PTR91 GI R

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>>32166079
Build an ar 10
> Lighter
> More available parts
> More accurate
> More reliable
> Doesnt destroy your brass
They are easy to build. Start with fullton armory barrel, upper receiver, and PSA 10 lower.
Never liked any PTR

Only poorfag PTR apologists will tell you to get a PTR.

If you like to reload your ammo, you will hate the PTR/G3 clones

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>>32166079
>Talk me out of buying one.
No.

>>32166117
How accurate is yours?

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>>32166249
2-3MOA with Hirtenberger Patronen-58 and MKE M80 ball.

If you want a modern .308 semi auto get an AR-10 or a Vepr. If you want a traditional .308 semi auto get an M1A. The PTR is heavier than all of them and eats brass.

>>32166079
It's pretty good, worth getting.

>>32166099
>>32166109
>>32166276
>muh brass
Get a buffer, brass is saved, reload like usual.

>inb4 but fluting

>>32166264
You could probably get even tighter groups with some nice match ammo.

>>32166276
>If you want a modern .308 semi auto get this 50-year-old design or this 60-year-old design
Kek

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>>32166299
>You could probably get even tighter groups with some nice match ammo.
Maybe, but I'm more concerned with the accuracy of the shit ammo I'm going to feed it on the regular.

>>32167419
You shouldn't expect to get better than 2-3MOA with .308 ball ammo, regardless of how good the rifle is. If that's what you're going to shoot the PTR will be just fine for you.

>>32166079
FAL>G3

>>32166079
If it's not about finding the cheapest rifle available, get the PTR 91 A3R for better handguard and paddle mag release.

>>32167525
G3>FAL

>>32167566
I'm kinda pissed those went up in price after the election. I was seriously considering selling my 2012 GI and buying the A3R. I want that paddle release!

>>32167525
Availability of good FAL rifles in the US is a bit sporadic, outside of DSA you'll basically have to find a used one or build one yourself, the latter which is it's own can of worms (some builds you can find used are a bit sketchy)

A good FAL goes for close to $2000, while the average PTR91 goes for $1000 or less.

>>32167622
That's why they call it the Poverty Tier Rifle
>>32167595

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>>32167662
Fucking phone

>>32167662
>Poverty Tier Rifle
that actually pretty catchy, but its not a Century CETME

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>>32167662
>Poverty
Look at this man; does this man look poor to you?

How exactly does the PTR eat brass?
Did the G3 have the same problems?

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>>32167713
>How exactly does the PTR eat brass?
Ejected cases get whacked against the lip of the ejection port putting a dent in the hot brass; chamber flutes can be scored into softer/thinner casings.
>Did the G3 have the same problems?
Yes.

>>32167703
Honestly, my main problem with it is it's not as ergonomic as the FAL.

>>32167807
Speak for yourself. Do you wear a size medium glove or something?

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>>32166079

>>32167865
>>32167703
OH NO WAIT! How is Trump going to work his rifle? I can't believe I never thought of this.

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>>32167874
reason 2

You missed the few-hundred-dollats-off black Friday deals, but look around. Maybe one still active.

I already had a PTR but it was a good day to buy if not.

>>32166079
>Talk me out of buying one.

That rifle isn't for prissy faggots like you, OP.

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>>32166079
They're pretty great rifles.

>>32167874
>>32167891
Cool, now post YOUR fal

>>32167865
No, I have fairly large hands, and I'm 6'2". I just don't like the charging handle all the way forward. The FALs charging handle is much nicer, in my opinion. It feels better in my hands.

>>32167622
>Find parts kit
>Get a Coonan Receiver
>Headspace and assemble
>????
>profit

I picked up an A3R a month or so ago. Still haven't gotten a chance to shoot it but I like the way it feels.

My only complaint is that on thew wide handguards, the 3-point sling clip will bite you in the knuckle when charging the gun if you are not careful.

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>>32167874
>>32167891
Carry handles make me hard
>>32168012
Not him, but this is my SA58

>>32167662
It's pretty good for it's price though.

It's not like a C308 or Century CETME, which are shitboxes.

>>32167751
Chamber flutes aren't so much a problem as it's the violent ejection, a port-buffer saves most brass.

If you tumble brass ejected from a G3 with a buffer you should see that it looks fine.

>>32167865
The G3 is not particularly lefty friendly.

>>32168031
How are Coonan receivers anyway?
I hear there were a few complaints from some people.

>>32166079

No. The PTR 91 is an excellent 7.62 rifle, especially the GI. PTR cut the flutes way deeper (or they bought a bunch of surplus barrels, I dunno) and pretty much solved the FTE issue.

It's hard to argue about the $1000 price tag when most every other quality rifle in that class run between $2-3k. I'm not inlcuding CETMEs or century fals here.

The only other negative is the ergonomics, which you can see isn't that much of an issue for a lot of people.

I've got both franken 91 based on a PTR receiver and a DSA fal. Both are great rifles, neither required a lot of tuning or aftermarket fuckery.

>>32168031
>find parts kit
>get a coonan lemon receiver
>dan coonan is an asshole so you have to find and pay a gunsmith to fix the shitty QC for you
>buy $400 worth of tools to complete the homebuild
>???
>deficit

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>>32168012
I'm but a poor college kid buddy, I shot one at a range last year and the ergos feel better than the PTR anyway.

>>32168121

You left handed devil spawn don't count.

>>32166099
Holy shit please stop posting you fucking idiot

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>>32166079
Do it.

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>>32167525
You sure about that?

>>32168124
Does anyone have a VEPR? How are the ergonomics and weight compared to the other battle rifles?

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>wood furniture on a PTR

>>32168450
>Believing the word of a retard like KKKarl.

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>>32168674
>KKKarl

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>>32168674
It's okay to be upset.

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>KKKARL

wait, /k/ doesn't like /k/arl now?

Sure is butthurt in here

>>32168660
this

Do you really need any other reason?

>>32166079
I'd definitely go with the GI model without the rail for the classic G3 look

You can always add a clamp-on rail but you can't take a welded rail off when you get tired of it.

>>32169474
I wish the ptr32 had a railless version too

Just a warning, steel mags are going to chew the fuck out of your magwell. I've already got a small gouge in mine from inserting them a few times.

Also where the fuck are all the steel clipped and pinned lowers?

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>>32169987
>Just a warning, steel mags are going to chew the fuck out of your magwell.
What? I've never heard of anyone having this issue before.

To answer your question, I'm pretty sure robertrtg had some recently and all the GI models come with them now.

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>>32170040

On one side it's just chipped at the powder coat. No big deal, the aluminum mags do that too. On the other, however, it's started to gouge where the forward tab hits the edge of the magwell. It's not enough to scratch up mags or hinder insertion so I'm not really concerned about it yet, but what you're seeing is the result of less than 30 mag changes. I'll be keeping an eye on it.

The GI models come with the pinless lowers. I'm after a painted metal lower that retains the ears and hides the shelf. I know robertrtg had them a few months ago so I'll wait it out.

>>32166099
> Lighter
Yeah
> More available parts
Kind of but not really
> More accurate
Not really
> More reliable
Ahahahaha haha no.
> Doesnt destroy your brass
Yeah

>>32166276
Ptr isn't heavier. Also, vepr isn't really modern. Neither is pretty much most semi autos <$2000

>>32166079
I've always wanted one myself but the cost of 308 always turned me off.
Are these worth it?

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>>32166079
I should have bought one over black Friday when they were $700

>>32170362
Define worth it? But for semi auto .308 are are a fun way to set money on fire.

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>>32170276
Huh interesting. Mine's got a little gouge there too. I guess I just never noticed it. I've done a lot more than 30 mag changes and haven't had any issues though. You're right about the GI lowers, I misread. I hadn't seen that rtg was out of stock though. I remember seeing some clipped/pinned lowers up for sale recently somewhere else but I can't remember where. I'll post if I find them again.

>>32170362
I'd say so.

>>32170399
>>32170412
And here I was saving for a SCAR.
Where's a good place to buy?

Just get a c308 for half the price

>inb4 century
The ptr and c308 uses parts kits sourced from the same place

>>32166079

I have one, and it's cool, but be forewarned that your optics choices are going to be limited. Outside of the H&K clamp and a few steel low profile rails there aren't very many good mounts for G3 style rifles that won't get bent apart by the 7.62 REAL FUCKIN NATO recoil.

>>32166079
halp!

If I slather my shotgun in CLP will the deer notice before I can shoot them?

Shooting one will result in two large holes. One in your target, one in your shoulder.

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>>32170365
Don't remind me, anon.

>>32166099
>namefag
>terrible opinion
>worst girl
wew lad

>>32170412

I mean I'm probably making a bigger deal out of it than it is. For all I know, every single g3/hk91/clone that's been used has the same kind of wear. I've never had another one in front of me to compare. As long as it doesn't get horrible I'll probably forget about it anyway.

I know bill springfield was doing conversions, and I suspect he was doing them for just about everyone, but he's apparently run out of metal lowers and doesn't know when he'll get more. I'll just shoot it and wait and see.

>>32170531
Please disregard the hunter trolls.
We seem to have the original hunter here though just a few posts up.

>>32170572
Thanks friend.
But it's not worth fighting them. They destroy threads if you call them out. Just let them be.
So where is a good place to buy something from PTR?

The AR-10 platform is literally meme tier, every company has proprietary parts and most of them are DPMS level quality that are never reliable weapons from the user standpoint

>>32170472
Speaking of optics choices, I've got an a3r that I've mounted an swfa 3-9x40 to with swfa high rings.
It doesn't want to group for shit.
I'm wondering if there are any better options for rings, or maybe a one piece mount. Problem is, all the one piece mounts ive seen are made for ar15s, so I'm not sure how well they'd hold up.
Anyone have any suggestions?

>>32170464
On the off chance that you're not trolling, PTR makes barrels and receivers for century. Everything else in C308s are from shitty old CETME kits. PTR makes almost all their own parts for PTRs.

>>32170611
While dpms is shit for 556 parts; their 308 is much higher quality

>>32166079
clunky, pain in the ass to clear jams, feels cheap, sharp edges everywhere that slice you open because its just literally folded sheet tin sheet metal, inaccurate, fucks up your brass if you reload, pain in the ass to clean the flutes in the chamber, and when flutes in chamber stay dirty it becomes a jammomatic.

i had one and sold it, was not impressed

>>32166079
>20 rounds/clip
>semi auto only
>ugly as fuck

>>32170679

not really

Not a bad choice, more accurate than an FAL. Building an SR-25 platform isn't a bad idea either. Love the HK-91 Platform though.

>>32166079
Best choice.

>cheap mags
>lots of surplus parts
>eats steel cased like nothing
>nice and "blasty"

Steel cased stuff is like 40 cpr. You can't reload .308 for much cheaper than that. Plus it throws casings like 30 feet. Hunting brass that far away sucks ass.

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>>32170743

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Get one of the F models and throw some nice glass on it and a bipod. They are great rifles; yes there are other options but if you are like me who always wanted a G3 for dat slap then you can't go wrong.

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>>32170362
They're about the best entrylevel battle rifle in the US right now, with $800~ for a basic model, common and cheap magazines (10 magazines is like nothing), good reliability and performance, a Cold War appeal, and generally easy to take care of.

If you're worried about the cost of shooting .308, you can get a port-buffer, which clips onto the receiver of the gun, right behind the ejection port, this piece will save the brass from getting mauled as it usually does when violently ejecting and dinging itself against the receiver, and will let you as a handloader reuse this brass.

.308 projectiles are pretty commonplace and can be had for reasonably cheap, and overall handloading can be economical and relaxing, put on a nice podcast or radioshow in the background (but do pay attention with your powderloads and seating the bullets) and get at it.

Reloading equipment will be a bit of an investment, but it'll pay for itself over time (a lot of it can also be used for various calibers)

>>32170464
A ptr is like $100 more, plus it isn' a total lump of shit.

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>>32170464
>Just get a c308 for half the price
Get half a rifle too.

>>32166079
Buy the non-r model, and get a claw mount for it. I'd rather pay 200+ more for a real claw mount, and have the option to take it off if I want.

>>32170276
Mine is dented to shit.

But, to be fair, i've shot several three gun matches (heavy metal) with my PTR.

>>32170700
>inaccurate.

Lol, k.

>>32171522
I have a GI-R and i'm getting an SC next for tacticoolness.

>>32166079
2 EZ, if you buy one from atlantic there is a solid chance that the sight will be canted. They had a bad batch go out the door and atlantic cannot be troubled to check them. Still have not found the time to send that shit back.

>>32166099
>More reliable
What

>>32173142
Really? When did this happen?

>>32168086
>It's not like a C308 or Century CETME, which are shitboxes
Uhh same gun dude, plus they are built by PTR.

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>>32168121
>The G3 is not particularly lefty friendly.
I overhand charge with my right hand and it is very effective. You will see a lot of retards trying to underhand charge it like an AK(Ian).

>>32173161
IDK but I guess there was a period of time where their laser bore sight machine they use to line up the sights for welding was off calibration. Not sure if they hired a welder that does not know shit about firearms or he was retarded. I have been trying to find the serial number range but no luck. If you do order request a sight that is not canted.

>>32173284
I ordered in June, but haven't shot mine yet.

>>32173177
No they aren't. See: >>32170661

>>32173307
If you have had it since June and never noticed your fine.

>>32173219
>retards trying to underhand charge it like an AK
Jesus christ, that didn't even occur to me.

It's easy as fuck to roll it as a lefty, and I can hit the mag release with my right thumb as I grab the mag (bought mine a year before they came out with paddle releases)

>>32173359
I haven't fired it though, i'll get out this weekend. I bought a bunch of new guns, and have been working with my garands a too much to get out with the PTR.

>>32167684
>>32168086
>tfw I almost bought a C308
>walked in gunshop to have them order it.
>749+tax
>started looking around a bit
>ohshit.jpeg
>Actual JLD PTR chillin there on the racks
>Is barely used
>$725


So, guess what i got.

>>32173074
holy fuck

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do it fgt

I have a 308 AR
I have 2 FALs
now I want a PTR

>>32170464
>C308
Yeah bro, I mean 6MOA is perfectly acceptable, right?

>>32170365
>you will never own a genuine G3SG1

wake me up

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>>32167876
CTR pls go

>>32168450
Thats because no mud in charging handle, i had to use my spit to warm it up after if froze. I'd still take it over FN meme

>>32173074
What's the story? And what happened afterwards?

>>32176389
>What's the story?
Proof round cracked the trunnion; inspector didn't catch it. First round from the customer blew the trunnion apart and launched the barrel downrange.
>And what happened afterwards?
IIRC Century offered to replace it but customer preferred to cut his losses and run.

>>32166079
Get it! With a vortex diamondback and 147grn handloads I can usually eek ~1moa out of mine. Also if you get your charge right, the brass will strike the wall of the case no the neck which does not impede reloading it in my experience. Though using say lake city or ppu nato brass certainly helps this.

>>32176534
Weird shit. Thanks anon.

>>32176534
Sounds like business as usual for Century.

Never buy anything from them they have built by themselves from the ground up, only their imports can be at all trusted.

>>32176574
Did you get the railed model?

newfag here, can you remove the paddle release from one of these and only use the button release?

>>32180062

You could probably buy a pre-paddle 91 from someone wanting to upgrade to a paddle release model.

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>>32180062
Sure, but why would you? If you want one without the paddle just buy one of the older models on Gunbroker or look for one used locally.

>>32175069
damn that's a beautiful sight,anon.

>>32166099
>Build
I don't want to build. That's what I pay companies to do for me.

>>32180453
>>32180439
It's due to California retardation, they don't make a bullet button for the paddle model. Would like to get one with an uncucked pistol grip and flash hider.

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>>32181290
They make a Cali-legal version (or they used to; not seeing their ban-compliant models listed on the PTR website any longer so maybe I'm wrong).

Atlantic Arms sells a lock for the HK-type paddle mag release that fits the MP5 and G3 it's available on each of their PTR's product page.

>uncucked rifle
>Kalifornia
Kek.

>>32166299
Buffers wreck the brass even worse. They put big fat dents in the side. You can reload the brass from non-buffered ejection. The biggest catch is the fact the brass is launched into the next county so your recovery rate goes down to about %50 if you shoot anywhere near grass.

>>32166276
>Modern 308 semiauto
>AR10

*rubs chin and sips sake*

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>>32181567
>Buffers wreck the brass even worse.
No they don't. Port buffers are a rubber pad that prevent the brass from getting dinged up on the metal receiver.

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>>32181567
>Buffers wreck the brass even worse. They put big fat dents in the side.

>>32181397
Bullet button guns are being reclassified as assault weapons on Jan 1st, Atlantic is selling the paddle release ones with a grip wrap and flash hider removed.

The way the law is written, you can take all the shit off a cucked rifle if you register it. Sadly, my old gun collection accidentally fell into a steel casting furnace by mistake but I'd like to get a new scary salt weapon to shoot in competitions.

>>32167525
FAL=G3

>>32181599
AR10s are pretty ok desu fampai

>>32182742
Absolutely it is, but it's still a 60 year old concept.

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>>32166079
no

>>32182978
It was definitely ahead of its time though. It's a shame the US Army went full retard and refused to develop it further to replace the M1 Garand.

>>32166117
I like your hurtin-burger ammo;) I've got a case as well

>>32166079
Actually I want one because they take steel cased ammo quite well and mags are dirt cheap while being real fuckin nato .

>>32166117
where do you get that bipod? ive been wanting to get a PTR 91 to make into a DMR

>>32183899
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-BIPOD-2p1.htm

>>32183948
neat. i might get a PTR after a few months of my new job. Bipod too, what optic should i get that can allow me to use the iron sights?

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>>32183899
Robertrtg

>>32183971
im a noob at picking gun parts, so if i got a barebones PTR 91 with a picatinny rail what would i need?

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>>32184002
No, the HK bipod only fits on wide HK handguards. You can get pretty much any other bipod you want with a picatinny rail though.

>>32184035
can that bipod fit on this? and what scope mounts would i need?

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ptr-gi-r-308-rifle-paddle-mag-release-detail.html?Itemid=0

>>32184075
No, you need a wide handguard. Look at those guys' PTRs. You can get whatever scope mount fits your scope.

>>32168195
fuckin hell this is my shit. Im more of a handgun collector but if I was gonna buy a rifle this would be the first Id buy.

>>32184103
maybe ill just get a PTR with a front rail for easy mounts

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>>32166079
>Talk me out of buying one

Kek you should ask someone else I just bought a second one.

>>32184855
I first was a GI-R, i'm planning on getting an SC this coming summer!

I'm going to put an A3 stock on it though for lolz.

>>32184865
I got the GI first as well, just bought the sc two days ago with 27 mags the sling the bayonet side rail attachments and a wide foreground plus 300 rounds for $1000. Immaculate inside.

>>32184976
Foregrip not foreground

>>32181290
you do realize that the bullet button is only good for another 30 days, right? After January 1st hits you would have to register it or fix the magazine in place if you want the flash hider and normal grip.

I'm torn between the PTR with rail and without. With rail I don't have to buy anything extra. Without and I can get the cool looking claw mounts or other rail mounts.

>>32184998
We have until 2018 to be compliant. Its just stores can't sell after the 20th (because of the waiting period)

>>32166099
>Tripfaggot using best girl to make a shitty fucking point

Goddamn this nigger needs a b&

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>>32166099
t. Asukafags

>>32166099
Stupid ass mw2 call sign fag

>>32185008
It depends on if you want to run an optic, or easily have a carry handle, port buffer, and generally be more aesthetic.

I got my ptr with a welded rail.

>>32185585
I'm surprised no one has ghetto rigged up a rail mounted port buffer

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>>32170743
>Clip
Mag

>Semi auto
I don't have $20,000 to blow on a full auto battle rifle, which is a pointless thing to have anyways

>ugly as fuck
Subjective. I get rock hard when I see one with the bayonet

>>>32166299 >>32168391 >>32170318 >>32170531 >>32173154 >>32181165 >>32185352 >>32185469 >>32185584
>fags
Get and stay get

>>32186904
Are you new here, son?

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>>32166079
I had the R model and hated the top rail. Ended up selling it for the standard version with the paddle release. The rifle is great for its price.

>pic related with other poverty rifles

>>32185008
IMHO, buy it without the rail and add a HK claw mount. I have a GI-K model, because I have a cold war fetish. The rail completely ruins the aesthetics for me.

>>32168121
>The G3 is not particularly lefty friendly.
I disagree. The only issue I have shooting mine lefty is that my hand will get bit by ejecting brass if it isn't forward enough. I actually find that the mag release is easier to use when shooting lefty, so I can reload much faster.