when making an army with limited budget (for example a third

>>32164164
Depends on your terrain

Exploiting space and cyber bugs.
A science team to make horrible dual usage technology.
>A san francisco startup
>fake ids
>front biz
>making drugs
>making cheap guns
>home made everything.
penetrate jails

>>32164164
Infantry. It's always infantry. Taking territory doesn't matter if you can't hold it, and no F15 ever occupied a city. Of course, people can't carry much more than 100 pounds for any distance so you'll need vehicles to carry weapons and ammo and armor and communications and everything that's needed to support your infantry.

>>32164193
I'd argue that once you get them up to a certain standard, it's more efficient to get stuff like artillery instead of continuing to improve them.

>>32164180
>making drugs
Thats....actually not a bad idea.

The cartels have made a budget almost the size of Britains just on Cocaine and Marijuana sales inside the U.S alone, that theyve created their own armies.

Why not a military like the Congo? Thats easy peasy, really.

>>32164193
Surplus ak74s
Toyota helixes
Chicom chest rigs
Rpgs,hand grenades,pkms,mortars

Just get the cheap effective shit

>>32164223
>no mention of body armor

have fun treating all those soldier because they got zipped once by 556 in the guys

>>32164278
>guys
guts*

The general rule for poor countries is that since pay is low, personnel costs are cheap, whereas anything you need to import (weapon systems, spare parts, and expertise) is expensive.

Therefore expensive, maintenance intensive weapon systems like fighter jets and tanks should be avoided unless your likely enemy has them in significant numbers. Most of your military will be made up of motorised infantry. Apart from those you should probably consider:

Cheap utility helicopters (eg Mi-8 / Mi-17), and better trained heli-borne infantry. In poor countries the transport infrastructure can be poor, especially in the rural areas where insurgents or armed criminals are likely. Well trained and motivated infantry and the helicopters to move them (and supply them) where needed fast is invaluable.

Wheeled AFVs. Much cheaper to buy and maintain than tracked vehicles, and in a low threat environment pretty effective.

Towed howitzers and simple rocket artillery. Fire support is invaluable to combat operations, and this is the cheapest way of doing it. Plenty of old Warsaw Pact and USSR military aid is available cheaply.

UAV reconnaissance. While even commercial UAVs have proven useful in theatres like the Syrian Civil War, more capable systems are recommended.

Light ground attack aircraft. Air power is still very useful, as few as one or two dozen is enough to make a significant difference in low intensity conflict. Often mentioned here is the Super Tucano, which is a perfectly good choice, though most modern jet trainers are also designed with ground attack in mind, and some (eg KAI T-50) can also use air to air missiles if needed.

Infantry and transport.
A good intelligence program is very important too.
I never understood why Iraq never tried to hit Americans where it hurts, in their own country.

>war is imminent
>move a couple hundreds agents to America through other countries using state issued fake passports and shit, bribing etc
>keep their families hostage In Iraq
>get them to do sabotage in America, blow up electrical facilities.
>vest bomb in the middle of Wall Street.
>maybe try and snipe the president or some important figures
>a good well planified killing spree done by a group of 8-10 trained agents, storm in daycares or hospitals or some shit.

Do it in a couple days and cause massive mayhem in murrica.
Before they can dismantle my operation so as much damage as possible full suicide.
Maybe leave a couple dormant agents for when things quiet down a bit they can perform the grand finale.

With shit budget? Highly trained,supplied and equipped grunts.

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>>32164164
Everyone in here is retarded.

OP specified third-world, ergo we're looking at South America, Africa, Continental SE Asia. Places with lots of bush.

>tanks
>transports
>infantry

top kek

1 brigade of airborne troops and you're solid op. Paratroopers will be the single most successful unit in the bush because they won't get bogged down like infantry, mechanized troops, or armor will. See the absolute success Rhodesia had with them and the African states that copycatted them later on.

/thread

It depends on terrain. With wide open plains or desert you need troop transport, transport aircraft and maybe light attack aircraft. If your enemy has fighter aircraft, attack aircraft or tanks then you need fighters and tanks.

>>32164440
Paratroopers are fucking infantry ya fucking dingus, good luck letting them self sustain for more than 72 hours.

OP, if small army focus on highly trained and equiped personel with support assets.

>>32164440

Rhodesia is one model, however their opponent was lightly equipped. If you look at different African wars, you see that some heavier equipment and greater numbers are needed if your opponent is more than guerillas with small arms, with more external support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chadian%E2%80%93Libyan_conflict

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean%E2%80%93Ethiopian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sudanese_Civil_War

>muh air power
>muh boots on the ground
If you have no money, you have no air power to speak off. Your infantry does you no good bombed to pieces along with your cities.
Therefore a sizeable AA capability is paramount.
After that, I agree with heavy and specialized infantry.

>>32164440
>The absolute success
>From the side that lost
lmao

>>32164164
High quality infantry and the capacity to train more of them after initial setup

That's what most of the more competent african countries do, either send troops to the first world for training provided by a professional army, get a western government to send trainers there, or simply hire westerners to setup a training system in country

After a while you'll have enough well trained and experienced people to setup a training facility to teach a larger number of more mediocre troops, to backup up your "elite" western trained soldiers

That and a logistical and transport system to support your infantry and some artillery

>>32164164
>what's the best priority?
bio warfare

>>32164387
idk

if they did something like that it seems like america would go "okay fuck you" and glass their country

>>32164164
mandatory Home guard. Have every able bodied adult male 16-55 trained in how to shoot & how to IED. Standard weapon would be AK74M (upgraded & with GP34). They attend for a few hours a week, a longer session every month & 2or 3 annual camps. Some units will be used as Port Security Units, Border Patrol, riot squads, gendarmes, infrastructure security. People who don't want military service get to wear neon green crocs,hot pink jumpsuits and a yellow sash while doing litter duty/cleaners.
MANPADs are your friend.
Small core of professionals mainly trainers & admin.

>>32164164
matching shirts.

>>32164812
Speaking of which, what would work best here for a militia/budget constrained military? Because air attacks seem to be almost wholly responsible for turning around the Syrian war, and although it hasn't unseated the Houthis, has done a fair bit of damage in Yemen. Seems that's the largest vulnerability when you're low on funding.

>>32164164
Dont know about the rest but AA (cheap or not) is a must desu.

>>32164278
3rd world bullet sponges have the life expectancy of a diabetic hamster to begin with.

>>32164220
The cartels have legions of mercs and armored vehicles stored in warehouses. I even heard something about how they bought old scuds from iraq

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>>32164164

Training, communication, and logistics.

Even if they running around with 30 year old BDUs and M16A1s, the discipline and driving M60 Pattons, the discipline and uniformity can compensate for the technological disadvantage.

t. Stormin' Norman admitting that if the US Army and Republican Guard had swapped equipment, he still would've kick their ass.

>>32164440
>1 brigade of airborne troops
lol I can see it now
>capital is under attack
>takes 30 minutes for troops to get geared up
>30 minutes to get the aircraft airborne
>they land outside the city
>By then the president is already dead and all the women are raped
>your country is now called Zimbabwe

strong guard intermixed with armor and quick maneuver teams. Airborne is only useful if you have a lot of land.

>>32164164
Well trained, motivated, infantry with light armor support, and helicopters.

Infantry weapons.
>AK-74
>RPK-74
>PKM
>RPG-7

Vehicles.
>BDRM
>ZSU-23
>T55
Splurge.
> Stinger.
Aircraft.
>UH-1.

>>32170996
Manpads.

even if they can't down enemy aircrarft, they could at least say "fuck you" to them and hold them off

>>32164164
What kind of third world budget are we talking about? Remember that technically Japan and Korea and the like are third world and they are thriving.

If you use 3rd world to mean absolute shithole country with no means of production and or no infrastructure, then we have something more tangible to work with.

The guys with the drug idea are on the right path. A country that produces nothing can tax nothing and can therefore spend nothing.

The first priority is developing some type of economic drive. Coca and marijuana and opium are big cash crops these days. Coffee and tea and sugar to a lesser extent.

YOU ARE NOT JUST GOING TO BE A BACKWARDS AGRARIAN SHITHOLE, you are going to be a SOCIALIST BACKWARDS AGRARIAN SHITHOLE.

You need the means of production to belong to the state otherwise your cash crops won't produce you the revenue to get anything resembling an army in this lifetime.

Cont.

>>32175912
Once you've got the money and labor centralized you're going to be able to start playing around with "security forces".

The most effective and viable concept here is to develop a secret police style Marshal service that is built from the ground up to protect your precious cash crops from point of growth into the customers hand.

These guys will be lightly armed and armored and more trained in security and VIP/convoy protection that infantry skills. They should also be plain clothes and unobtrusive as possible so that they can work as effias Intel gatherers as they can fighters. Bonus points here because it is from its very conception a guerilla force. Ideally you have 2 battalions here, one in active protection mode, patrolling your holdings etc, and another in passive Intel collecting, social engineering mode.

You'll also need some kind of conventional unit support. Let's be realistic and say your country is not that large. You're going to need air mobility capabilities to deliver 2-3 companies or maybe am oversized battalions worth of men and firepower to a problem quickly.

Cont.

Give power to /k/ so they can finally have a /k/ountry.

>>32164164
Intel,
Intel,
Intel.

After that you know what you need.

>>32175912
>Remember that technically Japan and Korea and the like are third world
. . .

No they're not.

Not even in the Cold War definition.

>>32164164
Depends on the situation, for instance, Brazil could do with better equipment but it's main focus should be on making tough infantry that can operate in both conventional and guerrilla warfare, primarily in jungle and urban settings.
The south has hills and flat terrain, and there are major cities which are basically sourrounded and filled with hills, it'd be hard to take over, and the midwest is nothing to scoff at in terms of rough terrain.
The only issue would be defending the huge coast.

>>32175959
Your priority of effort in building your standard line unit "qrf" is to develop helo dustoff capability and overwhelming small unit tactics and fire superiority. Large support/weapon sections with field deployable mortars, MGs, rockets etc protected by standard infantry squads and supported by your task force helicopters. They need the ability to overwhelm a fight quickly and efficiently and if that's not possible to evacuate quickly and safely, because you don't have to the money to be losing shit left and right.

Once you have the knots worked out of employment of your security forces and qrf you can start looking an armored/motorized. Priority here is APCs before tanks, tanks before artillery and heavy transport trucks before anything else for logistics sustainment.

>>32175973
That's exactly what they are

>>32176009

They were US allies, hosting significant US forces, and building their military to repel hostility from second world countries (most NK + PRC for SK, and Russia for Japan).

That is pretty first world.

>>32164387
look what happend after pearharbor, the morale impact would not be a meme, US military forces would both be enraged, busting out the fuel air bombs and AC-130s, and recruitment would skyrocket unbelievably

>>32164164
>a third world country budget
> priority?

Unyielding loyalty to you.

>>32175971
intel is important but you can't fight off enemy attacks using intel when your grunts are untrained

>>32176376
Yes, and with a proper intel you will know where exactly to invest in.

Para bellum.

>>32164177
Forest and urban ?

two nuclear submarines with nuclear tipped ballistic missiles.

>>32164164
For typical developing country things like insurgencies,etc, you get the most bang for you buck in having well-supplied infantry and light armor.

>>32175912
No they aren't nor were they ever in the Cold War. Both were explicitly US-aligned. Nor have they been "developing" countries (as 3rd world is incorrectly used in a post-Cold War world)

>>32164387
>let's commit grievous war crimes and turn the entire world against us
Look at the global response to 9/11 as your answer

>>32165724
Isn't this why Pakistan sends a lot of troops on UN peacekeeping missions? It seems like the experience of operating with Western forces would be invaluable to a country like theirs.

>>32170586
This, OP
Dont forget matching wristbands and bunk beds.

>>32175998
>gore economy
>build navy
>build coast guard and coastal defenses
There's the long term solution to your problem.

>>32164220
Except you forgot about all your already well established competition. They arent gonna be too keen on you sticking your hand in their cookie jar. They're either gonna want a sizable cut of your profit or your heads.

>>32176689
Pakistan pls leave

>>32165724
This, there is a reason South African PMCs were making money hand over fist after apartheid ended. Small African nations needed to train their troops to function in a capacity other than bullet hoses and sponges. Angola, still having a problem with UNITA? Hire some former members of the 32, whom you know from first hand do not fuck around, to work with your men in and out of combat.

>>32176822
second strike capable nuclear deterrence is the best value in military spending.

No matter how poorfag your country are, basic bootcamp is still necessary. The only thing that would make the difference between a professional army and some tribal militias are the training. So I'd spend the money on things like proper army base and barracks first, as well as things like food, water, sanitation and whatnot.

Some military bases in SEA (vietnam and cambodia for example) allocates a piece of land to grow crops to supplement their diets of rice, fish and canned food so I'd do that too, as well as installing solar panels on buildings

There's also the need for some kind of industry to support the military. At the very least, they need to have 3 factories
>textile factory to produce uniform,shoes and other clothing
>munition factory to produce ammunition as well as small arms
>food packaging factory

>>32176935
When everything is sorted, the first thing is to establish a division-sized nucleus for the army. It would still be soldier-centric, but with some network-centric elements added (things like radio, satcom as well as CMS for battle planning)

For the soldier, they would be given 3 pairs of uniforms, a pair of combat boots, 2 pair of PT shirt and pants as well as a sneakers. Working uniform is only given to Pogs.

As for the small arms, prolly either FMC or Galil, which would be produced in country. MGs like RPK and PKM would be also produced in country, while stuff like SMGs, HMGs, MGLs, DM/anti materiel rifles and handguns would be bought from outside (to reduce foreign exchange outflow), but the munition is still produced locally

>>32176899
>sacrificing literally every other aspect of your military just so you can build/lease a few subs you can never afford to maintain
>risking international backlash just for the sake of saying fuck your to your neighbors
We might lose our capital in the first 5 minutes of the war, but hey at least we have nukes!

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>>32177038
Heavy/crew-served weapon would be restricted to 3 types, mortar (both 60mm and 81mm), recoilless rifle and atgm. Rpg-7 and AT-4 are used as light anti tank weapon

Utility vehicles would be mostly either Hilux od Land cruiser 70 series, with China-made 3 ton and 5 ton truck (as well as semis) for heavy hauling tasks

For artillery, 105mm howitzer, 120mm mortar and 122mm grad MRL would be sufficient

For air defence, ZSUs and manpads are sufficient

For armor, prolly VAB and Ratel, which is equipped with 30mm gun variant as well as 90mm gun for direct support role

>>32177098
>>32176822
He may be right though

with nukes you have deterrence, a.k.a no war at all

Ethiopia has a pretty good mill considering it budget. They focus on training, good discipline and making most of their own version of slaves kit.

I think chad does pretty well too with much of the same idea.

Both countries have much more cohesive societies compared with other African nations though and take military competence seriously.

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>>32177122
For the air force, the main job is mainly transport and CAS. It is mostly a helicopter fleet with some light fixed wing aircraft in the inventory

fixed-wing; Cessna 172 (for ISR), MFI-17 (training as well as light attack) and C-212 aviocar (light transport)

Helicopter; Robinson R-22 (training), MBO-105 (for light attack role as well as transport), Mi-35 (attack helo) and Mi-17 (transport)

>>32177144
Chad is fucked, mate. The only reason why it is still exist is because of handout from France

Ethiopia, on the other hand, is a legit,self sustaining country. It is also one of the biggest manufacturing hub in Africa

>>32164164

Third world military power is a meme. Just disband the military and rely on police when needed. Like Costa Rica. Give the money back to the people and develop a prosperous and peaceful nation.

Or be another North Korea if you're a faggot with a small dick who needs to compensate.

>>32177133
Nukes are good, but only as a way to augment existing forces. Without the ability to reliably protect yourself, the threat of nuclear force is rather moot. Besides, you have to maintain considerable political leverage and a substantial economic base to even dream of a nuclear program. Most third world countries simply don't fit the bill.

>>32176899
So you're only response to any sort of security crisis is to escalate to nuclear weapons.

Even an idiot could beat such a poorly conceived defense policy

>>32177315
iran is a third world shithole that is getting curbstomped at every move by US n bros, yet they had nukes

why can't a third world country that no one cares about get nukes? it's just
>get the qualified people
>tell them to make you nukes and you'll give whatever them resources
>???
>profit

>>32177261
>Like Costa Rica
being in US protecive shield sure helped a lot about that

why need an army when you are protected by the fucking USA ?

>>32177342
>why can't third world shitholes have access to nuclear weapons
Because Angola doesn't have the cash for it. Seriously, how easy do you think it is to build nukes? You can't just go out and buy them off the shelf like cruise missiles. Your understanding international politics is extremely limited.

>>32177374
If by "build nukes" you mean "any nuclear device that can be detonated and achieve fission", it's pretty fucking easy to build one. And once you actually have your fissile material, the rest of it is dirt cheap (like, maybe $5000USD for the plastic explosives and the relatively simple electronics to detonate them).

The HARD PART is getting fissile material to start with. Shit's simply not sold on pretty much any market, refining it to usable levels is difficult and expensive, and you've got 3 superpower groups with their eyes and dicks everywhere making sure you don't.

But yeah, once you get good fissile material literally anybody with eighth grade reading comprehension could literally follow any number of (basically identical) detailed instructions available in the public domain on how to actually build the thing, and the actual construction falls within the budgetary constraints of even a Polynesian subsistence fisherman.

>>32177418
Sure nuclear devices are relatively inexpensive to build once you have the technology and infrastructure to do so, but getting to that stage of development is the hard part. Most third world countries have neither the economic base to support a domestic nuclear development program nor the international leverage to acquire the means to refine fissile material. India, Pakistan and Iran are the exceptions to the rule but not the rule itself.

>>32177342
Nuke what? They had nuke reactors but there's no telling that they had nuke warhead

>>32177903
Iran is a Paranuclear state.

they have everything they need to produce nuclear weapons. they just aren't known to have actual weapons on hand.

Japan is another paranuclear state.

>>32177342
>Yet they had nukes

Fuck of Flynn and Bolton

>>32177418
>it's pretty fucking easy to build one.
Thats not enough.
You have to build one you can credibly deliver.
Having 20 Fatman bombs and 12 B-29 wouldn't give you much credibility vs even a poorer counties AF

>>32177903
If the norks have nukes, then iran would have them as well

>>32164164
nukes

>>32178224
North korea is pretty much a pariah state, with only China and Russia as its significant trade partners (and even these two are reducing their economic assistance to NK to punish Kim jr), so they have nothing to lose anyway. If anything, those nukes could be used as bargaining chip for North korea to blackmail its neighbour to send them food, diesel and cash for Kimmy to spend

Iran, on the other hand, had significant trade relations not only with china and russia, but also countries like Germany, South Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Turkey, France and some other country in europe and south america(even the US, who buys heavy water from iran). All these would go to shit the moment they start enriching their uranium/plutonium stock to weapon grade. Afaik one of the deal is that they could only buy energy grade uranium from Russia