>still get matched by civilians

This isn't America we're talking about.

>>32176545
Those Ukrainian Regulars are terribly trained and equipped.
Supposedly, they are simply a terrible military that was gutted a few years prior to this, but that's just what I've heard, I don't have the numbers.

I bet that you have a sizeable amount of locals that are of course fighting, backed by Russian volunteers and money and equipment. In their mind, they're helping out their own, once the group declares they want to be in the Russian Federation, it's almost no different then fighting for your current homeland. When Texas fought for independence against Mexico, we Americans sent blatant volunteer soldiers from New Orleans and Arkansas and more.

>>32176579
Well, I know the berkut left for East Ukraine.

>>32176589
I read that the Crimea unit just went with Russia, but do you mean the Ukrainian one has been active in Donetsk/Luhansk regions?

>>32176616
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkut_(special_police_force)
On 25 February 2014 acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov signed a decree on the dissolution of the Berkut.[29] By then the force had become synonymous with police brutality for many Euromaidan protesters.[30] The force was dissolved four days after the opposition forces that had supported Euromaidan (they included Avakov) had taken control of the Ukrainian government.[10] In response to the disbanding, Russia started to issue former members of the Berkut Russian passports in the Crimean capital Simferopol.[31] On 21 March 2014 in Crimea, Berkut was still active.[32]

One of the armed separatist groups in Donetsk and Lugansk in June 2014 claimed to be composed of "more than 1000" former Berkut officers and other former servicemen and police officers.[33]

>>32176458
>"survived"

Each day brings ukraine to reality, it will have to buy russian gas like everyone else once the saudis deflation ends.

>>32176488
Its not damage control. They lost NOTHING. They gained total control of a strategic asset.

Its a total win for the russians.

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>>32176638
>They lost NOTHING

>>32176641
Maiden was a total win for russia.

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2S4 Tyulpan in Donbas.

>>32175965
I hope you're not comparing the average volunteer brigade to the fucking Azov idiots who ride around pretending not to be nazis (or is it the other way)?

>>32176681
They did lose an ally and gained another thousand kilometers of hostile border.
Newfags and putin shillbots who came after Maidan don't remeber how ukies used to be extremely pro russia before this all started.
Putin also lost any element of surprise against the west. Before Maidan the west was willing to ignore russias underhanded and illegal actions but the Crimean stunt has lead to all of Europe to rearm as well as alerting everyone to russias uncivilized and backstabbing nature.

>>32176326
lol nice topic change

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>>32176077
azov battalion goes hard with the dragunovs

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Wasn't there supposed to be a new winter offensive happening around now?

Also natalya a qt

Ukraine army PR guy needs to get paid more. Imean they are fuckin geniuses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzs_dYE6MjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYX7KVEtfLo

>>32177301
>21st century propaganda
It's fucking beautiful and I want more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyCD3LqfbJ8

>>32177358
I know you like that shit mang
https://youtu.be/KV7g_TA0DV8

>>32177301
God damn these are top notch

>>32175877
https://www.rt.com/news/368780-ukraine-missiles-drills-crimea/

Prepare yourselfs shit going down

>>32176496
>>>/pol/
Back to wench you cane

>>32177068
Sasha, is of your rifle a mummy? It is wrap like ones.

>>32175967
Novorossia is literally run by a communist party

>>32177774
>Grass roots moment

bahahahah holy shit that is rich

>>32177877
>RT
Literally nothing. Russian have been shelling Eastern Ukraine every day for the past two and a half years.

>>32175967
>Kiev is run by a bunch of insane CIA plants.
With communists and straight up national socialists
>Novorussiyan victory because they're seccessionists.

>>32177877

Where does Kiev get its S-300's from?

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>>32177301
Damn that is really good. They are catching up the the Russian made NovoRussia propaganda. About time.

>>32177301
Damn that was good Ukraine wins by a landslide. Russia needs to try harder and drop the cringy rap music.

>>32176008
What I find amusing with this CIA bullshit is how people think the CIA is a highly effective organization like in movies.

Meanwhile that's the organization that miserably failed to kill Castro, didn't prevent Duterte from going towards China, couldn't prevent China from stealing shitloads of technology (and are still failing at it), couldn't even get rid of Assad in Syria and so on. Yep, after all of this (and much more), we are to believe they somehow magically took control of the entire Ukrainian population. They couldn't take control of the Russian population though, that can't happen. Only the Ukrainian population, and turned them against good and blameless Russians. Because obviously Russia would never do anything to deserve the hate of their 'brothers'.

I swear crackpots never spend 5 seconds to even think about what they're saying.

>>32176024
kek

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>>32177966
They got it from the Soviets. They have large stockpiles that they keep updating. It will one day run out however it's a good deterrence.

In the upcoming testing they will also be testing out new GPS guided rockets. Nothing to fancy but would be really useful in the East if things start really heating up and they start using their rocket and missile systems again.

>>32177925
>>32177966
its real
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/01/ukraine-starts-missile-test-near-crimea-angering-russia.html

>>32177301
>shovel strike for motherland
when?

>>32177925

lol wtf are you talking about you underage kiddie

that is not true.

>>32178015
>What I find amusing with this CIA bullshit is how people think the CIA is a highly effective organization like in movies.

This the CIA is shit. If you actually look up interview of their leadership and former employees its incompetent as hell. It's still better and has more funding than all the other intel services but that's not saying a lot.

Did the CIA have a role in the Kiev uprising? Yea probably, they probably moved money around and made a bunch of phone calls. The CIA isn't some all powerful organization, its spread to thin now a days. The biggest external group that took part in the overthrow were NGOs, just like in the color revolutions. But at the end of the day they can only do so much because they aren't the ones in the streets.

In the Donbas the Russians actually sent in actual SF and units from the very beginning.

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>>32178037
>that is not true.

nice b8 m8

>>32178024

Yes I know it's real, that's why I asked where the missiles were coming from.

>>32178017

Thanks.

>>32175877
>Not asking for a political discussion
Where the hell do you think you are, kid?

>>32176843
>Newfags and putin shillbots who came after Maidan don't remeber how ukies used to be extremely pro russia before this all started.

there's still fuckload of ukrainians that are pro-russia, the russian speakers first and foremost.

you just seemingly can't grasp the simple concept of ukraine being inherently divided, before, during and after conflict.

>>32177913
Why yes, the ethnic Russians of eastern Ukraine do not exist! Nor do they have any reason to be upset with the Kiev government.

Kindred, I'm not saying I'm supporting them, I'm just saying that the rationale exists for why the locals are doing what they do.

>>32179016
the notion that the separatist movements are fully domestic is laughable, though

>>32177301
Why is it in English?

Also, who uses an axe to cut a loaf of bread?

>>32180931
Just as the fact the EUROmaidan is funded by Soros and the EU.

>>32178015
Well, they are not really effective, aren't they?

Their western Ukraine part is a joke.

>>32181010
Euromaidan wasn't one organization, it was a loose confederation of a lot of different organizations. Some of them definitely were funded by outside forces. But that's not the same as having the Russian military give you tanks

>>32180983

>Why is it in English?
probably to create a sense of sympathy from English speaking countries in the hopes of gaining more support

>Also, who uses an axe to cut a loaf of bread?those with shovels instead of knives

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>>32176150
>Ukraine used to belong to Russia

you have zero understanding of Ukrainians not living on russian borders...

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>>32175877
To many Maiden/Urk shills, thread is just a circle jerk about how much they hate Russians and their love of European cock at this point.

Hey ukrianebro, how accurate is this timeline of events?

http://pastebin.com/rKF3NBrB

I'd post it in the thread, but I think I'd be here all night fitting it into the text box.

>>32182737
This looks pretty decent, but I didn't read every single line, pretty unbiased account of things

>lose crimea
>losing syria
>lost your own election

must suck to be an soroscuck right now

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>>32183107
NOT YOU AGAIN!

>>32183196
Indeed it is and the butthurt is beautiful.

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Is it weird to love Russia but hate Novorossiya fags?

>>32183830
Why you think such?