reloading thread

>>32162136
OP here, I'm particularly interested in any load data sources on 9mm, and any places you guys like to shop for bullets, be it FMJ or platted bullets.

and any tips for a first timer?
>videos I should watch
>little extra stuff you recommend
>ect.


I currently have a Lee 4 stage kit from amazon, and I have in the mail

>Lee 4 die 9mm set
>case reamer (I forget the actual name)
>media tumbler, walnut media, and sifter
>bullet puller
>electronic scale in grains
>cartridge gage

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Old setup.
have an ammomaster now

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i recently opened a cabelas CC to buy powder, primer, and bullets. get points/cash back for stuff i was going to buy anyway. i guess thats reload related.

>>32162580
geco brass?

>>32162718
cbc irrc

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>>32162136
All of your commonly used powder sites will have reloading information.

Hodgdon.com
Alliantpowder.com

Sierra and Lyman paper manuals are top notch.

In general, how many times can I reuse brass? In particular I am thinking 300 BLK and 762x51

>>32163449
1-100
Depends eniterly on your care, brass, rifle, and reloading procedures.

>>32162275
9mm what? Para? 9x18? 9mm Glisenti?

>>32163449
300blk has such a tiny little shoulder that they last much longer than something with a long, steep shoulder. I do not know how many times I've reloaded subsonic 300 but I lose the cases far before they wear out. That is without annealing, too. They also stretch very little. I don't even bother trying to trim them anymore. I just check a few from the batch I'm doing to make sure they are in spec, which they always are, and go. If I feed 100 to my trimmer I might possibly get a couple shavings off of one. It's nothing like trimming 5.56 or .308.
Neck sized 308 will last longer than full sized 308. If you are using a semi or multiple guns you can't just neck size. To make it last longer get an annealer.

Are those handheld hornady "press" things actually work?
I was looking at their single stage press and noticed it's a thing.

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Just about to get into reloading (303, 8mm, 308)
but can't decide on either the Lee breech lock or 4 stage turret press.
I figure if i have the breech lock rings for just about every die, it shouldn't be that much slower than having a 4 stage press right?

Also, seeing as i only shoot bolt guns (straya lol), would it be better to buy just the neck sizing dies for all the calibers?

>>32163449
Depends on the brass, how hot you load it, and the gun you fire it in. Pistol brass can last a very long time (decades), but fire it once into a glock and it's shit. Like >>32164047 said, 300 BLK brass doesn't get beat up as bad as a lot of rifle brass. I make my cases from lake city 5.56 brass and trim them to 1.360". They've held up well. Very few have grown beyond 1.362-3", even after several firings with supersonic loads. I anneal them by hand using a torch and hand drill. I also tend not to lose cases either. I'm a brass Nazi at the range and all my rifles have a brass catcher.

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>>32164485
>it shouldn't be that much slower than having a 4 stage press right?
so wrong. i regret not going auto indexing multistage right away. lot of wasted money and time.

If it ain't Dillon, its shit.

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>>32162275
tips:
if you reload intoxicated you can pinch your finger, which sucks on the priming die.

buy bullets in bulk. 1000 at a time or more. especially 9mm. 8c a bullet is a decent deal for 9mm FMJ.

get carbide dies for pistol calibers so you don't need case lube.

get a 9mm case gauge, the kind you stick the bullet into. use it on any bullets that seat hard or don't resize easily.

don't worry so much about getting powder super exact with 9mm. you'll never notice the difference between 5.3gr and 5.45gr with 9mm.

i buy 9mm bullets at scheels when they have bulk in stock otherwise usually midway.com when shit is on sale.

make sure to follow instructions when installing dies in your press. fucked up 200 rounds once because i had my bullet seater in too far.

>>32164896
Well shit ok then.
If i did run the 4 stage press, I was thinking of having the power quick trim adaptor setup for trimming brass on the press.
Is that a plausible setup whilst having a powder charger and 2 dies on the press too?

I really don't want to spend too much on shit like a case trim lathe, or some other such case prep device

>>32164996
yeah might get crowded but depending on what you shoot you probably wont be trimming every time. i trim most 223 every 5 or more for plinking ammo and every 2-3 for match ammo and there is a lot less trimming for other calibers i reload (270/9mm/300aac).
you can just use the quick trim thing by itself on the press if you need to.

>>32165022
Fair point. And i take it I'll be trimming even less if i just neck size the cases right?
I might just get one of the cutting tools with the right gauges and just attach it to a drill.
Watching some youtube vids on it, it seems pretty quick

>>32165031
>And i take it I'll be trimming even less if i just neck size the cases right?
not sure on that one.

I wouldn't spend too much on trimming and if you get something fancy make sure its a drill adapter or has a motor because turning a crank to trim hundreds of shells sucks ass. trust me.

>>32162136
Anybody have any load data for 77 grain SMK or even the Nosler 77grain?

>>32165254
I am going to assume you mean for .223/5.56

Try this link
http://stevespages.com/224_8_77.html

From what I can tell this guy compiled a bunch of reloading manuals. As with any load data from the internet, use extreme caution.

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>>32164485
Yeah, I only have neck sizers due to bolt only in Great Shitain. Actually I do have a .303 full lenght sizer but I've only ever used it to re-size some cases I had from a rifle that I'd sold so I could use them in another. Look into neck sizer sets, they come with a de-capper and neck sizer and a seating die. Pretty simple.

As for the press it depends on how you want to load. I couldn't be bothered to set up all that progressive press stuff, and I don't really have the space for a larger and more delicate press. I just reload slowly on a single stage, I measure each charge on beam scales (I've tried automated and manual throwers like the RCBS Uniflow and nothing has ever given me accurate powder measuring) so nothing about it is fast. I do all the case prep like de-cap and size, trimming, cleaning and priming separate to the loading process, so when I sit down to load I don't ever need to change dies because all I use is the seater and my power equipment. Also I don't get to shoot very often.

>>32162136
Want to get into reloading for semi-auto .308, and from what I hear, you should use a progressive press to keep consistent loads and churn out enough rounds to make it worth reloading.

Any opinions on this?

>>32166818
That's only really true for pistols.

A progressive press is nice for spam ammo you don't care about, if you want the best accuracy you're going to want to load on a single stage press.

It only took me ~300 rounds for the savings to pay for my setup.

>>32166862
I'm not looking for accuracy, just consistency. I want to try to tune the load to the rifle's gas system. Basically I do want spam ammo.

>>32166818
>>32166904
Consistency comes from getting the same amount of powder in the case each time. Being consistent will also help with accuracy.

Using a progressive press means relying on a powder measure and the consistency of a powder measure varies heavily depending on brand and powder used. It can be anywhere from cheap blasting tula level to factory match grade.

I still have a powder measure and use it in reloading. Normally I set it to drop 1 grain short of my load. Then I use a powder trickler to get my exact load.

>>32163953
oh fucking realy, you know i mean 9x19 you ass hat.

>>32164995
>if you reload intoxicated
youre all adults (presumably) do what you want, but i think this is a terrible idea.

>>32164995
thanks man.

>>32168640
im super serious about my science project, i like my fingers.

I have a decent bit of shotgun powder I was gifted from a well meaning relative can I load pistol ammo with it?

>>32169881
depends on the powder

>>32169989
Alliant Green dot, wonder if the large flakes will affect anything

reload for .450 Adams

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>>32164975
Goddam right. All these poorfags with swap meet single stages and cheap ass Lee set presses.

>>32170213
>enter namefag: he contributes nothing, insults others, and boasts of his possessions
Par for the course.

>>32170277
namefag posts pic of dillon 650.

>anon is angry.

Stay classy

>>32163953
don't be an autist, if someone's going to reload some obscure round they'll specify. you don't have to type out 5.56x45mm NATO everytime you are referencing 5.56 ammo

>>32170213
>he doesn't have an motor for it
what a poorfag

>>32170350
Why would I motorized it before getting a case and bullet feeder. At that point, I would get a Dillon 1050 if a motor were something I was considering.

Motors are more trouble than they're worth. I'm only loading like 12,000 9mm each year. There'd be no time savings with a motor.

>>32170213
>>32170350
>>32170370
What a fucking retard

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>>32165254
pic related

>>32166818
i use progressive for everything

>>32166862
depending on powder hornadys power dropper gets it within 0.1gr every time and you can see +/- 0.1gr with the "powder cop" die meaning you can decently accurate. good enough for pinking.
I load match ammo with my progressive press, I just take the auto powder drop off and measure with a scale and drop it into the powder funnel die that comes in Lee die sets. still saves a lot of time compared to using a single stage press. you can trim your cases on the press too with a specialty die.

>>32170203
Should you be loading smokeless for that? even for a short case that is kind of a minuscule amount that might lead to pressure spikes.

>>32170203
>Alliant Green dot can reload:

10 gauge

12 gauge

16 gauge

20 gauge

28 gauge

44 Rem. Magnum

45 Colt

45 Auto

maybe others but you probably won't find load data for anything else.

>>32170395
thanks for sharing nothing of value

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>>32170213
>>32170350
>>32170370
>>32170395
What the hell happened here??

>>32170395
I know, right?

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>>32170489
The joys of name fag. I get to sit back and watch you fuck up threads pretending to be me.

>>32162136
Does anyone know if citric acid like lemon shine is bad for brass? I've heard it can make it a bit more brittle but don't know by how much and it seems recommended

>>32166818
how about you learn the basics first

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>>32162136
>post setup
Hete you go, just sat down to do a few .35 remington

>>32163953
Dillon

>>32168640
>Mikel яuseL
5 yea old

>>32173314
That's a pretty big bullet behind the press, what is it?

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>>32173384
.577
Found it at the range, unfortunately don't own a firearm chambered in it (really wish I did)

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>>32173430
Size comparison

>12ga
>7.92x57
> 577
>9x19

>>32173444
Check'd and it's a shame so many Sniders were rebored to 12 gauge, also someone is probably missing that pretty bad, price per round is insane

>>32173488
Yeah, but fuck history for practicality right? Really sad.

It was in the parking lot so I saved it from a crushed death under a tire, feel bad for the shootr but not for keeping it.

>>32173488
Have never seen a 12 ga snider.
I have a suspicion that the barrel and action are too small to support such an endeavour.

>>32173533
They pop up for sale as 'Zulu' Sniders, I wouldn't pay more than 150 for one.

>>32173572
Those aren't Sniders.
The French also did a snider styled conversion of their rifles. The tabatiere rifle was rouglhy 18mm bore and easily converted to short 12 gauge shells and since these were mostly sodl in Africa became called Zulu shotguns.
Actual Snider rifles do not seem to have a large enough breech to support a 12 gauge conversion and the largest I have heard of them being converted to is 20 gauge.

>>32173585
Huh, I stand corrected. Assumed only the brits bothered with that.

Ordered a Lee Hand Press and dies for 7.5x55. What else does one need to safely get started reloading? I know I need at least a caliper and a scale.

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Just got set up to reload thanks to Cabelas black Friday sale and hillary/Bernouts who bet me Hillary would win.
My G20 is hungry.

How accurate are these rcbs combomasters? Seems fine so far with hs6.

Also fuck Cabelas for not allowing in store pick up of powder, you carry powder in store anyway, I'll wait til a shipment if I have to to not pay $30 hazmat fees

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I just saw about these interesting two part casings, they seem like a good idea, what do ye who actually reload think?

>>32173515
htf would you not notice dropping one of those?

>>32173644
$100 for dies bugs me, but they look slick.

>>32173685
It was 3°F out, likely in a hurry to get in the truck.

>>32173644
I fail to see how stainless steel is functionally less abrasive or any more self lubricating than brass. Might be neat, not going to spring for thier special snowflake dies until I see significant user testing.

>>32173745
They don't use stainless steel in their construction

>>32173644
I'm trying to convince my friend to go half and half on a set of dies. They're 85 bucks on Amazon.

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>>32173745
Agreed, also there is the inherent issues with steel not expanding.

They sure do look purdy though.

>On to .38 special
>My S&W in photo for kicks

>>32173814
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/11/shell-shock-technologies-9mm-nas3-cases-flawless-1000-round-torture-test/

Also >steel

>>32173644
>>32173868
are these too good to be true?

>>32173984
No idea. No one I know has really played with 'em. There's another video where a guy reloads a casing like 34 times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0QfK_Rpznk

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>>32173814
Herp derp

>bored
>Waiting for pistol primers
>decide to reload from shotgun primers
>deprime brass
>remove anvil
>pound out primer strike
>take shotgun primer
>drill out the flash hole
>take out the internal anvil
>scrape out the priming compound
>drop alcohol into the pistol primer
>pour compound until 1/2 full and then tamp it firmly with nail head (alcohol prevents it from blowing up from pressure)
>put it on top of tea kettle to evaporate faster
>reinsert anvil
>reload
>shoot hot glue round
It's actually really fun. Everyone should play with lead styphnate.

>>32174167
have to try that next time I'm making crystals

>>32174369
I'll make an infographic later, completely pointless but better than matchbook primers.

>>32174002
As nice as that is you can do the same with brass.
I have lost count of how many times some of my pistol brass has been loaded. Ejector strikes have pretty much peened out the headstamps on some.

>>32174412
Looking forward to it.

>>32172828
Not much more than normal sizing. Also makes it smell nice.

Miss the smell of powder residue, crushed walnut and lemons now my reloading stuff is at home and I'm in a dorm

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>>32176695
maybe shouldn't be working with loose powders and impact sensitive stuff while soughing and dizzy on cough syrup but whatever.

Fun stuff.

>>32170213
My first press was a lee classic turret.

I started making some extra cash by buying large $1,000+ estates of reloading gear and parting it out. One $1,100 lot ended up being worth over $7,500 once parted out. I fund my gun hobby this way, it has paid for all of my reloading gear, an extensive amount of components and a few nice($700-$1200) guns. I have bought over 15 presses in these lots and have mounted a few of them to see if I'd like them. I had a dillon 550 and 650 on my bench for a little while as I tried to like them. In the end, the lee turret is still the only press I keep on my bench. It is perfect for the amount I reload. about 10k rounds between 6 calibers.

I could have a top of the line dillon 1050 if I wanted but I prefer loading on a lee turret press.

>>32173606
Lol, Im sure it can be done but reloading 7.5x55 on a hand press is asking a lot from the press and yourself.

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>>32162136

>>32165071
Second.

>be like 6yr old
>dads reloading
>"hey anon, wanna have fun? Come crank this lever"
>3 hours later
>develop hatred for all things hand crank
>make sure dad gets electric trimmer for Christmas few years later

>>32179455
>"hey anon, wanna have fun? Come crank this lever"
This ended much less traumatizing than I thought.

Had a similar experience when I asked my dad if I could use a tape gun because it looked neat. 300 boxes later I no longer wanted to use the tape gun.

>>32173488
Ive got everything to reload except one of the most critical pieces. Once all my boxes came in i realized i dont have a table to mount everything too and keep my shit on.

I was planning on getting the following:

-9mm dies
-dies for .303 Brit
-dies for 7.62x54
-dies for .308
-lee pacesetter dies 6.5x55
-lee challenger breech lock kit
-also a turret press
-Lyman electronic calipers
-Hornady m2 case tumbler
-walnut lizard bedding (petsmart)
-neck die set -group A-popular rifle cartridges (6.5x55) , rcbs website
-lee auto bench prime (lee website)
-Lyman accu touch 2000 electronic powder scale
-Hornady can lock case trimmer kit
-Lyman case prep multi tool
-3 Frankford Arsenal perfect fit reloading tray (size #5)
-MTM flip top ammo box
-get more reloading manuals
-case lube

R8 h8 and db8 m8

>>32179758
get a (Frankford) seperator as well

you'll thank me after the first run-in with your tumbler

>>32179826
Ok archduke

>>32179444
I watched a few guys reload 7.62x52r and 30-06 so I'm not worried about that aspect. I'm just not sure what my next move should be.

>>32181107
Buy more guns that require more ammo.

>>32162275
I shoot Berrys 124gr TCs. Seems to flop on who's cheaper between Berrys direct or powder valley.

Dont bother cleaning primer pockets, doesnt affect accuracy or reliability and they can only get so dirty.

Be real careful about sorting brass, ESPECIALLY with Lee dies. Several companies produce berdan primed, brass cased 9mm, and those will usually break or bend your decapping pin. Which is kind of a bitch to replace on Lee dies.

What powder do you have in mind? I've had good results with Titegroup. Accurate, clean, economical due to low charge weights, well developed and widely verified published data.

>>32181193
You haven't moved to blue bullets?

>>32181193
Agreed on lee being a bother and a half, dang split pin is the dumbest thing I've seen in a while for s part that is most suspect able to breakage warming it up and putting in a drop of oil helps though.

>>32172828
Lemishine is fine.

Avoid anything with ammonia in it.

Sorry guys for being a total fag. You see... I just can't stop sucking cock. I suck so much cock that I built a shed just to be gay in. Seriously. I will invite to my place any day anywhere from 10-20 guys and just have a massive fucking mantrain and right afterwords slurp on their cock while getting a rimjob. For all these favors I get my nice reloading stuff.

Please send me pictures of your cocks. I crave them, all of them. Big and small, all colors shapes and sizes. I won't judge, only gently suckle the balls while I jerk you off.

>>32181207
I stil have probably 42,000 of the Berrys, they're accurate and cheap.

I will probably move to leatherheads when I shoot through them.

>>32170455
he shitposted his own post and forgot to remove his name

>>32162275
I got the challenger kit on midway not too long ago, and started cranking out various 9mm loads. So far I've had some mixed results. The most accurate I've found are the blue bullets but they jam up my glock to no end. Damn near every round fails to feed and I wind up having to force the slide to get it anywhere. Plated bullets work best imo. But that's just what I got so far.

>>32162136
any advice on 7.62x54r for svt?

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>>32162275
Hogdon has a decent amount of data on their website.

My USPSA production load is
-range brass
-124 gr speers JHPs
-3.8 gr vihtavuori n320
-CCI or winchester small pistol primers

makes minor power factor with ease. I use a Dillon 550b

>>32181132
Already did, I just want to be able to afford feeding my K31.

how do you properly set up sizing dies?
I heard you have to get one of those headspace gauges and adjust the dies so the shoulder is only .001 back from fired

>>32170213
>swap meet cheap ass

You're talking about the ammo you produce, right?

I load for accuracy, and the last thing I'm trying to do is churn out a bunch of garbage ammunition as fast as possible.

>>32181500
>Fudd detected.

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>>32181329

>>32181507
I think you've got that backward, chief.

>>32182066
Slow fire rifle shooter trying to hit a little target while rested a scoped gun on a bench.

>That shit screams gun culture 1.0 FUDD!

Whats some good books/websites to learn more about reloading and the science behind it?

>>32182202
YouTube
The NRA has a reloading course
American gunsmithing institute
Dillon had reloading materials.

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>>32181507
>>32182091

>>32182252
I bet you let the barrel cool down between shots too

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>>32174079
fug I hate when this happens... It happens if I get in the zone and let the primers get low in my pro1000...

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A humble setup, mostly going to load Lehigh defense stuff

Anybody have suggestions for a set up for doing .303 British?

Loads, press, die set, component manufacturers etc.

Have to start from scratch as my father used to let me use his press but I don't want to drive 3 hours just to load a few dozen rounds on the weekend.

>>32183281
Hand press, neck size dies, cheap balance scale and scoop, sack of dental elastics.

>>32174473
This.

I have .45acp brass that's older than I am. I have .32-20 brass (which is admittedly a low pressure, straight-wall round) that my family's been reloading for 5 generations now and some pieces are probably pushing 700 reloads. No idea who made it, headstamp is long gone.

>>32182299
>has a pro1000
>doesn't have a low primer/low powder alarm
Meanwhile I'm sitting here with a Hornady LnL AP, a fucking fiberglass stick, and a sharpie'd witness mark.

Never had this problem.

>>32181251
Yeah no shit. I think they do that so they can just replace the pin and not the whole die when you call them all pissed off. I've done it three times

>>32182299
>Pro2000

I'm guessing that's a Squire P-Bass then...

>>32162136
I'd love to, just spent the evening cranking out .223 on my Hornady progressive. Unfortunately I'm embarrassed of my shit basement with all the cobwebs and shitty graffiti from previous tenants

Only another 9 months or so if business keeps up and I'll be able to buy a house

>>32183628
Whoa that's cool as fuck

>>32183628
Pics of the ancient brass?

>>32185032
Yeah, pics. My family has some clocks and paintings and shit. You have some LIVING FUCKING ARTIFACTS

>>32173327
>>32170285
>>32168609
Isnt this a reloading thread? Anon is right. Sure, elsewhere you can savely assume but there are a lot more possibilitys when people talk about reloading. I for example reload 3 kinds of 7.5 mm: GP11, 7.5mm kurz and 7.5mm Revolver.

>>32164995
Tips for Op And this anon. Only make a small batch first with a new setup, and test em out before making 200

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>>32183661
You would have to actually pay attention to the slot to notice it though... The lee press feeds primers down this chute and relies on the weight of the vertical primers to push the next one in line onto the ram. If you get low enough, it won't push it all the way onto the ram and it can tilt sideways.
>>32183918
16 years later I still can't play for shit but it looks cool in my office.